ON CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

“In many nations, rational people end up believing crazy things, including (false) conspiracy theories. Those crazy thoughts can lead to violence, including terrorism. Many terrorist acts have been fueled by false conspiracy theories, and there is a good argument that some such acts would not have occurred in the absence of such theories. The key point—and, in a way, the most puzzling and disturbing one—is that the crazy thoughts are often held by people who are not crazy at all.”

Cass Sunstein- White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs

If you don’t know who Cass Sunstein is, or what he does now would be a good time to do some research. Not only because of his position with the White House and the power that entails, but because he understands quite clearly what problems are posed by people who, in his own words are, “…neither ignorant, not ill-educated. On the contrary they can be spectacularly well informed…”

Conspiracy theories are, in short, the belief that others conspire in secret to commit criminal acts. They do, no secret there. In fact the majority of prisoners in Federal Penitentiaries are serving time not for a specific crime, but for conspiracy to commit a felony, more simply discussing their intentions with another person in secret. It must be difficult indeed to simultaneously prosecute large numbers of people for the very activity that you are assigned to debunk and then somehow explain to people that it’s dangerous to believe in them. Yes, yes, you can imagine them saying, other people do engage in conspiracies, but we never would and you’d have to be crazy to even consider it.

Point taken, Mr. Sunstein.

Prior to the advent of the Internet there were few places where people could openly engage in any discussion of the misgivings they had about certain events. Mailing lists, fringe publications, but no open forum for expressing doubt and discovering the fundamental and underlying reasons behind such thoughts. Mr. Sunstein has often argued that the reason most people believe in conspiracy theories is because it makes them feel safe, a notion that is as hard to believe as the one that says the government would never engage in a conspiracy. If anything, the dawning realization that those entrusted to care for and protect you are engaged in a pattern of behaviors that are not only dangerous, but wantonly destructive to the very values and beliefs we hold most dear. To believe in a conspiracy committed by a government that is powerful, that is actively spying on it’s own people without legal justification and that appears immune to the law is not reassuring or comforting, it is terrifying. It is also, based on what we actually know for a fact, common sense

Let’s begin by covering a few basics-

Operation Northwoods

In 1962 the Department of Defense acting in cooperation with the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a paper detailing covert operation by either the CIA or other Government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against innocent American civilians, specifically to either hijack US commercial aircraft, shoot down commercial aircraft, attacks and kill US soldiers at Guantanamo or an attack on the Organization of American States with the intent of blaming the actions on Cuba in order to destabilize or overturn the government. These plans were signed and submitted by a host of top ranking US Military officials including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Lemnitzer and submitted to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara who would later play a large role in the US war in Viet Nam.

None of the people involved in the research, planning, drafting or submission of this authorized government conspiracy was ever charged with a crime or held accountable. In fact the chief defense has always been that it was rejected by then President John F Kennedy, rendering further discussion null and void. Think about it for a moment and decide for yourself what the implications of such a plan mean for people who are, in the words of Cass Sunstein, spectacularly well informed, i.e conspiracy theorists. The government of the United States of America, using top secret clearance and taxpayer dollars actively plotted to murder innocent Americans in acts of terror in order to instigate a war on false grounds. To know this, according to the leading expert on conspiracy theories, makes us feel safer.

Incontrovertible proof that the government does in fact engage in criminal conspiracies that target innocent civilians in order to promote government sanctioned programs or military actions while it’s criminal participants escape justice has now been established as a fact, not a theory. Why this important piece of American history is unknown to most people is not puzzling, it is because it has been deliberately pushed off to the side, dismissed as irrelevant or pointless because it didn’t happen. Conspiracy theories do not require action, however, only the conspiracy.

