Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/31/2015 10:31 -0400
That didn’t take long: following the worst Russian airplane disaster in history, the question everyone was asking is who is responsible. Moments ago we got the answer.
A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the group said in a statement circulated by supporters on Twitter.
Below is the statement from a group alleging to speak on behalf of Islamic State, posted on their affiliate site, translated by the Guardian’s Jahd Khalil. It offers no evidence that the group brought down the plane, apart from their word.
Breaking: Downing of Russian airplane, killing of more than 220 Russian crusaders on board.
Soldiers of the Caliphate were able to bring down a Russian plane above Sinai Province with at least 220 Russian crusaders aboard.
They were all killed, praise be to God. O Russians, you and your allies take note that you are not safe in Muslims lands or their skies.
The killing of dozens daily in Syria with bombs from your planes will bring woe to you. Just as you are killing others, you too will be killed, God willing.
The tweet in question:
#Egypt#ISIS Claim Responsibility for shot down the Russian Aircraft over Sinai #IS#ISIL
Many expressed their initial skepticism that ISIS is the responsible party:
UPDATE: Responding to IS claim, Russian Transport Ministry says it “can’t be considered true;” plane at 31k feet, outside MANPAD range, @BBC
#ISIS claim re. #Russia airliner — 3 possibilities: 1. False claim 2. Bomb on plane 3. ISIS [somehow] has advanced air defense missiles.
Even Russia’s transport minister Maksim Sokolov has said that the claim Islamic State militants brought down the plane “can’t be considered accurate”.
Now in various media there is assorted information that the Russian [plane]… was supposedly shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, fired by terrorists. This information can’t be considered accurate.
However, to corroborate their claim, ISIS has allegedly released this shocking video showing what appears to be a mid-air bomb explosion.
Viewer discretion advised.
Whether or not the video is real or staged like many of ISIS’ previous “made in Hollywood” productions, is currently unknown.
Of course, is the same ISIS which a recently leaked CIA report revealed as being created by the CIA as a “tool” to overthrow Syria’s Assad.
In other words, a proxy organization of US “shadow government destabilizing operations”, trained in U.S. ally Turkey, and openly funded by both U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, just took down a Russian plane.
The question now is did ISIS use a US-made surface-to-air missile to start what may be a very unpleasant war.
Also, does Russia get a carte blanche to begin attacks on ISIS in Egypt now, the same Egypt which recently “purchased” the two Mistral ships made by France, which were meant to be bought by Russia in a deal that was scrapped in the last minute due to NATO intervention?
One thing is clear: if the Russian population had any qualms about continuing the campaign in Syria, they were just eliminated in perpetuity.
We now await the Russian response, against both ISIS and its direct and indirect sponsors.
Hopefully Putin will not make the same military mistake Peter the great did after defeating Charles xii. My condolences to the friends and families of the victims. May God grant you comfort and peace that passes all understanding.
Downing a civilian passenger plane would be in keeping with Islamic nature.
They kill, enslave and ravage the innocent whenever and wherever they can, the more spectacularly the better in their eyes.
And it wouldn’t be a first time for them either.
So I doubt it is a “false flag”, it’s just too much a standard Islamic a thing.
BULLSHT!!!!!
1. It is WAAAAAY to early to speculate. GET THE DATA FIRST!! Not that that will stop anyone …
2. Who gives a flying fuck what ISIS says?? As if they tell the truth!! They’ll lay claim to it whether or not they actually did it. Never let a good crisis go to waste. It’s a sick fucking “culture” that desires to claim they killed hundreds of innocents … even if they didn’t. Fuck mooslims to hell.
3. You will NOT get the truth from CuNNt or Fux.
4. If you want truth about Russia, then go to one of these 3 sites;
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/live-updates-russian-airliner-crashes-egypt/ri10862
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/
http://sputniknews.com/
Does Russia have a free press? Answer is….Hell no, it’s many times over more corrupt than the Western World.
The already repressive press freedom environment in Russia declined even further with Vladimir Putin’s return to the presidency in 2012, as authorities relied on both crude and sophisticated forms of media management to distract the public from terrorist attacks, economic troubles, and antigovernment protests. The government maintained its grip on key television outlets and tightened controls over the internet during the year, and most state and privately owned mass media engaged in blatant propaganda that glorified the country’s national leaders and fostered an image of political pluralism—especially in the months ahead of Putin’s victory in the March presidential election
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2013/russia
“Does Russia have a free press? Answer is….Hell no, it’s many times over more corrupt than the Western World.” ——– Sensetti
Yet another thing you don’t know jack-shit about.
