How to Recognize a Narcissist

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Almost everyone has some narcissistic traits, but being conceited, argumentative, or selfish sometimes (or even all the time) doesn’t amount to a personality disorder. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a long-term pattern of abnormal thinking, feeling, and behavior in many different situations. The traits on this page will seem peculiar or disturbing when someone acts this way — i.e., you will know that something is not right, and contact with narcissists may make you feel bad about yourself. It’s not unusual for narcissists to be outstanding in their field of work. But these are the successful people who have a history of alienating colleagues, co-workers, employees, students, clients, and customers — people go away mad or sad after close contact with narcissists.

How many narcissists does it take to change a light bulb?

(a) Just one — but he has to wait for the whole world to revolve around him.
(b) None at all — he hires menials for work that’s beneath him.

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This is a compilation of observations I’ve made from various people known well for many years. Most of these traits apply to all of the narcissists I’ve known, but that doesn’t mean that they’ll all apply to the narcissists you know. My narcissists are all high-functioning — that is, they’ve maintained gainful employment, marriages and family life — and there may certainly be narcissistic traits that I haven’t observed among the narcissists I’ve known. You can go directly to my full commentary on narcissists’ traits or you can select what you’re most interested in from the pink box below. Narcissicism is a personality disorder and that means that narcissists’ personalities aren’t organized in a way that makes sense to most people, so the notes below do not necessarily go in the order I’ve listed them or in any order at all. Interaction with narcissists is confusing, even bewildering — their reasons for what they do are not the same as normal reasons. In fact, treating them like normal people (e.g., appealing to their better nature, as in “Please have a heart,” or giving them the chance to apologize and make amends) will make matters worse with a narcissist.

[For general discussion of cognition, affectivity, interpersonal functioning, and impulse control in personality disorders and NPD. It’s also interesting to compare these traits below with characteristics of normal six-year-olds.]amoral/conscienceless
authoritarian
care only about appearances
contemptuous
critical of others
cruel
disappointing gift-givers
don’t recognize own feelings
envious and competitive
feel entitled
flirtatious or seductive
grandiose
hard to have a good time with
hate to live alone
hyper-sensitive to criticism
impulsive
lack sense of humor
naive
passive
pessimistic
religious
secretive
self-contradictory
stingy
strange work habits
unusual eating habits
weird sense of time
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The most telling thing that narcissists do is contradict themselves. They will do this virtually in the same sentence, without even stopping to take a breath. It can be trivial (e.g., about what they want for lunch) or it can be serious (e.g., about whether or not they love you). When you ask them which one they mean, they’ll deny ever saying the first one, though it may literally have been only seconds since they said it — really, how could you think they’d ever have said that? You need to have your head examined! They will contradict FACTS. They will lie to you about things that you did together. They will misquote you to yourself. If you disagree with them, they’ll say you’re lying, making stuff up, or are crazy. [At this point, if you’re like me, you sort of panic and want to talk to anyone who will listen about what is going on: this is a healthy reaction; it’s a reality check (“who’s the crazy one here?”); that you’re confused by the narcissist’s contrariness, that you turn to another person to help you keep your bearings, that you know something is seriously wrong and worry that it might be you are all signs that you are not a narcissist].

NOTE: Normal people can behave irrationally under emotional stress — be confused, deny things they know, get sort of paranoid, want to be babied when they’re in pain. But normal people recover pretty much within an hour or two or a day or two, and, with normal people, your expressions of love and concern for their welfare will be taken to heart. They will be stabilized by your emotional and moral support. Not so with narcissists — the surest way I know of to get a crushing blow to your heart is to tell a narcissist you love her or him. They will respond with a nasty power move, such as telling you to do things entirely their way or else be banished from them forever.

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If you’re like me, you get into disputes with narcissists over their casual dishonesty and cruelty to other people. Trying to reform narcissists by reasoning with them or by appealing to their better nature is about as effective as spitting in the ocean. What you see is what you get: they have no better nature. The fundamental problem here is that narcissists lack empathy.

Lacking empathy is a profound disturbance to the narcissist’s thinking (cognition) and feeling (affectivity). Even when very intelligent, narcissists can’t reason well. One I’ve worked with closely does something I characterize as “analysis by eggbeater.” They don’t understand the meaning of what people say and they don’t grasp the meaning of the written word either — because so much of the meaning of anything we say depends on context and affect, narcissists (lacking empathy and thus lacking both context and affect) hear only the words. (Discussions with narcissists can be really weird and disconcerting; they seem to think that using some of the same words means that they are following a line of conversation or reasoning.

Thus, they will go off on tangents and irrelevancies, apparently in the blithe delusion that they understand what others are talking about.) And, frankly, they don’t hear all the words, either. They can pay attention only to stuff that has them in it. This is not merely a bad habit — it’s a cognitive deficiency. Narcissists pay attention only to themselves and stuff that affects them personally. However, since they don’t know what other people are doing, narcissists can’t judge what will affect them personally and seem never to learn that when they cause trouble they will get trouble back. They won’t take other people’s feelings into consideration and so they overlook the fact that other people will react with feeling when abused or exploited and that most people get really pissed off by being lied to or lied about.

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Narcissists lack a mature conscience and seem to be restrained only by fear of being punished or of damaging their reputations — though, again, this can be obscure to casual observation if you don’t know what they think their reputations are, and what they believe others think of them may be way out of touch with reality [see remarks on John Cheever elsewhere on this page]. Their moral intelligence is about at the level of a bright five- or six-year-old; the only rules they recognize are things that have been specifically required, permitted, prohibited, or disapproved of by authority figures they know personally. Anyhow, narcissists can’t be counted on not to do something just because it’s wrong, illegal, or will hurt someone, as long as they think that they can get away with it or that you can’t stop them or punish them (i.e., they don’t care what you think unless they’re afraid of you).

