Legendary US Army Commander Says Russia Would “Annihilate” US In Head-To-Head Battle

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Late in September, we brought you “US Readies Battle Plans For Baltic War With Russia” in which we described a series of thought experiments undertaken by The Pentagon in an effort to determine what the likely outcome would be should something go horribly “wrong” on the way to landing the US in a shooting war with Russia in the Balkans.

The results of those thought experiments were not encouraging. As a reminder, here’s how Foreign Policy summed up the exercises:

In June 2014, a month after he had left his force-planning job at the Pentagon, the Air Force asked David Ochmanek – deputy assistant secretary of defense for force development – for advice on Russia’s neighborhood ahead of Obama’s September visit to Tallinn, Estonia. At the same time, the Army had approached another of Ochmanek’s colleagues at Rand, and the two teamed up to run a thought exercise called a “table top,” a sort of war game between two teams: the red team (Russia) and the blue team (NATO). The scenario was similar to the one that played out in Crimea and eastern Ukraine: increasing Russian political pressure on Estonia and Latvia (two NATO countries that share borders with Russia and have sizable Russian-speaking minorities), followed by the appearance of provocateurs, demonstrations, and the seizure of government buildings. “Our question was: Would NATO be able to defend those countries?” Ochmanek recalls.

 

The results were dispiriting. Given the recent reductions in the defense budgets of NATO member countries and American pullback from the region, Ochmanek says the blue team was outnumbered 2-to-1 in terms of manpower, even if all the U.S. and NATO troops stationed in Europe were dispatched to the Baltics — including the 82nd Airborne, which is supposed to be ready to go on 24 hours’ notice and is based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

To be sure, the fact that this is even under consideration is somewhat surreal. Sure, no one took Hillary Clinton serioulsy when she presented Sergei Lavrov with the now infamous “reset” button (which actually didn’t say “reset” because thanks to a “typo” the prop said “peregruzka” which means “overcharged”), but with a Nobel Peace Price-winning President in The White House, no one expected things to deteriorate to the point that NATO was seriously contemplating a war with the Russians.

Nevertheless, Moscow’s intervention in Syria has the West concerned that for the first time in nearly thirty years, The Kremlin doesn’t fear a direct confrontation.

The problem for The Pentagon isn’t so much that the US has fallen behind in terms of spending money on expensive war toys (i.e. we don’t necessarily doubt that Washington has the best technology).Rather, the US seems to have fallen behind in terms of its ability to fight a conventional war against a formidable foe, presumably because there really haven’t been any formidable foes in decades.

Well now, it seems entirely possible that the US may have to fight a conventional war against the Russians (and possibly the Iraninans) and that means you can no longer depend on the fact that on a warrior-for-warrior basis, a handful of SEAL Team Six members can pull off battlefield miracles, because no matter how elite your spec ops are, you can’t pit twelve guys against four thousand and expect them to win.

It’s with all of this in mind that Washington is beginning to assess whether the US could hold its ground against Russia in a conventional standoff. According to retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor, American forces would get “annihilated.” Here’s more, via Politico:

For those villagers eagerly snapping pictures on the side of a road in the Czech Republic in late September, the appearance of the line of U.S. “Stryker” armored fighting vehicles must have seemed more like a parade than a large-scale military operation. The movement of some 500-plus soldiers of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment from Vilsack in Bavaria to a Hungarian military base was intended to strengthen U.S. ties with the Czech, Slovak and Hungarian militaries and put Russia’s Vladimir Putin on notice. 

 

But not everyone is convinced. “This Stryker parade won’t fool anyone in Moscow,” says retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor. “The Russians don’t do many things well, but they have been subverting, destabilizing, invading and conquering their neighbors since Peter the Great. And what’s our response: a small unit of light armored trucks.”

 

 Viewed by many of his colleagues as one of the most innovative Army officers of his generation, Macgregor, a West Point graduate with a Ph.D. in international relations (“he can be pretty gruff,” a fellow West Point graduate says, “but he’s brilliant”), led the 2nd Cav’s “Cougar Squadron” in the best-known battle of Operation Desert Storm in February 1991. In 23 minutes, Macgregor’s force destroyed an entire Iraqi Armored Brigade (including nearly 70 Iraqi armored vehicles), while suffering a single American casualty. Speaking at a military “lessons learned” conference one year later, Air Force General Jack Welsh described the Battle of 73 Easting (named for a map coordinate) as “a stunning, overwhelming victory.”

 

In the wake of the battle, however, Macgregor calculated that if his unit had fought a highly trained and better armed enemy, like the Russians, the outcome would have been different.