You no doubt googled something like “how free is the press in Russia”, and picked the first link you saw …. which in the example just given would be freedomhouse.
Too fucken bad for you that Freedom House — which you quoted above — is a U.S. based government funded NGO that has been seeing Commy Boogymen behind every door for 75 years. Idiot.
I think all that pumping iron you do is depriving your brain cell (singular) of much needed oxygen.
If those pictures are from the A321, the debris field indicates that the airplane hit the ground at a great rate of speed straight down. I flew these airplanes for 21/2 hrs and instructed on them for 10 more yrs. These airplanes simply don’t fall outta the sky. Something catastrophic happened: suicide by crew, mechanical failures, bomb, &CT. The DFDR and CVR will tell us what happened. The real question is: will the Russians/Egyptians tell the truth.
Stucky prove Russia has a free press then you might have some credibility. Russia is still a communist country
http://youtu.be/EWuoHiQwL8w
Stucky all those sugary carbs you eat are impairing your judgement. I’ve watched you deteriorating over the years and it’s very sad.
Those of you that read my previous comment from another article on this website. I TOLD YOU TO LOOK FOR THIS AND NOW IT HAS HAPPENED! Go to zero hedge website and read the comments for this article. You will find a comment that talks about all kinds of missiles flowing out of Libya since 2011. Some of these have been sold to other terrorist groups and many are still unsecured and whereabouts unknown. The US even had $40 million program to buy them back too. With everything that has been going on lately do you really believe they are going to tell us the truth. You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish but all I am doing is questioning KNOWN LIARS. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here. Some one is trying to start a war and doing a damn fine job of it too I might add. They shot down one of ours last year and now we shot down one of theirs. These planes can fly on one engine in a emergency so why didn’t this one? Unless you were there on the flight deck and battling the in flight emergency you have no way of knowing what really happened. I will do my own research and you should the same. Question everything!
Wow that’s a great idea for a Stucky article. Prove Russia has a free country and a free press! I can’t wait to read it!
Rocketship
It’s prolly da Joo’s
Russia is still a Commie country, eh? Next thing you will tell me is that the USA!USA!USA! is still a democracy. Sensetti’s Fantasy World.
I said nothing about Russia being a free country. You just add shit as you see fit. But, I will say this; Russia is much more free than the USA!USA!USA! Yes … I COULD write a damn fine article about that. But, why should I? Virtually everyone here on TBP already knows this. If I wrote it, it would be tantamount to one-on-one tutoring …. and I don’t do that.
I also said NOTHING about Russia having a free press. Once again, you add and make up shit as you go along. When you have nothing to say … lie!
What I DID do was mock your ridicules choice of quoting a USA!USA!USA! government paid NGO …. as if you’d get a lick of truth from that source. You missed that ….. how?, I have no fuckin’ idea since it was my only point.
“Does Russia have a free press? Answer is….Hell no, it’s many times over more corrupt than the Western World.” ——– Sensetti
You take one of the MOST CORRUPT and MANIPULATED (the MSM) businesses in the “free” world …… and then make the unsubstantiated claim that whatever goes on in Russia (of which you have no fucking clue) is MANY TIMES WORSE than that!!!
If you can’t see the absolute retardedness of that, then there is no hope for you. Stick to pumping iron.
@ Sensetti
I Think it would be more accurate to call Russia an oligarchy that has communist elements. But then so is Canada, the UK, France and so on and so forth. I mean – doesn’t anyone ever wonder how Putin (an ex KGB agent in East Germany and later a University employee) managed to amass a personal fortune of billions of dollars?
Think about it just a little for Pete’s sake.
The differences between Russia and the west are largely ones of simple degree. Their oligarchs are just a little better at being popular than ours. I suspect it is because they have a larger population of poor people willingly clamouring for kings and wishing for a return to Russia’s glorious past. Here the hope ‘y’ um only has a firm grasp on about 75% of the population (maybe more or less in some countries).
As for a free press…. one of the only places I can find that on the web (or elsewhere) anymore is TBP and a very small handful of others. Taki comes to mind.
Bottom line – the planet is corrupt and there’s nowhere to hide so start making your little corner better rather than arguing over whose oligarch looks the coolest in shades.
In Russia we call them oligarchs …. in Amerika, billionaires ….. same difference.
The animators at South Park could have made a better video
Stucky don’t embarrass yourself Putin’s a dictator. He’s an ex KGB thug who has absolutely taken over Russia and somehow in your twisted logic that’s a freer system than ours. You my friend are the one spouting baseless factoids.
