The Money Pit

Guest Post by Eric Peters

People made fun of cars like the Vega and Chevette – but at least GM made money on them. And when GM stopped making money on cars like them, it stopped trying to sell them.

They got cancelled and replaced.

Profitability used to determine whether a car remained in production.

Of course, those were the Old Days – when the car business wasn’t a government-supported, politically-motivated crony capitalist enterprise, as it is today.

Today, profits don’t matter. Grotesque losses are embraced – probably because GM (and the rest of the industry) knows that the government – read, you and me – will eventually end up with the bill, so not to worry.

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And so it is not a huge surprise to read that the financial services company UBS – doing a little due diligence, as it were – announced that GM is probably losing about $7,400 per “sale” of its new Bolt electric car.

Better double that, UBS.

At least.

The finance guys at UBS say that about $9,000 of the Bolt’s $36,620 base price is accounted for by the “premium” incurred by its all-electric drivetrain; that is, by its battery pack, electric motors and peripherals. But that doesn’t quite add up: $36,620 less $9,000 is $27,620 – and that is a lot of money for the shell of a compact economy car . . . which is what the Bolt is, regardless of what’s under its hood.

A Chevy Sonic is basically the same thing – if you exclude the parts that make it go.

At 173.9 inches long vs. 164 inches long for the Bolt, it is actually a slightly larger car overall. Both cars have about the same room inside – the Bolt having slightly more backseat legroom (36.5 inches vs. 34.6 for the Sonic) and a bit more trunk space (16.9 cubic feet vs. 14.9 cubic feet for the Sonic).

Neither car is a luxury car. Neither one comes with heated (and 12-way powered) leather seats, carbon fiber trim, a full-length panorama sunroof or a 12-speaker ultra-premium audio system. The features one finds in cars with price tags pushing $40k.

But the Sonic’s base price is $15,145 – which $12,475 less than the alleged cost of the Bolt, once the “premium” of its electric guts is subtracted.

It doesn’t add up.

Other than its electric guts, there is nothing particularly special about the Bolt. It is not an opulently fitted out car.

It is just priced like one.

True, it has a larger LCD touchscreen than the Sonic comes standard with (10.2 inches vs. 7 inches) and it rolls on 17 inch vs. 15 inch wheels. Its standard stereo has six rather four speakers and the Bolt has climate control AC rather than manual control AC.

But none of that is fancy stuff and doesn’t account for a $12,475 price spread.

At most, the nominal upgrades just described might add $2,000 to the price of a car. We are still $10,000 apart.

Actually, we are $21,055 apart.

That is the true differential between the $36,200 Bolt and a $15,145 Sonic – and it is the sum any sane person would take into account when considering the two vehicles. Unless economic considerations no longer apply. In which case, why not just build every man, woman and child in America his or her own personal pyramid, Khufu style?

Here’s what $15k buys…

So what do you get for the additional $21k and change? You get a car with two additional speakers, wheels two inches larger in diameter and almost three inches more touchscreen! Also an extra two-ish inches of backseat legroom and two whole cubic feet of extra trunk space!

Hot dog!

But the really good news is the Bolt can travel about 200 miles under absolutely ideal conditions – neither too hot or too cold and don’t drive very fast, either – before you have to stop to plug it in for a couple of hours to recharge.

At least it has in-car WiFi, so you can check email while you wait.

… and here’s what you can get for $36k.

The Sonic can go 300-400 miles (city/highway) regardless of conditions – and takes maybe five minutes to gas up.

And costs less than half as much.

But, drat, it has a gas-burning engine. That it’s economical and practical and – yes – “clean”  (a Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle, or PZEV, by EPA’s own standards) matters not at all. There is a crusade afoot to get rid of gas-burning engines. Not for any sane reason but for an insane religious one  – the sin of emitting carbon dioxide, which is the ur sin of the Climate Change cult.

Or rather, the excuse.

The pretense used to justify all of this. To bamboozle the booboisie. Which is nothing new under the sun, of course. But this time, hard numbers intrude. GM is absolutely out of its mind to entertain the idea that it can sell Lexus-priced electric economy compacts and remain in business for long.

Depressingly, the entire car industry seems to believe the opposite. This is what happens when profits matter less than subsidies and fatwas.

But hey, not to worry – by 2025, UBS estimates it is “possible” that the Bolt or a car like it will only lose GM about $5,000 or so per “sale” due to new battery designs that lose a bit less money than current designs.

