We’ve had many a discussion about IQ on this blog. The chart below seems to provide an unequivocal conclusion. The law of large numbers always wins. The good old statistical conclusions from normal distribution graphs are pretty clear. On an individual basis, there will be really smart white and black people. There also will be really dumb white and black people. But, according to this chart, the overall distribution of IQs shows whites having an average of 100 and blacks having an average of about 83.
When I see results like this, I ask why.
An IQ test measures intelligence based upon a myriad of questions. The test was created by humans. How much of my IQ score is simply based upon my genes? Are we born with an IQ score already ingrained? Does the white race automatically have a 17 point advantage over the black race?
Or, is IQ a function of education, upbringing, environment, and individual motivation? Are overall white IQ scores higher because they are more likely to be raised in two parent households and have access to better educational opportunities? Are overall black IQ scores lower because the majority are raised in one parent households and have less educational opportunities?
The question seems to be nature versus nurture. What do you think?
Yes we are. And the Neegrows prove it everyday!
i think its actually quite simple, you get what is rewarded
to a large degree what is held in high regard in europe and NA? relatively long bouts of peace allow a focus on discussion, ideas, problem solving and technological and societal advancement so intelligence is held relaitvely high and people are generally very safe to share those ideas (no gays being tossed from rooftops).
but for instance in africa and the middle east there is constant war, conflict etc. as well as resources like water and fertile arable land that are less abundant per person, so what is the required survivial characteristics for that environment?
Ruthlessness might be the single most prominent characteristic, therefore intelligence has literally been murdered and bred out. good rational smart people are murdered constantly or repressed by backward fucking religions like Mooselimb skullduggery and/or warlords and then time simply keeps marching on and many strains of DNA that could have been productive hit a dead end.
i recently caught up by watching multiple seasons of the walking dead and it dawned on me, no one can survive in that world purely as a peaceful intellectual, you are required to have a certain degree of ruthlessness otherwise you simply won’t survive.
this is why the SJW and white liberals who apologize for their privelege are fucked if/when shit goes bad, they don’t see these people as potential enemies and threats and lack the survival instincts and ruthlessness to avoid being butchered.
All of the above contribute, genetics and environment IMO. You could also include the r/K selection theory.
Africans are generally from Africa. The equatorial environment there has plentiful food and resources year round. It also has lots of predators that’ll eat you. Spending a lot of time educating your offspring isn’t really necessary. This is a push toward the r selection. r = fuck like rabbits and makes lots of babies as you may be eaten tomorrow.
Caucasians are generally more K selected as they are from higher latitudes where food is seasonal, predators are not as numerous, survival depends on smarter better educated children. Like wolves who invest a lot in their pups. Food storage, hunting, adapting, many other skills are needed to survive the resource limited environment.
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Why does the right side of the chart bottom at 142 and then trend upward before stopping?
Is there a large group of whites with IQs of 145 and up that you’re trying to hide?
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE????
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The fluoride appears to be working as planned.
Persnickety, yes we are here.
I’m not going to bother trying to source & cite this, so do your own research if you want:
Evidence of a genetic base includes the similarity in IQs between people of white ancestry regardless of their country of birth or schooling, and with predominantly mixed-race countries (Latin America) tending to have IQs ranging in between those of the races involved.
Going on, people of African origin in Africa tend to have lower IQs, though with a fairly wide range, than people of the same general origin in the USA. However, discussions of “black” IQ has several difficulties making it a very rough generality:
1) Most “black” people in the USA have at least some European ancestry, though it may often be 1/16 or less;
2) Most “black” people in Brazil and elsewhere in Latin America are 100% African or very close, as in those countries the cultural view of race is to call anyone “white” who is partially white in ancestry;
3) There is enormous genetic diversity within the black peoples of Africa, and the genes for some random person in Namibia or Kenya may have relatively little in common with a person in the Ivory Coast or Nigeria, to the same degree that a Swede and a Mongolian may have relatively little in common; and
4) The vast majority of slaves brought to the Americas came from a relatively small region of equatorial west Africa.
There’s a mere smattering of issues in this debate.
My opinion? While both genes and upbringing matter, the genes seem to be more important, and on average whites have – well, the distribution of IQ shown above, which is very broad and obviously has a mean and median much higher than that of tested blacks.
