Muck’s Notes on Trading 5/27/16

Note from Muck About PM markets 5/27/16

 

 

This afternoon, after lunch, I hit the sell point for the silver speculative stocks I own..

I always, when I purchase stocks, let the winners run until they get tired and have a pre-set sell point in case they have a sell off.

My silver portfolio, in whole, tripped the lower limit of my current profit point and I dumped all my spec silver stock about 10 minutes ago (3:45 PM EST)..  

I always check my speculative stock values at 9:45 AM EST (giving time for the markets to settle out) and I check them again at 3:30 PM EST.  If I show an overall profit for the day at the 3:30 PM check, I’m aboard another day.  

If I show a loss at the PM check, I check the loss against my preset max loss level and if it exceeds it, I have the last 30 minutes of the market day to clear my holdings and maximize the profits I have left.

This rally in Silver stocks ran me up to a $15,000.00 profit.  My lower cut off was $10,000.00.  Today at 3:30PM, my profits dropped to $9934.00.  I dumped all my holdings for that amount, less fees, and pocketed a $9899.00 profit net.

Sure I dropped an extra $5,000 but I could have made and extra $10,000 or more if things had continued to go up —- which they didn’t.  There are two general kind of investors who trade. There are greedy ones and there are broke ones and there are those who ride the wind up and get out when the wind changes and goes the other way. Greed – “By, God, I know this stock will go to $50 and only paid $35 a share and I’ll not sell until it get there!”..

The stock drops to $15 a share and now he faces a much bigger loss than he would have if he had set a profitable tentative sell point of say $60 a share and a sell point of say,   $40 a share..   That way he STILL shows a profit on the trade – not as big as our trader wanted, but it beats the shit out loosing all your profits and extra money besides.

I have learned that one MUST accumulate and personally possess a stock of gold (preferably small American Eagles like 1/10 oz and up and bags of circulated US silver (pre-1964).  Personal possession only.

Then have some fun TRADING (NOT INVESTING) in paper silver and gold – more silver than gold because silver has more uses than gold (industrial as well a monetary) and is less likely to be manipulated.  (although it sometimes is).

So speculate in paper precious metals paper and buy and hold forever (at least until you need to use it) the physical stuff.

Now, excuse me, I need to get ready to take my sweetie out to dinner on my profits from the trade today.  I think I’ll have plenty left over to increase my bottom line when the trade clears!

Enjoy – but be wise, not greedy and NEVER hold a stock that goes below your sell point “in hopes” it might come back up.  It may stay lower than your sell point longer than you can manage to accept the losses!

 

Note, this is addressed to those willing to trade – NOT BUY AND HOLD.  BUY AND HOLD went out with the Bull Market of 1966 and has not been seen since.

MA


Author: MuckAbout

Retired Engineer and Scientist (electronic, optics, mechanical) lives in a pleasant retirement community in Central Florida. He is interested in almost everything and comments on most of it. A pragmatic libertarian at heart he welcomes comments on all that he writes.

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kokoda
kokoda
May 27, 2016 6:34 pm

Bravo !!!
Trade, take profits, and always have a sell stop

Suzanna
Suzanna
May 27, 2016 6:36 pm

nice little successful formula you have created there
young man…vote up this white man!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
May 27, 2016 7:46 pm

Buy and hold = “and it’s gone!”

Gator
Gator
May 27, 2016 11:32 pm

Good for you, muck. I got all of the money I could withdraw from my IRA out a few years ago, just what I put into it, not any gains, so I wouldn’t have to pay the penalty, a few years ago. What’s left is money I am prepared to lose. I don’t trade, day to day. I was a ‘value investor’ and I did ok on a couple stocks. Now I just have a few gold mining stocks left in there, which is money im prepared to lose. I’m down on all of it, but I just leave it there. It’s more entertainment than anything. I’m long gold miners and short(via ETF) the S&P. ETF decay has really eaten into my money even though the market has basically gone sideways.

I will say this, the two things I held into the longest made me the most money. UPS, which I considered a kind of short of brick and mortar retail, did very well. Also advanced auto parts, which I bought due to the average age of vehicles on the road constantly going up since the last crash(more people keeping their cars longer, and average people learning how to do some things themselves instead of paying a mechanic to do it) has led to good profits for those kinds of companies. It was kind of like a short of the big three auto makers. Both of those did quite well. I sold it all when QE officially ended. And, wouldn’t you know it, last time I checked both were up setting like 10% since then too, so I got off early. But oh well, I’m not getting back in. The downside potential greatly outweighs the upside. I think it’s a lot more likely for them both to go down 30% or more than go up another 10.

card802
card802
May 28, 2016 6:29 am

I’d enjoy a article on bonds and what to do if the fed ever dares, or is forced to raise rates.

Muck, do you have a formula on setting your buy and sell points? What helps you determine you are buying into strength and selling into weakness? If the answer is charts, then plan a article on how to read charts!!

I would love to learn to your way to trade vs buy and hold.

Thanks again for your minutes!

bb
bb
May 28, 2016 7:00 am

Muck , so you’re an admitted evolutionists , global warming apologists and now you have a gambling addiction .Muck,you could have really made something out of yourself but time is running out.

I think of that song by Roy Clark….. Yesterday, when I was young…listen to it muck.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
May 28, 2016 12:21 pm

I want to comment….. but can’t.

Momma always said “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say it”

Well done MA. Congratulations.

P.S. All the day traders I know, are either Wally World greeters, or gas jockey’s at Costco.

Undetermined
Undetermined
May 28, 2016 12:48 pm

MA – Interesting regarding your take on “trading” vs. “investing”. I liken it to classic cars. Some are “collectors” (i.e. buy and hold) and some are “enthusiasts” (i.e. driving what they buy).

Your approach on trading makes a lot of sense. Is cool you are willing to share it here. I once enjoyed the gamesmanship and the rush involved with locking in windfalls as well. In fact, reading your article above made me want to grab my surfboard again (for a minute). 🙂

HOWEVER, given the corruption in the markets, I have chosen not play anymore. I believe ALL paper backed assets are doomed at some point. Although I can appreciate your strategy of converting the profits into physical – unless I have a solid way of predicting the future (false flags, etc) – I choose to watch from the sidelines currently and converting any of my “paper” to “real” (in all its forms). In any event, I would rather be 6 months early as opposed to 1 minute late, ya know?

That all said, I merely stating my personal opinion(s) above as opposed to offering any solid solutions. I am, after all, an idiot who thought WITHOUT ANY DOUBT the shit was going to hit the fan in the Fall of 2013. Then FOR SURE in 2014. And then ABSOLUTELY in 2015….