But There’d Be No Roads!

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Along with the Myth of Authority – the idea that being ordered about by other people is legitimate so long as those people have given themselves titles or wear uniforms – there is this idea that, absent government, we’d never have things like roads.

Much less plowed roads.

It snowed hard over the weekend and I got to thinking about it as I watched the government plow trucks do their thing.

They do it very expensively.

It seems “free,” of course. The trucks rumble by and you aren’t sent a bill . . . for that. But you’re sent a bill – via the IRS, via your state-level IRS – for many other things, most of which (unlike roads and plow trucks to clear them when it snows) you probably don’t use, don’t want and – quite reasonably – would therefore rather not have to pay for.

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Like, for instance, the estimated 10,000-plus nuclear warheads possessed by the federal government. Even if you’re not a Libertarian, it probably strikes you that a few hundred of them are sufficient for “defense.”

But we’re all forced to pay for as many nukes – and carrier battle groups – as the federal government decides it wants, even though we have little if any use for such.

The “defense” budget amounts to around $610 billion annually – nearly three times what China spends (appx. $216 billion) and more than seven times what Putin-rearing-his-head spends ($84.5 billion).

If the U.S. “defense” budget were to be cut in half, we’d still be spending as much as the dreaded Chinese and 4-plus times as much as the Russian bogeyman. Surely, sufficient for “defense.” Just imagine how much more money would be available for roads and plows to clear them. Things most of us probably would be willing to pay for and would pay for voluntarily. Because we could afford to do so.

If, that is, we weren’t forced to pay for so many other things – like “defense” spending that amounts to more than what Russia and China and the entire axis of evil spend together.

Oddly, many Americans (especially Republican ones) believe “our military” is mendicant, like the ragtag Colonial Army at Valley Forge. That “we” must rebuild it. Because Putin, et al. Who – with his single operational Typhoon is going to challenge Uncle to nooklear combat, toe-to-toe, per Major Kong all those years ago.

People buy this stuff.

Literally.

They pay for “rebuilding” (endlessly, excessively) the military – and lately, on top of this, the Homeland Security apparat. So there is less available to pay for things like roads and trucks to plow them.

Much less.

How many miles of new road could be paid for with $300 billion dollars – just half the current loony sum burned up on the “defense” budget? America would likely not be invaded or nuked in the meanwhile. The 10,000 nukes in stockpile will keep and if even nine out of ten of them are duds, probably 1,000 Hiroshima-plusses ought to suffice to keep Putin from rearing his head. But most Americans – trained to an extent that Dr. Goebbels, were he still around, would find startling – react exactly as required, siding with the government as it sticks its hands in their pockets yet again. Note that both candidates in the late election worked hard to outdo the other as the greatest champion of “defense.”

Even “small government” conservatives defend the defense budget – not grokking that “defense” is also government.

And very big.

Like the rest of the federal budget. It takes so much from us that we have very little left to spend on ourselves. On the things we need and want.

Most middle class people pay about 28 percent off the top in federal taxes; add more if you are self-employed and have to pay “your share” of the federal tax (it is actually called a contribution) toward FICA, also known as the Social Security tax. These taxes have the effect of making it very difficult to set aside money for retirement – because all your  working life, you are taxed to pay for the retirement of other people, many of whom do not “contribute” much and sometimes nothing at all. Regardless, the point is you could have provided for your own retirement – and probably, retired at a much younger age – if you hadn’t been fleeced at every paycheck to provide money for other people’s retirement.

All of us would be better off; and better able to help people who needed help. Non-coercively, too. Imagine that.

The faulty premise behind the anti-Libertarian argument that “we’d have no roads” and other needful things rests on the assumption – almost never questioned – that we would not have the money available to spend on such things, currently taken away from us to spend on other things.

Including “administration” (make-work government “workers”) and so on.

Imagine if you were allowed (vile, isn’t it, that such language is necessary?) to keep what you earned. Not 60 percent of it. All of it. To spend as you see fit, on only the things you need and want.

Probably, there would be roads. Very good ones.

And plow trucks, too.      

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Fiatman60
Fiatman60
January 8, 2017 2:14 pm

That’s why having a fiat currency is so important to the war mongers.
If we were on a gold standard, defense spending such as we now see, simply would not be possible

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Fiatman60
January 8, 2017 2:18 pm

Of course it would, we borrowed money to finance it all along from the start before we left the gold standard, we’d just do the same again.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 8, 2017 2:17 pm

Libertarians seem to believe we should have no road plowing, or even roads, if I understand this, followed by any form of common defense of the States.

But road building and maintenance, along with national defense, are specific powers given to government by the Constitution.

Perhaps Libertarians just don’t like the idea of a Constitution that allows government to do anything that puts them in a position of having to support or protect the common good?

IN any event, they certainly don’t seem to want anything resembling a functional civilization to interfere with their selfish interests to do anything they want without regard to others.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 8, 2017 2:33 pm

The DEBT started its significant rise in the early 70’s. You can really visualize it rising starting in early 80’s, but if you look at the numbers, it is the 70’s where it started.

