It’s another day, and we get a new story about how dire the climate threat is and that it is unambiguous that humans are a significant cause.
What is rarely noted in these articles is actual facts that support the theory. I would love to see actual temperature data for each decade for the last 150 years, including where the measuring stations are located. It would be especially interesting to see rural data where cement and asphalt don’t inflate the temperature. It should also always be noted that a “Little Ice Age” ended in 1715 and that some warming would be normal.
Why don’t we see a list of storms, droughts, and floods from each decade to show the trend? Even if there is some sort of a trend, how would it be attributed to humans, since the climate has always changed through billions of years when humans and fossil fuels could have had no effect?
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It would be good to see a sample of sea levels throughout the world for each year for the last 150 years. A sample of 100 spots throughout the world may give us a reasonable average for comparison. My guess is that they don’t take actual measurements.
Instead of facts, these articles always give us theoretical predictions. I would ask the reporters how many previous predictions of the last 30 or 100 years have been accurate. I can’t think of any. Why should we believe the new predictions?
We were told after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 that hurricanes would be more frequent and stronger than ever. Instead, we have had more than eleven years where hurricanes have been mild to nonexistent. Tornado activity has also been lower than normal, so why are we told that storms are getting more extreme?
We were told that the three-year drought in California was caused by humans, fossil fuels, and CO2, yet it ended with record snowfall and precipitation. Few reporters seem curious as to how it ended. The correct answer is that droughts always come and go. Humans do not cause them or cause them to stop.
A couple of recent stories that got little if any coverage by the Associated Press and media in general were that people in Australia manipulated temperature data because actual data didn’t support the warming predicted by computer models. We have seen repeated manipulations in this vein, yet somehow Democrats, including those in the media, have little interest in the obvious fraud.
In Greenland, ice is thickening. Has CO2 decided to stop warming Greenland?
Stories that don’t support the theory are essentially buried.
I am amazed at how little curiosity reporters have with actual climate facts while instead they just repeat what they are told and chastise anyone who dares question the supposed settled science.
Maybe reporters could list out all the previous climate predictions that have been true. The oceans were supposed to have died a while back, the ice has been gone in the Arctic since the 1920s, and the coastal cities have disappeared a couple times at least. Did I miss all that when it happened?
It is tremendously hard to take politicians who can’t spend within their budget, can’t fix a health bill, can’t handle Veteran Administration lines, can’t pass tax reform, who have run up $20 trillion in debt, who have the arrogance to say that if the public just hands them trillions of dollars, they can control temperatures, storms, and sea levels forever. There are a lot of suckers out there.
I agree with you. The NE should get a foretaste of the coming Mini-Ice Age this Winter (not fully due until about 2030) and that should wake up a few Useful Idiots that TPTB want them ignorant and unprepared so they starve and freeze. The paid government climatologist can’t all be stupid. One day we should have Nuremberg Trials for the traitor bureaucrats and scientist.
The NE should get a taste of the coming Mini-Ice Age (due about 2030) and that should wake up some Useful Idiots that TPTB are purposely lying so the GOY will be caught unprepared and freeze and starve. The scientist can’t be so stupid. One day we should have Nuremberg like trials for the guilty bureaucrats and scientist; the TV weathermen will claim they were only following orders.
Thank you Mr. Heltner. You have only scratched the surface, but this is a worthwhile statement to make in the face of ‘settled science’.
Heck, they can’t accurately forecast next WEEKEND, much less the next decade.
I have a climate prediction. It will Rian sometimes and every so often a drought will take place. I will even go out on a limb and predict some summers will be hotter than others. One more. Winters are like summers some are warmer than others. I have only been alive for 57 years but I bet these things have been occurring for thousands of years. Where is my million dollar Grant to figure that out.
Climate changes, has ALWAYS changed, and will always change as long as there are humans around to notice – and likely afterwards.
What has changed is the number of fraudsters who are trying to make a buck off dire predictions that never arrive, and are unverifiable to begin with.
Teaching logic in schools would defund the fraudsters overnight – which may be why the current emphasis on feelings over facts is so prevalent.
The best weather science on Earth cannot accurately tell me what the weather will be tomorrow let alone years in advance and we’re supposed to trust climate predictions?
