ON CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

“In many nations, rational people end up believing crazy things, including (false) conspiracy theories. Those crazy thoughts can lead to violence, including terrorism. Many terrorist acts have been fueled by false conspiracy theories, and there is a good argument that some such acts would not have occurred in the absence of such theories. The key point—and, in a way, the most puzzling and disturbing one—is that the crazy thoughts are often held by people who are not crazy at all.”

Cass Sunstein- White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs

If you don’t know who Cass Sunstein is, or what he does now would be a good time to do some research. Not only because of his position with the White House and the power that entails, but because he understands quite clearly what problems are posed by people who, in his own words are, “…neither ignorant, not ill-educated. On the contrary they can be spectacularly well informed…”

Conspiracy theories are, in short, the belief that others conspire in secret to commit criminal acts. They do, no secret there. In fact the majority of prisoners in Federal Penitentiaries are serving time not for a specific crime, but for conspiracy to commit a felony, more simply discussing their intentions with another person in secret. It must be difficult indeed to simultaneously prosecute large numbers of people for the very activity that you are assigned to debunk and then somehow explain to people that it’s dangerous to believe in them. Yes, yes, you can imagine them saying, other people do engage in conspiracies, but we never would and you’d have to be crazy to even consider it.

Point taken, Mr. Sunstein.

Prior to the advent of the Internet there were few places where people could openly engage in any discussion of the misgivings they had about certain events. Mailing lists, fringe publications, but no open forum for expressing doubt and discovering the fundamental and underlying reasons behind such thoughts. Mr. Sunstein has often argued that the reason most people believe in conspiracy theories is because it makes them feel safe, a notion that is as hard to believe as the one that says the government would never engage in a conspiracy. If anything, the dawning realization that those entrusted to care for and protect you are engaged in a pattern of behaviors that are not only dangerous, but wantonly destructive to the very values and beliefs we hold most dear. To believe in a conspiracy committed by a government that is powerful, that is actively spying on it’s own people without legal justification and that appears immune to the law is not reassuring or comforting, it is terrifying. It is also, based on what we actually know for a fact, common sense

Let’s begin by covering a few basics-

Operation Northwoods

In 1962 the Department of Defense acting in cooperation with the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a paper detailing covert operation by either the CIA or other Government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against innocent American civilians, specifically to either hijack US commercial aircraft, shoot down commercial aircraft, attacks and kill US soldiers at Guantanamo or an attack on the Organization of American States with the intent of blaming the actions on Cuba in order to destabilize or overturn the government. These plans were signed and submitted by a host of top ranking US Military officials including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Lemnitzer and submitted to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara who would later play a large role in the US war in Viet Nam.

None of the people involved in the research, planning, drafting or submission of this authorized government conspiracy was ever charged with a crime or held accountable. In fact the chief defense has always been that it was rejected by then President John F Kennedy, rendering further discussion null and void. Think about it for a moment and decide for yourself what the implications of such a plan mean for people who are, in the words of Cass Sunstein, spectacularly well informed, i.e conspiracy theorists. The government of the United States of America, using top secret clearance and taxpayer dollars actively plotted to murder innocent Americans in acts of terror in order to instigate a war on false grounds. To know this, according to the leading expert on conspiracy theories, makes us feel safer.

Incontrovertible proof that the government does in fact engage in criminal conspiracies that target innocent civilians in order to promote government sanctioned programs or military actions while it’s criminal participants escape justice has now been established as a fact, not a theory. Why this important piece of American history is unknown to most people is not puzzling, it is because it has been deliberately pushed off to the side, dismissed as irrelevant or pointless because it didn’t happen. Conspiracy theories do not require action, however, only the conspiracy.

One of the greatest issues the Government has in dealing with the conspiracies currently circulating is the ease with which the Internet allows them to propagate. While the vast majority of Americans have never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin, quite a few have heard the term “9/11 was an inside job” or know that something is not quite right about Sandy Hook. The ubiquitous nature of cell phone cameras has given people the ability to see for themselves without having to look through the lens of the MSM and depend upon sanitized news coverage to inform them of the details of various events taking place around the troubled world. The time when the government was kept in check by the 5th estate has long ago ceased to restrain them. The news organizations have become a tool of the establishment rather than a check on their power. The only option left is for either whistle blowers to come forward or citizen journalists to investigate on their own time and dime.