Over the last 12 years, Putin has eliminated most elections, monopolized all major media and destroyed the political party system, leaving only the street for any opposition. And now even that is being taken away. Yes, I really mean to say that Putin is a dictator.May 21, 2012
Putin Really Is a Dictator – The New York Times
The New York Times › 2012/05/21 › put…
Sometimes planes just fucking crash.
Stucky says;
“4. If you want truth about Russia, then go to one of these 3 sites;
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/live-updates-russian-airliner-crashes-egypt/ri10862
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/
http://sputniknews.com/”
Better yet – spend some time there.
I know many who do on a very regular basis. Russia is a fucked up country morally and ethically. It will be generations before it recovers fully from what communism has done to it. We at least pay lip service to the rule of law here. Not so much in Putin land.
Stuckys Russia’s freer than the U.S. Laughable, absolutely laughable. Tell me this shits going on here.
Russia enacts ‘draconian’ law for bloggers and online media
Russian bloggers are bracing themselves for the moment when Russia’s new “information security law” comes into force on 1 August. Some already share advice on how to use proxy servers in order to access social media sites that, in their view, are under threat of being closed.
It is hard to see how the law will be enforced. The servers for most of the popular social media platforms that many Russians use are based outside Russia.
Many popular bloggers are already looking for, and apparently finding, ways to “cheat” the feature that counts page visits and keep their daily unique visitor numbers just under 3000, or to make sure that the statistics are hidden altogether.
Anton Nossik, who is considered Russia’s “internet guru”, wrote in his LiveJournal blog that the new law didn’t threaten individual bloggers directly, but provided legal grounds to block popular social networks like Facebook, Twitter, LiveJournal and Google.
“The issue of banning all these platforms in Russia is a political one and it will be decided by only one person”, Mr Nossik wrote, with a thinly veiled reference to President Vladimir Putin.
Critics blocked
Earlier in the year, Russia enacted a law that gave the government powers to block websites without explanation.
In March, Moscow blocked the blog of Mr Navalny, along with two news sites and a organisation run by Garry Kasparov – a vocal critic of the Russian government.
In a statement, Russia’s prosecutor general’s office said the blocks were imposed because of the sites’ role in helping stage illegal protests.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28583669
Game, set, and match. Stucky proved wrong again!!
Criticizing Putin in Russia will get your internet privileges revoked. That shit is absolutely not going on here, yet! To say Russians are better of than Americans in anyway is so fucked it borders on insanity.
Sensetti
You provide a handful of minor anecdotes …. and you use THAT to claim the USA!USA!USA! is moar free? We already have a village idiot so, stop trying so hard.
IF … I ever decided to do an Amerika vs Russia Freedom thread, I would absolutely eviscerate your pathetically measly arguments. I have that ability and skill. Everyone knows it. Be careful what you wish for …. cuz I don’t want to humiliate and embarrass you.
Is Sensetti on the sauce again?
Russia is bad. Russia is poor. Russia is evil. Russians have no freedoms.
You Russia Bashers are truly a bunch of fuknut neocon jackasses …. stuck in a never-ending Cold War era loop …. unable to escape your own Stupid.
Admin, Stuckys the one on Tequila tonight not I
Stucky calls Putins crack down on Internet users a minor anecdote. Are you fucking kidding me? If Obama pulled the exact same shit this blog would be no more and I’d have to start cursing basketball forums to find Stuckys ass to kick. Just sayin
It very obvious to readers one and all, I totally eviscerated Herr Stucky
My work here is done
Sensetti’s work here is done…I stand in awe.
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ISIS just claims they sunk the Titanic.
ISIS rooster claims they are responsible for dawn.
regardless EC.. http://themonticellonews.com/index1.htm
I have much respect for the Russian military and the ruthlessness with which it is used. However, they make the same mistake the western countries do concerning mohamedans. There are no good ones and there are none you can trust. There can only be peace with them after the Russians and the west play cowboys and Indians with them until they are very few and put on reservations. They need to be there in total poverty with no casinos.Hunt them all down and kill all who will not go to the reservation.
Why does the Russia conversation always have to be about either “Russia is awesome!!!’ or “Russia is Evil!!!”
How about a third option:
Russia is a nation state full of more or less innocent people trying to get by and survive and is run by criminal oligarchs that are really no better than our criminal oligarchs.
The people there suffer from the same problems the rest of us do. Their leadership is no better and if the truth be told the aftermath of communism has been hard on them. They have less than we do in terms of individual freedoms and wealth, their human rights record is a joke and their oligarchs seem more or less unconcerned with the plight of their own people above and beyond what they can get from them and all the while our oligarchs are busy trying to turn us into the same sad sorry state.