One of the greatest issues the Government has in dealing with the conspiracies currently circulating is the ease with which the Internet allows them to propagate. While the vast majority of Americans have never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin, quite a few have heard the term “9/11 was an inside job” or know that something is not quite right about Sandy Hook. The ubiquitous nature of cell phone cameras has given people the ability to see for themselves without having to look through the lens of the MSM and depend upon sanitized news coverage to inform them of the details of various events taking place around the troubled world. The time when the government was kept in check by the 5th estate has long ago ceased to restrain them. The news organizations have become a tool of the establishment rather than a check on their power. The only option left is for either whistle blowers to come forward or citizen journalists to investigate on their own time and dime.

The MSM

Proof TV Media 100% Fake – Fake/Green Screen Compliation …

The Illusion of the Mainstream Media (MSM). #BreakTheIllusion

The sheer number of poorly faked news stories gives rise to the legitimate question, how many fake stories were done well? Why would any news organization feel that it is necessary to use false coverage to report actual news? It makes no sense to falsify something in order to tell the truth, so something else must be in play. The participants and producers are clearly aware of what they are doing when they use props or green screens, and since they are doing it without informing the viewing public it wouldn’t be unfair to call it a conspiracy. The more often these events are uncovered the less trust anyone feels in the institutions and representatives that commit these frauds on an unsuspecting population. Whether it is for altruistic or evil ends is irrelevant, the duplicity is it’s own crime and since it is done in secret, involving multiple parties we are left with little room to consider it as anything other than a conspiracy. That isn’t a theory, it’s a fact.

We live in an era that seems to be on the cutting edge of human civilization due to the proliferation of technically sophisticated gadgetry, but in many ways were are as ignorant and intellectually shallow as we have ever been, pacified by our good fortune, stable diets and creature comforts, bereft of the intellectual curiosity that has been the hallmark of cultures at their zenith. Grand sounding memes have been the trademark of great cultures, from Pax Romana to Rule Britannia. They are utilized to galvanize a people or a nation and lead them to greater heights and achievements or they serve as an epitaph on the gravestones of Empires, like Blood and Soil or Liberte’, Egalite’, Fraternite’. Numerous cultures experience a tumultuous birth, a meteoric rise and blossoming and slowly and inexorably decline into decadence and degeneracy.

Those who sit at the top of an empire in decline often employ the same tactics that their predecessors have used throughout history in order to remain in power; suppression of dissent, violent retaliation against those who resist, open condemnation of those who are often the most stalwart supporters of the earlier forms of the same government and eventually the emptying of the treasury and plundering of resources while the masses suffer. The employ various techniques of coercion and dependency as well as draconian measures in security and intelligence. One of the hallmarks of a failing regime is the way they turn a blind eye to the flagrant criminality of those at the top while increasingly stifling even the mildest forms of dissent at the bottom. Employing men like Cass Sunstein to float the idea that conspiracy theories are the seedbed of violent terrorist cells is only the beginning.

Many people believe that the restriction on free speech, the rise of the PC movement, the talk of microaggressions and safe spaces are about protecting marginalized minorities when in fact they are nothing more than tools used to entrench the positions of power, to eliminate resistance to their aims and objectives and to silence, once and for all every voice that fails to sing in the chorus of the State. The reason men like Cass Sunstein are employed by the State is because the veil has begun to fall. When people begin to question the veracity of the government, the next step, logically, is to question the legitimacy of the institutions that keep it in power. It is not a safe or reassuring thing to believe that your government is capable of plotting to kill you or those you love for it’s own ends, it is frightening, and demoralizing. It is also the first step in reclaiming our sovereignty. Just as no rational person would want to remain in a relationship with someone who repeatedly lies and cheats, neither would they be expected to offer allegiance to a State that would do worse.