The MSM

Proof TV Media 100% Fake – Fake/Green Screen Compliation …

The Illusion of the Mainstream Media (MSM). #BreakTheIllusion

The sheer number of poorly faked news stories gives rise to the legitimate question, how many fake stories were done well? Why would any news organization feel that it is necessary to use false coverage to report actual news? It makes no sense to falsify something in order to tell the truth, so something else must be in play. The participants and producers are clearly aware of what they are doing when they use props or green screens, and since they are doing it without informing the viewing public it wouldn’t be unfair to call it a conspiracy. The more often these events are uncovered the less trust anyone feels in the institutions and representatives that commit these frauds on an unsuspecting population. Whether it is for altruistic or evil ends is irrelevant, the duplicity is it’s own crime and since it is done in secret, involving multiple parties we are left with little room to consider it as anything other than a conspiracy. That isn’t a theory, it’s a fact.

We live in an era that seems to be on the cutting edge of human civilization due to the proliferation of technically sophisticated gadgetry, but in many ways were are as ignorant and intellectually shallow as we have ever been, pacified by our good fortune, stable diets and creature comforts, bereft of the intellectual curiosity that has been the hallmark of cultures at their zenith. Grand sounding memes have been the trademark of great cultures, from Pax Romana to Rule Britannia. They are utilized to galvanize a people or a nation and lead them to greater heights and achievements or they serve as an epitaph on the gravestones of Empires, like Blood and Soil or Liberte’, Egalite’, Fraternite’. Numerous cultures experience a tumultuous birth, a meteoric rise and blossoming and slowly and inexorably decline into decadence and degeneracy.

Those who sit at the top of an empire in decline often employ the same tactics that their predecessors have used throughout history in order to remain in power; suppression of dissent, violent retaliation against those who resist, open condemnation of those who are often the most stalwart supporters of the earlier forms of the same government and eventually the emptying of the treasury and plundering of resources while the masses suffer. The employ various techniques of coercion and dependency as well as draconian measures in security and intelligence. One of the hallmarks of a failing regime is the way they turn a blind eye to the flagrant criminality of those at the top while increasingly stifling even the mildest forms of dissent at the bottom. Employing men like Cass Sunstein to float the idea that conspiracy theories are the seedbed of violent terrorist cells is only the beginning.

Many people believe that the restriction on free speech, the rise of the PC movement, the talk of microaggressions and safe spaces are about protecting marginalized minorities when in fact they are nothing more than tools used to entrench the positions of power, to eliminate resistance to their aims and objectives and to silence, once and for all every voice that fails to sing in the chorus of the State. The reason men like Cass Sunstein are employed by the State is because the veil has begun to fall. When people begin to question the veracity of the government, the next step, logically, is to question the legitimacy of the institutions that keep it in power. It is not a safe or reassuring thing to believe that your government is capable of plotting to kill you or those you love for it’s own ends, it is frightening, and demoralizing. It is also the first step in reclaiming our sovereignty. Just as no rational person would want to remain in a relationship with someone who repeatedly lies and cheats, neither would they be expected to offer allegiance to a State that would do worse.

Few people live in the natural world, experiencing the outdoors daily through all weather, dealing with real issues of life and death, the cycles of the seasons, the endless tasks associated with meeting our most fundamental needs, from feeding ourselves to teaching our own children the values and lessons that resonate with how we wish to live. For the rest of our population there is endless hours of mindless distraction, inhumane workplaces in unnatural environments far removed from the basic needs of life. We spend more time with people we hardly know than the ones we love the most, we eat food that we have no connection with and that fails to nourish, we depend more and more on a government that is further and further away from us, both in distance and in understanding, in short we have become disconnected from our own lives. Perhaps the first step in rectifying our situation is to begin to look at the world not as it could be, but how it is. To see things for what they are, to discard the falsehoods, no matter how pleasant they may seem in order to embrace the truth regardless of how painful it may be. And that’s not a theory, that’s a reality.

In closing I offer a speech filled with optimism in the face of desperation, hope in a time of bitter loss, and an appeal to the better part in all of us that calls out to be heard in times like these.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love?

Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain.

Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.

Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Patrick Henry

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Rise Up
Rise Up
December 19, 2015 12:54 pm

hardscrabble farmer says: Alexander AC, of all the people on Earth you could choose to cite, you selected Shermer? Are you completely unaware of his reputation?
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Ditto, HSF…can’t believe Scientific American would publish a piece by Michael Shermer. They don’t have a modicum of credibility in my mind.

Rise Up
Rise Up
December 19, 2015 12:58 pm

When the underlying data that “supports” AGW is false, the resultant conclusions are also false.

EXCLUSIVE: NOAA Relies On ‘Compromised’ Thermometers That Inflate US Warming Trend

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s reliance on poorly-sited weather stations to calculate surface temperatures is inflating the warming trend of the U.S. and maybe even the rest of the world, according to a landmark study looking at three decades of data.

