Guest Post by Martin Armstrong
At least 58 people are feared to have died in the fire that engulfed Grenfell Tower this past week. Prime Minister Theresa May admitted that the government response was appalling. There is mounting anger growing that many are saying that people were told to stay in their apartments and died as a result. They are also exposing the fact that there were no sprinklers to combat the fire. On top of that, many see this as a plot to get them out of a rich neighborhood.
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The building is a government property managed by Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO) which was formed in 1996. KCTMO manages 9,459 properties for the council, according to its business plan, and is the largest tenant management organisation in England. It was refurbished last year but no sprinkler system was installed. The issue here is similar to the World Trade Center crisis. In both cases, we are looking at government owned properties. If such properties were privately owned, the management would be thrown in prison. Because we are looking at government ownership, no such outcome is likely. Government can avoid building codes to save money that no private construction company could possible get away with.
The people are turning this into a rich v poor issue rather than looking a bit deeper.
This is another example of just how corrupt government has become.
When you consider yourself a ‘subject’ you shut up and follow orders. May will feel your pain and the queen will congratulate you on your resolve. That’s enough. Now bury your dead and ‘carry on’. After all if you succumb to hatred, the fire wins.
Were there a lot of Muslims in there? If so, couldn’t be all bad.
I noticed after the fire most of the protesters looked middle eastern. It appears this may have been one of their vertical refugee camps.
Smells like shawarma sandwich. Did the firefighters have any cucumber sauce to go with that?
Interesting, I was unaware the WTC was government owned.
I believe that the port authority owned the land & leased it to the developer/building owner.
That’s because in economic substance it was not government owned.
I think TampaRed’s comment is correct. In big cities and commercial real estate it’s common to have a 99-year lease, which is intended to allow effective ownership for the entire useful life of a building. You can also do that with somewhat shorter leases. It’s misleading to say that WTC problems were a result of nominal government ownership.
Putting low income third world people in government owned high rise buildings you invite problems. When the management is responding to EU ‘green directives’ to reduce the building CO2 footprint you get Grenfell Towers.
I used to occassionally be sent out to give a ‘tutorial’ on how to operate a gas stove, furnace and other appliances to stone age refugees Catholic charities had sponsored for resettlement in the US. As I did not speak Subsaharan languages it was monkey see/monkey do type instruction to these people and hope for the best. The apartments they lived in were old and had standing pilot lights so my main effort to was to familiarize them with what gas smelled like and to call us if they smelled it. Grenfell Towers had gas appliances though it is alleged the fire broke out on the fourth floor from a faulty refrigerator. We shall see.
What was obvious was the buildings recently retrofitted exterior cladding caught fire and spread the flames to the upper floors. These insulating claddings had already caused some spectacular fires on some serious modern skyscrapers in Dubai so the problem was known but these were modern and high dollar buildings so the cladding fires did not penetrate into the building interiors.
The retrofit at Grenfell Towers was carried out by the Kensington and Chelsea Metro Town council who are just local political activists. Buildings are designed, engineered and approved using well understood technologies and materials available at the time they are built. A major retrofit undertaken by a unqualified local council might be better called a ‘major misfit’ as changing one aspect of an original design will affect other characteristics of the building and invites Murphy’s law to come into play. It appears that not only was the cladding not fire proof, the installation of new water pipes breached building fire walls and allowed the fire to enter the building interior.
I’ve seen this happen often in apartment buildings having new cable, lighting or fiber optic lines installed. The Verizon or Comcast guy goes up into the attic and cuts holes in the firewalls to string his cables. He doesn’t go back to seal them. Not his job and no one notices until there is a fire.
I have literally never heard of a fridge exploding and starting a fire. I can only imagine that WTC7 and Grenfell Tower shared the same fridge vendor. /sarc
Commentators elsewhere noted that many of the inhabitants cooked with charcoal grills inside their apartments, for whatever reason, and that the fire started at the time that Muslims would be cooking a standard Ramadan past-midnight meal. Assuming that the fire was accidental, which does seem likely, the accident probably did not involve a random fridge doing something all but unheard of for fridges to do.
Warning to half a million families as deadly fridge freezer causes tower block inferno.
Beko products involved in one death and 15 injuries, 6 July 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011322/Beko-fridge-freezer-recall-Bermondsey-tower-block-warning-half-million-families.html
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-09-26/fridge-freezer-fire-to-blame-for-fathers-death-inquest-rules/
Q – What do you call 58 incinerated muslims in the UK?
A – A decent start.
And I just read over on Drudge that a van plowed down a bunch of pedestrians outside a mosque in London.
So now the death toll of Muslims in the UK is beginning to rise. Interesting.
Does London have building codes? That building couldn’t be more than 30-40 years old. In the US, it would have had sprinklers if it had been built in 1900.
Z – sprinklers were effectively unheard of in apartment buildings before the 1940s. Commercial buildings almost exclusively.
Further, in 1998, apartment buildings in NYC did not have to have sprinklers. Not sure of current status. So your smug answer is, well, unwarranted. Further, regs requiring sprinklers in apart. buildings in US only began to be introduced in the 1970s.
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/30/nyregion/new-requirement-for-sprinklers-in-apartment-buildings-is-likely.html
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/orlando-sentinel/20170618/281672549935763
Only 1% of public apartment buildings in UK have a sprinkler system.
They’re having protests over this in London.
They sound like they are all suffering from pyrophobia. Only a small fraction of fires incinerate people, but these protestors are unfairly painting all fires as dangerous.
I invite all leftists and muslims in the UK to take the petrol-road flare challenge, and fight pyrophobia – by dousing themselves in petrol and then igniting a road flare.
“Grenfell Tower Fires Exposes Government Corruption”
Sure in the fuck does, in that it’s still standing after burning for a day. Yet 3 buildings on 9/11 “collapsed due to fires and jet fuel blah blah blah”. Two of the buildings burned for only a few hours and the 3rd burned for like 8 or 10 hours…then collapsed even tough it was a hardened building and wasn’t hit by an aluminum tube doing 500mph.