Few people live in the natural world, experiencing the outdoors daily through all weather, dealing with real issues of life and death, the cycles of the seasons, the endless tasks associated with meeting our most fundamental needs, from feeding ourselves to teaching our own children the values and lessons that resonate with how we wish to live. For the rest of our population there is endless hours of mindless distraction, inhumane workplaces in unnatural environments far removed from the basic needs of life. We spend more time with people we hardly know than the ones we love the most, we eat food that we have no connection with and that fails to nourish, we depend more and more on a government that is further and further away from us, both in distance and in understanding, in short we have become disconnected from our own lives. Perhaps the first step in rectifying our situation is to begin to look at the world not as it could be, but how it is. To see things for what they are, to discard the falsehoods, no matter how pleasant they may seem in order to embrace the truth regardless of how painful it may be. And that’s not a theory, that’s a reality.

In closing I offer a speech filled with optimism in the face of desperation, hope in a time of bitter loss, and an appeal to the better part in all of us that calls out to be heard in times like these.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love?

Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain.

Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.

Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Patrick Henry

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JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 9:32 pm

Luv it El Cookie…

Anyway.. When our TIME comes… It all comes down 2 love… & hangin’ on. Just my opinion…

Next – is my favorite…. Love… Song… Ever… (will always remind me of my beloved “Ellie Mae”…

JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 9:33 pm
JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 9:40 pm

Sorry HSF! Screw it. We’re obviously, going for 200 on this thread. Let’s party (like its the end of 2015)!

Petal to the metal. Balls to the wall…

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 21, 2015 9:46 pm

@Mags, I’m gratified to see our little guppy swimming around without supervision, just last week he was complaining that I left him alone all day. Maybe you can start an incubator later for another noob.

@Jfish, What is the source of time or gravity? Where out there? I mean if space is like the ocean, the same everywhere you look, the there is no core, no center from which these things, if I may call them things, emanate.

Even if you can break sunlight down to photons and the pull of celestial bodies’ gravity to Newtons, you can’t reach the bottom of time or the source.

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 21, 2015 9:53 pm

Ugh, that was horrible, Jfish. I have to wash my ears out with this song:

https://youtu.be/kHkojuUSDO8?t=4

JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 10:05 pm

Oh man… I swear. El Cookie is rampaging again. Sometimes I wish you could get Univision on Walton’s mountain. I don’t get it here either. So we gots to gets it on the internets.

If you got better reception, maybe you could lay off me chasing unicorns & rainbows.

Oh well. I gotta go. Beth is calling. Or maybe it’s Gene Simmons. Give me a minute…

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 21, 2015 10:11 pm
JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 10:13 pm

EL Christmas… sometimes I wish you would take changing the world more seriously….

JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 10:15 pm
EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 21, 2015 10:23 pm
JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 10:24 pm

Maggie – go for the 200. U can do it. I’ll block.

JFish
JFish
December 21, 2015 10:32 pm

Gawd… the acoustics on that are awesome. It’s like Carlos Santana on quaaludes. I luv it…

Man! U Mexicans have such an amazing an amazing musical palette…

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 21, 2015 11:03 pm
EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 21, 2015 11:08 pm
susanna
susanna
December 22, 2015 10:30 am

#184?

try and catch Martin Armstrong this morning, New data on global
warming. We live in the time of financial scams and looting. An
inconvenient, incontinent truth.

susanna
susanna
December 22, 2015 10:35 am

Maggie,

are the animals fed? time to swing into action.

What have you done today to limit global warming?

The biggest conspiracy theory yet!! Neck and neck

with Ocare.

suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 11:04 am
suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 11:06 am

“satanic plot”

You will understand more if you listen!

suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 11:47 am

OMG…listening to Myron Fagan/1967 no less,

You won’t believe it…he outlines exactly what

we are facing today. Master Conspiracy squared.

We are on the cusp. Bankers wars and United Nations,

the whole shebang.

Rise Up
Rise Up
December 22, 2015 12:16 pm

[Enough with the music videos already…]

EL Caballo says:. The cubicleization or compartmentalization of society is nearly complete. Once we get a smart teevee monitoring our home life and tracking devices monitoring our public meanderings, control will be nearly complete.
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It’s already complete, Caballo, as Anon says in some of those comments above. Your “smart” TV can record and listen to you and send the data, plus your “smart” phone provides your physical location (some of them even when you think they are turned off–have to take the battery out to be sure), using triangulation of cell towers and mobile Stingray devices by IRS and police.