“The majority of weather stations used by NOAA to detect climate change temperature signal have been compromised by encroachment of artificial surfaces like concrete, asphalt, and heat sources like air conditioner exhausts,” Anthony Watts, a seasoned meteorologist and lead author of the study, said in a statement Thursday.

These “compromised” weather stations run hotter than stations that are well-sited, and are used by NOAA as a benchmark to make upward adjustments for other weather stations that are part of the agency’s official temperature record.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/17/exclusive-noaa-relies-on-compromised-thermometers-that-inflate-u-s-warming-trend/

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
December 19, 2015 1:30 pm

@Rise Up, based on your quoted response, things still don’t add up for soldiers camped on the Wenatchee River to have been affected.

Since the experiment required a W to SW wind that meant they needed conditions that are exactly opposite of what normally occurs. That is rare for eastern WA. Since the report indicates that the cloud got everyone it could between Hanford and The Dalles means they got the winds they wanted and that guys on the Wenatchee River could not have been affected. Check out a map to see what I mean. To affect guys on that river would have required the rarest wind conditions of all for eastern WA which would have been SE to NW which for practical purposes, never happens.

Arizona
Arizona
December 19, 2015 3:27 pm

WILL they be tared and feathered,or hanged for treason,NO they won’t,WILL they kill the majoritily of americans YES They will,americans are NOW TOTAL COWARDS,and scared little bunny rabbits,they won’t fight to save their children,they won’t fight to save themselves and THEY will do everything in their power to stop anyone who would try to save themselves,SO you lose and satans wolfpack will cull the herd down to nothing,BUT of course we know the LORD will help his people,THANK GOD FOR THAT,but so few americans know the LORD,when the wars are over,there won’t be many left,and thats the way it is when cowards are the leaders,GET CLOSE TO THE LORD,no one is promised tomorrow by the LORD,so get close to HIM now,a lot of you will be meeting him face to face here shortly……..AND you better hope he KNOWS you,no one opens their door to strangers,DO you really believe the LORD will???

Beano McReano
Beano McReano
December 19, 2015 4:53 pm

The NEWS was always FAKE but now they are getting cheap!

cz
cz
December 19, 2015 6:11 pm

Roanoke reporter shooting anyone? What happened to that? Haven’t heard anything in a while…
sss is borderline troll. A smug/happy contrarian. Nobody knows but him…
We never went to the moon and don’t be surprised if we one day learn the earth is flat. Job 28:24

cz
cz
December 19, 2015 6:17 pm

Oh, admin, thanks for the kathleen kane piece 🙂
That’s been bugging me for a while…

rob in Nova Scotia
rob in Nova Scotia
December 19, 2015 7:07 pm

Alex the gReat is back to tell us how we are so wrong. I can’t wait for him to pull more stuff from his ass. I posted on The Agenda Behind Global Warming his welcome back!

I tried to be nice but I have realized that arguing with people like him is pointless as he uses his self righteousness as a blunt object to be rude.

JFish
JFish
December 19, 2015 8:56 pm

Hmmmnnn…

From Patrick Henry’s “God of Hosts”… and… “majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.”

To…

Michael Shermer’s and the global elite’s, pantheistic, earth worshiping idolatry and lust for world domination via the implementation of Agenda 21….

All in one thread? Really? TBP is da BOMB! I swear!

Shermer says:

“Through no divine design or cosmic plan, we have inherited the mantle of life’s caretaker on the earth, the only home we have ever known.”

It just makes me want to go out and hug a tree right this minute.

Think I will. Be back later…

JFish
JFish
December 19, 2015 9:08 pm

PS – is it still called “conspiracy” if it’s been published by the UN?

Just curious…

JFish
JFish
December 19, 2015 10:12 pm

Like I’ve stated before – it all comes down to a matter of ideological perspective & proximity…

C’mon Alex AC – go ahead and prove your “faith” using science.

Let’s play…

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
December 19, 2015 10:46 pm

Beano- I think you are right. I would venture to say Anderson Cooper does all of his “on location” interviews right in the studio he usually works in with the use of green screen. That was the case when he did the Sandy Hook Memorial appearance and as he turned to the side, his nose disappeared. The internet lit up like a Christmas tree over that one .

Sure saves on plane tickets and hotel rooms for the fraud Cooper.

flash
flash
December 20, 2015 6:47 am

make of it what you will…

The “Pale Rider” President
By John Harris, on December 18th, 2015

Imagine a man whose father’s and mother’s cultures are profoundly irreconcilable, who was raised with exposure to competing religions, whose childhood playmates sometimes classed him as one of this group and sometimes as one of that; whose parents eventually separated, whose remaining half-family was visibly different from him in appearance, and whose frustrations found release in mood-altering drugs. He matures into an identity which is always-other, always “not what you think”, always as Hermes-like as the chameleon. He comes from one side but can move easily to the other. He somehow migrates from a mediocre college to an Ivy League institution: the details of his admission are unknown. He succeeds famously at said institution… except that his “fame” is ex post facto: no one remembers ever seeing him in class. He directs a prestigious student publication and receives his degree… but nothing that he himself authored has ever been found (including a “ghost-written” bestseller from years later), and his college transcripts were apparently printed with water on the wind.

