“Am I A Dog That You Should Come To Me With Sticks?”

I’ve been going through multiple trials, tribulations, and annoyances the past few months which culminated in an unusual outburst of frustration and anger from me last night. My beloved said to me, “Don’t you worry. We’ll slay these giants together.”. Of course, she was referring to one of the very best known of all Bible stories – David and Goliath — the source of countless inspirational sermons. Almost everyone knows the final outcome; the giant dies! But, what about the finer details? There’s a fascinating story there also. Let’s take a look.

The Goliath story is found in 1 Samuel, Chapter 17, here. It could be an interesting exercise for you to read the text before you read this article … to see if you can spot some of the oddities and nuances. You might find some things not mentioned in this article, and then you can share that with all of us.

WARNING: You will not like this article if you need to believe that David defeated Goliath because of his faith in God, and therefore, that it was really God who defeated the big Philistine …. as opposed to a more “non-miraculous” account – that David won the battle because he made some shrewd calculations about his strengths vs. Goliath’s weakness.

Geographical Background

The Philistines were a seafaring people from Crete who had settled along the coast. Israel, led by King Saul, were grouped in the mountains. The two people were sworn enemies. Eventually, the battle tested and fierce Philistines moved east toward the Elah Valley. Their goal was to capture a mountain ridge near Bethlehem, thus splitting Israel in two. The two armies were pitched against each other on opposing mountain ridges, with the Valley of Elah below. Neither made a move. An attack would involve descending down one hill, and then making a certain suicidal charge up the enemy’s ridge. For days on end they just shouted various curses at each other. Finally, the Philistines said “Screw this crap!” – or whatever was equivalent in that era – and they sent their greatest warrior to single-handedly resolve the deadlock.

Goliath was his name, and if the Bible is to be believed as literally true, he was 9’9” tall, wore a bronze helmet, full body armor that weighed 125 pounds, and armed with a javelin, a sword, and a spear with the iron tip alone weighing about 19 pounds. (Based on what we do know, the length of the spear has been estimated to be as long as 26 feet!) This dude was the baddest bad-ass of the ancient world.

Following is an account written by a first century Roman historian (Quadrigarious) regarding a battle in which a Gaul warrior mocked his Roman opponent;

Meanwhile, a certain Gaul came forward—naked except for a shield and two swords, and bedecked with a torque around his neck and arm-bracelets. He surpassed all in strength, size, the vigor of youth, and courage. At the height of the battle when both sides were feverishly striving against one another, he began to signal with his hands that both sides should stop fighting. The fighting paused and, as soon as it was quiet, the Gaul shouted that if anyone desired to fight him in single combat, then he should come forward. No one dared on account of his size and savage appearance. Then the Gaul began to laugh and stick his tongue out. As soon as he witnessed this, a certain Titus Manlius—a youth of noble birth—was grieved that such a shameful insult should be suffered by his country, and that no one from such a great army should step forward to challenge the Gaul. He, as I said previously, stepped forward and did not allow that Roman courage be shamefully debased by this Gaul. Taking up a shield and a Spanish sword he stood against the Gaul. Both sides anxiously watched the meeting on the bridge …”

You can read what happens next in “Kill a Gaul, Get a Name” here.

Combat in O.T. Times

Single hand-to-hand combat, as above … that’s what Goliath was expecting, and he prepared himself accordingly. As mentioned above, to protect himself against body blows, he wore an elaborate tunic made up of hundreds of overlapping bronze scales covering his arms and reaching his knees. Bronze plates covered his feet, and bronze shin guards protected his legs. His helmet protected most of his head and face.

His three weapons were all designed for close combat. His bronze thrusting javelin was capable of shattering any shield and could penetrate armor. He carried a gigantic sword on his hip. But, his primary weapon was a short-range spear which was “as thick as a weaver’s beam”. Attached to it was a cord and elaborate set of weights allowing Goliath to launch the spear with extraordinary force and accuracy. This giant of man was fully prepared for close combat — what else could it be?

And, now, here comes a young boy, David, a shepherd (a lowly and oft despised profession) without armor, and carrying his shepherd’s staff. Goliath, infuriated by this perceived lack of respect, bellows out; “Am I dog, that you should come to me with sticks?