Furthermore, some computer purchases made online have been intercepted and surveillance devices placed in the hardware:

“According to a new report from Der Spiegel based on internal NSA documents, the signals intelligence agency’s elite hacking unit (TAO) is able to conduct sophisticated wiretaps in ways that make Hollywood fantasy look more like reality. The report indicates that the NSA, in collaboration with the CIA and FBI, routinely and secretly intercepts shipping deliveries for laptops or other computer accessories in order to implant bugs before they reach their destinations. According to Der Spiegel, the NSA’s TAO group is able to divert shipping deliveries to its own “secret workshops” in a method called interdiction, where agents load malware onto the electronics or install malicious hardware that can give US intelligence agencies remote access.”

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/29/5253226/nsa-cia-fbi-laptop-usb-plant-spy

Rise Up
Rise Up
December 22, 2015 12:25 pm

Rob in Nova Scotia says: As for the pollution in China that’s is a Chinese problem. Not ours.
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Rob, you are wrong. Those Chinese pollutants cross the Pacific and are doing damage to the forests in the Canadian and American northwest forests. Air quality is worse in the Pacific NW and even as far south as Los Angles due to China’s pollution.

“These findings are, naturally, pretty worrisome. But for U.S. readers, the results of the study on the global spread of Chinese air pollution, published yesterday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, might be even more troubling, both because they show the effects of Chinese pollution here in the U.S. and because they trace much of the responsibility back to American consumers, who buy a large proportion of the goods manufactured in China.

The research team, made up of both American and Chinese scientists, also used simulations to determine how much of the particulate matter emitted in China rides a seris of prevailing winds known as Westerlies across the Pacific and enters U.S. airspace. They found that, especially in Western U.S. states, significant amounts of the air pollution present could be traced to China. This was true even though the data they studied came from 2006—since then, air pollution in China has climbed rapidly.

On the days with the strongest Westerlies—which occur most often during the spring—between 12 and 24 percent of the sulfate-based air pollution over the Western U.S. was originally generated in China. That was also true for four to six percent of carbon monoxide and two to five percent of ground-level ozone. As a result, they estimated, in 2006 the Los Angeles area experienced one extra day of ozone levels that exceeded EPA standards for air quality.”

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/air-pollution-china-is-spreading-across-pacific-us-180949395/?no-ist

Rise Up
Rise Up
December 22, 2015 1:16 pm

Rise Up says: [Enough with the music videos already…]
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forget that comment (sorry)…play on, people, play on!

suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 1:26 pm

Rise…

because they show the effects of Chinese pollution here in the U.S. and because they trace much of the responsibility back to American consumers, who buy a large proportion of the goods manufactured in China.

WTF…I never, no other decent person, ever proposed to send US jobs to China.

China is a misery, the “workers” live in dorms and are forced to comply or else.

I for one, desperately seek to buy “made in the USA” but that is difficult. I had
neighbors that lived in Shanghai for three years (Johnson Controls, paying his
“dues.”) They told horror stories about food for export, and poison/toxic substances
in toys and household goods and building materials. SICK of USA “consumer” being
blamed for every darn problem in the world.

Pollution (in every realm) is a world wide problem. Investigate what “workers” in
India endure. Please know that a force (others can name it) exists that despises
the average human…wishes to exploit us all for any dime they can scrape. And,
cares zero about any harm, damage, pain and suffering, and death of any people.
Some might speculate that force even celebrates our demise. Some would say,
reference to an unseen force is psychotic. For those, recognize we have fellow
humans equal to an evil force. Eternal wars for profit and control.
Global government over a mongrel race. That is psychotic! The UN is evil.