People tend to focus solely on IQ. I think other personality and social traits matter nearly as much, including tendencies towards violence and social pressure.
i think what complicates the issue is that we were genetically altered several times in different ways in different locations. Genes dealing with intellect and longevity were targeted in particular so that we wouldn’t be too smart or be able to see life from a very long term perspective. Our creators didn’t want any problems from their slaves.
specie: WTF? Please explain.
Nature gives us the upper and lower bounds of our potential IQ. Nurture decides where we land on that curve.
It genes that matter most. The Leftist are wrong; we are not born blank slates and social class luck is not the main factor. Africans will never have a viable Space Program:
I was born with an IQ but I am pretty sure most Mericans were not which would explain Oreo…….case closed.
There is no discussion to be had, period. Most IQ is determined by genetics, though there can be some effect on it by such things as nutrition, infant care, etc. IQ can´t be raised to any appreciable extent by any means, despite the billions wasted trying to turn sow´s ears into silk purses in our public school system. IQ is closely related to impulse control, violent tendencies, etc. Re race, the average IQ for an African Negro is around 70, borderline retarded. The higher scores for U.S. “blacks” is simple to explain. Many of them have quite a bit of European blood and some are mostly white genetically speaking. This is a tedious discussion propagated by mostly Jewish anthropologists with an agenda. Every thinking man knows the score on IQ. Another thing. The gap between 83 and 100 is geometric, not arithmatic. 17 points is a huge difference.
IQ and all da resta dat shit is raciss!
@Southern Sage: “The gap between 83 and 100 is geometric, not arithmatic. 17 points is a huge difference.”
Right On!
We should stop pretending / wasting money on trying to make them equal in outcomes involving IQ.
Just take a look around at all the ghetto cities: Chicago / Baltimore / Philly / NYC / Atlanta …. large Neegrow populations. Violence / murder / crimes / entitlement mentality .. connect the dots.
Persnickity, because you asked.
• Reveals compelling new archaeological and genetic evidence for the engineered origins of the human species, first proposed by Zecharia Sitchin in The 12th Planet
• Shows how the Anunnaki created us using pieces of their own DNA, controlling our physical and mental capabilities by inactivating their more advanced DNA
as humanity awakens to the truth about our origins, we can overcome our programmed animalistic and slave-like nature, tap in to our dormant Anunnaki DNA, and realize the longevity and intelligence of our creators as well as learn the difference between the gods of myth and the true loving God of our universe.
Specie: I enjoyed Prometheus too.
Should I call you Weyland? Do you have a future business partner named Yutani?
I look at IQ as a bucket and education as water. Some people have a big bucket, some have a small bucket, but you can always have an empty bucket.
Persnickity – i’m an old man. i’ve been looking at archeology, mythology, world history and studying numerous religions for too many years trying to figure it all out. You might try the same and share your conclusions.
I don’t know the Weyland or Yutani you refer too.
Susan Rice, speaking at today’s FIU graduation ceremony lamented that there are just too many white people in top government jobs. She claims that the lack of diversity puts our nation at risk because all da white folks be thinkin alike. Yeah, we need more sub 100 IQ folks in top governmental positions. Yeah, that should straighten everything out…..
But they sure can run fast and jump high.
@constman54: “But they sure can run fast and jump high.”
Especially when they’re running with a stolen flat screen TV.
I don’t have any quantifiable answers but just based on personal observation over my life it seems like those who are curious tend to have higher IQ’s. Those of us who want to know how and why things work the way they do, even if they derive no apparent direct benefit, seem to be much more intelligent than those who only want to know what’s on teevee. These curious people also tend to be very observant.
I don’t know where curiosity comes from and I can’t tell if it’s genetic because there are a number of extremely high IQ kids who display incredible feats at extraordinarily young ages. Maybe there are two kinds of IQ……..born savants and the curious who nurture their own intelligence. If we still lived as hunter gatherers, the “what’s on teevee crowd” alive today would become tender vittles for things like wolves, bears, lions etc………..too dumb to recognize the danger.
