A Letter to My American Friends

Guest Post by The Saker
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Introduction by the Saker: During my recent hurricane-induced evacuation from Florida, I had the pleasure to see some good friends of mine (White Russian emigrés and American Jews who now consider themselves American and who fully buy into the official propaganda about the US) who sincerely think of themselves as liberals, progressives and anti-imperialists. These are kind, decent and sincere people, but during our meeting they made a number of statements which completely contradicted their professed views. After writing this letter to them I realized that there might be many more people out there who, like myself, are desperately trying to open the eye of good but completely misled people about the reality of Empire. I am sharing this letter in the hope that it might maybe offer a few useful talking points to others in their efforts to open the eyes of their friends and relatives.

Dear friends:

During our conversation you stated the following:

  1. The US needs a military
  2. One of the reasons why the US needs a military are regimes like the North Korean one
  3. The US has a right to intervene outside its borders on a) pragmatic and b) moral grounds
  4. During WWII the US “saved Europe” and acquired a moral right to “protect” other friends and allies
  5. The Allies (USSR-US-UK) were morally superior to the Nazis
  6. The Americans brought peace, prosperity and freedom to Europe.
  7. Yes, mistakes were made, but this is hardly a reason to forsake the right to intervene

I believe that all seven of these theses are demonstratively false, fallacies based on profoundly mistaken assumptions and that they all can be debunked by common sense and indisputable facts.

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But first, let me tackle the Delphic maxim “know thyself” as it is, I believe, central to our discussion. For all our differences I think that there are a number of things which you would agree to consider as axiomatically true, including that Germans, Russians, Americans and others are roughly of equal intelligence. They also are roughly equally capable of critical thinking, personal investigation and education. Right? Yet, you will also agree that during the Nazi regime in Germany Germans were very effectively propagandized and that Russians in Soviet Russia were also effectively propagandized by their own propaganda machine. Right? Do you have any reason to suppose that we are somehow smarter or better than those propagandized Germans and Russians and had we been in their place we would have immediately seen through the lies? Could it be that we today are maybe also not seeing through the lies we are being told?

It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place. Crucially, had the Nazis won WWII, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that the German people would have shown much skepticism about the version of history presented in their schools. Not only that, but I would submit that most Germans would also believe that they were free people and that the regime they live under was a benevolent one.

You doubt that?

Just think of the number of Germans who declared that they had no idea how bad the Nazi regime really was. Even Hitler’s personal secretary, Traudl Junge, used that excuse to explain how she could have worked for so many years with Hitler and even like him so much. There is an American expression which says “where I sit is where I stand”. Well, may I ask – where are we sittting and are we so sure that we have an independent opinion which is not defined by where we sit (geographically, politically, socially and even professionally)?

You might ask about all the victims of the Nazi regime, would they not be able to present their witness to the German people and the likes of Traudl Junge? Of course not: the dead don’t speak very much, and their murderers rarely do (lest they themselves end up dead). Oh sure, there would be all sorts of dissidents and political activists who would know the truth, but the “mainstream” consensus under a victorious Nazi Germany would be that Hitler and the Nazis liberated Europe from the Judeo-Bolshevik hordes and the Anglo-Masonic capitalists.

This is not something unique to Germany, by the way. If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities. To some degree this is a good thing, because it counteracts decades of US anti-Soviet propaganda, but it often goes too far and ends up minimizing the actual human cost of the Bolshevik experiment in Russia.

So how do the US compare to Germany and Russia in this context?

Most Americans trust the version of history presented to them by their own “mainstream”. Why? How is their situation objectively different from the situation of Germans in a victorious Third Reich? Our modern narrative of WWII was also written by victors, victors who had a vested reason in demonizing all the other sides (Nazis and Soviets) while presenting us with a heroic tale of liberation. And here is the question which ought to really haunt us at night: what if we had been born not Russians and Jews after a Nazi defeat but if we had been born Germans after an Allied defeat in WWII? Would we have been able to show enough skepticism and courage to doubt the myths we were raised with? Or would we also be doubleplusgoodthinking little Nazis, all happy and proud to have defeated the evil Judeo-Bolshevik hordes and the Anglo-Masonic capitalists?

Oh sure, Hitler considered Jews as parasites which had to be exiled and, later, exterminated and he saw Russians as subhumans which needed to be put to work for the Germanic Master Race and whose intelligentsia also needed to be exterminated. No wonder that we, Jews and Russians, don’t particularly care for that kind of genocidal racist views. But surely we can be humans before being Jews and Russians, and we can accept that what is bad for us is not necessarily bad for others. Sure, Hitler was bad news for Jews and Russians, but was he really so bad news for “pure” (Aryan Germanic) Germans? More importantly, if we had been born “pure” Germans, would have have cared a whole lot about Jews and Russians? I sure hope so, but I have my doubts. I don’t recall any of us shedding many tears about the poly-genocided (a word a coined for a unique phenomenon in history: the genocide of all the ethnicities of an entire continent!) Native Americans! I dare say that we are a lot more prone to whining about the “Holocaust” or “Stalinism”, even though neither of them ever affected us personally, (only our families and ethnicity) than about the poly-genocide of Native Americans. I very much doubt that our whining priorities would have been the same if our ethnicity had been Lakota or Comanche. Again, I hope that I am wrong. But I am not sure sure.

Either way, my point is this:

We are hard-coded to be credulous and uncritically accept all the demonization of Nazis and Soviets because we are Jews and White Russians. Careful here, I am NOT saying that the Nazis and Soviets were not evil – they definitely were – but what I am saying is that we, Jews and Russians, are far more willing to accept and endorse any version of history which makes the Nazis and Soviets some kind of exceptionally evil people and that, in contrast, we almost instinctively reject any notion that “our” side (in this case I mean *your* side, the American one since you, unlike me, consider yourselves American) was just as bad (if only because your side never murdered Jews and Russians). So let’s look at this “our/your side” for a few minutes.