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Narcissists are envious and competitive in ways that are hard to understand. For instance, one I knew once became incensed over an article published in a national magazine — not for its content exactly, but because she could have written something just as good. Maybe she could have — she hadn’t, but that little lapse on her part was beside the point to her. They are constantly comparing themselves (and whatever they feel belongs to them, such as their children and furniture) to other people. Narcissists feel that, unless they are better than anyone else, they are worse than everybody in the whole world. ________________________________________
Narcissists are generally contemptuous of others. This seems to spring, at base, from their general lack of empathy, and it comes out as (at best) a dismissive attitude towards other people’s feelings, wishes, needs, concerns, standards, property, work, etc. It is also connected to their overall negative outlook on life.
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Narcissists are (a) extremely sensitive to personal criticism and (b) extremely critical of other people. They think that they must be seen as perfect or superior or infallible, next to god-like (if not actually divine, then sitting on the right hand of God) — or else they are worthless. There’s no middle ground of ordinary normal humanity for narcissists. They can’t tolerate the least disagreement. In fact, if you say, “Please don’t do that again — it hurts,” narcissists will turn around and do it again harder to prove that they were right the first time; their reasoning seems to be something like “I am a good person and can do no wrong; therefore, I didn’t hurt you and you are lying about it now…” — sorry, folks, I get lost after that. Anyhow, narcissists are habitually cruel in little ways, as well as big ones, because they’re paying attention to their fantasy and not to you, but the bruises on you are REAL, not in your imagination.

Thus, no matter how gently you suggest that they might do better to change their ways or get some help, they will react in one of two equally horrible ways: they will attack or they will withdraw. Be wary of wandering into this dragon’s cave — narcissists will say ANYTHING, they will trash anyone in their own self-justification, and then they will expect the immediate restoration of the status quo. They will attack you (sometimes physically) and spew a load of bile, insult, abuse, contempt, threats, etc., and then — well, it’s kind of like they had indigestion and the vicious tirade worked like a burp: “There. Now I feel better.

Where were we?” They feel better, so they expect you to feel better, too. They will say you are nothing, worthless, and turn around immediately and say that they love you. When you object to this kind of treatment, they will say, “You just have to accept me the way I am. (God made me this way, so God loves me even if you are too stupid to understand how special I am.)” Accepting them as they are (and staying away from them entirely) is excellent advice. The other “punishment” narcissists mete out is banishing you from their glorious presence — this can turn into a farce, since by this point you are probably praying to be rescued, “Dear God! How do I get out of this?”

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The narcissist expects that you will be devastated by the withdrawal of her/his divine attention, so that after a while — a few weeks or months (i.e., the next time the narcissist needs to use you for something) — the narcissist will expect you to have learned your lesson and be eager to return to the fold. If you have learned your lesson, you won’t answer that call. They can’t see that they have a problem; it’s always somebody else who has the problem and needs to change. Therapies work at all only when the individual wants to change and, though narcissists hate their real selves, they don’t want to change — they want the world to change.

And they criticize, gripe, and complain about almost everything and almost everyone almost all the time. There are usually a favored few whom narcissists regard as absolutely above reproach, even for egregious misconduct or actual crime, and about whom they won’t brook the slightest criticism. These are people the narcissists are terrified of, though they’ll tell you that what they feel is love and respect; apparently they don’t know the difference between fear and love. Narcissists just get worse and worse as they grow older; their parents and other authority figures that they’ve feared die off, and there’s less and less outside influence to keep them in check.

Narcissists are hostile and ferocious in reaction, but they are generally passive and lacking in initiative. They don’t start stuff — they don’t reach out. Remember this when they turn and rend you! They will complain about the same things for years on end, but only rarely do anything to change what dissatisfies them so badly.

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Narcissists are naive and vulnerable, pathetic really, no matter how arrogant and forceful their words or demeanor. They have pretty good reasons for their paranoia and cynicism, their sneakiness, evasiveness, prevarications. This is the one I get suckered on. They are so out of touch with other people and what goes on around them that they are very susceptible to exploitation. On the other hand, they’re so inattentive, and so disconnected from what other people are up to, that they don’t recognize when someone is taking advantage of them.
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Narcissists are grandiose. They live in an artificial self invented from fantasies of absolute or perfect power, genius, beauty, etc. Normal people’s fantasies of themselves, their wishful thinking, take the form of stories — these stories often come from movies or TV, or from things they’ve read or that were read to them as children. They involve a plot, heroic activity or great accomplishments or adventure: normal people see themselves in action, however preposterous or even impossible that action may be — they see themselves doing things that earn them honor, glory, love, riches, fame, and they see these fantasy selves as personal potentials, however tenuous, something they’d do if they didn’t have to go to school or go to work, if they had the time and the money.

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As Freud said of narcissists, these people act like they’re in love with themselves. And they are in love with an ideal image of themselves — or they want you to be in love with their pretend self, it’s hard to tell just what’s going on. Like anyone in love, their attention and energy are drawn to the beloved and away from everyday practicalities. Narcissists’ fantasies are static — they’ve fallen in love with an image in a mirror or, more accurately, in a pool of water, so that movement causes the image to dissolve into ripples; to see the adored reflection they must remain perfectly still. Narcissists’ fantasies are tableaux or scenes, stage sets; narcissists are hung up on a particular picture that they think reflects their true selves (as opposed to the real self — warts and all).

