Dissident Politics

Guest Post by The Zman

To start the year, I made the rather obvious prediction that the coalition of weirdos that willed Donald Trump into the White House would succumb to infighting and begin to break apart and splinter. This was a no-brainer, as fringe politics tends to attract weirdos and weirdos tend not to get along with other weirdos. Often, people are attracted to these movements over one issue. They find out that their new friends have a whole list of other issues that don’t match up with everyone else. That breeds conflict.

There’s also a “giant among midgets” phenomenon, where someone can be a star in a small group and outgrow their hat. In the mass media age, it’s easy to start thinking you’re a big deal when you see your social media profile grow and the calls from media people start coming.This was obvious with Milo who started thinking he was bulletproof. He had gotten away with so much that he thought he could say anything. It did not take long before he pissed off the wrong people.


Then you have the fact that political coalitions are temporary. Many people voted for Trump because they hated Clinton, so they were willing to look past the cartoon frogs and Hitler memes. Now, not so much. Then there is the fact that there is money to be made in politics. Lots of money. A racket like the Oath Keepers is a business that used to be able to peddle themselves as an edgy opposition group. The new groups turning up and battling the Left make the geezers at Oath Keepers look silly. That’s bad for business.

Of course, the Dissident Right is suddenly hip. If you look at the sites and events catering to us, you see lots of young males, which is resulting in lots of young females, because biology. Once young people get into something, even a small thing, it attracts people hoping to ride the wave to riches. That inevitably leads to the purists complaining that their thing has gone commercial along with accusations that the leaders are selling out. You see some of that with guys like Mike Cernovich.

Anyway, things have reached a boiling point with Mike Cernovich and Richard Spencer denouncing one another on-line. Vox Day got into this a little bit the other day in one of his periscope things. For those who don’t follow this stuff, there was a free speech rally in DC last weekend. The organizer invited Spencer and that led to Cerno and the alt-lite guys having a counter rally. Cernovich then made a bunch of wild claims on-line about who did what and a purse fight ensued. It’s all a bit silly, but these things always are to outsiders.

The main problem for all of these guys is the leaders, wannabe leaders and personalities are simply not very good at politics and public relations. That’s common in outsider politics. The two big political parties are good at grooming and selecting people so they can put on a good show for the public. Outsider movements have no systems for doing this so it means the first wave of leaders and personalities are often just the first people to step up to the podium. Spencer registered the domain, so he’s the leader of the alt-right.

All these guys squabbling with one another will inevitably be pushed aside by people who are better at organizing and better at presenting themselves and their arguments to the public. Pax Dickinson, the guy behind Counter.Fund, often makes this point. Most of these people got into this stuff by accident and events carried them to prominent roles. In time, new people will come along who will know how to avoid the petty squabbling and figure out how to impose discipline without alienating the people with big egos.

The bigger issue, as Vox Day points out regularly, is that the alt-lite faction has no future, because it has no logical reason to exist. Civic nationalism sounds good to the younger people, who are fans of McInnes and Cernovich, because they don’t remember the 1980’s when the Buckley crowd were civic nationalists. The lesson of the Reagan years is that civic nationalism has no way to defend itself against the Left. Once you agree to the blank slate argument, you inevitably have to agree to the rest of the Progressive moral order.

The alt-right is not without their problems. The vision Richard Spencer has for a white ethno-state strikes most people, including me, as a bit ridiculous. In fact, the idea of a world wide honky awakening is absurd. Most people engage in culture debate in framework of politics and they are just not going to sign off on a political agenda that strikes them as fantasy. The Libertarian Party has proved this fact beyond any debate and their fantasy land is more realistic than the honky paradise offered by Spencer.

The thing the alt-right has working in their favor is reality. In a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society, people vote their skin. That’s the lesson of history. Humans are tribal and hierarchical. That’s the lesson of biology. As whites in America come to realize their decreasing numbers, relative to the rest of society, white solidarity will naturally evolve and develop into a political order. The exact contours of how this plays out are open for debate, but in the end, Charles Murray was right. Racial politics is the future in the US.

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
June 29, 2017 8:05 am

Call me naive, but I don’t think that holding to a degree of racial realism and forswearing absolute racial egalitarianism (blank slate-ism) binds a person to a racial solidarity movement or pure race-based politics. With my political philosophy being generally conservative, I understand that many minorities will tend to disagree with me, for both historical and practical reasons, but when individuals agree with me, I’m not going to shun then because of their ethnicity. The fact that intelligence isn’t distributed equally among the races may influence where I want to live, but it’s best – when possible – to assess individuals individually. It still seems possible to stake out your politics based on your principles and accept fellow adherents without regard to their race, while recognizing that a generalized correlation by race is probable.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
June 29, 2017 8:51 am

Zman is talking out of his ass. It was not a “coalition of weirdos” that elected Trump. It was the core American population, fed up with leftists, “Progressives” Marxists, and useless mainstream Republicans. As for that “coalition” falling apart, WAT? No evidence of that at all. The vast majority of the people who supported Trump still do. The people who hate him hated him in November 2016. As for the “Alt-Right” and other so-called “fringe” groups, it is the “normal” Boobus Americanus that is fading. The Alt-Right, as edgy as it seems, is merely the leading wave of a sea change in this country. The old political mainstream, the old mass media, all of the institutions and people who have put us in our current mess, are discredited and it gets worse for them every day. The fact that it seems like Trump is an actor in a scene from the Animal House food fight is because he is trying to challenge the inertia of the existing power structure. Once an “elite” (and in the American context I use that term with a dose of humor) has to fight to maintain itself in power, the game is essentially over. No, Zman, there will be no return to the staus quo ante election 2016.

texas 2 step
texas 2 step
  Southern Sage
June 29, 2017 12:19 pm

yes, this dude knows nothing, we are here and we are not going away, we built this great nation, our fathers and grandfathers and greatgreat grandfathers fought, bled and Swore an Oath to defend the constitution of the United States Against All Enemies both Foreign and Domestic , so understand !