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 1:43 pm

Susanna, the animals are fed. My husband and I rode down to the treehouse to get a few things out of it I’d been wanting (my crock pot was there! along with several favorite kitchen utensils). While we were there, we decided to gather some deadfall and build a fire to burn away some trash and old limbs.

Does that count as “helping” global warming?

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 1:47 pm

I plan to watch/listen to the Myron Fagan YouTube later tonight, when all my work is done and I can settle into some really depressing stuff with noting to cheer me up.

While I was bringing my son home, we discussed a few things like Global Warming and Nuclear War. I was explaining about the Doomsday Machine Russia supposedly has (someone posted about it in this comment thread, I think…) and he said “MOM! Shall I just open the door and throw myself on the pavement now or are you going to kill me with these horribly depressing stories.”

Well. Jeesh. You try to inform your kids.

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 1:54 pm

One last thing before I go… One of these days, TBPers will hopefully remember the time that crazy trio decided to run up comment counts on threads and drew in several respectable TBP people to comment and help from time to time. They will say something like “I always wondered why Admin didn’t tell them to stop their crazy antics.” And the answer will be something like…”Well, I always figured Admin was ONE of them. I think he called himself Jfish and presented himself as sometimes clever, sometimes childlike and oftentimes made comments that seemed as if they came out of the blue.”

Yeah, those were the good ole days before we had to submit our comments to the FCC internet division for approval two weeks in advance of a story being posted so the bureaucrats could verify that our comments were on topic and relevant to the story. Of course, since we can’t see the story before submitting comments, we have to send in random comments hoping they get approved, so it is not so different from what those three were doing then.

Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you.

Rise Up
Rise Up
December 22, 2015 1:59 pm

@Maggie, I was only pointing out that Chinese pollution is an American concern, and that Rob is incorrect to think it isn’t a problem for the US. The part of the article I linked that refers to somehow blaming the American consumer is off-base–maybe blame the American companies for outsourcing our manufacturing, but when we can’t “buy American” for many products, it’s hardly the US consumer’s fault.

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 2:33 pm

@Rise up… you are correct in that. I tried to buy American for a while an discovered that such a quest limits my ability to purchase things I need to run a household. So, we are learning more and more how to make many things for ourselves that I once would have believed I’d never be able to do.

It is empowering to learn how to make your own cheese/yogurt/bread/etc.

The global warming/pollution comment was actually in response to Susanna. The one about comment counts was simply random get this post to 200 sooner.

methatbe
methatbe
December 22, 2015 3:23 pm

“When a government is dependent on bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”

-Napoleon Bonaparte

SSS
SSS
December 22, 2015 3:44 pm

“The map theory goes like this-

When I was a child, when my father was a child, we were taught geography. When an event took place in the world every newspaper and every television news program would feature a map in order to help orient the viewer to the background of the story- and this was for people who already had a grasp on geography. Geography is no longer taught as a part of the Department of Education guidelines and you will not see a map of the region being covered in the news unless it’s a weather story. Without this crucial piece of information you cannot contextualize the unfolding of world events.”
—-Hardscrabble Farmer

Concur 100%. Russia is an excellent example. Crimea, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine. Why is Russia so involved, ask many people? “Look at fucking map,” is my answer.

SSS
SSS
December 22, 2015 3:46 pm

“Look at A fucking map.”

Comment 200. I win.

Rise Up
Rise Up
December 22, 2015 3:56 pm

I bet you made that correction just to reach #200. And you don’t believe in conspiracies…ha, ha.

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 4:09 pm

@SSS Congratulations, you win a HFCS saturated jelly donut.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
December 22, 2015 4:15 pm

Rise Up

All I was trying to point out was that the pollution created by industry be it windmills in the valley where I live, or crap from China we buy, was just exported somewhere else. We are responsible indirectly for it but the decisions required to fix the problem will have to come from the Chinese. Right now they won’t even participate in a meaningful in climate change debate. Whether it is causing global warming or not hardly matters to me. If something isn’t done in China and soon there is likely going to be an environmental collapse. They are burning dirty coal to fuel their industry. Basically shitting on the floor in their own house. This can only go on for so long before the smell is going to drive them out. When that happens it will be everybody’s problem.

suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 4:50 pm

Maggie,

I gave you some thumbs for fun.