By the time the US entered WWII it had already committed the worse crime in human history, the poly-genocide of an entire continent, followed by the completely illegal and brutal annexation of the lands stolen from the Native Americans. Truly, Hitler would have been proud. But that is hardly all, the Anglo invaders then proceeded to wage another illegal and brutal war of annexation against Mexico from which is stole a huge chunk of land which includes modern Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico! Yes, all this land was illegally occupied and stolen by your side not once, but TWICE! And do I even need to mention the horrors of slavery to add to the “moral tally” of your side by the time the US entered the war? Right there I think that there is more than enough evidence that your side was morally worse than either the Nazis or the Soviets. The entire history of the US is one of endless violence, plunder, hypocrisy, exploitation, imperialism, oppression and wars. Endless wars of aggression. None of them defensive by any stretch of the imagination. That is quite unique in human history. Can you think of a nastier, more bloodthirsty regime? I can’t.

Should I even mention the British “atrocities tally”, ranging from opium wars, to the invention of concentration camps, to the creation of Apartheid, the horrors of the occupation of Ireland, etc. etc. etc.?

I can just hear you say that yes, this was horrible, but that does not change the fact that in WWII the US “saved Europe”. But is that really so?

To substantiate my position, I have put together a separate PDF file which lists 5 sources, 3 in English, 2 in Russian. You can download it here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByibNV3SiUooWExTNGhMTGF5azQ

I have translated the key excerpts of the Russian sources and I am presenting them along with the key excerpts of the English sources. Please take a look at this PDF and, if you can, please read the full original articles I quote. I have stressed in bold red the key conclusions of these sources. You will notice that there are some variations in the figures, but the conclusions are, I think, undeniable. The historical record show that:

  1. The Soviet Union can be credited with the destruction of roughly 80% of the Nazi military machine. The US-UK correspondingly can be credited with no more than 20% of the Allied war effort.
  2. The scale and scope of the battles on the Eastern Front completely dwarf the biggest battles on the Western Front. Battles in the West involved Divisions and Brigades, in the East they involved Armies and Groups of Armies. That is at least one order of magnitude of difference.
  3. The US only entered the war a year after Stalingrad and the Kursk battle when it was absolutely clear that the Nazis would lose the war.

The truth is that the Americans only entered the war when it was clear that the Nazis would be defeated and that their real motive was not the “liberation of oppressed Europe” but to prevent the Soviets from occupying all of Europe. The Americans never gave a damn about the mass murder of Jews or Russians, all they cared about was a massive land-grab (yet again).

[Sidebar: By the way, and lest you think that I claim that only Americans act this way, here is another set of interesting dates:

Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: August 6 and 9, 1945

Soviet Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation: August 9–20, 1945

We can clearly see the same pattern here: the Soviets waited until it was absolutely certain that the US had defeated the Japanese empire before striking it themselves. It is also worth noting that it took the Soviets only 10 days to defeat the entire Kwantung Army, the most prestigious Army of the Japanese Empire with over one million well-trained and well-equipped soldiers! That should tell you a little something about the kind of military machine the Soviet Union had developed in the course of the war against Nazi Germany (see here for a superb US study of this military operation)]

Did the Americans bring peace and prosperity to western Europe?

To western Europe, to some degree yes, and that is because was easy for them: they ended the war almost “fresh”, their (stolen) homeland did not suffer the horrors of war and so, yes, they could bring in peanut butter, cigarettes and other material goods. They also made sure that Western Europe would become an immense market for US goods and services and that European resources would be made available to the US Empire, especially against the Soviet Union. And how did they finance this “generosity”? By robbing the so-called Third World blind, that’s all. Is that something to be proud of? Did Lenin not warn as early as 1917 that “imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism”? The wealth of Western Europe was built by the abject poverty of the millions of Africans, Asians and Latin Americas.

But what about the future of Europe and the European people?

There a number of things upon which the Anglos and Stalin did agree to at the end of WWII: The four Ds: denazification, disarmament, demilitarisation, and democratisation of a united Germany and reparations to rebuilt the USSR. Yes, Stalin wanted a united, neutral Germany. As soon as the war ended, however, the Anglos reneged on all of these promises: they created a heavily militarized West Germany, they immediately recruited thousands of top Nazi officials for their intelligence services, their rocket program and to subvert the Soviet Union. Worse, they immediately developed plans to attack the Soviet Union. Right at the end of the WWII, Anglo powers had at least THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable. Here are some basic reminders from Wikipedia about what these operations were about:

Operation Dropshot: included mission profiles that would have used 300 nuclear bombs and 29,000 high-explosive bombs on 200 targets in 100 cities and towns to wipe out 85% of the Soviet Union’s industrial potential at a single stroke. Between 75 and 100 of the 300 nuclear weapons were targeted to destroy Soviet combat aircraft on the ground.

Plan Totality: earmarked 20 Soviet cities for obliteration in a first strike: Moscow, Gorki, Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yaroslavl.

Operation Unthinkable: assumed a surprise attack by up to 47 British and American divisions in the area of Dresden, in the middle of Soviet lines. This represented almost a half of roughly 100 divisions (ca. 2.5 million men) available to the British, American and Canadian headquarters at that time. (…) The majority of any offensive operation would have been undertaken by American and British forces, as well as Polish forces and up to 100,000 German Wehrmacht soldiers.

[Were you aware of these? If not, do you now wonder why?]

I am not making these things up, you can look it up for yourself on Wikipedia and elsewhere. This is the Anglo idea of how you deal with Russian “allies”: you stab them in the back with a surprise nuclear attack, you obliterate most of their cities and you launch the Nazi Wehrmacht against them.

I won’t even go into the creation of NATO (before the WTO was created in response) or such petty crimes as false flag terrorist attack (Operation Gladio).

[Have you ever heard of Operation Gladio or the August 1980 “Bologna massacre”, the bombing of the Bologna train station by NATO secret terrorist forces, a false-flag terrorist attack (85 dead, over 200 wounded) designed to discredit the Communist Party of Italy? If not – do you now wonder why you never heard of this?]

The sad reality is that the US intervention in Europe was a simple land-grab, that the Cold War was an Anglo creation, as was the partition of Europe, and that since WWII the US always treated Europe as a colony form which to fight the “Communist” threat (i.e. Russia).