Diogenes
Diogenes
June 29, 2017 9:15 am

“Many people voted for Trump because they hated Clinton, so they were willing to look past the cartoon frogs and Hitler memes.” Fuck you Zman!! Long live Kekistan and Pepe (Kek bless his soul) the prophet!

Suzanna
Suzanna
June 29, 2017 9:44 am

We are in a “discovery phase” and it is
good that people are speaking out. We
that voted for Trump did so because he was
the opposing candidate to The Clinton Foundation
Crime Syndicate.
Perhaps we might have to scrap the two party-
one party political system and go for a multi-
party system. It would be good to have a change.

It is too bad that “alt-right” is a squabble fest,
but people are not used to speaking out and
exposing the truth/or hearing that stuff. Some
of the ego laden operators are making fools of
themselves with their pettiness and infighting.
They will sort themselves out eventually.
Thanks Z,
some of your comments are well worth noting.
What we need is cooperation born of intelligence.
Let us hope better minds will prevail.

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 29, 2017 10:47 am

Once again Zman, the Don Rickles of political commentary, has a lot of critical adjectives and divisive comments aimed at Conservatives. I’m gonna crap my pants if he ever attacks his own like he does us. I suspect he is part of the paid Red-herring Brigade (look at the Right, look at all those stupid Honkies screwing things up again). Trump is constantly under attack from the left and RINOs like nobody before, including Joe McCarthy and Nixon; and they are undermining the Economy like termites. But Trump and Conservatives are like The Untouchables: one by one the Fellow Traveler Traitors, Criminals and Liars are going face the Facts and the Founding Father’s Constitutional Laws.

Captain America
Captain America
June 29, 2017 11:20 am

Zman is John McCain, but with the ability of rudimentary use of a keyboard. Another Soros shill, who is in fact himself a Jesuit/Rothschild shill, two factions that would look lovely with their heads mounted on London Bridge.

I have a simple belief system, and do not require phony “articulate Kennedy School of Gubermint” pansies to refine it or constrain it. I believe in free markets, free ideas, and not making genders or races with higher IQ feel guilty that they can apply that intellect, and also exhibit far greater impulse control.

Bolshevism is Judaism. All we need to know.

Mustang
Mustang
June 29, 2017 11:26 am

My goodness, half of the country voted for Trump, are they all “Weirdos”?!

larry morris
larry morris
June 29, 2017 12:10 pm

well eat a shit sandwitch, damn .

Rdawg
Rdawg
  larry morris
June 29, 2017 1:19 pm

You first, lar.

unit472
unit472
June 29, 2017 12:28 pm

Step back from the trees and look at the forest. Things are going as predicted. Today Aetna pulled its HQ out of Hartford, Connecticut leaving behind the rotting carcass of a city that is 40% black and 30% Hispanic.

However much the negro shouts and carries on in public he is being left behind in the ruins of his own creation and the Democratic party owns these desolate enclaves that are growing into entire states.

AC
AC
June 29, 2017 3:04 pm

In fact, the idea of a world wide honky awakening is absurd.

Ridiculous. Completely. Utterly inconceivable. Except that it’s actually taking place.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
June 29, 2017 3:53 pm

We are all capable of deceiving ourselves, to a point. A gangster murders the neighbor’s son four doors down; well, obviously, that’s a crime and a loss but I live in a nice neighborhood, we all know each other, the neighbor’s son might have been doing drugs and got caught in a bad situation, you know how these things go. It’s never happened here before, and won’t happen again.
After you attend the twelfth funeral, you have a cognitive dissonance problem now that you CAN’T ignore. When the gangsters moved in, unobserved, you had an excuse for not knowing but now you don’t. The neighborhood is no longer safe, no longer nice, and you live in a war zone. YOUR kids aren’t safe either.
White civilization is waking up to the gang problems around them. When you can’t ignore it any longer, you will be forced to take action. What action you take will determine whether you, your children and their children live or die. Choose wisely.

deplorably stanley
deplorably stanley
June 29, 2017 8:44 pm

The annoying Vox Day and the even more annoying Cernovich will end up like Abbie Hoffman and Tom Hayden when the spotlight stops. They’ll be selling life insurance somewhere, forgotten and useless. Richard Spencer is just fringe white supremacist nutjob that nobody cares about, even now.

They’re all riding the coattails of Trump who needs them for nothing. They will soon fade away into well deserved obscurity. Guarantee it.

TampaRed
TampaRed
June 29, 2017 10:02 pm

A bit off topic but many are awakening to the abuses of the Federal govt.
An FBI agent has been indicted in Oregon for what occurred during the LaVoy Finicum shooting.

https://personalliberty.com/fbi-agent-indicted-relation-lavoy-finicum-shooting/

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  TampaRed
June 30, 2017 11:05 pm

Not to be disagreeable, but Len Horiuchi was indicted in Idaho. If HE ever gets justice, I might begin to believe in the rule of law in America again.

http://www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html

middle-aged mad gnome
middle-aged mad gnome
June 30, 2017 6:18 am

“To start the year, I made the rather obvious prediction that the coalition of weirdos that willed Donald Trump into the White House would succumb to infighting and begin to break apart and splinter.”

The first sentence highlights two things we should understand and take into account: We, the voters, are the true enemy and our disunity is the only thing that is stopping us from defeating the left.