Ever feel like putting on a Napoleon outfit and babbling about Josephine?     

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Anon
Anon
June 22, 2017 5:45 pm

Just a microcosm of government as a whole. The only reason ANY of this; Healthcare, cars, banking, housing…insert modern TBTF industry here – still even exists, is because of the wholesale nationalization – yes nationalization of these industries by the Fed in 2008. All of the biggest of these companies are still upright due to them being favored, and their stocks / bonds being purchased by the Fed through TARP, QE 1, 2, 3 and the balance sheet ballooning to 4 trillion in less than a decades time.
This was just a back door nationalization, since if it was a full on, frontal nationalization, WE THE PEOPLE might demand some SAY in what happens.
Let’s see what happens to all of these “industries” were real interest rates to shoot up to historical standards of 6 to 8% for the 10 year. Enjoy the fireworks, and the lines of libtards at the soup kitchens, including Elon Musk.

Arnold Ziffel
Arnold Ziffel
  Anon
June 22, 2017 10:56 pm

Anon – The Federal Reserve also bought up the dodgy loans and assets that had fraud involved by the Wall Street wizards. That would make it a co-conspirator to the greatest ponzi scheme ever created.

Anon
Anon
  Arnold Ziffel
June 23, 2017 11:23 am

Exactly Arnold – I will take that a little further as well. The reason why the Wall Street “wizards” were bailed out of those bad loans comes down to government debt. See, by law (not that they matter much anymore, but at the time anyway) the Fed is not allowed to directly purchase government debt, they must go through the “public”. Well, the public just happens to be the primary dealers, which just happens to be the very same fraudsters that walked in the biggest ponzi scheme ever. See, if the government would have let the primary dealers fail, there would have been no direct way (without breaking the law) that the Fed could have monetized the 20 Trillion (at the time around 12 Trillion) of national debt, and we would have had a forced debt ceiling “debate”. Unlike the ones we have had since (nothing but Kabuki theater), this one would have had a hard limit, and would really have mattered. I suspect that was the real conversation that Paulson had with the senators in that famous closed door session, and that is the real reason why the TARP vote happened again, against most Americans wishes. The crooks in the imperial city saw an end to the gravy train, and that scared them far more than “tanks in the streets” and all that other nonsense we were fed as to why banksters can’t be indicted.
The TBTF primary dealers have WE THE PEOPLE by the short hairs, and literally have the politicians in their back pockets. Unless, of course you believe for one second that the politicians don’t like money and power…..

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
June 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Just plain enjoyable to read and to know that our betters in Gov’t care about us.
Mr. Peters the car guru.

Taint Boil
Taint Boil
June 22, 2017 8:39 pm

Electric cars are charged with electricity produced in coal burning power plants …. too funny.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Taint Boil
June 22, 2017 9:39 pm

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Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
June 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Save the World with an electric battery operated tiny car. All the discomfort and lack of head room in a downsized piece of crap, made expensive with a giant rechargeable battery. Save an owl, screw a gas station and pay the cost of a sports utility vehicle for the kind of crap a hobo might drive. If you care about the Earth, you have to buy a car that has people laughing. The Future is now, and you’re not innit.
Electric Yugo, from GM: Goobermint Motors.

Rossa
Rossa
June 23, 2017 6:44 am

James Delingpole on Breitbart writing about the CO2 emissions created by manufacturing the batteries compared with driving a car with a combustion engine. From 2.7 years for a Nissan Leaf to over 8 years for a Tesla.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/

Flying Monkey
Flying Monkey
  Rossa
June 23, 2017 7:18 am

I saw that comment that the Tesla battery took longer than the Leaf to breakeven on the CO2 balance.

I am a mechanical engineer. I was in a Fakebook discussion with a German yesterday and was doing some background googling on recharging and electrical capacities.

What I found surprising was the Nissam Leaf was rated at around 187 Whr/hr where as the EPA rating for a Tesla was around 207 Whr/km. That is only 11% difference versus the claim it takes almost 3 times longer to break even on the CO2. There was recently an article about a contrast where a Tesla got 901 Km with a 100,000 Whr battery. (111 Whr/km) They only averaged 38 kmh or 24 mph though (901 km in 23 hr, 45 min).

If the Tesla got 554 Whr/kr, then the claim would make sense but it seems not to be three times as wasteful. (assuming you drive both conservatively) The only way to make that claim work is to have the battery life much shorter on the Tesla than on the Leaf.

