You are jurors in a court of law. There are two defendants. The trial has ended, and there are two indisputable facts with documented proof before you:
1)- Plaintiff known as Mr. B has killed ten people.
2)- Plaintiff known as Mr. J has committed genocide. Exact numbers are unknown, but at least 100k people were killed.
Q1: Which plaintiff committed the greater crime?
Q2: In real life, most people people believe Mr. B committed the greater crime. Can you imagine any circumstances which would justify such a verdict?
I will give my analysis at 7PM tonight.
Why aren’t the plaintiffs on trial?
Oops!!!
lol
It must be a Bizarro World trial.
Stucky needs a hug !?
There’s no difference between the two. Both have committed murder. Unless they repent, both are doomed.
However, if all 110,000+ individuals were pedophiles, then no harm done and both are heroes.
My maffs is off. Should have been 100,010+. Thats why I don’t do tax returns.
The one who commits genocide does not act alone. You need quite a few minions to kill 100k people. However one person could easily kill 10, and the killer would bear 100% of the moral responsibility. In the case of the genocide, the burden of guilt is spread around to all the minions, and some of that guilt might even fall upon those in the jury as well.
Indeed and civilized people have been genetically wired and socially conditioned to cooperate within a hierarchy…even to the point of killing people. It’s how our militaries operate and how it is possible to kill 100,000 or more people far from any battlefield. Adolf Eichman was a Lt. Colonel with an administrative job. Put Jews and other enemy’s of the Reich on trains and move them to concentration camps. Israel, unable to get its hands on Himmler or Hitler had to make do with this bureaucrat and made him the scapegoat for every Jew who died in WW2. The trial was a joke as it was a lynching.
Then one could argue that person is the most guilty, as they corrupted others’ souls to do their evil bidding.
I’m going to take another tack — give me the details of each case, because I can’t make a proper decision without the details, and honestly we’re all guilty to some extent. And guilty is guilty if we’re going to go from a purist point of view.
Life’s a rotten game; nobody leaves it without some blood on their hands.
A couple of years back I watched a video that discussed this question. It was a lecture at Harvard or Yale. Can’t remember for sure. Not that it really matters.
I would pick the first because Intention is more important than Psychopathy. The reason for this is psychopathy is the asphalt that paves the road on which a society succeeds. I am doing this on assumption that first on trial acted alone with a conspiracy of one.
The second would be less so as s/he would be acting in concert with others.
In the video the Professor had posed this question and took input and questions from audience. None of the students took time to reflect that they were striving to become Captains of Industry and Minister’s in Governments.
I do a lot of work building bridges and roads. An acceptable design weighs cost against an acceptable number of accidents that result in deaths. For this type of work Benign Psychopathy is a requirement to be successful.
If metrics were to determine fate in trials then the jails would be full of..
Hospital Administrators
Generals and Admirals
Prime Ministers and Presidents
Besides seeing as a jury of peers is a collection of the unwilling and unwashed the crimes that matter are the ones we inflict upon ourselves.
I’ll try and find video and post if I do.
Image below an example of when the Captains got it wrong.
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Even then nobody went to jail.
Actually, it was Mr. B who acted in concert with another.
Mr. J acted totally alone.
Stucky,
Did you watch Eddie Izzard? I swear your question lines up exactly with his old stand up.
“Mass murderers come from the areas you least expect. ”
—- from the funny comedian dude
Oh, yes. YES, indeed!!! This is especially true about Mr. J. But it is almost expected from Mr. B.
By the way, Mr. B and Mr. J are well known to most Americans. They are practically deity. On the other hand, Asians don’t hardly know them at all.
Those are two Yuge hints, folks!
Closing arguments:
My client Mr. B had a difficult upbringing whereby he was brutally beaten by his step father and drug addicted mother, and later on in school, he was bullied by his peers…. and later on in life was in and out of foster homes and took up a life of drug dealing…….
My client Mr J was an exemplary citizen with a high degree of IQ whereby he found his niche in life as a government employee rising to the top of the the government to lead his countrymen. These 100,000 countrymen(deplorables) ALLOWED my client to execute them without offering any resistance whatsoever!
Any of the above sound familiar?
Reducing the situation to a very simple analogy is the first step in getting the analysis wrong.
An analogy is only as valid as the points in common between the two situations.
You’re making life easy for yourself and your pre-determined conclusion by reducing it to so few points.
A marble is JUST LIKE THE EARTH, except for size, water, people, compound substances, etc… Other than that, anything that happens in the marble-world happens on earth.
Duh!
Mr. B, aka Mr Beelzebub directly killed, with God’s permission, Job’s 7 sons and 3 daughters. It appears some servants were also killed. So, the number is slightly higher than 10. There are no other documented killings by Satan in the Bible.
“Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death.” —-Gen. 38:7
Mr. J, aka Mr Jehovah, sometimes kills one at a time as above. Another time, except for one family, he exterminated the entire human race — including infants and children — below the age of accountability. In between those two examples there are at least 50+ other separate instances where killing is directly attributable to God.
The earth’s population MUST have been in the tens of millions during Noah’s time. Here’s an awesome non-partisan calculator; — http://amunrud.com/noah/population.html
I don’t know why people say Mr. B is worse than Mr. J. Do you, if you think about it?
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
A question I got asked once about justice; why did Mr. J allow the holocaust?
That God kills individuals is a Biblical fact of life.
Therefore, why didn’t God kill Mohammad?? Think of the hundreds of millions of people who wouldn’t be burning in hell. Think of the millions of people Mohammedans wouldn’t have killed. But nooooo, God once killed Onan The Seed Spiller, but lets that fucken Mo live? Baffling, to say the least.
Even a benign pyshopath can make a mistake.