Narcissists don’t see themselves doing anything except being adored, and they don’t see anyone else doing anything except adoring them. Moreover, they don’t see these images as potentials that they may some day be able to live out, if they get lucky or everything goes right: they see these pictures as the real way they want to be seen right now (which is not the same as saying they think these pictures are the way they really are right now, but that is another story to be discussed elsewhere). Sometimes narcissistic fantasies are spectacularly grandiose — imagining themselves as Jesus or a saint or hero or deity depicted in art — but just as often the fantasies of narcissists are mediocre and vulgar, concocted from illustrations in popular magazines, sensational novels, comic books even. These artificial self fantasies are also static in time, going back unchanged to early adolescence or even to childhood; the narcissists’ self-images don’t change with time, so that you will find, for instance, female narcissists clinging to retro styles, still living the picture of the perfect woman of 1945 or 1965 as depicted in The Ladies’ Home Journal or Seventeen or Vogue of that era, and male narcissists still hung up on images of comic-book or ripping adventure heroes from their youth. Though narcissists like pictures rather than stories, they like still pictures, not moving ones, so they don’t base their fantasies on movies or TV.

Grandiosity can take various forms — a narcissistic woman may believe herself to be the very model of perfect womanhood, the standard by which all others are measured, and she will try to force her daughters to be just like her, she will not be able to cope with daughters who are taller or shorter than she is, fatter or thinner, who have bigger or smaller feet, breasts, teeth, who have different favorite colors than hers, etc. Narcissistic men can be infatuated with their own looks, too, (witness John Cheever, for instance; Almost Perfect) but are more likely than women to get hung up on their intelligence or the importance of their work — doesn’t matter what the work is, if he’s doing it, by definition it’s more important than anything you could possibly do.

Narcissists I’ve known also have odd religious ideas, in particular believing that they are God’s special favorites somehow; God loves them, so they are exempted from ordinary rules and obligations: God loves them and wants them to be the way they are, so they can do anything they feel like — though, note, the narcissist’s God has much harsher rules for everyone else, including you. [Many readers have questions about narcissism and religion. [T]here is an interesting article on the Web: “Narcissism Goes to Church: Encountering Evangelical Worship” by Monte Wilson. “Modern American Christianity is filled with the spirit of narcissism. We are in love with ourselves and evaluate churches, ministers and truth-claims based upon how they make us feel about ourselves. If the church makes me feel wanted, it is a good church. If the minister makes me feel good about myself, he is a terrific guy. If the proffered truth supports my self-esteem, it is, thereby, verified.”]

Narcissists have little sense of humor. They don’t get jokes, not even the funny papers or simple riddles, and they don’t make jokes, except for sarcastic cracks and the lamest puns. This is because, lacking empathy, they don’t get the context and affect of words or actions, and jokes, humor, comedy depend entirely on context and affect. They specialize in sarcasm about others and mistake it for wit, but, in my experience, narcissists are entirely incapable of irony — thus, I’ve been chagrinned more than once to discover that something I’d taken as an intentional pose or humorous put-on was, in fact, something the narcissist was totally serious about. Which is to say that they come mighty close to parody in their pretensions and pretending, so that they can be very funny without knowing it, but you’d better not let on that you think so. [Interestingly, this is the only trait on this list about which there seems to be any controversy. Maybe I’ve just been unlucky! I’ve known narcissists who’ll make fun of others, repeat jokes they’ve heard others laugh at, and laugh at jokes when others laugh, but knowing how to make people laugh is not necessarily the same as having a sense of humor.]

Narcissists have a weird sense of time. It’s more or less like they are not aware that the passage of time changes things, or maybe they just aren’t aware of time’s passing at all. Years can pass without touching narcissists. Narcissists often look, or think they look, significantly younger than they are; this youthful appearance is a point of pride to them, and some will emphasize it by either preserving the styles of their golden youth or following the styles of people the age they feel they “really” are. That their faces don’t show their chronological age is a good sign that they haven’t been living real lives with real life’s wear and tear on the looks of normal people.

The narcissists’ years have passed without touching them. Bear in mind that narcissistic adults have had decades of not being in synch with the times or with other people, so that by now they are really out of it. Sometimes it just seems like they have a highly selective memory — which, of course, they do, sort of; they pay attention only to what has their name in it in the first place, so after 30 or 40 years, you shouldn’t be surprised to hear a narcissist say something like, “Didn’t the Beatles have a couple of hit songs while we were in high school?” or to suddenly discover that the narcissist doesn’t know that M&M’s have little m’s on them or that smallpox was eradicated over 20 years ago. They are not being ironic: they really don’t know.

They were off in their own little world of fantastic perfection. On the other hand, as far as I’ve seen, all that stuff really is in there, but is accessible only intermittently or unpredictably. Narcissists ordinarily have spotty memories, with huge and odd gaps in their recollections; they may say that they don’t remember their childhoods, etc., and apparently most of the time they don’t. But they will have sudden accesses of memory, triggered by God knows what, when they remember details, everybody’s names, what people were wearing, why the people in that picture from 1950 are standing the way they are, what the weather was like, etc. — in other words, every once in a while, their memories will be normal. But don’t count on it.