He is all things to all men… and yet, he is not really one of any of them. He belongs to the night, the shadows. Just when you think you’re closest to grasping him, your hands are most full of thin air. You thought he was here to help you—but he’s really here to roast you. His name is No Man; his name is Revenge. Someone must pay for leaving him in limbo: everyone must pay. He has created a new world inhabited by a single durable being, and around him he sees only trespassers and sacrificial offerings.

I hope this madman, this shaman drinking deeply of his mescal, this self-appointed Wrath of God and messenger of Zeus, doesn’t get any of our children killed over the busy travel season as he pursues his ongoing journey through the Underworld; but let us at least be clear, after all these years, about what he he means to do—not about what he is, or why he is so (for who really knows such things?), but about what he has in mind for the rest of us. He intends to have us paint our town red, and to raise a big sign before it reading “Hell”.

If he makes his red paint from the blood of one of mine, I really don’t know what I’ll do. I try not to think about it, as I’ve been trying now for seven long years not to think. It’s like a long walk through Hell.

Peace on earth to men of good will! God’s judgment, not man’s, will prevail.

flash
flash
December 20, 2015 7:19 am

Conspiracies ..just the stuff of tin-foil hat theorists, we are told.

A late 19th century French president, Jean Casimir-Perrier, put it pithily: “all political power is permanent conspiracy.” So it was in spades during the era of Licio Gelli, a condottiere, intriguer, and adventurer who should have been born during the Renaissance.
http://www.unz.com/emargolis/italys-puppet-master/

flash
flash
December 20, 2015 7:56 am

Link to entire article here:

The “Pale Rider” President

http://intellectualconservative.com/the-pale-rider-president/

coyote
coyote
December 20, 2015 10:07 am

one of the best things yet on TBP; thanks, HSF. you are an inspiration to those of us who fled the world of the Shadow years ago. congrats on the pickup from ZH.

Alexander Ac
Alexander Ac
December 20, 2015 10:09 am

Dear J Fish,

“prove your “faith” using science.”

What does it mean according to you (or others here) “using science” or even “science”?

I could throw hundreds or even thousands of scientific paper showing the origin or (negative) impacts of anthropogennic climate change, but it would have no influence on your thinking whatsoever.

And then you blame ME from not using critical of scientific thinking.

What am I doung wrong?

Alex

(Yea, of course, I studied environmental science in order to get rich and could ride my expensive bike)

Teri
Teri
December 20, 2015 11:14 am

HSF, thank you for this most excellent piece. I concur with all the eloquently spoken kudos you’ve received from others.

I guess I was born curious (mom says I took the house apart, and that I loved figuring things out), so conspiracy theories come natural to me. If something doesn’t seem right, I HAVE to find out WHY. There were lots of little tiny things that seemed out of sorts on the 9-11 terror attacks, which propelled me to do a whole lot of independent research. For sure, it was a huge rabbit hole, and what I learned completely turned my world upside down. That it was painfully depressing is a major understatement.

I tried to tell others, and the thanks I got was that both family and friends alike got extremely angry with me, called me crazy, and avoided me/stopped speaking to me. I made numerous people literally cry at the mere suggestion that our oh-so-benevolent government could do such a thing or let it happen. So I shut up. A few have done their own research and come around, but mostly not. If ever I am asked about it, I say the following: “Two words: Operation Northwoods. Do your own research”.

Now, I view every freakin’ thing with a very jaundiced eye, and I can usually do a quick analysis on how everything the nooz is reporting is pure BS. My husband, who finally gets it (and hates me for it too!), will ask about an event; I will begin to tell him what I think until he literally puts his hands over his ears and tells me, “Enough!”. Bless his heart. Point being, it’s difficult for most people to overcome their USAUSAUSA! patriotism.

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Regarding the lying nooz media, if any of you ever listen to Limbaugh, he does a good expose of the media. He frequently plays compilations of every talking head using the exact same word or phrase. (funny though, neither he nor his acolytes take that info to the next level). Next time there’s an event, flip on the teevee, check out all the nooz stations, and see how long it takes for them ALL to be on the EXACT SAME PAGE, word for word.

Olga
Olga
December 20, 2015 11:31 am

Well done HSF and congrats on the ZH exposure.