But, let’s say that I am all wrong. For argument’s sake. Let’s pretend that the kind-hearted Americans came to Europe to free the European people. They heroically defeated Hitler and brought (Western) Europe peace, prosperity, freedom, happiness, etc. etc. etc.

Does this good deed give the US a license for future interventions? You both mentioned WWII as an example and a justification for the need for the US to maintain a military large enough to counter regimes such as the North Korean one, right? So, let me ask again,

Does the fact that the US altruistically, kindly and heroically liberated Europe from both the Nazis and the Soviets now grant the moral legitimacy to other, subsequent, US military interventions against other abhorrent, aggressive or evil regimes/countries out there?

If you reply “no” – then why did you mention it as a justification?

If you reply “yes” – then please forgive me for being so obtuse and ask you for how long this “license to militarily intervene” remains valid? One year? Five years? Maybe ten or even seventy years? Or maybe this license grants such a moral right to the US ad aeternam, forever? Seriously, if the US did liberate Europe and bring it peace and happiness, are we to assume that this will remain true forever and everywhere?

I also want to ask you this: let’s say, for the argument’s sake, that the moral license given by the US participation in the war in Europe is, truly, forever. Let’s just assume that, okay? But let me ask you this: could it be revoked (morally, conceptually)? Say the US did something absolutely wonderful in Europe. What about the subsequent horrors in southeast Asia, Latin America or the Middle-East. How many murdered, maimed, occupied, terrorized, bombed and otherwise genocided “non-West Europeans” would it take to outweigh the putatively “happily liberated” Europeans which, according to you, grant the US the license to intervene? Even if the US in Europe was all noble and pure, do the following seventy years of evil mass murder worldwide really count for nothing or does there come a point were “enough is enough” and the license cam be revoked, morally speaking, by people like us, like you?

May I point out to you that your words spoken in defense of a supposed need for the US to maintain a military capable of overseas operations strongly suggest that you believe that the US has a moral right (if not a duty!) to conduct such operations, which means that the post WWII atrocity-tally of the US is not, in your opinion, sufficient to elicit a “enough is enough” reaction in you. Are you sure that you are comfortable with this stance?

In theory, there could be another reason to revoke such a moral license. After all, one can have the moral right to do something, but not necessarily the capability to do so. If I see somebody drowning in a flood, I most certainly have the moral right to jump in the water and try to save this person, do I not? But that does not mean that I have the strength or skills to do so. Right? So when you say that the US needs to maintain a military capable of protecting friends and allies from rogue and dangerous regimes like the one in North Korea, you do imply that besides having the right to extend such a protection the US also has the capabilities and the expertise to do so?

Really?

And what is the evidence for that, may I ask?!

I asked you to name me a single successful US military intervention since WWII and you could name none. Good! I agree with you. The reality is that every single US military operation since WWII has resulted in a disaster either on the humanitarian, political and military level (often on all of them combined). Even Grenada was a total (military) failure! Also, do you see who sits in the White House today? Do you really want The Donald in charge of protecting “our friends and allies” and are you confident that he has the skillset needed to do this competently? Or Hillary for that matter? Even Sanders has a record of defending catastrophic military operations, such as the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2006 which, you guessed it (or not), ended in abject defeat for the Israelis and untold civilians horrors in Lebanon. But forget the President, take a look at US generals – do they inspire in you the belief that they are the kind of people who can be trusted to skillfully execute a military intervention inspired by moral and ethical reasons?! What about US “Congresspersons”? Would you trust them? So where do you see honest and competent “saviors of others” in the US polity?

Did you notice that there was no Islamic State in Iraq before the US invasion? Or did you notice that ever since the US declared a war on ISIS the latter has been getting stronger and stronger and taking over more countries. Yes, of course, once the Russians got involved ISIS began suffering defeat after defeat, but all the Americans had to say about the Russian intervention was to denounce it and predict it would fail. So why is it that the Russians are so good at fighting ISIS and the Americans, and they allies, so bad? Do you really want the Americans in charge of world security with such a record?!

Is insanity not repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

Now I hear the reply you gave me to this point. You said “yes, mistakes were made”.

Mistakes?!

I don’t think that millions of murdered people, including hundreds of thousands of children, are “mistakes” (how would you react it somebody conceded to you that Hitler and Stalin made “mistakes”?). But there is something even more insidious in this notion of “mistake”.

How would you define “success”?

Say the US armed forces were not only good at killing people (which they are), but also good at winning wars (which they ain’t). Say the US had been successful in not only invading Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in fully pacifying these countries. Say the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been successfully defeated, their economy had bounced back, and democratic regimes put in power: capitalism everywhere, 100 channels on each TV, McDonalds in every Afghan villages, gay pride parades in downtown Kabul, gender-neutral toilets in every mosque, elections every 4 years or so and not a single shot fired, not a single bomb going off? Would that be a “success”?

I pray to God and hope with all my heart that your reply to this question is a resounding “no!!”. Because if you answered “yes” then you are truly messianic genocidal imperialists. Yup, I mean that. Why? Because your notion of “success” is the spiritual, psychological and cultural death of an ancient civilization and that makes you, quite literally, an mortal enemy of mankind as a whole. I can’t even imagine such a horror. So I am sure that you answered “no!!” as every decent human being would, right?

But then what is a “success”? You clearly don’t mean the success as defined by your rulers (they would enthusiastically support such an outcome; in fact – they even promise it every time over and over again!). But if their idea of “success” is not yours, and if you would never want any other nation, people or ethnicity to ever become to victim of such as “successful” military intervention, why do you still want your rulers with their satanic notion of “success” to have the means to be “successful” in the future? And that in spite of the fact that the historical record shows that they can’t even achieve any type of “success” even by their own definition, nevermind yours?!

Did you notice that nowhere in my arguments above did I mention the fact that the US has never asked people (as opposed to local Comprador elites) whether they wanted to be saved by Uncle Sam or not? Neither did they ask the American people if they wanted to go to war, hence all the well-known false flags from the “remember the Maine”, to the sinking of the RMS Lusitania, to Pearl Harbor, to the “Gulf of Tonkin incident”, to September 11th: every time a lie had to be concocted to convince the American people that they had to go to war. Is that really people power? Is this democracy?!