Last year I made + thousand cookies. This year none.

I am an expert at wasting time.

Be careful w/ your son. Don’t break his heart all at once.
(I know you wouldn’t)
The first time I talked to my boys about the real gov. I got:

“Mom, are you out of your ever loving mind?”
Then I got banned from “talking politics.”

5 years on, their city property is sold. Cash purchase of a beautiful
small house on a 6.5 acre place, postcard beautiful. And a river runs
through it. Great neighbors. Typical young men…they have a truck,
dirt bikes, and off road thingies. Younger one bragged he had 10 boxes
of matches set back. lol The boy that owns a business in back and forth/rents.
The other one works 2 jobs and lives up here, 20″ north of me. Sweet.

suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 4:58 pm

Can we get to 250 comments in spite of the foil hat accusers?
We could drone in a delivery of Krispie Kreams to the winner.
Or, hostess Twinkies. Or Susie-Qs.

suzanna
suzanna
December 22, 2015 5:11 pm

Department of Homeland Security is intentionally placing local law enforcement in harm’s way by knowing (and falsely) entering the license plates of patriot-oriented radio hosts in the federal “terror watch” database. The aim of this tactic is to intentionally cause escalations of high-tension interactions between local police and pro-gun patriots, knowing that local law enforcement will respond to terror watch list hits with an escalated engagement posture involving firearms being drawn and pointed at the suspects.

News announces 2015 Journalist COURAGE Awards… see who won!
EXCLUSIVE: DHS placing patriots on domestic terror watch lists in unlawful attempt to escalate violent interactions with police

Sunday, December 20, 2015
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Tags: patriot radio hosts, domestic terror watch list, DHS

Pete Santilli got pulled over by police with guns drawn based on a flag
on his license plate. It starts.

http://www.naturalnews.com/052381_patriot_radio_hosts_domestic_terror_watch_list_DHS.html

JFish
JFish
December 22, 2015 7:34 pm

Maggie says: “TBPers will hopefully remember the time that crazy trio decided to run up comment counts on threads and drew in several respectable TBP people to comment and help from time to time. They will say something like “I always wondered why Admin didn’t tell them to stop their crazy antics.” And the answer will be something like…”Well, I always figured Admin was ONE of them. I think he called himself Jfish and presented himself as sometimes clever, sometimes childlike and oftentimes made comments that seemed as if they came out of the blue.””

WOW! I don’t know how you do it Miss Maggie! In a few short sentences you manage to flatter both Admin and me at the same time!

It just means you think the “certified fresh” JFish is too good to be true. Is OK! I get that a lot. 🙂

And – if someone’s “too good to be true” – it just has to be Admin!

Nice!

Yes – people that know me would tell you I AM just a big kid. My Ellie Mae tells me I am soooo immature all the time.

No problem!

Cuz… we’s aauuhhllll chidren in de eyes of the Lawd…

on another note… 200 in da bag! NAILED it!

SSS get’s the prize!

I love the smell of napalm in the morning…

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 22, 2015 9:50 pm

suzanna says: [Coffee, tea] Or Susie-Qs.

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 10:59 pm

Well, Susanna (what happened to Suzanna? another conspiracy?) if we are going to get to 250, we need something that generates a LOT of input. The TBP platform eats politics for breakfast and spits out Congressnuts and passes Senate Seeds with a helping of Executive Fiber.

How about we see if a disgusting sign of the end times we face were brought up? Could it generate enough argument to sail to 250?

https://youtu.be/0r7mb4kj88w

Maggie
Maggie
December 22, 2015 11:05 pm

Okay, I’ll start. The reason it was allowed on the steps of the Capitol was that it was a Speech and not a religious ceremony.