The Philistine army, as most ancient armies, consisted of three parts;

–1) The Cavalry, armed men on horseback or in chariots.

–2) The Infantry, armored foot soldiers carrying swords and shields.

–3) The Projectile Warriors, archers and slingers.

Think of these three groups as balancing each other out … as in the game of rock, papers, scissors. Infantry had long pikes and armor, and stands up to cavalry. Cavalry beats the projectile warriors, because the horses moved to fast for artillery to take aim. And projectile warriors beat the snot out of infantry, as a slow and lumbering soldier weighed down by armor was a sitting duck to a skilled slinger launching his projectiles from a hundred yards away.

The astute reader sees where this is leading. Goliath came barreling down the mountain as heavy infantry. When Goliath said “come to me”, he meant come right up to me so we can fight in close quarters. David “runs” towards Goliath …. with his missile. Goliath should have ducked.

About those slingers

First, be aware that “slingers” is NOT the same as sling shot. Slingers carried a leather pouch with a long strand of rope attached to each side. A rock, or lead ball, is placed in the pouch, and then the sling is swung around in increasingly wider and faster circles until one end of the rope is released, hurling the projectile forward. So simple a cave man can do it … except that it required long practice and extraordinary skill. But, what a magnificent payoff!

Slingers could hit birds in midflight. Irish slingers could hit a coin from as far away as they could see it. Slingers could kill a human from a distance up to six hundred feet! The Romans even developed a tool to remove lead balls that had been embedded deep in some poor schmuck’s body.

David whips his sling around and around, faster and faster, about seven revolutions per second, while aiming his projectile at Goliath’s ­only point of fatal vulnerability, his forehead. What could the lumbering giant do? As he stands there mocking the God of Israel, ready for close combat, when the horror suddenly dawned on him … because, his army had slingers also … that he brought the equivalent of a knife to a gunfight. David’s stone would have hit Goliath in just over a second … and, at about 35 meters per second that stone’s stopping power is equivalent to a modern handgun. Goliath was dead before he even knew what hit him.

For a fascinating overview on these deadly weapons, check out this article, “A Formidable Ancient Weapon” from slinging.org. here.

Goliath’s Gigantism and Associated Problems

Goliath had a brother and three sons who were also giants. (For example, in 2 Samuel 21:16 Ishbibenob, Goliath’s son, is credited with almost killing David until the swift intervention of David’s nephew Abishai. ) Is there a medical explanation for Goliath’s great size? Yes. This article here

suggests that the Goliath family had, “autosomal dominant inheritance. …. a hereditary pituitary disorder possibly due to the AIP gene, causing early onset and familial acromegaly or gigantism.” This benign tumor of the pituitary gland causes an abundance of human growth hormone, which could be an explanation for Goliath’s great size. (The tallest man in history, Robert Wadlow, suffered from acromegaly. He was 8’11” tall and still growing until he died.)

Pituitary giants look impressive in terms of stature, but they do not have speed and agility to match their perceived strength. A side effect of acromegaly are vision problems because the tumors grow to the point where they compress the nerves leading to the eyes … which will result in severely restricted vision and/or diplopia (double vision).

Goliath’s Odd Behavior

The text states that the Philistine went down to the valley “with his shield bearer in front of him”. Why bring a shield bearer? Shield bearers accompanied archers (slingers ) because warriors with a bow&arrow didn’t have a free hand to carry their own protection. Goliath, as mentioned above, was heavy infantry and came to battle for close-quarters combat. Well, it appears that due to his acromegaly he needed an attendant to act as his visual guide.

The text states that Goliath says to David, “Come here.” Why doesn’t Goliath go to David? Why does the text indicate that Goliath is moving slowly? Also, why isn’t Goliath terrified if he sees that David is coming to the fight as a slinger? He absolutely would have known that slingers beat infantry. What’s also unusual is that he accuses David of coming at him with “sticks” – plural – when David only had a single shepherd’s staff. In other words, Goliath approaches the battle virtually totally oblivious to the actual circumstances.