When I came to 9/11 truth late in 2008 [after the financial crisis] I cried for a month – the enormity and scope required to pull it off required such a depth of control that included the media and compromised politicians that I understood how precarious things were for this country, this world and of course my kids’ future.

The myths, lies and propaganda of 40+ years melted away and now life in the Truman Show is often quite discouraging – particularly because so many people near-and-dear are not interested in or are incapable of seeing the Matrix.

It requires a pretty strong ego to acknowledge the Matrix and I usually come back to, what I think is a Mark Twain quote – that it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they’ve been fooled.

Keep up the good work!

Maggie
Maggie
December 20, 2015 11:36 am

Flash? Isn’t the High Plains Drifter the one who painted the town RED?

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
December 20, 2015 12:31 pm

I’ll add my two cents in here…I may have said this before but I’ll repeat it just in case my memory is wrong .

Several years ago i watched a special on one of the major networks about Lt Col. Phillip J Corso. He wrote a book called ” The Day After Roswell ” . I watched the interview and a few weeks later I purchased his book .

I read it and thought it has some plausibility .

A month or so later my great uncle came for a visit . He was a career military pilot who flew in WWII etc . He saw the book,picked it up and said , ” I don’t know what went on at Roswell but it wasn’t a weather balloon ” .

He went on to say that he and his fellow pilots flew top secret military missions etc and they always discussed the missions among themselves . However a couple of the folks who had been at Roswell NEVER talked about it . He said they were in the mess hall one day and a newbie asked one of the gents about Roswell…he said the man got his tray and moved to another table .

He said that TPTB must have made strong threats to those that were there,threats so strong that the men feared for their very lives .

So I have no doubt that our gooberment can,does and will continue to use intimidation to get the citizens to do their bidding ….including covering up the truth .

suzanna
suzanna
December 20, 2015 1:56 pm

I know the answer to collaborations/silence re: Sandy Hook.

The majority if not all thought they were participants in a drill!!

Their participation required silence. Others were crisis actors.

The city officials agreed to the hoopla from an insider/patriot angle.
Also the governor of the state gave approval.

Further, there were many financial incentives. There are rumors

that Newtown CT. is/was a CIA “bedroom community.” The city got

reimbursed. Homes of residents were pd. off in full that following

Christmas eve. The school in question is to be replaced with a $55. million

Fed. grant. There is evidence that memorial funds for victims families were

established on web sites created B4 the event. 11/13 I think. Day before.

This long planned capstone event got some people confused about the date.

There was infighting among the “parents” about the common contributions.

Demands all get the same, alas some people were more “popular” than others.

Please read the extensive research done by Wolfgang Halbig and Sofia Smallstorm.

People signed non-disclosure agreements. This is what happens. If a person blabs

about it they could be railroaded into a Federal Prison before they say another peep.

Do the reading & watch Sofia’s you tube work. Also see Maggie’s comment about
signing non-disclosure documents.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
December 20, 2015 2:02 pm

suzanna- Please provide real proof that there were victims.

Tucci78
Tucci78
December 20, 2015 2:15 pm

Alexander Ac whines: “What am I doung wrong?”

First and foremost, proffering nothing more than those “hundreds or even thousands of scientific paper[s]” on the alleged “origins…of anthropogennic climate change” when (especially since the confirmations of the original ‘Climategate’ release on 17 November 2009) it’s known that the nominally “scientific” literature in climatology had been concertedly and systematically wrecked by both partisan editorial influence and the climate catastrophists’ connivance at turning blinded peer review into utterly mendacious “pal review” (thus evading the error-checking mechanism that had previously been supposed to make those “scientific paper[s]” reliably validated sources of information in their respective disciplines), you’ve screwed the pooch by way of the logical fallacy of argument from inappropriate – indeed, CORRUPTED – authority.

Not that this is altogether unexpected, coming as it does from yet another flaming idiot on the Watermelon political leff.

Second, the whole contention of anthropogenic climate change by way of the fractional (though arguably mensurable) increase of a trace atmospheric gas and its known-to-be-limited capacity to minimally moderate the re-radiation of certain wavelengths of solar electromagnetic input is extraordinary – at the very least – from the perspective of any person with any real literacy in either scientific method or the broad body of knowledge in the physical sciences.

Such an extraordinary contention requires extraordinary levels of RELIABLY OBSERVED AND RECORDED verifiable evidence in support, and to the best of my knowledge (and that of thousands of other scientifically literate, trained and experienced investigators in not only meteorology, atmospheric physics, and the other physical sciences directly and indirectly pertinent to the study of the global climate), such evidence is ABSENT. Indeed, there is an increasing body of observations – confirmed by recapitulated investigations – which run contrary to the conjecture that anthropogenic atmospheric carbon dioxide could have ANY significant effect – adverse or otherwise – on the global climate.