My weather forecasts are always correct. My technique could be applied to climate forecasting as well. It goes like this:
“Today there weather will be partly ______ to mostly ______ with a chance of ______.”
Just go outside, look around and fill in the blanks with whatever seems right. Even if you get it wrong once in a while, you’ll still be correct more often that the wx man.
My house is insulated so well that I rarely ever hear rain unless a window is open. One day while working as a concrete finisher I got up and turned on the weather as usual and was told by the wx man that is was a beeeutiful day out there. Funny thing is it was raining so hard I could hear the rain and his office/station was only about 20 blocks away from me. All the fucktard had to do was look outside to get it right. That’s when I developed my never fail weather forecast model and stopped watching the local weather.
Exactly, IS. Humans can’t predict the weather worth a shit, but if you give them enough money, they’ll control it for you. hmmm
The climatistas can’t acknowledge the role the sun plays in Earth’s climate. Why? Because they can’t control it with taxes, wealth redistribution or reeducation camps.
Their failure to acknowledge and accept reality would be humorous if it weren’t so dangerous to the rest of mankind.
This conversation is what happens when people who can’t be bothered to understand something start having opinions about it.
Before we get into predictions and outcomes, let’s clear up a factual error in the article: Greenland ice is not thickening – it’s thinning much faster than scientists thought it would. (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013GL059010/full)
One prediction that climate scientists made was that the Arctic ice cap would shrink and eventually disappear entirely. Total Arctic sea ice extent for the month of September (when it usually reaches its minimum) has declined by 13.3 percent per decade relative to the 1981-2010 average. Are the climate scientists’ predictions being borne out by evidence? Yup. (see https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/155/)
Another prediction was that global land and sea-surface temperatures would increase more or less in tandem with rising levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. See Figure 2.2 here: http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/observed-change#narrative-page-16564.
There are literally thousands more to explore. Not that any of you will bother. You’ve already made up your minds, and can’t be troubled with facts.
Yep. Cherrypick old data from global warming alarmist sites and you can “prove” just about anything. LOL.
Cherrypicking old data? These are *current* assessments from NOAA, NASA, and the scientific journals. Here’s another one from Forbes, a known global warming alarmist site. It’s from March of this year, so maybe the data is too old for you: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/03/15/the-first-climate-model-turns-50-and-predicted-global-warming-almost-perfectly/#2a966846614d.
You people are fucking retards. Do you know what science is?
NOAA/NASA are beholden to Gov’t funding. They use ‘Adjusted’ and ‘Homogenized’ temp data. Go look at the IPCC spaghetti graphs with their 3 projection scenarios; also included are data from weather balloons and satellites.
The IPCC projections are a far cry from reality.
After almost 30 years of ‘The End is Near’ Climate Catastrophe, nothing has changed.
In the last 20 years when CO2 has increased the most in the last 100 years, temps have ‘paused’. IPCC has admitted this. If CO2 was the ‘control knob’ for temps, the last 20 years would have put the earth in an oven – and it didn’t happen.
Crawl back under your rock Phil. Your God predicted Manhatten would be under in the near future (no real loss IMO). So far, no hint of actual increased sea height exists. If it did, low lying areas of FL and even the streets of Venice would be permanently under water by now.
Just go pick 5 pieces of temperature data from your own area and see how the areas around and under those weather monitoring stations has changed. In my area some of them used to be out in open, grassy fields. Today they are surround by big brick buildings and black asphalt parking lots that absorb solar radiation all day and release it all night. Wanna guess if those stations show a temp rise over time? Don’t think the buildings and surface composition makes a difference? What say I stake you out in a grassy field on a hot summer day and stake you out on a hot asphalt surface on a hot summer day then you can tell me what the difference is.
The data used in the model was flawed and worse yet, cherry picked and manipulated to force the people to pay the climate change gods via carbon tax schemes. Real scientists doing real science without an agenda toss out flawed data and re-run the models to discover the truth regardless of what it might be.
phil,i did not click on the article but if the headline is accurate,the story is that the 1st climate model is turning 50,which would be approximately 1967, and it has been accurate.
when i was a teen in the mid 70s it was being predicted that global cooling was occurring and it was not considered a good thing.
did the model from 1967 take that into account?
if it did not take it into account,why the discrepancy and which scientists should we believe?
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