Are there people out there, anybody, who really favor US military interventions? Yes, I suppose that there are. Like the Kosovo Albanians. I suspect that the Afghan Tajiks and Hazara were pretty happy to see the US bomb the crap of the Taliban. So there might be a few cases. Oh, and I forgot our Balt and Ukrainian friends (but then, they were also happy when the Nazis came, hardly much of an example). But it is pretty safe to say that in reality nobody wants to be liberated by Uncle Sam, hence the wordwide use of the “Yankee go home” slogan.

This letter is already way too long, and I will forgo the listing of all the reasons why the US are pretty much hated all over the planet, not by the ruling elites, of course, but by the regular people. And when I say “the US” I don’t mean Paul Newman, Mark Twain, Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino, James Taylor or the Bill of Rights or the beautiful country called “the US”. But the regime, as opposed to any one specific government or administration in Washington, the regime is what truly universally hated. I have never seen any anti-Americanism directed at the American people anywhere, not even in France, Greece or Latin America. But the hate for the Empire is quasi universal by now. Only the political elites whose status, power and well-being is dependent on the Empire do, in fact, support the Empire and what it stands for. Everybody else despises what the US stands for today. And every military intervention only makes this worse.

And you want to make sure this continues? Really?

Right now the US is desperately trying to save al-Qaeda (aka IS, ISIS, Daesh, al-Nusra, etc.) from defeat in Syria. How is that for a moral stance after 9/11 (that is, if you accept the official narrative about 9/11; if you understand that 9/11 was a controlled demolition in which al-Qaeda patsies were used as a smokescreen, then this makes sense, by the way).

By the way – who are the current allies the US are so busy helping now?

The Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia

The Nazi regime in the Ukraine and

The last officially racist regime on the planet in Israel

Do these really strike you as allies worth supporting?!

And what are the American people getting form all that? Nothing but poverty, oppression, shame, hatred, fear and untold physical, psychological and moral suffering.

These are the fruits of Empire. Every Empire. Always.

You mentioned that every time you see a veteran you thanked him for his service. Why? Do you really think that he fought in a just war, that his service is something he can be proud of? Did he fight for his people? Did he defend the innocent? Or was he an occupier in a foreign land and, if he saw combat, did he not kill people who defended their own land, their families and their way of life? What exactly do you thank that veteran for? For following orders? But is that not something the Nuremberg trials specifically condemned as immoral and illegal?

Do you remember how you told me that xxxxx’s Marine husband lived in a nice house with all their material needs taken care of? You added “compare that to Russian servicemen”. Well, you clearly are not aware of how Russian soldiers live nowadays, under your hated Putin, but that is besides the point. The question which I wanted to ask you then and which I will ask you now is this: is the comfortable lifestyle granted to US Marines good enough a reason to be a Marine – that is being part of the very first force called in to murder innocent people and invade countries? Do you even know what Marines did to Fallujah recently? How much is a human soul worth? And it is really your belief that being being a hired killer for the Empire is an honorable way of life? And should you think that I am exaggerating, please read the famous essay “War is a Racket” by Marine Brigadier General Smedley Butler, who had the highest rank a Marine could achieve in this time and who was the most decorated Marine in history. If war is a racket, does that not make Marines professional racketeers, hired thugs who act as enforcers for the mobsters in power? Ask yourself this: what would be the roughly equivalent counterparts of the US Marines in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia? To help you answer this question, let me offer a short quote from the Wikipedia entry about the Marine Corps: (emphasis added)

The Marine Corps was founded to serve as an infantry unit aboard naval vessels and was responsible for the security of the ship and its crew by conducting offensive and defensive combat during boarding actions and defending the ship’s officers from mutiny; to the latter end, their quarters on ship were often strategically positioned between the officers’ quarters and the rest of the vessel.

Does that help you identify their Nazi or Soviet counterparts?

Of all people, is it not we, Jews and Russians, who ought to recognize and categorically reject the trappings of Empire and all the rationalizations used to justify the subservient service to Empires?

I believe that history shows beyond any doubt that all Empires are evil, inherently and essentially, evil. They are also therefore equally evil. Shall I explain why?

Do you know what crimes is considered the ultimate, supreme, most evil crime under international law? It is not genocide, or crimes against humanity. Nope, the ultimate crime is the crime of aggression (that, by the way, makes every single US President a war criminal under international law, think of it!). In the the words of the chief American prosecutor at Nuremberg, Robert H. Jackson, the crime of aggression is the ultimate crime because “it contains within itself the accumulated evil” of all the other war crimes. Well, to paraphrase Jackson, imperialism contains within itself all the accumulated evil of all empires. Guantanamo, Hiroshima, Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Gladio and all the rest, they “come with the territory”, they are not the exception, they are the norm.

The best thing which could happen to this country and its people would be the collapse of this Empire. The support, even tacit and passive, of this Empire by people like yourself only delays this outcome and allows this abomination to to bring even more misery and pain upon millions of innocent people, including millions of your fellow Americans. This Empire now also threatens my country, Russia, with war and possibly nuclear war and that, in turn, means that this Empire threatens the survival of the human species. Whether the US Empire is the most evil one in history is debatable, but the fact that it is by far the most dangerous one is not. Is that not a good enough reason for you to say “enough is enough”? What would it take for you to switch sides and join the rest of mankind in what is a struggle for the survival of our species? Or will it take a nuclear winter to open your eyes to the true nature of the Empire you apparently are still supporting against all evidence?

 

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Stucky
Stucky
September 18, 2017 7:33 am

I’m pretty sure all those friends of his who received the letter ….. are now former friends.

Reasoning with liberals, esp liberal Joos is TWAT — Total Waste A Time.

Great letter overall, though.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 18, 2017 7:49 am

If the US ceases to be an empire, there will be a mighty void. Who would fill it? His country – Russia – for one, and China, for another.

Same as it ever was.

Stucky
Stucky
  Llpoh
September 18, 2017 8:26 am

Excellent point!