Hate to interrupt the narrative here guys but what we are experiencing is not a Russian enlightenment but rather a levelling of the degree of suffering for the average shlep world wide.
Russians, Americans, Canadians, Greeks, Germans etc – ALL of us are slaves on the new plantation. And its global. Putin is the the manager of plantation Eurasia. Obama is the the current manager of plantation North America (with skippy the wonder boy playing the role of Sheriff of the north) and so on and so forth.
For a “Libertarian Anarchist” web site there sure is a lot of “Russia” worship. Not sure how that can be given it is a large nation STATE with a dark history and at least as corrupt as the western STATES we are so fond of poking fun at. I guess contradicting our own values is something some of us here are pretty comfortable with.
Anyways – down arrow away you fucking state loving monkeys!
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Francis Marion That’s a very disparaging photo you posted of Stucky and Flash, you should be ashamed, Damn it boy!!!!
Russian space records:
Gennady Padalka, who has spent 879 days in space over 5 missions, became the man who spent the most time in space when he surpassed, on 28 June 2015, the record of Sergei Krikalev who spent 803 days, 9 hours and 39 minutes, or 2.2 years in space over the span of six spaceflights on Soyuz, the Space Shuttle, Mir, and the International Space Station.
The 10 longest human space flights are held by Russians
Most space walks: Anatoly Solovyev, 16 spacewalks for total of 77 hours, 41 minutes (which is also the duration record)
Most space walks during a single mission: Anatoly Solovyev, during the 24th Expedition on the Soviet/Russian space station Mir, in 1997-98.
Please tell me Sensetti how backwards Russia has become. FYI: Wilhelm Kaiser II sent Lenin to Russia…and you know the rest of the story. Russia did try to install parliamentary government similar to England’s but to various reasons it couldn’t survive.
8 million Russian people died during WWI, and they stood by France/England even though it’s soldiers didn’t have guns. The West should pay their respects for the sacrifices they made to try and stop Germany. So, please tell me again how bad the Russians are again.
Sensetti you have know nothing about Russia and it’s history so stop being a Dunning Kruger. You are nothing more than a useless idiot who spots out garbage as if you are some sort of god. Get off the computer and start reading some history!
Criticizing Putin in Russia will get your internet privileges
Ya well – I fucking HATE hypocrites.
I especially dislike apologists/cheer leaders for large public organized criminal enterprises. That includes the Russian government. Even if they are ‘cooler’ than our bunch of criminals it just ain’t right.
Anyways – as the sign says…
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Isis=CIA so it’s very possible this airliner was brought down with American-supplied weaponry. Right about now we need to sort out the “ISIS” bullshit and who is on whose side in the conflict.
Seems to me we don’t have a horse in the race, except to suck Arab dick in trying to get that pipeline built across Syria. Same basic reason as Afghanistan, but with extra Opium poppies.
English writes;
“Please tell me Sensetti how backwards Russia has become”
The whole planet is becoming ‘backwards’ you stupid ass hat. The point is – Russia is no exception.
Now get your lips off Putin’s ass fast before he tries to take a dump and you get some on your nose…
“Criticizing Putin in Russia will get your internet privileges revoked. That shit is absolutely not going on here, yet! To say Russians are better of than Americans in anyway is so fucked it borders on insanity.”
The NSA is more than willing to allow the ignorant masses to post their personal data on sites like Facebook for collection. Have you ever wondered why?
Sensetti must be an “older conservative man HOPING to get a flash of upskirt FOX girls…in their see through desks.” You “like them breasts & legs” while they spew their master’s propaganda and brainwash you. Just for you Sensetti: Dirty Laundry:
English writes;
“Sensetti must be an “older conservative man HOPING to get a flash of upskirt FOX girls…in their see through desks.” You “like them breasts & legs” while they spew their master’s propaganda and brainwash you. Just for you Sensetti: Dirty Laundry:
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Ok. First of all – your english sucks (mind you – it’s better than my Russian).
Second – this is the problem with posting on anything having to do with Russia. Now the Russian trolls are posting here too. Morons.
That’s what we get for bringing up the topic in the first place I guess.
Stucky – these are the guys you are defending. No better than our rat shit ass hole dirt bags in case you had’t noticed.
If I had a choice of kissing Putin’s ass or having Obama f#*k me in the ass, then I chose Putin.
“In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, for instance, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need these minorities. These minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of many minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities who come here are NOT Russians!”
President Putin, “America Don’t Give Up Your Guns”!
You won’t hear that from our Moslem leader. Just remember your comment as the invaders take over America and you have no way of protecting yourself. You’re becoming a minority and paying for the invaders to live here for free no thanks to our presidents and politicians.