Narcissists are totally and inflexibly authoritarian. In other words, they are suck-ups. They want to be authority figures and, short of that, they want to be associated with authority figures. In their hearts, they know they can’t think well, have no judgment about what matters, are not connected with the world they inhabit, so they cling fanatically to the opinions of people they regard as authority figures — such as their parents, teachers, doctors, ministers. Where relevant, this may include scientists or professors or artists, but narcissists stick to people they know personally, since they aren’t engaged enough with the world to get their authoritative opinions from TV, movies, books or dead geniuses/saints/heroes. If they get in trouble over some or another opinion they’ve put forth, they’ll blame the source — “It was okay with Dr. Somebody,” “My father taught me that,” etc. If you’re still thinking of the narcissist as odd-but-normal, this shirking of responsibility will seem dishonest and craven — well, it is but it’s really an admission of weakness: they really mean it: they said what they said because someone they admire or fear said it and they’re trying to borrow that person’s strength.

Narcissists have strange work habits. Normal people work for a goal or a product, even if the goal is only a paycheck. Normal people measure things by how much they have to spend (in time, work, energy) to get the desired results. Normal people desire idleness from time to time, usually wanting as much free time as they can get to pursue their own thoughts and pleasures and interests. Narcissists work for a goal, too, but it’s a different goal: they want power, authority, adulation. Lacking empathy, and lacking also context and affect, narcissists don’t understand how people achieve glory and high standing; they think it’s all arbitrary, it’s all appearances, it’s all who you know. So they try to attach themselves to people who already have what they want, meanwhile making a great show of working hard. Narcissists can put in a shocking amount of time to very little effect. This is partly because they have so little empathy that they don’t know why some work is valued more highly than other work, why some people’s opinions carry more weight than others’.

They do know that you’re supposed to work and not be lazy, so they keep themselves occupied. But they are not invested in the work they do — whatever they may produce is just something they have to do to get the admiration and power they crave. Since this is so, they really don’t pay attention to what they’re doing, preferring the easiest thing at every turn, even though they may be constantly occupied, so that narcissists manage to be workaholics and extremely lazy at the same time. Narcissists measure the worth of their work only by how much time they spend on it, not by what they produce. They want to get an A for Effort. Narcissists lack empathy, so they don’t know what others value or why. Narcissists tend to value things in quantitative ways and in odd quantities at that — they’ll tell you how many inches of letters they received, but not how many letters or from how many correspondents; they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

A narcissist may, in fact, hold himself to a grinding work schedule that gives him something like an addictive high so that, when wrought up, he can be sort of dazed, giddy, and groggy, making you wonder if he’s drunk or otherwise intoxicated — now, that’s a real workaholic. Usually, this excessive busyness appears to be — and some will even tell you this — an attempt to distract themselves from unpleasant or inconvenient feelings (i.e., it’s a manic defense against depression — and, note, with narcissists it’s inaccurate to use “happy” or “unhappy” because their feelings are just not that differentiated; “euphoria” or “dysphoria” are as close as they get to ordinary pleasure or distress) or to make themselves unavailable to others’ emotional needs.

Narcissists feel entitled to whatever they can take. They expect privileges and indulgences, and they also feel entitled to exploit other people without any trace of reciprocation.

Some narcissists spend extravagantly in order to impress people, keep up grandiose pretentions, or buy favorable treatment, and some narcissists overspend, bankrupt themselves, and lose everything. My personal experience is that narcissists are stingy, mean, frugal, niggardly to the point of eccentricity. This is a person who won’t spend $1.50 on a greeting card but will instead send you an advertising flyer that came with the newspaper. This is a person who will be very conscious of her appearance but will dress herself and her children in used clothes and other people’s cast-offs. [Note: Thrift is not in itself a narcissistic trait; neither is a fondness for old clothes. The important element here is that the narcissist buys clothes that other people she admires and wishes to emulate have already picked out, since she has no individual tastes or preferences.] These are people who need labels or trademarks (or other signs of authority) to distinguish between the real thing and a cheap knock-off or imitation, and so will substitute something easy and cheap for something precious and dear and expect nobody else to know the difference, since they can’t. These are people who can tell you how many miles but not how many smiles.

Narcissists are not only selfish and ungiving — they seem to have to make a point of not giving what they know someone else wants. Thus, for instance, in a “romantic” relationship, they will want you to do what they want because they want it and not because you want it — and, in fact, if you actually want to do what they want, then that’s too much like sharing and you wreck their fun and they don’t want it anymore. They want to get what they want from you without giving you what you want from them. Period. If you should happen to want to give what they want to get, then they’ll lose interest in you.

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Something I had not connected with narcissism until I read about Reactive Attachment Disorder is that narcissists I’ve known have had unusual eating habits or appetites, including eating match heads, dry cake mix, chicken bones, raw meat, dog kibble, egg mash, bits of paper, wood pencils; some binge or gorge on ordinary foods, others seem always to be on one or another self-imposed, self-invented eccentric dietary regime. This behavior does not seem to have much in the way of affective component compared to, say, “normal” eating disorders.
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Narcissists are very disappointing as gift-givers. This is not a trivial consideration in personal relationships. I’ve seen narcissistic people sweetly solicit someone’s preferences (“Go ahead — tell me what you really want”), make a show of paying attention to the answer (“Don’t you think I’m nice?”), and then deliver something other than what was asked for — and feel abused and unappreciated when someone else gets gratitude for fulfilling the very request that the narcissist evoked in the first place. I’ve seen this happen often, where narcissists will go out of their way to stir up other people’s expectations and then go out of their way to disappoint those expectations. It seems like a lot of pointless work to me.