A rule of thumb years ago was the a Li-Ion batter lost at least 10% of its capacity each year just to natural desegregation. (.9)^8 = 43%

http://pushevs.com/2016/11/23/electric-cars-range-efficiency-comparison/

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
June 23, 2017 7:49 am

The welfare state is always criticized when you describe it with the single mother of 6 getting EBT card (40% of Walmarts income) section 8 rent voucher (welfare for landlords owning non performing properties profitable and a back door property tax subsidy to local governments) school meal programs for underprivileged (taxpayer support for catering contracts for food and meal suppliers) medicaid (welfare for the healthcare industry to allow price fixing and collusion among providers from hospitals to drug companies) and then we get to TARP and the auto industry , TARP and the finance and investment industry . And the biggest whore of all the Military Industrial Complex with the revolving doors from Wall Street to K-Street to Capital Street to the Pentagon . All combining their efforts to continually have a war on any thing that moves ! War on drugs , poverty , homelesssness and on and on ! Billions and billions spent with no marked improvements at all ! It’s all bull shit but it’s Diamond studded Zircon encrusted shit !
Our government representitives bailed out the very people that wrecked every thing they touched for their own gain and handed the bill to the American citizens that were injured the most by the bottom feeding parasites that caused it .
I referenced whores , my apologies to you ladies of the evening , At least you provide a service at a mutually agreed price . Your honor and integrity at least on that point is without question !
Unlike Tesula that without taxpayers kicking in several thousand dollars per unit that company would be in the shitter !

Gloriously Deplorable Paul
Gloriously Deplorable Paul
  Boat Guy
June 23, 2017 1:12 pm

Dang, Boat Guy- that’s gold right there. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth suitable to fit on a 3×5 index card.
Very well done, sir!

TC
TC
June 23, 2017 9:28 am

Funny. Last year Wired magazine had this multi-page article on what a fantastic car the bolt was going to be and how fuckin’ awesome the new female head of GM was for pushing it. I was left scratching my head because it wasn’t until the last page of the article that they even had a sliver of a photo of what the butt-ugly thing even looked like. I love Wired because I don’t have to go hunting around the internet for the powers-that-be, alt-prog propaganda of the day is; no, they deliver it right to my mailbox every month.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 23, 2017 11:55 am

I just discovered RINs. What a scam!

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
June 23, 2017 2:14 pm

I never understood how an electric drivetrain should cost more than a gasoline one. It is actually simpler, and should be cheaper. (Aside from the battery itself of course.)

Flying Monkey
Flying Monkey
  Iconoclast421
June 24, 2017 9:13 am

It might be more expensive now since the volumes aren’t there. If a design becomes standard it should be able to beat the plethora of engines and transmission on the market. There should be fewer parts and it should be better standardized than engines. Not to mention the parts for two different types of engines; diesel and gasoline.

I worked for Bosch and there were injectors for specific motor sizes, usually only distinguished by a throttle to change the flow slightly. But still it was a separate part number that had to be administered.

I do not think we have had time to move down on the learning curve to see the real results yet. I worked at first at GE electric motors. Engines require much more complex and complicated process and controls. Between the valves, the cylinders, all the bearings and just the grinding need in a common rail injector, the processing of an electric motor is far less complex.

If they can just standardized on a frame size and personalize it with the winding (wire diameter number of turns) , like a motor family, they can really squeeze the costs out.

Bosch sells the same ABS format over and over and personalizes the hydraulic unit with different throttles. That really drives down the costs.

They need have drives like ABS. A format is made and it is used in dozens of vehicles and by multiple Auto manufacturers. Each car company will not have the economies of scale to make their own drive system if they really want to bring costs down where they could go.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
June 23, 2017 2:51 pm

Given what the US government did on behalf of the big three in response to the success and clearly superior talent of Tucker back in the 40s, I would say that crony capitalism in this industry is WAY older than the Vega or the Chevette. Although I will agree with all of Eric’s other points.

Longtimber
Longtimber
June 23, 2017 3:14 pm

It’s all execution – check out Waren Buffett’s BYD
http://www.byd.com/la/auto/e6.html
$8000 USD for an EV in China.
Eat ya heart out Elon, No Colbolt in Li Fe Phosphate ( LFP) Batteries.
EV’s are also rolling Distributed Power Stations.
Utilities are spending $$ to regulate V2G – Vehicle to Grid tech.