Is Afghanistan a Lost Cause?

Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan

“We are there and we are committed” was the regular retort of Secretary of State Dean Rusk during the war in Vietnam.

Whatever you may think of our decision to go in, Rusk was saying, if we walk away, the United States loses the first war in its history, with all that means for Southeast Asia and America’s position in the world.

We face a similar moment of decision.

Wednesday, a truck bomb exploded near the diplomatic quarter of Kabul, killing 90 and wounding 460. So terrible was the atrocity that the Taliban denied complicity. It is believed to have been the work of the Haqqani network.


This “horrific and shameful attack demonstrates these terrorists’ compete disregard for human life and their nihilistic opposition to the dream of a peaceful future for Afghanistan,” said Hugo Llordens, a U.S. diplomat in Kabul.

The message the truck bombers sent to the Afghan people? Not even in the heart of this capital can your government keep civilian workers and its own employees safe.

Message to America: After investing hundreds of billions and 2,000 U.S. lives in the 15 years since 9/11, we are further from victory than we have ever been.

President Obama, believing Afghanistan was the right war, and Iraq the wrong war, ramped up the U.S. presence in 2011 to 100,000 troops. His plan: Cripple the Taliban, train the Afghan army and security forces, stabilize the government, and withdraw American forces by the end of his second term.

Obama fell short, leaving President Trump with 8,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, and Kabul’s control more tenuous than ever. The Taliban hold more territory and are active in more provinces than they have been since being driven from power in 2001. And Afghan forces are suffering casualties at the highest rate of the war.

Stated starkly, the war in Afghanistan is slowly being lost.

Indeed, Trump has inherited what seems to be an unwinnable war, if he is not prepared to send a new U.S. army to block the Taliban from taking power. And it is hard to believe that the American people would approve of any large reintroduction of U.S. forces.

The U.S. commander there, Gen. John Nicholson, has requested at least 3,000 more U.S. troops to train the Afghan army and stabilize the country while seeking a negotiated end to the war.

Trump’s conundrum: 3,000 or 5,000 more U.S. troops can at best help the Afghan security forces sustain the present stalemate.

But if we could not defeat the Taliban with 100,000 U.S. troops in country in 2011, we are not going to defeat a stronger Taliban with a U.S. force one-seventh of that size. And if a guerrilla army does not lose, it wins.

Yet it is hard to see how Trump can refuse to send more troops. If he says we have invested enough blood and treasure, the handwriting will be on the wall. Reports that both Russia and Iran are already talking to the Taliban suggest that they see a Taliban takeover as inevitable.

Should Trump announce any timetable for withdrawal, it would send shock waves through the Afghan government, army and society.

Any awareness that their great superpower ally was departing, now or soon, or refusing to invest more after 15 years, would be a psychological blow from which President Ashraf Ghani’s government might not recover.

What would a Taliban victory mean?

The Afghan people, especially those who cast their lot with us, could undergo something like what befell the South Vietnamese and Cambodians in 1975. It would be a defeat for us almost as far-reaching as was the defeat for the Soviet Union, when the Red Army was forced to pull out after a decade of war in the 1980s.

For the USSR, that Afghan defeat proved a near-fatal blow.

And if we pulled up stakes and departed, the exodus from Afghanistan would be huge and we would face a moral crisis of how many refugees we would accept, and how many we would leave behind to their fate.

Fifteen years ago, some of us argued that an attempt to remake Afghanistan and Iraq in our image was utopian folly, almost certain, given the history and culture of the entire region, to fail.

Yet we plunged in.

In 2001, it was Afghanistan. In 2003, we invaded and occupied Iraq. Then we attacked Libya and ousted Gadhafi. Then we intervened in Syria. Then we backed the Saudi war to crush the Houthi rebels in Yemen.

Given the trillions sunk and lost, and the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, dead, how have we benefited ourselves, or these peoples?

As Rusk said, “We are there and we are committed.”

And the inevitable departure of the United States from the Middle East, which is coming, just as the British, French and Soviet empires had to depart, will likely do lasting damage to the American soul.