First, narcissists lack empathy, so they don’t know what you want or like and, evidently, they don’t care either; second, they think their opinions are better and more important than anyone else’s, so they’ll give you what they think you ought to want, regardless of what you may have said when asked what you wanted for your birthday; third, they’re stingy and will give as gifts stuff that’s just lying around their house, such as possessions that they no longer have any use for, or — in really choice instances — return to you something that was yours in the first place. In fact, as a practical matter, the surest way NOT to get what you want from a narcissist is to ask for it; your chances are better if you just keep quiet, because every now and then the narcissist will hit on the right thing by random accident.
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It’s very hard to have a simple, uncomplicated good time with a narcissist. Except for odd spells of heady euphoria unrelated to anything you can see, their affective range is mediocre-fake-normal to hell-on-Earth. They will sometimes lie low and be quiet, actually passive and dependent — this is as good as it gets with narcissists. They are incapable of loving conduct towards anyone or anything, so they do not have the capacity for simple pleasure, beyond the satisfaction of bodily needs. There is only one way to please a narcissist (and it won’t please you): that is to indulge their every whim, cater to their tiniest impulses, bend to their views on every little thing. There’s only one way to get decent treatment from narcissists: keep your distance. They can be pretty nice, even charming, flirtatious, and seductive, to strangers, and will flatter you shamelessly if they want something from you. When you attempt to get close to them in a normal way, they feel you are putting emotional pressure on them and they withdraw because you’re too demanding. They can be positively fawning and solicitous as long as they’re afraid of you, which is not most people’s idea of a real fun relationship.

I always have the problem that I get fed up and stay away from THEM long enough to forget exactly what the trouble was, then they come around again, and every narcissist I’ve known actually was quite lovable about half the time so I try it again. A clue: Run for cover when they start acting normal, maybe expressing a becoming self-doubt or even acknowledging some little fault of their own, such as saying they now realize that they haven’t treated you right or that they took advantage of you before. They’re just softening you up for something really nasty. These people are geniuses of “Come closer so I can slap you.” Except that’s not the way they think about it, if they think about it — no, they’re thinking, “Well, maybe you do really care about me, and, if you really care about me, then maybe you’ll help me with this,” only by “help” they mean do the whole thing, take total responsibility for it, including protecting and defending them and cleaning up the mess they’ve already made of it (which they will neglect to fill you in on because they haven’t really been paying attention, have they, so how would they know??).

They will not have considered for one second how much of your time it will take, how much trouble it may get you into in their behalf, that they will owe you BIG for this — no, you’re just going to do it all out of the goodness of your heart, which they are delighted to exploit yet again, and your virtue will be its own reward: it’s supposed to just tickle you pink to be offered this generous opportunity of showing how much you love them and/or how lucky you are to be the servant of such a luminous personage. No lie — they think other people do stuff for the same reason they do: to show off, to perform for an audience. That’s one of the reasons they make outrageous demands, put you on the spot and create scenes in public: they’re being generous — they’re trying to share the spotlight with you by giving you the chance to show off how absolutely stunningly devoted-to-them you are. It means that they love you; that’s why they’re hurt and bewildered when you angrily reject this invitation.
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Appearances are all there is with narcissists — and their self-hatred knows no bounds. The most dramatic example I can think of is from John Cheever’s journals. Throughout his life he had pursued surreptitious homosexual activities, being transiently infatuated with young men who reminded him of himself in his youth, while also living in a superficially settled way as a married family man, a respected writer with an enviable suburban life, breeding pedigreed dogs and serving on the vestry of the Episcopal church. When his secret life (going to New York City for a few days every now and then to pick up sailors and other beautiful boys for brief flings) came to scandalous light, his family sought to reassure him by telling him that they’d known about his homosexual activities for years. Now, a normal person would be ashamed and embarrassed but also relieved and grateful that scandal, not to mention chronic emotional and marital infidelity, had not caused his wife and children to reject and abandon him — but not the narcissist! Oh, no, Cheever was enraged that they would ever have thought such a thing of him — if they really loved him, they’d have bought his artificial “country squire” persona: they would have seen him as he wished to be seen: they would have believed his lies without question or doubt.
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Narcissists don’t volunteer the usual personal information about themselves, so they may seem secretive or perhaps unusually reserved or very jealous of their privacy. All these things are true, but with the special narcissistic twist that, first, their real life isn’t interesting to them so it doesn’t occur to them that it would be interesting to anyone else and, second, since they have not yet been transfigured into the Star of the Universe, they’re ashamed of their real life. They feel that their jobs, their friends and families, their homes and possessions aren’t good enough for them, they deserve better.
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Narcissists not only don’t recognize the feelings and autonomy of others, they don’t recognize their own feelings as their own. Their feelings are sort of like the weather, atmospheric, acts of God. The narcissistic think that everyone’s having the same feeling as they are. This means that usually their own pain means nothing to them beyond the physical discomfort — it has no affective component. When they do get some painful affect, they think that God is punishing them — they think that their trivial errors are worth God’s specific attention to their punishment. If you try to straighten them out, by telling them that your feelings are different, beware: their idea of sharing their feelings is to do or say something that makes you feel the way they’re feeling and, as they make a point of not sharing anything desirable, you can expect something really nasty. The sad fact seems to be that narcissists feel just as bad about themselves as they make others feel about them.
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Narcissists are noted for their negative, pessimistic, cynical, or gloomy outlook on life. Sarcasm seems to be a narcissistic specialty, not to mention spite. Lacking love and pleasure, they don’t have a good reason for anything they do and they think everyone else is just like them, except they’re honest and the rest of us are hypocrites. Nothing real is ever perfect enough to satisfy them, so are they are constantly complaining and criticizing — to the point of verbal abuse and insult.
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Narcissists are impulsive. They undo themselves by behavior that seems oddly stupid for people as intelligent as they are. Somehow, they don’t consider the probable consequences of their actions. It’s not clear to me whether they just expect to get away with doing anything they feel like at the moment or whether this impulsiveness is essentially a cognitive shortcoming deriving from the static psychic state with its distorted perception of time.
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Narcissists hate to live alone. Their inner resources are skimpy, static, and sterile, nothing interesting or attractive going on in their hearts and minds, so they don’t want to be stuck with themselves. All they have inside is the image of perfection that, being mere mortals like the rest of us, they will inevitably fall short of attaining.
Feel free to drop me a note ( [email protected]) with questions or comments.
©1998-2008 by Joanna M. Ashmun.