 

 In early September he circulated a PowerPoint presentation showing that in a head-to-head confrontation pitting the equivalent of a U.S. armored division against a likely Russian adversary, the U.S. division would be defeated.

 

“Defeated isn’t the right word,” Macgregor told me last week. “The right word is annihilated.” The 21-slide presentation features four battle scenarios, all of them against a Russian adversary in the Baltics — what one currently serving war planner on the Joint Chiefs staff calls “the most likely warfighting scenario we will face outside of the Middle East.”

 

“Macgregor scares the hell out of the Army,” says a senior Joint Chiefs war planner. “What he has proposed is nothing less than the dismantling of the Big Green Machine, getting the Army to embrace a future of lighter, more agile forces than the big lumbering behemoth which takes forever to spool up and deploy. I’ll bet the armor and airborne guys are furious. Reform my ass: Macgregor has walked into the zoo and slapped the gorilla.”

Yeah well, the US has already “walked into the zoo” and slapped the Russian grizzly bear. It sounds to us like Macregror may have a battle plan that actually isn’t a joke, which means it will be promptly dismissed by The Pentagon.

After all, it’s all about covert ops these days. And that’s working so well for Washington in the Mid-East. Why fix something that isn’t broken right?…

Read the full Politico story here

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ragman
ragman
November 8, 2015 9:37 am

Obongo’s Pentagon has been forcibly retiring senior officers that disagree wif the official party line. Whats left are a bunch of yes men/women that wouldn’t say “shit” if they had a mouthful. I wonder how many Russian troopers have been forced to wear “pregnancy simulators” or parade around in red women’s shoes. Just the other day, someone posted a picture of four attractive women that are the Ministers of Defense of their respective countries. Included was a picture of the Russian MOD who looked like he would rip off the head of a Pitbull on steroids. Cultural Marxism is ruining the country and apparently it has already had a very bad effect on our military.

Lysander
Lysander
November 8, 2015 12:23 pm

The Pentagon Perfumed Princes are afraid of their own shadow. Despite all their big talk, despite the fact that their budget is more than every other nation on Earth put together, and despite all the fancy high-tech toys, they know deep down the real world ramifications of their fraud and self-serving deceit which has led to the erroneous idea that ‘Murika! can kick everyone’s ass. We can’t even defeat a bearded guy with a rifle in a cave.

All the Pentagon does is dream up more and more expensive weapon systems that sound $exy to Congress and are insanely profitable to the defense industry. The F-35 disaster with wings is a case in point. The generals don’t care if a weapon actually works, they want high maintenance, very expensive crap so that their buddies and future employers in the defense industry will make billions off of it. Another case in point; the Bradley Armored Fighting Vehicle, a rolling POS death trap, which is almost as bad as the Striker AFV, an aluminum (!) armored personal carrier with wheels that has no defense against the basic RPG-7.

Don’t get me started on the biggest POS ever foisted on an American infantryman, the M-16 and it’s nephew the M-4, a 50 year old turd floating in the punch bowl of combat reality. They can spend $5 Billion on a Aircraft Carrier, but the grunts are still saddled with this junk because there’s little profit to be made in a new rifle.

In the event of a real shooting war with the Russians and/or the Chinese, these fancy dressed costume clowns with stars on their shoulders and undeserved ribbons on the puny chests, would shit their pants at the first reports of massive casualties and catastrophic losses in aircraft, ships, and armored vehicles. This will show what lying liars they are and have been.

All their computer simulations and think-tank planning to fight the Imperial Japanese Navy and the Wehrmacht all over again will show immediately what a traitorous waste of money and assets the past 70 years of defense spending have been.

Just think what all that money could have done for us. Trillions of dollars. Think about where we are today VS where we could have been. What a disgrace. And what a tragedy if ‘Murika! goes toe to toe with a real enemy.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
November 8, 2015 1:20 pm

Greetings,

To paraphrase Napoleon, you shouldn’t not fight the same enemy too often or you teach him your art of war. (sorry if I botched it up too much)

The US has been parading its military hardware around for all to see non stop since 1941. At this point in time, anyone that wishes to fight us knows exactly what we will do, how we will do it, our weapons and the way our weapons perform. They know, to use a military term, our Order of Battle.