There is ALWAYS Empire, somewhere.

overthecliff
overthecliff
September 18, 2017 8:03 am

Grow up. Moral arguments against intervention are nonsense. Those kinds of decisions are made based on the interests of those people who control the means of violence and intimidation. To act in any other way is foolish. If you don’t impose your will the other guy will. To agree with Llpoh it is what it is.

WIP
WIP
  overthecliff
September 18, 2017 9:42 am

The highest law of humanity, it seems, is Might = Right.

Maggie
Maggie
September 18, 2017 8:07 am

“It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII.” Churchill was quoted… “History will praise us for what we did here. At least it will in the version I will write.” Six volumes (5000+ pages!) on the reasons the Allies were right. Who has read more than a selected excerpt or two of Churchill’s “THE SECOND WORLD WAR” Houghton Mifflin Co., Boston: 1948-53 (6vols)?

I have an inkling there are more than a handful of intelligentsia members here who actually have studied Churchill’s massive tomes, including those stuck in various places, but I have always been a “cliff note” sort of academician.

I like the Saker. I agree this piece is quite long and I skimmed parts of it, thinking I will re-visit it later and borrow a few ideas, which I may or may not cite, depending on how clever I can be at rephrasing the thoughts. We don’t want Admin sued or shut down for plagiarizing Martin Luther King, Jr., since ” I have a dream” (MLK…famous speech in D.C.) that one day all of mankind will realize anyone who runs for political office a SECOND time should be investigated for corruption. The first term in office is forgivable. Running for second term is proof they are on the take and have gotten a good feel for how to really get rich off the taxpayer the second time around. Hmmm… I like that so much I will make it a separate paragraph and repeat.

Anyone who runs for national political office a SECOND time should be investigated for corruption. The first term in office is forgivable, if they indeed brought to D.C. a few local and regional issues they wanted to bring to national attention. However, once they introduced the need for reform of the Farm Subsidy program (or whatever), failed to get anyone’s attention since that is Flyover Country WELFARE disguised as support for farmers, they should realize the truth and resign. Running for second term is proof they are on the take and have gotten a good feel for how to really get rich off the taxpayer the second time around. And I would apply that rule with no exception. Cleaning the swamp in Washington would be quite easy.

I’m working on a letter from whoville to you, Stucky, or I would have probably gotten first billing here. As it is, I am just sloppy seconds. (Edit… and it took me so long to write it I’m at least fourth or even, fifth in the list. You gotta be quick around this place.)

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
September 18, 2017 8:28 am

A letter?

To … ME?

COOL!

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 6:47 pm

I am ever busy these days…harvest and deer season upon is. It will keep.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
September 19, 2017 7:50 pm

Yeah, right.

Then it will be Thanksgiving. Then Christmas. Then it will be too cold and you and the other Nicky will be too busy doing the horizontal mambo under the covers.

I ain’t never getting my damned letter. Just admit it. I can take it.

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
September 18, 2017 8:41 am

Llpoh and overthecliff………….since there will always be an empire, we should support ours while it lasts, else we will be 3rd worlders. We should enjoy it while we can.

Fucking great. Just fucking great. We should bask in the glow of our empire killing the innocents. This is depressing.

Credit
Credit
September 18, 2017 9:17 am

empires last on average about 250 years, and 2017 minus 1776 = 241.

i sometimes get the feeling that our progenitor(s) created a global, millenia-length classroom culminating in the prophesied 1,000 year final lesson under the tutelage of their returning emmissary. without which we would remain errant savages destined for eternal war. but with which we become civilized enough to join the innumerable other species not still limited to one-planet evolutionary processes.

WIP
WIP
September 18, 2017 9:35 am

I just had an interesting conversation with a new client. She is a 5th generation white South African. She said it is very bad over there. Everyone lives in gated compounds, it is beyond difficult to travel, getting out of SA, at one time, was possible through a European program but it was shut down, no jobs for young people and when she goes back to visit almost everybody has had a family member, friend or acquaintance who was murdered, raped or car jacked.

Is propaganda also news/events that are buried or not covered by the media?

Gayle
Gayle
  WIP
September 18, 2017 10:30 am

If our press were to find time for a story or two on the evolution of S. Africa, it would disturb the ongoing campaigns to inflame passions against the white race and to romanticize some other ethnic groups.

If the circumstances in S. Africa were the opposite of what they are, we would be hearing about it 24/7.

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
September 18, 2017 12:22 pm

True. That.

starfcker
starfcker
  Gayle
September 18, 2017 12:32 pm

Exactly, Gayle.

Gerold
Gerold
September 18, 2017 9:36 am

For thousands of years, philosophers and naturalists, in a futile attempt to prove humanity’s superiority to the rest of the animal kingdom, have offered numerous characteristics supposedly unique to humans.

One by one, these characteristics were found in the animal kingdom. Simians had opposable thumbs, Apes were taught American Sign Language, otters and ravens use rudimentary tools, some insects have complex societies, wolves and orcas cooperate in the hunt, etc.

There is only one characteristic unique to humans: self-delusion. A monkey might fool another monkey, but a monkey won’t fool itself.

Thanks, admin for posting Saker’s eye-opening article. Most non-Amerikans would agree with him (I’m one) and I expect not many Amerikans would. However, TBP readers are not representative of typical brain-washed Yanks. This is an excellent forum for Saker’s point of view because not many self-deluded monkeys read this blog.

DRUD
DRUD
  Gerold
September 18, 2017 4:46 pm

While I agree with the overall theme of the post and with human beings undeniable and nearly infinite capacity for self-delusion, calling that the ONLY trait the is not found in the animal kingdom is ludicrous.

1) Art/Imagination – whales may sing and Peacock may dance, but only humans compose symphonies, write literature, paint pictures and create sculptures not only of things they see, but also of things that never were and never will be. Animals may make shelters, but none every make them beautiful for beauty’s sake alone.

2) Awareness of time’s passage – Animals may learn lessons, but they never wallow in regret nor wax nostalgic. They may save food for winter, but will never dream of a better future for themselves or their descendants nor will they ever fear events that have yet to pass.

3) Forgiveness. No antelope will ever approach the pride of lions that ate their children and offer forgiveness in a search for spiritual peace.