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EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 1:35 pm

I guess this is the MMM. Boots, Guns and Narcissists, Yeah.

A couple of issues I wish to protest as weakly as possible to avoid creeping out anybody’s safe space:

1. What is a female coyote, did you mean ‘cougar’?
B.Since when are English teachers a threat? Science teachers, maybe sex-ed teachers but not English teachers!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 2:00 pm

Mr. Ponder, our English teacher at Austin HS (who worked crossword puzzles with a pen, he said his ex told him he was intellectually conceited) caught up with me somewhere in town, he drove up to where my friend and I were walking. He said, Juan, what do you get? A’s in everything and you come to school something like 3 days a week? I’d say you should try to make a change. I promised him I would make an effort. I have always appreciated that he took the trouble to intervene. I have much love and respect for my English teacher there and wish to post this protest.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 22, 2015 2:29 pm

I’ve got two pair of Whites boots and a pair of their shoes. I used to work concrete construction and can guarantee these boots take a huge amount of abuse. There are rebuild-able forever and you can choose color, height and soles. About 15 years ago they were $300/pair. I hear they are closer to $600 now. The shoes are $200/pair. I bought two because wearing them everyday, they never got a chance to dry out properly. They are completely hand made by master boot makers right here in the USSA. My feet are a full size and a half different so buying these was literally the first time I ever had shoes that truly fit me.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
November 22, 2015 2:31 pm

Holy Moley Maggie,

Are you sure you don’t have NPD?
Post another picture.

This will all be discussed in the staffing tomorrow…
all the students will be in attendance, and yours is a fairly textbook case.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 22, 2015 2:34 pm

Great post Maggie. I tend to think of them in terms of Psychopaths. Easy to spot once you know the signs and even easier to ignore online.

Just ignore the assclown posts and your mental health improves instantly! You know the usual assclowns so just add the anonymous posts to that list and TBP regains much glory from a readers perspective.

I gotta go mow the fucking grass again and it’s 11-22 at 47 degrees north!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 22, 2015 2:39 pm

Oh yeah, those White’s Boots come with eyelets or speed lugs or a combo of the two, two different safety toe options or regular toe. The fit can be tweaked as needed after the sale and they have lots of styles including dress boots with exotic leathers like eel, shark, emu etc.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 2:56 pm

I-S, HSF said that trolls have to troll. It’s called banter. Sometimes, all they want to do is couch some idea or complaint in a humorous comment. A real troll will start a fight, argue over minor points and attempt to discredit your whole existence. I’m not defending trolls, I am a troll and I can appreciate their effort to keep things moving along. Otherwise this becomes an online meeting of sorts. Bitching about trolls and suggesting that they be skipped over is in itself trolling. The main problem I have with that the suggestion that trolls should be ignored like bothersome kids.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 3:49 pm

OMG, another I-S convert. We’ve lost her,bb!

The Lord answered her, “Martha, Martha! You worry and fuss about a lot of things.”

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 3:56 pm

Match Game

Characters
1. I-S
2. SSS
3. Stucky
4. EC

Memes
A. No nipples
B. No woman bashing
C. No censorship
D. No trolls

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 4:00 pm

Maggie says: By the way, I upload images to photobucket. It is fairly easy to set up an account there so you have a direct link for photos. I could put together a “how to” if anyone is interested?

Whut yew waiting fer?

Seriously, that would be much appreciative.

EL Coyote who is currently being ignored and it hurts so bad
EL Coyote who is currently being ignored and it hurts so bad
November 22, 2015 4:09 pm

Maggie says: And yes, they are psychopaths, but a special type. There is a difference in sociopaths and NPDs, but both are psychopathic and somewhat dangerous.

Uh, psychopaths and sociopaths are the same thing. I’m not sure they are all dangerous, as I understand it, they simply have no conscience. A lot of women are like that.

EL Coyote who is currently being ignored and it hurts so bad
EL Coyote who is currently being ignored and it hurts so bad
November 22, 2015 4:15 pm
M.I.A.
M.I.A.
November 22, 2015 4:20 pm

So what’s the difference between a narcissists, a sociopath or a psychopath?

Are they more dangerous than the average TBP INTJ?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 4:49 pm

The description in the article paints the picture of a self-centered person who is not necessarily without a conscience.

A psychopath is similar in that he/she only thinks of their own priorities and lacks empathy or concern for others, however, a psychopath has no fear of authority or what others think of him/her.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 22, 2015 5:03 pm

Also, a psychopath can be very likable while a narcissist can be very unlikable.

Homer
Homer
November 22, 2015 5:23 pm

I try to avoid narcissists as they drain you and contribute nothing, which is why I never voted for Obama.
“Politics is show business for ugly people.” Politicians like actors are pretty full of themselves. There are exceptions of course, but on the whole they act only in their self interest. You should always keep in mind. When they’re tell you that they are doing something for you, it’s really for them.

1st lady to 2nd lady–“Well, that’s enough talking about me. Let’s talk about you.” “What do you think of my new dress?” hmmmmm!