He sees two or more sticks when there is only one, he moves slowly because everything around him is a blur, he needs an assistant to help him survey the landscape, he tells David to come to him because he can’t see David clearly.

Surely, David as a mighty warrior – who, according to the text, killed a bear and lion with his bare hands — was aware of these significant incongruities he saw with his own eyes. And, so, David did obey Goliath’s command to come to him, and by the time Goliath saw what was really happening, it was too late.

Lessons Learned

One of my bible teachers often said this, “There is but one correct interpretation, but many applications.”. And so, you have the facts before you, and I’m sure you can come up with many applications (life lessons). I would love to hear them.

I’ll leave you with just one lesson, and not surprisingly, it pertains to my aforementioned angry outburst. We too often misread our conflicts. We flat out misinterpret the data.

We tend to believe we see all the giants just as they are, but alas, do we really SEE them? Well, not if they are beating you! How will you know that you really SEE the giants? When you see that whatever qualities you believe gives them great power, is the very thing that gives them great weakness. It is only then that you can run at them … and slay them.

Amen. And, Amen.

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BONUS SECTION: NEPHILIM

There are only two places in all Scripture which mentions “Nephilim”. Most bibles translate the word as “giants”.

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There also we saw the giants [Nephilim]; and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” —– Numbers 13:33

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” The giants [Nephilim] were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty MEN who were of old, MEN of renown. Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” —— Genesis 6: 1-5

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Many people interpret the following from these two scant references as follows; —– that Nephilim are the product of copulation between human women (daughters of Adam) and divine beings (sons of god). I would file this under “Patently Absurd” for the following ten reasons.

 1)- Look at the text. It clearly refers to these offspring as …. MEN! (Why do we even need to proceed any further?)

 2) There is really zero etymological evidence to justify the translation as “giants“. Zero. In fact, more than a few translations simply leave the word untranslated as “Nephilim”. Why? Because there are only two occurrences of the word …. And NO ONE really knows what the word means.

3) A much more honest translation is from the Hebrew root word “Naphal” meaning, “to fall“. But, there is no justification to attribute Naphal as “fallen angels”. Naphal could be anyone. The Hebrew language has plenty of words to use for angels that could have been used if the author meant angels, (“angels,” “cherubim,” and “seraphim”).

4) In the New Testament “sons of God” always refers to redeemed human beings. It would be very unlikely that ungodly demons would ever be referred to as “sons of God” .

5) There are no biblical accounts of any demon taking on human form. None. Nada. Zilch. When angels do appear to men, they are always obedient angels, and always here to help.

6) The reference to Nephilim is particularly problematic for the offspring-of-fallen-angels crowd. That’s because this reference in Numbers occurs very long after the Flood. And if we know anything about the flood at all, it is this: EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH DIED (except those eight folks on the ark).

7) Would you be attracted to a beautiful horse, and want to have sex with it? Because that’s what angel-human sex would be like … intercourse between two fundamentally different beings.

8) Human-angel sex assumes an awful lot about angels … that somehow angels can change from spirit to human, along with all the appropriate hardware (penis, tubes, etc.) AND somehow manufacture sperm that is identical to human DNA. Think about all that. You should be rolling on the floor laughing.

9) Angels are SPIRIT beings!! Jesus said that angels are NOT “given to marriage”. Sure seems like angels are asexual. And don’t go thinking that when angels assume human form (if they can) that they automatically also grow weenies and little swimmers. That’s sci-fi fantasy stuff.

10) Actually, according to Jesus, angels do NOT have the power to take on human bodily substance. When Jesus explained his bodily resurrection to his disciples he said, —- “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” —- Case closed.

Bottom Line: The Nephilim were men. We don’t know much more than that. So, we should leave it at that. People should stop inventing stories that just aren’t there.

Author: Stucky

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March 27, 2016 8:03 am

It has been said that the human race did not come with an instruction manual. Since 1955 that is no longer true.

Some things, being lost in ancient history, need revelation. That was provided with the publication of The Urantia Book. If you choose to read it you’ll understand how these things actually occurred.