I have never been the biggest fan of the human race, but I am nowhere near a big enough cynic to believe that only self-delusion separates from every other species ever known.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  DRUD
September 19, 2017 12:31 am

Drug, that was a very nice post.

starfcker
starfcker
September 18, 2017 9:55 am

The piece of garbage that writes this kind of shit is no different than the leftists that want all the confederate monuments down. Of all the people I despise, historical revisionists are the ones I despise the most. Go back to where you came from, dirtbag. Don’t lecture me. I wish I could remember who nailed this guy on here not too long ago, citing his poor analytical skills. Now we can see the base of knowledge where those poor skills came from. Not quite ready for prime time, is he?

WIP
WIP
  starfcker
September 18, 2017 10:13 am

Where, exactly, do you disagree with him?

Rob
Rob
  WIP
September 18, 2017 10:58 am

Ster fucker can’t say where he disagrees. He is a computer in the basement of the NSA.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Rob
September 18, 2017 12:34 pm

Rob- You said you were Batman the other day. So we really can’t take you seriously.

I’m not saying you are a troll……but you are a troll.

DurangoDan
DurangoDan
  starfcker
September 18, 2017 10:37 am

A condensed version of this article might read “An empire that perpetrated 911 on its own citizens belongs in the shitbin of history”. I couldn’t agree more.

starfcker
starfcker
September 18, 2017 10:25 am

I don’t disagree with him. I’m rejecting his entire premise

Rob
Rob
  starfcker
September 18, 2017 11:07 am

Dear NSA,

Please reprogram this bot. It is not delivering believable comments.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
  starfcker
September 19, 2017 2:54 pm

If you ever wonder why history repeats, look no further than this guy. Doesnt care about facts. Doesnt want to offer an argument. Just has beliefs and acts on them.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 18, 2017 10:36 am

That was a slightly longer and more verbose version of the lesson I have taught each of my own children from a very young age.

Only the winners get to write the history and the winners, in defiance of the law of probability, are always the good guys.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
September 18, 2017 10:39 am

“By the way – who are the current allies the US are so busy helping now?

The Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia

The Nazi regime in the Ukraine and

The last officially racist regime on the planet in Israel”

Exactly. Our “allies” are the nastiest regimes on the planet.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Zarathustra
September 19, 2017 12:38 am

And on top of that, we support dangerous maniacal Sunni regimes and want to go to war with the Shia, who don’t seem to be causing any trouble. Example, Iran hasn’t started a war in 500 years. They’ve fought defensive wars like the war against Iraq, but they haven’t started one.

Not Sure
Not Sure
September 18, 2017 11:00 am

The more I see the more I don’t want to see.

GilbertS
GilbertS
September 18, 2017 11:34 am

But how can something that does so much good be so bad?

I was reading a book, Fortress America, I think, which is dated as hell, but still has some relevant info in it. It was originally written to criticize the government for not reigning in military spending at the end of the Cold War. The author’s stories about military waste were astonishing, like the dumping of hundreds of never-used M60 tanks into the Gulf of Mexico so the DOD could buy more tanks. The author makes the point that the US is in danger (circa 1991) of becoming Darth Vader to the rest of the world. The reason being, he argued, because the USA has become a force for maintaining the Status Quo. Every day that passes, he argued, with the US refusing to permit change in the world order meant a new day in which more and more people world-wide were prevented from exercising change in their world. With an ever-increasing number of people stuck in a situation they hate, and the US seen as the enforcer of that order, it is inevitable those people would hate the USA. I’m not as eloquent as the author, but I think you get the idea. America, as the world’s policeman, is setting itself up as the scapegoat for everything wrong in the world.

Subwo
Subwo
  GilbertS
September 18, 2017 3:21 pm

My dad told his mom about the Navy throwing food over the side during WWII in order to get newer food. She stopped cutting back on her food consumption after that. Governments always waste.

starfcker
starfcker
September 18, 2017 12:17 pm

Jeez. Do any of you mo-rons realize Germany was the aggressor in WW2? That they got a bad deal at the end of WW1 (another war in which they were the aggressor) matters not. America lost 400,000 men kicking Germany and Japan’s asses. Show some respect. They died so you could waste your day pondering nonsense like this. They lost. Sucks to be them. History gets written by the winners. Unless you’re a loser like this saker fool, and know nothing about history, and can find a gullible audience. The development of the Soviet T72 tank made the M60 a deathtrap for our soldiers. The M1 Abrams tank was superior to anything the Soviets had, and went into service about the time of the Gulf War. So the M60 was decommissioned, and what did they do with them? Same thing they do around here all the time wth decommissioned ships, they scuttle them off the coast as recreational dive sites. I’ve never dove the tank farms, but I’ve dove on plenty of the ships. People will believe whatever they want to. I notice little saker (and his Russian friends) transplanted into Florida to talk their shit, instead of making a stand in the country they love. Figures. Ingrate. Not everything is an evil conspiracy. Pretty good for a bot, eh?

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  starfcker
September 18, 2017 3:40 pm

The M1 tank was conceived in the late 60’s and went into service in 1980, long before the Gulf War. However that’s about as close to the truth as anything else you wrote in that idiotic rant.

starfcker
starfcker
  Zarathustra
September 18, 2017 8:33 pm

Come on Zara. You don’t think there are Jewfish on those wrecks? I’ve seen them with my own eyes.

GilbertS
GilbertS
  starfcker
September 18, 2017 5:08 pm

History may be written by the winners, but it sure does help to know about the losers. It matters, especially since the winners are going to be responsible for what happens next. If they’re good winners, it matters, because they can establish a better order. If they’re poor winners, it matters, because their kids might end up fighting the losers’ kids. Sound familiar?

Nobody denied who the aggressor was in WWII, but the way they were treated at the end of WWI DOES matter, since it set the stage for the sequel. Had the spiteful little European powers been a bit more restrained, Germans wouldn’t have been put through 2 decades of poverty, chaos, communist revolution, etc and they might not have embraced Fascism.

Also, the way our country behaves, even towards its enemies, matters. How you win a war matters at least as much as if you win. For instance, we could have used poison gas in WWII, and we pre-positioned it in Italy, but we didn’t use it. Can you imagine a world where the US uses NBC weapons as a matter of course and still claims to be a morally-righteous power?