So you – and your co-religionists – are wrong, and you’ve not a hope in your own personal hell of ever imposing your delusions upon an uncaring physical universe.

Your fellow human beings, on the other hand, becoming less and less susceptible to your persuasions and your cadre’s efforts to turn the police power of civil government to the violation of those human beings’ unalienable rights to their own lives, their liberties, and their property, are about ready to take you and your brethren out into the Jersey Pine Barrens with shotguns and shovels.

We can certainly put you down far enough below the frost line to make sure that no possible “global warming” is going to bring what remains of you to the surface, there to trouble the courting couples who go ostensibly in search of the Carranza Memorial.

JFish
JFish
December 20, 2015 2:16 pm

Now onto Alexander AC:

He says: “I could throw hundreds or even thousands of scientific paper showing the origin or (negative) impacts of anthropogennic climate change, but it would have no influence on your thinking whatsoever.”
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You hit the nail on the head. One week coffee is bad for you. Another week coffee is good for you. One study funded by the Universal Coalition of Latin American Coffee Growers. The other is funded by the United Proponents of Green Tea Sellers.

Once we admit science has been politicized, then it’s merely a matter of following the money & Occam’s Razor after that, ya know?

You cite Michael Shermer & I will defer to the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works along with many oceanographic, satellite-based studies that claim the earth is cooling.

Neither of our minds will be changed.

What bothers me is that many resent the intrusion of truth reported by the alternative media and how the mainstream media has abdicated their responsibility to our republic by telling “narratives” and, seemingly, pushing an agenda. Why?

These same people call me a “climate denier” and “conspiracy theorist and arrogantly judge the intellect of those who “see” – while – it is this same crowd who, simultaneously embrace the Orwellian notion that the deaths in Benghazi were caused by a video on You Tube.

Even if the world is warming. How can it be proven definitively as caused by man?

Regarding climate change (lower case) – it seems the “peer pressure” in the scientific community (and drive for consensus) is so great it would be near enough to turn the reincarnation of Sir Iaasc Newton into Jorge Mario Bergoglio… or…. perhaps… even… Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus (i.e. all “popular whores”).

Speaking of Sir Isaac:

Around 600 BC the biblical prophet Daniel predicted in the latter days, mankind would travel “to and fro” with great speed (Daniel 12:4). The literal interpretation of this passage caused Sir Isaac Newton in 1680 AD, to speculate how man would one day travel over fifty miles an hour.

Paradoxically, the French philosopher Voltaire claimed this to be impossible and cited Newton’s speculation as proof of how Christianity causes even brilliant men to become foolish.

Why not talk about these things in our schools instead of climate change?

And finally – as just a closing side note here – before we had kids, my wife made me choose between my bike & her. Sometimes I still wonder….

JFish
JFish
December 20, 2015 2:31 pm

Also – instead of saying this (above):

“Why not talk about these things in our schools instead of climate change?”

I wish I would have said this instead:

“Why not talk about these things in our schools instead of the weather?”

Yep, that’s probably a more accurate assessment…

suzanna
suzanna
December 20, 2015 2:40 pm

oops, I didn’t see Maggie’s and Bea Lever’s remarks before I contributed
mine. They stated the “the way it works” just perfectly.

When do we get to talk about geo-engineering, chemical spraying, “chem trails”?

http://www.hangthebankers.com/bill-gates-admits-to-chemtrails/

http://geopolitics.co/2015/04/03/chemtrail-pilot-blows-the-lid-off-operation-indigo-skyfo

Geoengineering Affects You, Your Environment, and Your Loved Ones

http://www.thrivemovement.com/chemtrails-how-they-affect-you-and-what-you-can-do.blog

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/chemtrails/

http://globalskywatch.com/stories/my-chemtrail-story/chemtrail-information/plumes-change.html#.VncDKVKLWlw

http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-consequences-of-toxic-metals-and-chemical-aerosols-on-human-health/19047

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/aerosol-crimes-aka-chemtrails/

That should get someone curious

Happy Christmas,
Suzanna

suzanna
suzanna
December 20, 2015 2:47 pm

@Bea Lever,

Sorry about any misunderstanding. I should have said phony victims.

Fake victims. Absent victims. Supposed victims/family “of” received

$$$$$.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
December 20, 2015 3:05 pm

suzanna- If you want to talk about Chemtrails, go ahead unless HSF objects. The floor is yours.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
December 20, 2015 3:06 pm

When do we get to talk about geo-engineering, chemical spraying, “chem trails”?