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CCRider
CCRider
June 2, 2017 7:24 am

Not that the will of the American people means jack but Pat is, once again, correct. Americans want out of this mess-which is their tuff shit. Did you hear the smug, vulgar response from Mad Dog Mattis when asked what keeps him up at night? Answer: “Nothing. I keep others up at night.” Ooooohhh what a mon. You’d never guess he’s from an outfit that hasn’t won a war in 7 decades and is getting his ass kicked by a bunch of pygmies using 1950 small arms fire. Though he is doing a bang up job protecting those poppies. But don’t think the facts matter. Pat’s hero, Dickie Nixon, was elected to end the Vietnam mess and took 5 years doing so finding “peace with honor” while 35,000 American lives were lost (not to mention perhaps a million collaterally damaged Vietnamese souls) for no fucking reason at all. Expect the same here.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
June 2, 2017 7:47 am

Some day, they will ask: Is America a Lost Cause?

Keep importing 7th century, inbred, unskilled, 70 IQ barbarians that have memorized the Koran (kill the infidel) but can’t count to ten.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
June 2, 2017 8:01 am

Get out now. I was there in 2012 and it was a mess. I was in the so-called Green Zone, or Ring of Steel, most of the time and we could not leave our compound (fortress) unless we had a rifle and traveled in a five-level armored car. The presidential palace, a U.S. Army base, ISAF hqs, the German Embassy and other heavily fortified places were literally right next door and it was too dangerous to walk to them. I realized the situation was hopeless a week after I got there. The last guy out can turn off the lights. Oh, that’s right. No electricity most of the time.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
June 2, 2017 8:26 am

Military and diplomatic foreign intervention has done Jack shit for average Americans in my lifetime . A free democratic middle eastern country means nothing to average Americans . Like a Israel and Palestine average Americans gain nothing from intervening in those civil affairs . Iraq , Iran and Afghanistan are all quagmires where America plays world policeman and lose blood and treasure for what ? A Mosque somewhere in middle America that helps plant seeds of jhiad in our own country , well done ! Since every foreign intervention since Korea as been meet with abject failure ! This must be the real plan . Bankrupt us , starve us , indebt us and slowly kill us and if that doesn’t work our government has strengthened the police forces enough and weakened the bill of rights enough our just doing my job enforcers will finish us off with arrest asset forfeiture or a bullet . Make no mistake it can happen here !

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 2, 2017 8:56 am

This doesn’t deal directly with Afghanistan but it certainly deals with the winning and losing of wars.

It’s an hour and a half long but well worth the time to watch it sometime instead of some inane leftist Hollywood production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGHLOGx9MUU

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  Anonymous
June 2, 2017 2:49 pm

I read the art of war regularly , it’s not an easy book to absorb but the principles taught are basic common sense of cause and effect . In history nearly every military commander that followed Sun Tzu’s instruction succeeded and those who did not failed . Robert E. Lee ignored one of his high ranking advisors who was a student of Sun Tzu’s Art of War at Gettysburg . The North Vietnamese Supreme Commander followed Sun Tzu’s teaching General Westmoreland ignored it . It’s as simple as that !

Dutchman
Dutchman
June 2, 2017 9:20 am

They make good falafels, and shawarma pita sandwiches. Maybe turn the country into an amusement park – guys with turbans, running the rides. And they would be really good with fireworks.

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 2, 2017 9:40 am

Of course it is a lost cause. USA has not fought to win any war since WWII. Whether the war is just or not is another question. War is hard but it is not complicated. To win you simply kill the shit out of the other side until they stop fighting . Collateral damage and rules of engagement be damned.
Chase them to the ends of the earth and kill them. The Genghis Khan method works.

We have to be willing to win and we are not.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  overthecliff
June 2, 2017 11:13 am

Coincides with Truman playing General of the Military; all subsequent administrations followed suit.
Don’t let real generals run the war = lose the war.