At more than 2000 pages it may seem daunting… it is, but if you persevere – you’ll know.

John Angelo
John Angelo
March 27, 2016 8:06 am

Excellent article. Thank you for sharing your excellently organized thoughts on the matter. I’ve been to the Valley of Elah in Israel and it is just as you described. I’ve heard the reason David brought five smooth stones is Goliath of Gath had four brothers and David was prepared to slay them too. I assume David expected a similar outcome.

To tie this in with Easter Sunday, the place where Jesus was crucified was called Calvary, also known as Golgotha, an Aramaic word meaning “the skull.” Like David 1,000 years before, Jesus, the King of the Jews, defeated the greatest of all giants in an unconventional way by dying a horrific death on the cross and defeated sin, death and Satan himself. In my opinion that’s what those three crosses on that hill represent. And, like the two men condemned to die on either side of Jesus, we each get a choice to determine, like Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 16:15 “who do you say I am?” On this day, I choose, as Peter did, to respond “You are the Messiah, the son of the Living God.”

Happy Easter, everyone. He is risen.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
March 27, 2016 9:24 am

“There are no biblical accounts of any demon taking on human form.”

Matthew 8:28

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 27, 2016 10:08 am

Sa 17:9 If he wins and kills me, we will be your slaves; but if I win and kill him, you will be our slaves. …………………….. 1Sa 17:51-53 He ran to him, stood over him, took Goliath’s sword out of its sheath, and cut off his head and killed him. When the Philistines saw that their hero was dead, they ran away. The men of Israel and Judah shouted and ran after them, pursuing them all the way to Gath and to the gates of Ekron. The Philistines fell wounded all along the road that leads to Shaaraim, as far as Gath and Ekron. When the Israelites came back from pursuing the Philistines, they looted their camp.

The lesson presented here is obvious: Collecting on a bet isn’t always as easy as making it in the first place.

Every story in the bible has multiple lessons involved, not always just the one you hear at the Pulpit on Sunday morning.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 27, 2016 10:34 am

Stucky,

Every time I read the Bible I find something new in what I have read multiple times before.

It’s a book that may require a bit of heavenly guidance to fully understand, or maybe we can only understand that which applies to us in our life as we are living it today with more to be revealed to us as we take our passage through time and as we need it to do so.

I always appreciate others insights into the Bible, it leads me to things I would not find for myself.

corvus corax
corvus corax
March 27, 2016 11:21 am

Excellent article and inspiration!

He is risen like he said! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

javelin
javelin
March 27, 2016 11:43 am

There are many instances of angels appearing in human form. When the angels came to the house of Lot before the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gommorah , the people of the city asked Lot to let them come out of his house so they could have sex with them–this disputes 2 of your Post-script points.
In the old testament and almost always in the new testament, men/humans are referred to as children of God while repeatedly the angels were referred to as the Sons of God.
In Jude 1:6 reference is made again to these angels who came to earth and are now bound until the appointed time—the book of Enoch, although removed from the Bible by the RCC–was heavily read and referenced by new testament writers. In enoch the nature of these beings was clear.

As to your contention that there is no etymological evidence of the passage in Genesis translating or English “Nephilim” to giants–you are simply wrong. One must look at the original Aramaic in which it was written. In the form we find it in the Hebrew Bible, if the word nephilim came from Hebrew naphal, it would not be spelled as we find it. The form nephilim cannot mean “fallen ones” (the spelling would then be nephulim). Likewise nephilim does not mean “those who fall” or “those who fall away” (that would be nophelim). The only way in Hebrew to get nephilim from naphal by the rules of Hebrew morphology (word formation) would be to presume a noun spelled naphil and then pluralize it. I say “presume” since this noun does not exist in biblical Hebrew — unless one counts Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, the two occurrences of nephilim — but that would then be assuming what one is trying to prove! However, in Aramaic the noun naphil(a) does exist. It means “giant,” making it easy to see why the Septuagint (the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible) translated nephilim as gigantes (“giant”).

Vodka
Vodka
March 27, 2016 12:47 pm

Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it.

Hebrews 13:2

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
March 27, 2016 12:55 pm

Happy Pagan (Sun of God) Holiday !!