Who buys that?

EL Caballo
EL Caballo
December 22, 2015 11:11 pm

Maggie’s making a deal with Dick Cheney, a Faustian bargain sacrificing her grandrabbits for 250 comments.

Maggie
Maggie
December 23, 2015 12:04 am

Not at all, EC. Am simply bringing up another topic that we are warned NEVER to discuss unless we want heated tempers and nasty remarks. We’ve beat up free speech and we all seem to be pretty much in agreement that the obligation of the press to tell the truth is something long since traded for sexy women in tank tops on national teevee telling us how dreadful it is that our soldiers blew up another hospital full of children.

Even the anti-Sandy Hook was a hoax would probably agree that the credibility of the press extends about as far a hedgehog’s pecker on Lilliput. (don’t ask me why that comparison came to mind… it just did. I was reminded of Hedgehogs today and while they are cute little critters, they are very small.) Since we seem to be in agreement that our free speech rights are in crisis, I thought this example of something actually abhorrent to people of Faith being passed off as a Speech and not a religious ceremony on courthouse steps might be interesting fodder for discussion.

If not, well, I tried dammit.

Maggie
Maggie
December 23, 2015 1:58 am

Suzanna/sanna… am listening to the Myron Fagan exposee? Is that Maxwell Smart narrating?

JFish
JFish
December 23, 2015 11:42 am

Conspiracy defined: A secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal.

Therefore, deception is required.

The Satanic Temple folks calling for “free speech” is a lie because Wicca is a federally recognized religion since 1988.

They lie because they merely want to turn our statehouses into Harry Potter’s Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.

JFish
JFish
December 23, 2015 11:47 am

And to EL Cantankerous:

Becareful regarding the killing of baby rabbits. That is hate speech and PETA and the WICCANS will get court order to shut this place down, OK?

Keep it safe and, instead, just talk about Planned Parenthood and the sale of baby bits.

PETA and the WICCANS are OK with that, ya know?

Tucci78
Tucci78
December 23, 2015 11:53 am

JFish writes: “The Satanic Temple folks calling for ‘free speech’ is a lie because Wicca is a federally recognized religion since 1988.

“They lie because they merely want to turn our statehouses into Harry Potter’s Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.”

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And turning those rape-the-taxpayers whorehouses into the equivalent of “Harry Potter’s Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry” is supposed to impress anybody as a BAD thing precisely … how?

JFish
JFish
December 23, 2015 11:54 am

Also – I am not a big Harry Potter fan.

I think that’s why I like this TBP instead. It’s more like a Chocolate Factory. Admin is Gene Wilder.

The defective kids get taken away by monkey-faced Ompah Loompahs (of which they are legion here)

Myself – I choose to be Charlie and just admire the wonder of it all.

Plus, I get to “belch in the bubble machine” (i.e. comment section) with EL Grandpa.

Even tho – I think EL Grandpa would rather be at home listening to Moonglow and watching Some Like it Hot and drooling over Marilyn Monroe…

JFish
JFish
December 23, 2015 11:56 am

There ‘ya go Maggie! I kicked ‘ya down the road a ways toward 250. Only 32 to go!

I will do anything to save them damn bunnies. Please don’t sacrifice them yet.

Just give us a little more time, OK?

JFish
JFish
December 23, 2015 12:01 pm

Tucci:

J.K. Rawlings, while writing Harry Potter, studied Wicca to make the incantations, spells and rituals accurate.

Rawlings changed the wording for her books but the foundation is of the Wicca religion.

In fact, the Wiccan Society has protested because they feel Harry endangers children by exposing them to powers they don’t understand. And, yes, Wicca is growing exponentially, especially among teenagers.

But HEY! Whatever blows your hair back!

As far as me and my “muggles” – we always preferred J.R. Tolkien & C.S. Lewis…