Homer
Homer
November 22, 2015 5:36 pm

Psychopaths lack empathy and can be charming to get what they want. They lack the emotional foundation to relate to another person, honestly. Narcissists are emotional and empathetic, but only toward themselves. Whereas, psychopathic behavior is a personality disorder, narcissism is a learning disorder.

Daughter to Mother–“Everyone say I’m spoiled rotten.” “I say keep up the good work.”

Homer
Homer
November 22, 2015 6:04 pm

EL Coyote you are so right about code of recognition, although, it isn’t really a code. It is more like subtle cues, which every person gives out. We like the person who’s cues we agree with and dislike the person who’s cues we don’t agree with. You want instant rapport with the person of the opposite sex? Just reflect back to them the cues that they are sending you. Ahhh, my soul mate.

You can put two druggies or psychopaths in a room of 30 people and within seconds they will recognize each other and seek each other out. That’s not well known outside of psyc circles and I find that very interesting.

EL Coyote–good observation.

gm
gm
November 22, 2015 6:16 pm

@ Billy Adding to your list

1. A high quality knife .
2. Basic woodcraft skills
3. How to hunt and fish.
4. How to butcher or clean your kills.
5.Basic tools to fix most items.
6. A chain saw, good quality, I had a tree fall this morning in front yard , cut it up quick .
7. Basic nightvision gear
8. Very good quality binoculars .
9. Cast iron cookware

Just a few of my thoughts . Altho, I’m a cook, so a lot of my gear centers around food /or preparing food /or acquiring food lol

Homer
Homer
November 22, 2015 6:29 pm

The reason I never bought into Obama and it goes back to his running for office before his first term was that he reminded me of the Pharisee in the ‘Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican’.

The Pharisee, obsessed by his own virtue, looking upward toward Heaven says, “I’m not like the commoner, the sinner. I tithe more than I am required and follow the Jewish law and I fast more than is required.”

Whereas, the Publican looking down, feeling he is not deserving to look Heavenward, strikes his breast and saying his Mea Culpa and asks for forgiveness.

I still see in my minds eye Obama looking Heavenward after some pronouncement after which the audience claps in adulation. …And after 7 yrs it still the same. What Hubris.

Tim
Tim
November 22, 2015 7:16 pm

Maggie – Thanks for the contribution.

I wanted to chime in about work boots. Don’t overlook ebay as a source for boots. My wife bought me two pairs of Red Wings for about the price of one pair. Brand new. I’m so hard on boots, I haven’t found that spending the extra money on Red Wings worth the extra money, save for the ebay find. I get about one years’ wear out of a pair of boots, whether Woverines, Timberland, or Red Wings.

I’ll never buy another pair of Ariat boots again, ever.

I’m intrigued about White’s Boots. Never heard of them, but they seem like a good deal, if made right here.

Good tips, Billy, on breaking in a new pair.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 22, 2015 7:33 pm

Tim, on the Whites Boots, my first pair I had rebuilt after six years. One of them got mangled while my foot was in it but I was unhurt. The boot looked like shit so I took them in and had ’em back in a few weeks. I had the soles replaced several times. I’ve never had to break a pair in. They fit like a glove from day one. My White’s shoes needed some tweaking and stretching but they too fit like gloves.

You could walk across Antarctica in their Whites Pacs and stay warm.

Home

From their site:
The White’s Boots tradition has its roots in the logging country of west Virginia back before the Civil War. It was there that Otto White’s father & grandfather made calked boots for the logging industry.

In 1902, the tradition was carried west when Otto and his father moved to St. Maries, Idaho. Then in 1915 they moved to Spokane, Washington where, under Otto’s guidance, the business flourished.

Otto White’s desire was a simple one: Make the finest work boots in the world! This single-minded ambition drove Otto to excell at his craft. His insistence on quality infected the workers of his growing business too, and the White’s reputation grew with every pair of boots that came out of the shop.

The hard bitten Northwest loggers became White’s Boots biggest fans. They were tough on boots, but they had never seen anything like the tough as nails boots that Otto and his crew put together.

Billy
Billy
November 22, 2015 11:10 pm

Okay. A quick joke and then I’m going to bed…

“A bear walks into a bar and says: “I’d like a beer and ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………a packet of peanuts”.

Bartender says: “Why the long pause?”

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EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 12:35 am

Good one, Billy. Stucky had one about a horse that ended: why the long face?

Homer
Homer
November 23, 2015 1:14 am

Billy, I’m not the sharpest tack on the bulletin board. I don’t get it?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 1:26 am

you don’t get it because bears have claws but the joke still works.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 1:57 am

TG is almost here and I’m thinking of turning a new leaf. I’m not talking about raking leaves. I want to accommodate folks who are uncomfortable with silly banter, dopples, trolls, etc.

Indian casinos have a smoke-free slots area, I propose a troll-free safe zone. It could be designated thus: I’m Safe, Troll Free Zone (IS TFZ). Of course such a zone would be separate but still equal.

I still haven’t worked out the details but it could work if it doesn’t get too bogged down by PC police, purists and other pussies.

Whose with me? I really want to change and I can’t do it alone. C’mon people let’s get our votes over to the Admin.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 3:18 am

Burky’s gross joke: Drunk walks into the bar, asks the bartender if he can do a trick in exchange for a free beer. I will take a drink from that spitoon for a free beer. Bartender says ok. Drunk takes a drink. Ok, that’s enough, you got your beer, says the barkeep. I said STOP, STOP. After a while the drunk puts the spitoon down. Bartender is sick now and asks why didn’t you stop when I said you could have the beer?
Drunk says, It was a long pull.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 6:33 am

I could make a good case that my buddy is a narcissist but what’s the point? I will just keep this list for reference. Is there any safe manner to deal with one? My buddy Elliot said intimidation was the best way. I took the easy way out, just give them the validation they seek. Her best friend (temporary minion) did this, nobody understood why since she treated her so rottenly.