I’ve known some sharp Negros in my time but they are rare and tend not to hang out with their clearly dumber kin folk. If black folks indeed have lower overall IQ’s I wonder if it’s because they evolved in a different manner/environment. It seems to me that black Africans managed to inhabit and proliferate throughout Africa just fine even if they lived a more primitive life. Perhaps conditions in Africa made basic survival more difficult and more time was necessarily spent on eeking out a basic existence as opposed to having more leisure time to contemplate bigger questions and ideals? It was only after YT colonized Africa and began to apply their own ideas of intelligence to the natives that the Negros problems began. Same thing happened to indigenous people in Australia, and North and South America. Perhaps whites and Asians just had more time to be curious and observant and therefore evolved faster?
IQ is inherited and the nurture gels it up.
IQ and the least common denominator are the purpose of political correctness and social justice. We may generalize about IQ and say it is invalid, but go to the continent of Africa and take a peek at Zimbabwe, sorry about that reality. They want the former white farmers to return to straighten it out. Ferguson, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, etc.etc are not about racism, they are about incompetence. Screw it all!
Genetic. My old man came from a family that was total scum. Despite that, he was still a smart sumbitch. To my everlasting thanks he passed those genes on to me. My brothers and sisters got my mom’s side of hat genetic crapshoot – she was incredibly sweet and loving and loyal and wonderful but not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Genes. The entire Afican continent is a giant Petrie dish that proves this point in no uncertain terms.
I don’t have a dog in this fight. Y’all are talkin ’bout white folks and black folks. I will say this, though:
One of my thoughts would bust all y’all’s heads wide open.
Llpoh, I sent an email to admin and requested that he forward it to you. He was not sure if he had the correct address but forwarded it anyway. If you don’t get it please contact admin.
I injured myself this morning. A thought struck me.
Stuck told me to change her nickname and it took a while to find one because Maggie thinks words matter. So I gave it some thought, which is hard for me since, well, beaner. Anyways, I came up with, “The queen of all fuck (and shit)” QAFAS for short.
All that to say that there are exceptions to the rule, those exceptions are blonde. QAFAS cannot remember shit from one week to the next. That’s good if your her boo, not good if you are her co-worker.
I tend to look at it in a similar fashion to IS – there are the curious (I suppose I fit into that category) and then there are the naturally gifted. Observation tells me it is by and large (but not always) genetic. At the very least if it is not completely determined by the gene pool it is certainly weighted in that direction.
Years ago I decided to run my own experiment on the topic. Figuring that genetics were the dominant factor I married a taller, better looking and more intelligent woman. It’s been interesting. I have a son who is now a good 6 inches taller than me with an IQ that I would presume is in the 140 range. The other day he asks me for some advice on an Algebraic Inequality he is working on and I smile, pat him on the back and think to myself – good job on the improving the family gene pool old boy – and call his mother in to give him a hand. Then again I have an 11 year old daughter who is more interested in guns, surfing and fart jokes than pretty much anything else….
My parents are both very intelligent and have excelled in their fields. My IQ is 131 according to the last test I took, which was a long time ago. But, I was also raised by reasonably well off white people who were married and I went to good schools. They also made me read and go outside, I wasn’t allowed to spend much time in front of the TV or playing video games when I was growing up either. The way I was raised really encouraged mental development. Hard to say if it was nature or nurture that influenced my brain development more, I really don’t know.
I will say that whether or not its nature or nurture, being raised in a culture that virtually guarantees single parent households with very little parental influence pretty much guarantees a low IQ and an inclination to crime.
Races are differentiated,on a genetic level, by much more than skin color. History and reality bear this out.
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P.S. To clarify, the inventor of The Stick depicts an Australian Aborigine, IQ approx. 60 or so.
I fail to see how IQ really quantifies anything. For 10,000 years and probably much longer, indigenous peoples inhabited and thrived in their native lands and did quite well. Some, like the Polynesians figured out how to navigate the open ocean. Over the last 1000 years or so people of white European ancestry moved out and started exploring other lands in search of resources….not to eek out an existence but to exploit and enrich themselves.
When these European people landed on the shores of the Americas and Australia they did not fare well at all. Often times they literally starved to death because they had no knowledge of the lands and hazards of those lands. In each case though they found indigenous peoples who were thriving in these new lands and evidence indicated they had been thriving for a very long time.
Australia was so harsh and dangerous that YT essentially gave up on it and turned it into a prison colony much like France did with Guyana. In each case though, YT persevered and prevailed and came to dominate these lands in a manner that on the whole, amounted to not much more than exploitation and living beyond their means in the never ending search for riches.