Gov’t did change from borrowing corporate to gov’t bonds after WWI; politician thoughts on borrowing changed forever after that.

kokoda
kokoda
  Anonymous
January 8, 2017 2:42 pm

this anon was mine (kokoda)

Suzanna
Suzanna
  Anonymous
January 8, 2017 4:42 pm

I-dot

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
January 8, 2017 2:25 pm

OK, I’m an ex-Officer and Second to None Strong Defense Advocate but I’d agree to cut Defense the same amount that we cut Welfare (which is a Medusa spread over 100,000 different Budget Programs).

flash
flash
January 8, 2017 2:45 pm

As an old die hard Libertarian and via reading much on the subject of the good government -recently https://www.amazon.com/Origins-Political-Order-Prehuman-Revolution/dp/0374533229- I’ve come to accept the truth sans a central authority to enforce rule of law it will not exist. So might as well grow the fuck up and get control of your nation under a liberty respecting Republican form of government before an authoritarian entity not concerned with your butthurt feels does.

“ACCOUNTABILITY TODAY As noted in the first chapter, the failure of democracy to consolidate itself in many parts of the world may be due less to the appeal of the idea itself than to the absence of those material and social conditions that make it possible for accountable government to emerge in the first place. That is, successful liberal democracy requires both a state that is strong, unified, and able to enforce laws on its own territory, and a society that is strong and cohesive and able to impose accountability on the state. It is the balance between a strong state and a strong society that makes democracy work, not just in seventeenth-century England but in contemporary developed democracies as well.”
― Francis Fukuyama, The Origins of Political Order: From Prehuman Times to the French Revolution

StackingStock
StackingStock
  flash
January 8, 2017 3:48 pm

One of my favorite videos on Libertarians for the non Libertarians.

Why Libertarianism Is So Dangerous

flash
flash
  StackingStock
January 8, 2017 6:08 pm

“Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.” Aristotle

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unit472
unit472
January 8, 2017 3:27 pm

I suppose we could cut our miltary spending but we only spend about 3-4% of GDP on defense today which is pretty low. In 1960 we spent closer to 10% and we had more MEN under arms than we do today with our trans sexual armed forces.

While people tend to think of our military in terms of its capacity to wage war the world relies on US military assets for disaster relief. No one else can do it. Hurricanes, plagues, Yazidi’s stuck on a mountain in Iraq, its up to the US military to get there and rescue the situation. Its not our responsibility for sure but since we are the only nation that can the world looks to us.

MN Steel
MN Steel
  unit472
January 8, 2017 9:56 pm

As I was fucking around in Bosnia counting weapons and ammo in storage sites ranging in size from warehouse to (literally) large chicken coop, I asked myself why I was there, along with the Carabinieri, Brits, Finns, Germans, Russians, Canucks, etc.

I couldn’t come up with one that made sense, other than when the grunts were going door-to-door collecting weapons during “harvest season.”

Other countries want a US presence in their country, THEY can pay for it. And I call bullshit on humanitarian missions. The military is designed for two things: Break shit and kill people.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran
  unit472
January 10, 2017 9:39 am

“…we only spend about 3-4% of GDP on defense today which is pretty low….”

BS, we could take 50% of the Penagon’s budget to improve our increasingly Third World infrastructure.
but no war profits without war

Rise Up
Rise Up
January 8, 2017 3:52 pm

The reason the USA defense budget is so bloated compared to China and Russia is our Empire building with all those foreign bases and military “adventures”. And also those “missing” trillions of dollars from the defense department (most likely not missing at all but those monies go to black projects).

Suzanna
Suzanna
January 8, 2017 4:52 pm

Peters,
All correct apart from the Republican part…Uniparty is more like it.
If one wants to divide: Note that Dems would then be the party of
theft for social “causes.” Libertarians/Libertarianism is a corrupted term
now meaning idiot. It was commonly held that it meant, small government.
Now we have gargantuan government with everybody in gov spending without
regard. And stealing plenty thru bribes and kick-backs while they are at it.
Should you corral a puddle or give your neighbor an unwashed egg = jail time
AND a mega fine. That is tyranny regardless the “Party.”

travis
travis
January 8, 2017 5:07 pm

Our town plows our roads with an f250 with 400, 000 miles. And we use sand not salt. Cheaper that way. 200 inchesvof snow this season too.

ragman
ragman
January 8, 2017 7:25 pm

flash: that pic looks like West Perrine or Goulds, FL.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
January 9, 2017 12:22 am

Fact the working American taxpayer has been fucked so hard for so long by so many their collective asses bleed and the government insiders keep burying them deeper in debt to pay themselves and their enforcer staff to keep on fucking working people for their benefit . The beat goes on and it will crash , it has to ! The fact that now the majority of working people left standing are taxed to supply benefits for people that they will never have and could never afford for themselves and family . It is a question of fairness and yes life is not fair ! However the one place all Americans deserve total equality and unquestionable fairness is in the eyes and actions of their government total equality . So a low wage working person should not be taxed to supply benefits for a congressman or a local policeman .

Goofyfoot
Goofyfoot
January 9, 2017 7:56 am

Over 600 billion fiat dollars all stolen from our paychecks and these fucking idiots cannot stop one border jumper. I have an idea, lets tax sugary drinks for more bombs so we can kill innocent brown sand people half a world away. I feel so much safer here in the Hedge Fund Ghetto knowing Saddam and Gaddafi and almost Assad are dead but not the border jumping, pedophile, rapist, murdering illegal, deported 15 x’s, mowing the neighbors lawn! Murica, fuck yea!