How you treat your defeated former enemies matters. Ever hear about the US army’s concentration camps at the end of the war in which thousands of German POWs were interned without food, water, or shelter? Ever hear about Abu Ghraib? These events matter.

How you treat your own citizens matters, too. Ever hear about the US Army’s massacre of the Bonus Marchers, our own WWI veterans who begged for relief at the start of the Depression and were machinegunned, gassed, ridden down by cavalry and armor, etc for their troubles?

Next, the T72 doesn’t matter. The military asked for, and received, thousands of tanks which were never used. Rather than find a use for them, ANY use, they chucked them into the ocean. That is ridiculous. They waste insane amounts of wealth. The LCS, as I’ve mentioned in the past, was built without proper corrosion-proofing, leading the ship to literally dissolve after launch. What about the F35? The estimated development costs are 1.5 Trillion for a plane that is out-flown by F15s in tests and which can’t fly within 20 miles of a thunderstorm. How about the ridiculous camouflage uniform circus between the services during the last 15+/- years? The Army’s UCP pattern, alone, was a 5 BILLION Fiasco. Having worn them, I can affirm they sucked big time; they were like camo-printed pajamas. Hey, what about that missing Billion we never got accounted for cuz’ 911?

The Saker isn’t always right, but some of the things he writes are interesting for the insight he has an outsider with an interest in foreign relations. I’ve followed his Ukraine coverage off and on for years. It’s very interesting and, regardless of how he makes you feel, he has some cool sources overseas. If you were interested in knowing about the rebellion in the Ukraine, his site was the place to go. Also, as a Russian, his outlook on the world will obviously be very different from yours. If you actually know history, you should be able to recognize Russians are justified in feeling like THEY won the war. I won’t belabor this comment with the facts, but they’re out there courtesy of your browser of choice. And if you don’t like his arguments with his friends, don’t read them.

yup
yup
  GilbertS
September 18, 2017 11:34 pm

“..the US Army’s massacre of the Bonus Marchers,…”

Doug MacArthur and Dwight David Eisenhower in command if I recall correctly.

Laters beeeshez

Yuppers

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  starfcker
September 19, 2017 12:44 am

No World War II soldier died for American freedom. We weren’t invaded. We joined the war near the end.

Same goes for the wars going on now. None of those soldiers are fighting for American freedom, though they are brainwashed to think they are. They are fighting for oil, resources, gold, and any other thing those in power want, including children to traffic. Nobody in the Middle East was planning to attack America.

Bill Sturka
Bill Sturka
September 18, 2017 12:18 pm

Some good points are made in this article, but here are some other things to think about.

1. Everybody’s homeland was stolen from someone if you go back far enough. Who owns the real estate in Britain? Celts? Romans? Normans from the coast of France who were trasnplanted vikings? Angles, Saxons and Jutes from Germany? Native Britons? Why is it only the US that is accused of stealing land?

2. The American southwest was native indian land until it was stolen(!) by Spain. It was only part of Mexico for a short time.

3. By the time of the Normandy invasion the US had been fighting the greatest naval battles the world had ever seen for over 2 years.

4. The Soviet Union would probably have lost WW2 without all the material being convoyed over from the US. Being in the Merchant Marine was just as dangerous as being in the Navy.

5. The Ukrainians were happy when the Nazis came because they hated the Russian communists. Holodomor was a good reason to welcome anyone who would fight the Soviets.

Hondo
Hondo
  Bill Sturka
September 18, 2017 12:55 pm

In addition, when Stalin launched his counterattack in December, ’41, 75% of all his equipment, weapons, medical supplies, vehicles, and ammunition were shipped there from America and England, courtesy the Merchant Marine fleets. Without that help, the war was over. thanks

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
September 18, 2017 12:27 pm

Hey Sucker…I mean Saker…the USA didn’t steal shit from the Indians or Mexicans. It was done by conquest…the same as man has done across time . You can argue whether or not treaties were broken ( they were) but like history the losers can’t change or challenge shit !

Llpoh
Llpoh
  BUCKHED
September 18, 2017 5:33 pm

Conquest/steal – potato/pahtato.

Hondo
Hondo
September 18, 2017 12:47 pm

I am a person who wore the uniform for six years. I killed, was almost killed, destroyed property others had worked to build for generations. All for the worship of a piece of worthless cloth called ‘a flag’. Now if that isn’t stupid what is? That said, yes I agree, veterans are the lowest of the low, yet worshipped near and far by those who pay the taxes. We area a nation of empty slogans, “served the country, wore the uniform, proud american, it’s our land, freedom, woman’s right to choose, death before dishonor…Our host is right, we ‘defend the country’, but we don’t win wars. We fight crime, but we don’t shoot criminals on the street when they are caught in the act. Our women get pregnant, but far too many don’t give the child nine months to make mommy and daddy proud, they ‘choose’ to murder the most defenseless person (an unborn), most women date 50 men and marry the only one they hate, most men would rather stick a cigarette in their mouth, or needle in their vein than stick money in a savings account. We start everything, finish nothing. What a mess, we americans. If their is a road out of the abyss, maybe it could start with Esther 1:22: Letters were sent into all the king’s provinces, into every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language, that EVERY MAN SHOULD RULE IN HIS OWN HOUSE, and that it should be published according to the language of every people.” …Men were put here to rule as leaders of a home, the community, the state, and the nation, not to be a bunch of cowtied, pussy whipped, debt ridden, mommy’s boys. Think on these thoughts then lead your home or get the hell out of it and live alone. thanks

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Hondo
September 18, 2017 12:55 pm

you tell ’em duke,may you and angie have many years together–

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Hondo
September 19, 2017 12:48 am

Hondo, appreciate your thoughts. I couldn’t agree more.