Ed
Ed
  overthecliff
June 2, 2017 1:56 pm

Where do you get this “we” shit?

parsonanonemouse
parsonanonemouse
June 2, 2017 11:36 am

Is afghanistan a lost cause?
Is sand a shitty food?

bluestem
bluestem
June 2, 2017 12:08 pm

Build a wall around it, let no one in or out, and let the last man standing have it all for themselves . John

fleabaggs
fleabaggs
June 2, 2017 12:47 pm

Synthetic Opiates will render the joint useless to us pretty soon. Watch Venezuela for the next drug and oil war and 20 million refugees much closer than Syria.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  fleabaggs
June 2, 2017 1:51 pm

So far, the Venezuelan people seem to be ready and willing to actually stand and fight for their country, to take it back from the current Marxist dictatorship and restore the freedom and prosperity of their pre socialist days.

Wish we were willing to do the same here, but sadly we aren’t. It”s easier to gripe, bitch and surrender than stand up and fight (either politically or on the street, as the case may be).

Maggie
Maggie
June 2, 2017 12:48 pm

I wrote a long and meaningful post, then lost it. So now I’ll summarize.

A decade working for various government contractors while these two “nonwars” were ongoing taught me that the big corporations running our country do not give a shit about blood treasure. Dead soldiers are just a part of the price the government asswipes are willing to pay to enjoy the perks of having their corporations build more weapons for them to play with.

I said it a lot more eloquently before, but in the long run, truth is truth.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
June 2, 2017 1:37 pm

Well said Maggie.
Fleabaggs

prusmc
prusmc
  Maggie
June 3, 2017 8:54 am

In 98, 99 and 2000 there was talk about the repression of women by the Taliban in some of the media. If I remember correctly, Jay Leno’s wife was frequently bringing their vile behavior to US public attention. People were horrified but pretty much took the position sure they are dastardly brutes to their women , but those are THEiR women. No groundswell of support for military action to emancipate the females. Then Bin Laden and 09/11 and now we are coming up on 16 years of expeditionary activity what reason can there be to add 50,000 -100,000 troops as some experts recommend and plan on staying another 16 years? I am far from a pacifist but I know we do not have the stomach to do what is needed to win in Afghanistan. What ever is defined as a win?

General
General
June 2, 2017 2:47 pm

All the wars since world war 2 were not fought to win them. The goal was war itself. Eisenhower warned us decades ago, but too many people just didn’t listen.

Miles Long
Miles Long
June 2, 2017 2:48 pm

“For the USSR, that Afghan defeat proved a near-fatal blow.”

But they got out in time. Or did they? Once the dominoes start falling it’s hard to stop. It was less than a decade after that quagmire ended that the USSR dissolved.

Famous last words… It cant happen here. Maybe we’re so exceptional it wont happen to us. Maybe not though.

Mike Murray
Mike Murray
June 2, 2017 3:56 pm

Get the fuck out.

Kelly the Deplorable
Kelly the Deplorable
June 2, 2017 10:10 pm

We have a saying in the restaurant industry when talking about people and/or situations that can’t be resolved to the satisfaction of both parties involved…

#GTFOH
“Get the fuck outta here”

Obviously food and bullets are 2 very different ways to disagree, but I think the saying still applies.

Ed
Ed
June 2, 2017 11:18 pm

re- #GTFOH:

A polak and a mick and a hebe walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, “Get the fuck outta here”.

Thank you. Thankyewverramuch.

Bryant Cochran
Bryant Cochran
June 3, 2017 6:40 am

Ron Paul said “We just walked in, we should just walk out”

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
June 3, 2017 10:45 pm

If you aren’t going to fight to win, you should not have started.
That being said, a loss (withdrawal) here might be a win – the Taliban burned down the poppy fields, and kept them from being replanted. This would cut off a major source of off-the-books funding for the CIA.
Just a thought …

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 3, 2017 10:48 pm

Armies used to kill the men, kidnap the women and children, and then loot and burn the whole enemy area. Liberals have even totally screwed up something as simple as war.

artbyjoe
artbyjoe
June 13, 2017 11:38 am

bring them home, alive.