I often wonder what would have happened if YT had just left all these native peoples alone and simply bypassed those lands leaving the natives to their own way of life? Why do whites expect natives of other lands to be as intelligent as they are? Left to their own devices I doubt that the natives would have polluted and raped the planet to the degree that our “superior” intelligence has allowed us to do. What’s wrong with leaving natives alone to live in their native lands as they see fit? Up until 50 years ago or so the aborigines of Australia still lived off the land according to their traditions that go back up to 60,000 years by some estimates. If I dropped any white man off in the outback today in nothing but their birthday suit they’d be dead in a couple of weeks. YT, in his infinite wisdom decided these people needed to be modernized and came up with welfare programs and even took their children away from them by force to be educated. The end result of that is that the VAST MAJORITY of native Australians now live exclusively off welfare. How did this benefit them or YT? I wonder if white Australians bitch about all the free shitter aborigines they created in their own lifetimes? Where is the intelligence here?
No small number of white explorers owe their very lives to the natives who initially assisted them. In some places today YT has recognized small bands of native people who have had little or no contact with outsiders and claim a desire to leave these people alone and not disturb them but still, we clear cut the forests and jungles where they live not because we *need* that lumber but because we can make money on it. Does high IQ explain that?
It seems to me that YT is his own worst enemy with such high IQ’s. I don’t fear that blacks or ‘Murican Indians or Australian aborigines will some day destroy this planet with nuclear war or that they will unleash some game changing pandemic on me. I can’t say the same for my own people though. It all seems more than ridiculous to me.
IQ measures a certain kind of abstract thought, the kind that is very beneficial in creating things, organising societies, etc.
Australian aborigines are lately incapable of that kind f thought. However, they are incredibly adapted to surviving in one of the harshest environments on earth. Those skills simply do not translate into success in a modern world. It is not harsh, unfair or evil to say that. It is the reality. They must find a way to survive in that reality, or go the way of the Neanderthal. That is how life works. To think that it does not is a fool’s errand. Support them via welfare forever simply is not an answer. Compete, or die. Harsh, cold reality. Charity should be a private matter. Not one imposed by force.
It’s hot in Africa and Australia. They walk around naked. So the women picked the guys with the biggest dicks. In Norway they wear clothes (or furs) all the time. So the women picked the guys with the most firewood and dried fish – the guys with prior planning ability. If they have s big dick it’s a bonus.
Bea Lever says: I was born with an IQ but I am pretty sure most Mericans were not…
Regardless of whether the topic is who has a bigger dick or who has a bigger brain, if you have to ask, it ain’t you.
Iska suggests there is natural selection at work here. That’s a possibility. At any rate, your race and IQ are a gift, much like Trump’s lucky birth. He got looks, brains and money. Who can top that, anybody?
llpoh, I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately we have do gooders running around trying to equate the lower IQ morons as being equal. Without even knowing it, they are setting up the natives of each land for slaughter when the free shit runs out. Hell, maybe that’s the plan? I still think YT is his own worst enemy and all the “savages” will eventually get the last laugh.
Did you see my post above @ 7pm? If you got the email forwarded by admin there’s no need to reply. That just caught my attention and I thought you might get a kick out of it if it’s in your neck of the Outback!
My mother received her PhD in Psych in 1942. Fairly distinguished career; some fairly-high earned honors. Highly regarded as a clinical psychologist for some seventeen years.
I bought and read The Bell Curve when it was first published. Marked a number of comments before passing it on to her for review and comment. Mostly favorable comments, paralleling a good bit of her thought. During the years of her professorship, she and grad students worked on the development of the Stanford-Binet IQ test. ( My junior high was a guinea pig. I blew out the top end, necessitating a re-work. She was pissed.)
Anyhow: It looks to me–with no argument from her–that you’re born with all the IQ you’ll ever have. The big however seems to be nurture, insofar as diet in the first few years, and a mix of close family and a push toward learning. By learning, consider such things as alphabet blocks and numbers blocks for the very small. Plus, pushing to learn to read by the age of kindergarten. IOW, maximize the utility of what’s there.
From birth to age six or so, snack food and the TV as babysitter don’t maximize the utility of the brain.
I’m not madly in love with this thesis, but it seems rational to me. -)
Here’s how Asians develop such high IQ’s:
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