Mithra died and rose again three days later, I love this story no matter the point in time in history.

If you down this post ___ May a diseased Easter Bunny take a shit in your Easter basket.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 27, 2016 2:40 pm

Bea, that Sun video sure got me going, I wrote the longest comment on the fly and still had more to say but I was plenty incensed.

Other stuff that gets me going is idiotic pronouncements like, we are Satan. Or, God comes from within. Or the myriad suggestions that God does not exist.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
March 27, 2016 2:48 pm

EC- My favorite is the Universe will provide what I need. I could use a cool 5K for the cabal on April 15th.

I’ll be standing outside the rest of the day waiting for it to fall from the sky.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
March 27, 2016 2:55 pm

EC- Never mind………Jeebus sent me a message through a “Seed” evangelist on the TV that if I send this guy a hundred bucks, Jeebus will send me what I need.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 27, 2016 2:56 pm

According to T4C, the universe is a cold uncaring place so good luck waiting for your needs to be fulfilled that way.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
March 27, 2016 3:12 pm

EC says “According to T4C, the universe is a cold uncaring place”…….

Have you seen the news this week? The whole Belgium thing? Cruz the Christian dude has boinked womenz everywhere………….sigh.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
March 27, 2016 3:14 pm

Stucky I am glad you despise religion and claim Jesus before men.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 27, 2016 3:19 pm

It’s amazing that folks find more use for Christian rules to judge others than to restrain themselves.

Ned Ludd
Ned Ludd
March 27, 2016 3:59 pm

Perhaps this will help a little. Goliath was six cubits tall. His armor weighed five thousand shekels. His spear weighed six-hundred shekels. Now to the Hebrews God’s number was/is seven. Evil/satans number was/is six. Hence 666 is the epitome of evil. So here in 1 Samuel we have a giant, wearing armor that looks like scales (Genesis anyone?) whose number is 656 who came out for forty days (Forty is a traditional period of temptation. Think Jesus in the desert, Noah in the flood, Moses in the wilderness) and hurled insults at the Jews. David was under twelve years of age because Saul refers to him as “boy.” Had he been older he would have been referred to as a man. He chose five stones to represent the five books of Moses, the Torah. He placed one of the stones in Goliaths forehead because this was the place believed to hold an individuals identity. Think Tefillin attached to the forehead with bits of the Torah inside them showing obedience to God. If you think about it someone struck in the forehead would more than likely fall backwards but here Goliath falls face down much as the idols in the temple of Dagon fell face down before the Ark of the Covenant earlier in 1 Samuel. So we have an evil snake struck in the center of his being falling face down before God’s chosen and anointed. These are word pictures which would not be lost on any Hebrew hearing this story.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 27, 2016 4:49 pm

Neddy, that is all well and good if this was an exercise in literature interpretation. Pastor Stuck rejects reading more into a passage than is already there. Otherwise, folks may start seeing a possible Cruz victory over Trump in this story.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 27, 2016 5:03 pm

Ned,

Most scriptures translate the word naar (nah’-ar) as youth or young man which would be the more appropriate assumption in this case since David seems to have referred to himself as a man by inquiring about what the rewards would be for the man who defeated Goliath.

Sometimes English language translations can lead to confusion as to the original meaning of the scripture. It’s not really determined what his age was but under it would have been under 20 and probably around 15 or so.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
March 27, 2016 5:03 pm

It is amusing to me that intelligent (?) people still argue about the meaning of a 2,000 year old book about God but written by Men.

Ned Ludd
Ned Ludd
March 27, 2016 5:10 pm

EC- Stucks ordained??? Whoda thunk it!!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 27, 2016 5:22 pm

Uh, as my bro said once, I don’t belong to any pastor! If Jesse can call himself ‘reverend’ then I suppose Stuck can be called ‘pastor’ regardless of whether he has a flock. If you read above, he called it a sermon, that sounds to me like he’s a pastor.

I did jury duty some time ago. We had a black dude who said he was a pastor. He wasn’t my pastor but when I was trying to catch him as he was leaving, I automatically called out – pastor…

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 27, 2016 8:41 pm

Hey Stuck – I have decided I vastly prefer to not read your religious bullshit to not reading the other guy’s religious bullshit. You should be very proud.