This is all well and good if you are fighting, say, peasants living in the jungle or a tiny nation like Iraq. You may not be able to defeat the peasants but at least they can’t carpet bomb your cities. This will not work out so well when paired against two superpowers who already know your every move and have thought of a dozen different ways to counter it.

rhs jr
rhs jr
November 8, 2015 2:41 pm

As an Officer, we used to say shit rolls down hill (ie, and lands on the lowest Officer or Enlisted Man’s head). Under Obama, it has become a landslide on all of us taxpayers and patriots. Given all his affirmative action spoils system’s firings and new appointments, digging out before he starts the next big war is now impossible. That also applies to his race relations policies, his finance, governance and trust in government and the MSM, law and order, education, infrastructure, immigration and borders, spying, manufacturing, mining, drugs and morals, entertainment, agriculture, wholesale retail, religion, energy and science and our National Unity. We have gone beyond SNAFU to FUBAR and the economic and social collapse is hanging over America like Damocles Sword while Obama is banging on the war drums as hard as he can (re Nero fiddling). Wait until all the Fuhrer’s stabilizing Executive Orders go Hot!

Billy
Billy
November 9, 2015 12:18 pm

Mac is the Genuine Article.

Intelligent. Educated. Experienced. Outspoken. Leads by example.

Which is why he inspires troops and succeeds. The average grunt might not know the formal, book-lernin’ definition of “leadership” – but they recognize the genuine article when they see it. Grunts follow courage, not uniforms or rank or any of that shit…

Which is precisely why “them” in the Pentagram won’t listen to him.

I’d follow this guy.

Billy
Billy
November 9, 2015 12:32 pm

Another case in point; the Bradley Armored Fighting Vehicle, a rolling POS death trap, which is almost as bad as the Striker AFV, an aluminum (!) armored personal carrier with wheels that has no defense against the basic RPG-7. – Lysander

Do not underestimate the average Grunt…

HUMMV not armored? Fuck it – pile sandbags on it until it’s groaning under the weight. Hit the dump and salvage steel plates and weld that shit on.

Your POS doesn’t have the ability to withstand a hit from a creaky old RPG-7? Weld on big hunks of chain link fence to detonate it before it hits – you might clean off his antennas and partially deafen everyone inside, but that shit is still rolling, Haji…

Our technology is formidable. And it will do us fine…

Until we run out. There’s only so many missiles, so much expensive cool-guy shit in inventory… and when that shit runs out, it’s gonna be run what you brung time…

The over-reliance on technology will come around to bite us in the ass… the Army and the Marines are still fighting 2G warfare. “Here’s the line. We have to push it that way.” Oh sure, the Marines have “formally adopted” maneuver warfare, but they’re still fighting 2G style…

Prediction: We’re gonna get into a scrap with a well trained, determined enemy. And we will get our asses handed to us. We’ll bumble-fuck around, getting people killed, until we figure out what we’re doing. Then we’ll do okay.

Same as always. Just a damn shame guys have to get killed while we’re busy pulling our heads out of our 4th point of contact…

Arizona
Arizona
November 9, 2015 1:04 pm

AMERICA,your not only going to LOSE this WAR,but you’ll have everything you OWN taken from you,and then your police gangs will take you to a FEMA DEATH CAMP,remember who’s side their on,and it ain’t yours,THEY ALL WORK FOR SATAN,the only good news is when the russians are done with the braindead filth,their going to be shot in the head,I know,I had a RUSSIAN ARMY CAPTAIN TELL ME SO……..AT WALMART.hahaha,kiss your ass goodby piggy’s,you got to drunk on power,NOW YOUR TICKET TO HELL will be punched by the RUSSIANS…and GOOD riddence……

notquitesober
notquitesober
November 9, 2015 5:53 pm

Rocky was used to beating 3rd rate non-contenders until Creed beat the shit out of him. He finished the fight but lost on points. Came back and beat Creed on a decision. Got lazy again and Clubber Lang humiliated him.
Use your imagination. U.S. probably won`t get a rematch. This ain`t a feel good story of tragedy and hope. There`s already been an army slipped in the backdoor and the prez is giving the reinforcements amnesty from the federal pens.
Use your imagination.

Phil from Oz
Phil from Oz
November 9, 2015 8:45 pm

Billy – The Russians and / or Chinese will not give you TIME to “figure it out”.

You will have plenty of opportunity to learn first-hand how UN-exceptional the average US Serviceman / woman is, when pitted against real, first-World, troops.

Billy
Billy
November 9, 2015 9:47 pm

Phil,

I’m not worried about the Chinese so much as the Russians.

The Chinese don’t have enough rowboats to invade Taiwan, and most of their troops are conscripts. Conscripted troops – most times – only do enough work to avoid getting in trouble. They’re hardly “hard chargers” or any kind of motivated.

If motivation comes, it’s usually at the wrong end of the pistol being pointed at them by the political officer…

The Russians, on the other hand… There’s more truth in what you say than not.

However, vestigial allegiance compels me to disagree, even if I have lingering doubts at heart…

There are a few places where the rot hasn’t taken effect. Emphasis on “few”…. which is exactly the wrong thing when it comes to dealing with the Chinks or the Russians…