My little story about the kid who learned to say NO! was based on this real person. It sounded implausible and nobody liked it but if you consider where the story came from you might appreciate it:

There was a little boy 2 years old who learned to say NO! It was the only word he knew. His mother offered him some food. NO! The cops were called, they could not convince him though they offered him a ride in the squad car. The mayor was called, he couldn’t convince him though he offered the boy a parade through town. The Governor was called, he could not convince the boy, though he offered him a state park. The President couldn’t convince him though he offered him a cabinet post. Soon they crowned him King and the whole country kneeled before him.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
November 23, 2015 8:42 am

Maggie

Im sorry, but yer the troll here. Me n El Chicherone been her uh lot longer than yew, and frankly ever time I read the black holes of all purpose and meaning that you insist on crapping onter Jimmy Q’s interweb forum, well it sends little rivulets of diarrea down mah leg and makes me question why I’m even here, if I’m gonner constantly be confronted by the abject dipshittedness of all you think and do. Doesn’t that boy uh yers need his ass wiped er somethin? Good gawd i wish you’d just leave us alone. I’m filing another official complaint in the hopes uh gettin yer anus banned from the site, that’s how passionately inflamed I am again yer unnecessary hostility, Baggie.

Billy
Billy
November 23, 2015 9:15 am

Homer,

You probably don’t get it because I fucked up the punchline…

It’s supposed to be “Why the big pause?”

Pause? Paws?

Meh…

I blame my illness, plus being punchdrunk from lack of sleep, plus the effects of the cold medicine…

It was funnier when I heard it…

Billy
Billy
November 23, 2015 9:17 am

Mushroom walks into a bar. Says “I’ll have a beer”.

Bartender says “We don’t serve your kind in here!”

Mushroom says “Hey! I’m a fun guy!”

(rimshot)

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 1:07 pm

Maggie says: Was a good story, EC… it almost appears you are serious about TFZ…. (And stop saying I snuck in a back door.)

That was one time I said that. I think your in now, Mags. You’ve walked the coals. You may now continue to firewalk with the gang. I can’t promise you a rose garden. I can say, though, the trolls you know now are mild compared to the halcyon days of TBP. There are oldtimers who long for those days. I prefer to be happy and not angry.

Let me tell you a story, Mags. It concerns the topic of trolls: Bob and I had run-in once. My buddy John loved to stir shit. He made it his business to keep both of us informed of each other’s comments. Pretty soon the small disagreement had become a bitter flaming war via John the go-between. I went to see Bob. I apologized and explained that I had no serious argument with him at all. When John saw us chit-chatting, he was obviously disappointed, You two are talking?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 1:19 pm

Billy says: I blame my illness, plus being punchdrunk from lack of sleep, plus the effects of the cold medicine…

Feeling poorly, Billy? Hope you feel better. A buddy of mine said when you get sick like that, you can treat it with OJ and gin. I can’t handle cold medicines, they fuck up my blood pressure and make me sicker. I stick to aspirin and loratadine and Mucinex. There’s a public drive to promote the pnuemonia vaccine, I asked for that a couple of years ago, and thanks to LLPOH, I also requested the whooping cough vac.

The weather here is still Autumnal, the trees are turning colors, the potted canna lilies and the banana plant are hanging in there.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 2:31 pm

Almost 100, so close but no cigar.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 23, 2015 3:45 pm

A drunk bellyups to the bar and asks the barkeep, ” chew gotta straww?”

“I guess..” Says the keep and hands him one

The drunk turns about and heads out the door.

A few minutes later a different drunk ambles to the bar and asks, “Straal?”

“Surre.” Says the keep, “If you dont come back.”

“SShurrr” slurs the drunk and heads out the exit.

A few minutes later another inebriated sort lurches toward bar and proceeds to ask for a “Toofpik”

“Just WTF is going on here?!” Shouts keep.

“Sum drunk girl throwed up outside an all the good stuff iz gone.” Says the drunk.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 4:03 pm

Phil’s dumb joke: Did you hear of the old lady who mistook KY for caulk? Her windows fell out.

100 Yay!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 23, 2015 8:39 pm

Ha, ha. I’m a great guy, just ask Stucky or LLPOH, two impartial witnesses. I have my detractors, we all do, but I never wish anybody gone. I like the people here; racists, pedophiles, animal molesters, cross dressers, whatever, as long as they can interact intelligently or troll with a semblance of wit..

I don’t struggle with any dark side. I have a side that is male; no feminine side, no dark side. What you get is what you get. Sometimes silly, sometimes snide, sometimes sarcastic, sometimes vulnerable but macho vulnerable not simpering vulnerable.

In truth, Maggie, the people here are damn smart, I can’t keep up but I try to cover it up. Thumbs down don’t mean shit, it’s just somebody who wishes they were as smart as me or wishes they could blow me. Once in a while I get a thumbs up and then it’s all worth it.

gm
gm
November 23, 2015 8:52 pm

gave u a thumbs up coyote , hope it is worthwhile sir . you once gave me a music video on sunshine , hardest time I ever had in my life (((((((((((((((( Altho maggies post on narcisets helped so much to explain that situation . Nuff said .

I thank you .