So from now on, I am going to be entirely loyal to you, and so I am going to not read your religious posts much more thoroughly than I am not going to read the other guy’s posts.

It is the least I can do for my old buddy Stuck.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
March 27, 2016 9:48 pm

And then David went on to become a king that lusted after another mans wife.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
March 27, 2016 10:00 pm

The moral of the story, IMO, is that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Tots
Tots
March 27, 2016 10:31 pm

I enjoyed the read Stuck. Thanks for sharing.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 27, 2016 11:10 pm

comments are tied for Stuck and the Rebuttal to Stuck. How will we know if Stuck has more loyal non-readers of his religious article?

BTW, LLPOH, if you skip the bonus section, this article was safe for secular readers since there was hardly any sermonizing on good behavior or heavenly intervention.

My favorite re-telling of this story is 3 o’clock high.

My writing professor said most stories take off on themes from the bible. There just is nothing new under the sun, baby. Which is why old folks know so much, because once you’ve been around the block, it’s all re-runs.

Llpoh
Llpoh
March 27, 2016 11:32 pm

EC – I will have to thoroughly not read it again, in that case.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
March 28, 2016 9:30 am

Stucky

I didn’t find it preachy. I rather enjoyed it and please don’t say it’s your last sermon. Even I need to once and a while step back and re-evaluate. Even bullshit can be spun to yarn if there is enough fiber. And yes the metaphor is apropos to current world. If one puts aside the “religious bullshit” as Lloph would say there is a message. A good story always proposes a moral lesson. Something uplifting is never a bad thing especially after a long winter. I suppose that could be why Easter is in spring rather than the fall. The ancients glad to see the darkness and gloom subside as warmth and sunshine resumes.

Dan
Dan
March 28, 2016 10:08 am

Stucky: great article about David. I especially like your quote “There is but one correct interpretation, but many applications.” So true. Your conclusion is spot-on.

Also, regarding the Nephilim… they most likely were genetic hybrids between humans & fallen angels, and were probably a factor in why God caused the flood. This topic contains far too much to get into much deeper on social media, but I would encourage you to research them further…. they present some VERY profound implications, considering our recent adventures into genetic modifications (the scientific method is a great tool for discovering new things, but sadly, not so much at helping us understand greater wisdom).

llpoh
llpoh
March 28, 2016 4:27 pm

Stuck – I love you, you know that.

But I hate religious posts. Hate them hate them hate them. Personally I find them boring as hell, a total waste of time, and an exercise in navel gazing, and they tend to bring out nutjobs. I also do not believe they are in keeping with the overall tenor/theme/purpose of TBP, but if the Admin wants them up, who am I to disagree?

Post and write what you want. I hope you always do. And I will do the same. If I do not like something, I will tend to say so.

But re never missing a chance – that is not so. The vast majority of the time I just move along. The fact that there was a “scathing response” to this thread by some jackass prompted my comments. The “scathing response” is par for the course for this stuff – people get all purple-faced trying to justify their position on something that has no concrete answer.

Re why I hate them – I hate them, because I have found, consistently in my life, that an abnormally high proportion of folks that involve themselves in religion and religious debate to be 1) total assholes 2) hypocrites 3) evil motherfuckers 4) “intellectuals” who cannot pour piss out of a boot in the real world and 5) unethical mofos.

These do not apply to you, of course, or the majority f TBPers who involve themselves in such debates. But you would have to have noticed the nutjobs that oft slime into such debates. We need them around like we need an extra hole in our heads.

I did not mean to offend you. I meant the comments to be kinda funny, while oh so subtly making my general point.

llpoh
llpoh
March 28, 2016 5:07 pm

Hey – I loved the previous one. Why? Because you tied it into the real current Doom theme. And it was scholarly and factual and really cool. It hit the magic 200+ mark, and should have got more.

I am just a curmudgeon.

I still think the “thoroughly not read it again” stuff was hilarious. At least I amuse myself, seeing as no one else will.