If you want to prove what a badass you are, become a leader that will fight to restore our culture and Constitution. You are nothing more than a beta male who is jealous of Putin because he an alpha. What have you done to protect this country other than being an armchair warrior who has no discernment? I suggest you stop posting…you’re embarrassing yourself.
“Why does the Russia conversation always have to be about either “Russia is awesome!!!’ or “Russia is Evil!!!” How about a third option: Russia is a nation state full of more or less innocent people trying to get by and survive and is run by criminal oligarchs that are really no better than our criminal oligarchs.” ————- Francis Marion
Fuckin’ Hilarious!! YOU don’t even take your own advice!
“Russia is a fucked up country morally and ethically.” ————- Francis Marion
“However, they make the same mistake the western countries do concerning mohamedans.”
———- OTC
IF it turns out that ISIS is responsible for the downing of the airliner … I wouldn’t worry about Putin making any mistakes. I suspect the towel-head camel-fuckers will see a version of Hellfire they never even imagined.
Russia …….. earth’s last bastion of White People. Russia …. seeped in Christian (Orthodox) tradition. What’s not to like????
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Stick around, please!! You are a breath of fresh air amidst a pile of dung.
Homeland Security, TSA, NSA, CIA, FBI, Militarized Copfuks, EPA with machine guns, a billion rounds of ammo bought by various government agencies, 40,000 laws on the books that jail Americans, more American in prison than any other country, corrupt judges and DA’s throughout the land, criminal bankers who never see one day of jail, needing government permission to build a fucking shed in your back yard, felons who run for POTUS, and on and on and on ….
Yeah … AMURIKA IS FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stucky,
As much as I like you some times you are stuck in first gear and unable to wrap your mind around even the most elementary of concepts if they steer even remotely away from the narrative you have stuck in your monkey head.
Russia is NOT a nice/easy place to live if you are a citizen there. Think Detroit on a bad night. The political system is corrupt, it’s systems are corrupt and in many ways worse than here. That does not make it EVIL for fucks sakes. It makes it us in 20 to 40 years (or sooner). It also puts its citizens in the same boat as you and I.
Entire countries are not evil. The people that run them are.
We are not better – we simply have better optics and a different history. Look at it in terms of velocity – domestically the Russians are very good at getting to hell at hypersonic speeds. We tend to go there in Hyundai Pony. The destination is the same even if the route and speed varies. If you can’t get that through your thick old German squared head then that’s your problem. Keep on living the delusion that somewhere over the rainbow there is a pretend land of white people where everyone is gleefully happy and free.
BTW – Moscow just built one of the largest Mosk’s on the Eurasian continent.
https://www.rt.com/news/316327-moscow-mosque-largest-europe/
Pull your head out of your ass Stucky. There ain’t no refuge for guys like you or I anywhere on the planet anymore. You and I are dinosaurs and Putin isn’t coming to our rescue.
@ English
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Fuck buddy. How much do they pay you to write this shit? Moreover – do you actually believe it?
My wife is a first generation North American “Russian Mennonite”. If the rest of Russian women are anything like her and her mother then I’m not the only “Beta Male” in the room I’ll tell you that. 🙂
Putin get’s my respect for acting like a statesman and a male. Nothing more. He may be one of the only oligarchs globally that does. But if you believe he is any different in his heart than the rest of them then you can send me some of that wacky weed you are smoking. I’d like to give it a try.
Whether you are Russian or American (or otherwise) and you are a mere citizen you are nothing in the eyes of your leaders. We are ALL expendable by their standards. And when they decide they have had enough of us they’ll let us know. That includes you my Russian friend. You are a slave just like the rest of us. How are those chains sitting on you tonight?
by Karl Denninger
Quick Note On the Russian Plane Loss
ISIS is apparently taking credit for the downing but if the flight track is correct the aircraft suffered some sort of problem at altitude and was descending very rapidly before contact was lost.
ISIS and their pals are not known to have surface-to-air missiles other than the small, shoulder-fired variety. These do not have the range to hit a target at 30,000+ feet traveling at several hundred miles an hour; they are not big enough to carry enough fuel to get there.
They’re very deadly against low-flying aircraft (and helicopters!) but cannot hit an airliner at cruise altitude. To do that you need either another plane with a missile or a relatively large ground-based weapon (e.g. the BUC that took down the plane over the Ukraine.)
Unless someone comes up with evidence of these people having that sort of weapon I’m skeptical of any sort of “shoot down” scenario. The other possibility that would implicate terrorism, of course, is sabotage (e.g. a bomb on board) placed on board while the plane was on the ground.
Don’t jump to conclusions on this one folks.