Here’s a great example of why the official position of the UN Summit contravenes reality.

Please, anyone, anyone at all, do a search of the official position on this readily observable phenomenon and let us know what you discover.

*insert the sound of crickets, here*

Nothing. Nothing at all. How could that possibly be? Certainly trails clearly produced by the passage of high altitude jet aircraft that over the course of several hours completely obscure the blue sky behind a veil of cover is in fact a form of man made weather alteration. Since we know that the degree of coverage is directly related to temperature/precipitation, how do you fail to address it in any form at all if the intent is to rectify an alleged “anthropogenic” change?

JFish
JFish
December 20, 2015 3:23 pm

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EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 20, 2015 3:23 pm

Maggie, greetings from under the bridge. Your comment above is an excellent summation of life in general. The cubicleization or compartmentalization of society is nearly complete. Once we get a smart teevee monitoring our home life and tracking devices monitoring our public meanderings, control will be nearly complete.

Here is my outsider view, I subscribe to Professor Panlgloss’ view that you can prove anything with statistics. I am not going to accept the common sense tale that certain folks are smarter because of their race. Every group has to have a distribution of average folks, morons and brainiacs. It is a contradiction of the so called bell curve to say everybody in one group is below average. Shit, even in a group of small people, there are found giants or even redheads. How does that happen? Nature doesn’t follow man’s law.

Anyway, I just want to say that as information is withheld from everybody, the whole nation will sink to the intelligence level of blacks and browns. The potential for learning may be there as it has been in the minority groups but if the teaching is not available, we are all cattle.

JFish
JFish
December 20, 2015 3:24 pm

Looks totally natural to me!!

“Til I put on my proverbial “tin foil hat”, that is…

Sigh…

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 20, 2015 3:41 pm

100! I win, I win.

Hey, preemptively declaring victory worked for Bush, it will work for Hillary.

Maggie
Maggie
December 20, 2015 4:07 pm

EC… you seem to be demonstrating “premature exultation” because I’m posting 96 here.

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 20, 2015 4:20 pm

Better to have loved and lost than never to have come at all. The dynamic trio will get HSF to the century mark.

JFish
JFish
December 20, 2015 4:24 pm

Chemtrails, the cubicleization or compartmentalization of society…, red-headed rascism (perhaps due to the auspices of white privilege), Dr. Pangloss, the challenges of bovine education & “premature exaltation”….

Gawd…. I love this place.

Maggie
Maggie
December 20, 2015 4:28 pm

Well, bring it on and this time get it right!

Maggie
Maggie
December 20, 2015 4:29 pm

well? did that post?

Maggie
Maggie
December 20, 2015 4:30 pm

Oops… That was my “first time” posting 100 and I feel remorse.

JFish
JFish
December 20, 2015 4:37 pm

Good job, Mags! You did it! Full speed ahead. No remorse.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
December 20, 2015 5:11 pm

gm

I know you are there, I can hear you breathing………say something. Come on gm.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
December 20, 2015 5:19 pm

Jfish

Re: Your 3:23pm post

That is exactly the sky we deal with on many occasions. Interestingly enough it comes 2 to 3 days ahead of a major storm front and I mean every time. There are also health implications like headache and irritated eyes.

Countzero
Countzero
December 20, 2015 7:05 pm

I stumbled upon this incredibly informative blog sometime in the distant past and have been an avid reader ever since. This is, however my first post …. one prompted by the superbly written recent offering by The Hardscrabble Farmer. As usual, he nailed it.

Well into the last stages of my Elder Years now, I have lived through most of the ever-so-gradual changes that the beloved country of my birth has gone through; from Herbert Hoover to our current president Barack H. Obama, from a Republic to a semi-fascist oligarchy. Like a skulking thief in the darkness of night, the changes have crept up on us almost unnoticed. And the changes in our governance have been startling to say the least.

As THF so brilliantly phrased it: “One of the hallmarks of a failing regime is the way they turn a blind eye to the flagrant criminality of those at the top while increasingly stifling even the mildest forms of dissent at the bottom.”

Whether or not I have the right to express my disgust with our current direction I shall leave up to the reader, but you might wish to take a peek at my blog to check out my qualifications as a “patriot” …. it’s at http://www.seniorzero.wordpress.com/2009/12/.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
December 20, 2015 7:32 pm

CZ

It’s about time you said something. Do you indeed live in the Andes?

clear as day
clear as day
December 20, 2015 8:31 pm

Licio Gelli, Italian Financier and Cabal Leader, Dies at 96

Licio Gelli, a buccaneering Italian financier and self-professed fascist who was implicated in terrorist crimes, scandals and a secret society that, with him as its grandmaster, was accused of plotting a right-wing coup, died on Tuesday at his villa in Arezzo, Italy. He was 96.

His death was reported by the nation’s news media, and his funeral on Thursday, attended mostly by family and friends, was covered by Italian television.

Mr. Gelli never wavered in his convictions. In a 2008 television interview, he declared, “I was born under fascism, I studied with fascism, I fought for fascism, I am a fascist and I will die a fascist.”

He exerted much of his influence as leader of a cabalistic breakaway Masonic lodge, known as Propaganda Due, or P2, which the Freemasons had officially dissolved. The authorities said hundreds of government, business and military leaders had joined the lodge, defying Italy’s ban on secret societies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/licio-gelli-italian-financier-and-cabal-leader-dies-at-96.html?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
December 20, 2015 8:49 pm

Clear As Day-

Wow. That was one of the most fantastic wiki pages I have ever read. I knew the part about the bank scandal aspect of his life, but the rest of it was almost like a work of fiction- Juan Peron’s hands? Aldo Morro, P2, Banco Ambrosino, the Bologna Bombing AND a nomination for the Nobel Prize in Literature?

That’s a great story.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
December 20, 2015 9:16 pm

Pancakes and Global Warming

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I sat down to my breakfast this morning. My son-in-law was making pancakes for everyone at his house. Looking at my pancakes I couldn’t help but think of this thread, the conspiracies and global warming. I was either told or I read somewhere once that getting up in the morning is a conspiracy if two or more people are involved. Using that criteria this day would qualify.

Looking at my pancakes I couldn’t help but think of the recently finished Paris conference, All the government doublespeak about doing this and doing that to save the planet. To me it was much ado about nothing. All those blowhards agreed to do was to steal money from my pocket. Take pancakes from my plate. If I really wanted more than what I was allowed to have they would be happy to sell the pancakes I owned back to me for a price. All this talk and nobody can give me a good answer as to how we are going to reduce CO2 emissions. How can it work, when India and China refuse to participate in a meaningful way. Then I thought about the AGW crowd trying, in their minds at least, to save the planet. Alex Ac valiantly leading the charge trying to wash the heathens here on TBP.

I have had the luxury of living in poverty. I know what it is like to not have enough money to pay for heat and food. I find it very offensive and self righteous that the people driving policy have decided that the way of solving the problem of too much CO2 is to make energy, the stuff we all need to survive, more expensive. When I say energy I mean not just hydrocarbons but also the food we put in our mouths. Nobody in the west is going to sacrifice their lifestyle so the solution is to impose poverty and underdevelopment on already disenfranchised people in Africa, South America and Asia. Some solution! How about that conspiracy that is in plain view for all to see.

Now the people who believe in Cap and Trade will say. But third world countries will get paid to stay underdeveloped. Okay fine. In a perfect world not filled with corruption the money would flow to those who need it most. The poor in Third World. However 70 years of development since WW2 shows that the money will flow to cronies and connected cronies in these countries. Little or none would get to those who need it most. Even if it did the model as proposed would only maintain grinding poverty not alleviate it. And yet we wonder why they hate us.

A long time ago I went to University. Studied Geology but don’t count myself an expert in the credential wars waged to stifle this debate. I sat around in many classrooms talking about this and that. In the summer I took jobs in the field with companies with the intention of furthering my academic understanding. One summer I was working in Northern Cape Breton looking for gold. I was part of team of about a dozen students along with some senior field geologists. One night we were all sitting around talking, as students are prone to do. We were using the latest model to give us an idea where to look for the gold. After much talking about nothing a fellow sitting quietly in corner, a man with some 30 years experience as a prospector, said the following.

“Gold is where you find it.”

I have never forgotten what he said and I am reminded of it every time Alex Ac says something on this blog. If all these warmers put as much effort into finding solutions as they did talking about the problem it would have been solved 15 years ago. But there is big money in studying the issue.

The hard work is finding solutions.

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 20, 2015 9:53 pm

Rob in Nova Scotia says: “Gold is where you find it.”

Rob, that is such a good line, I think you’ll find Prof. Pangloss will have said that someday.

That sounds like the premise of Acres of Diamonds.

Tucci78
Tucci78
December 20, 2015 9:55 pm

Writes Rob in Nova Scotia: “If all these warmers put as much effort into finding solutions as they did talking about the problem it would have been solved 15 years ago. But there is big money in studying the issue.

“The hard work is finding solutions.”
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Not so much in this case. The hard work is very much in distinguishing an alleged problem from Cargo Cult “science,” ginned-up hysteria, snake oil salesmanship, arrant rent-seeking, and political corruption.

It’s impossible to FIND “solutions” when there’s no real material problem in need of address.