TampaRed
TampaRed
September 18, 2017 12:52 pm

Some of this is correct,some of it is garbage,and as Llpoh posted above,somebody is going to be the Empire.
It’s also hard to draw the line between altruism and self interest.

starfcker
starfcker
September 18, 2017 12:57 pm

WAIT, not only am I a bot today, I am in fact the world’s best detective. See how I put the little pieces together in my little terminator brain. IT’S THE JOOOZZZ!!!!! They instructed the army to dump those ships and tanks offshore to provide homes for (wait for it) (((JEWFISH!!!!!))). Seriously. When you dive any of those wrecks there are 300 pound monsters on every one. Gotta go, NSA putting me back in sleep mode.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  starfcker
September 19, 2017 12:50 am

Why do they dump them in the ocean? Couldn’t that metal be reused for other military equipment?

BB
BB
September 18, 2017 12:58 pm

These people always want you to know they have Jewish ,black or even Muslims friends who are ” Liberal, Leftist Progressives” but they are ” kind , decent , sincere people “.The same kind of Liberal Progressives that murdered over 100 Million people so far.What I have read and know about Jews , Blacks and Muslims tells me these people can never be trusted under any circumstance.Jews / Muslims will betray you and Blacks will Destory everything they touch including everything you as a white person owns including our Republic.Fuck the Saker.

Stucky
Stucky
  BB
September 18, 2017 1:28 pm

The village idiot is baaack!

DRUD
DRUD
September 18, 2017 4:59 pm

I disagree with virtually nothing here but why not take the very obvious next step?

Why debate and compare the atrocities committed by this empire or that, the evils of this race or that, the levels of corruption of this nation or that, the blatant lies of this group of propagandists or that one or which -isms are better or worse than which other -isms?

It is ALWAYS the STATE. That made-up institution that has the legal monopoly on the initiation of force and is ALWAYS made up of those who wish power and authority over others (read: the WORST humanity has to offer). This was just as true in every empire of the ancient world as it was in Nazi Germany, in Imperial Britain, in the USSR as it is today in the good ole US of A.

And yes, I am aware that the State will always be with us, just like War will always be with us. Huh, maybe there is some connection there?

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 18, 2017 5:50 pm

Despite some comments to the contrary, I think Saker is probably a really smart fellow. He makes some interesting points, but he glosses over some issues, totally ignores others, and tosses out an occassional turd (US had a military loss in Grenada? Are you fucking kidding me???).

He for instance totally ignores what would have happnd in Europe if the Allies had sat back and let Stalin occupy all of Europe. Can you imagine the ongoing bloodbath that would have occurred? He totally ignores the fact that Russia was TOAST if not for Lend Lease and the massive amounts of war materials the US and others sent in. Without that, Russia would have been TOAST.

He claims that Israel is the only racist nation (might have said officially racist or some such to hedge his bets) left. Are you fucking kidding me??? How about Zimbabwe, Burma, SAfrica, any number of Muslim nations, Japan (try to emigrate there why dontcha?), etc. Israel is not alone in that, I guarantee you.

He conveniently does not address what would happen in Europe or Asia if the US pulls its defence umbrella. You think Russia would not take advantage? You think China would not look to expand (the fuckers are building artificial fucking island so as to claim more sea already)? With no deterrence they might do any damn thing).

I am all for the US staying out of Iraq/Korea/Vietnam/Afghanistan, etc. But I do think there needs to be some mutual treaty or similar to prevent the expansion of various players. Internal squabbles should be avoided at all costs. But mutual defence of each other from aggressor nations is an entirely different matter. How to tread the line I do not know.

In short, Saker is pushing an agenda. My suspicion – it is only a suspicion – is he would like to see Russia as the dominant empire. Because he very conveniently ignores anything bad about it, best I I can tell, and glosses over or obfuscates what would happen if the US ceases being an Empire.

He is smart I figure. But man oh man I figure he has an agenda of his own he is trying to support, while hiding it at the same time.

Caveat emptor on whatever he writes.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Llpoh
September 18, 2017 7:05 pm

we had such overwhelming force in grenada that we kicked butt–however,we needed that force because we had some serious screw ups there–

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  TampaRed
September 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Russia has 144 million people. It can be a great power only in a limited geographical sense because of it’s enormous land mass but in every other way, especially economic, it can be a regional power at best. It’s best bet to exert global influence is through multi-national organizations such as BRICS.

As for any pretensions for becoming a world hegemon, that vanished when they lost the empire.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  TampaRed
September 18, 2017 7:45 pm

Tampa – “everyone has a plan until the get punched in the mouth.” Mike Tyson
No plan survives first contact with the enemy.

The reason the military always want overwhelming force is to overcome screw-ups that can and do occur.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Llpoh
September 18, 2017 8:05 pm

agreed–
a buddy of mine used to teach combat pistol–he said(and told me it wasn’t his quote)that outside of a ring w/a ref, if you find yourself in a fair fight you’re doing it all wrong–

Llpoh
Llpoh
  TampaRed
September 18, 2017 8:51 pm

Tampa – that is absolutely correct. I have been in many fights. Getting my ass kicked was never high on my want to do list. I never started a fight in my life. Never. However, sometimes I was the only one who knew there was a fight going on, and the other guy found out too late.

Some folks thought they were simply verbally abusing me, and were not in fact starting or in a fight. They were mistaken. I was not one for walking away, and my old man demanded from the time I could walk that I never take a backward step.

I learned the key to success was to be the first to realize that you are in a fight, and take the offensive. If I was being abused, I came to immediately assume I was in a fight.

So, I landed the first blow. And given I (used to) hit like a mule, I never lost a fight where I landed the first blow (I was saved from an enormous ass-kicking one of those times, however. The bastard I hit staggered back a few steps but much to my surprise did not go down. That turned out to be unfortunate for me, but I was saved by some kind bystanders who broke it up. I was in for a hiding.). I also knew the first blow needed to be followed up by a few more, because it ain’t over until its over. My hands fared poorly, but other than that I was usually unscathed.

So, landing the first blow is akin to overwhelming force. It has the same effect. And if that did not work, I had a nasty habit of fighting dirty (call it the element of surprise). Getting my ass kicked was simply not a viable option. I was not in it for fun. I think there are a couple guys out there that still have a good set of my dental records on soft parts of their bodies. They should have left me the fuck alone.

Fair fights are for the losers, best I can tell.

starfcker
starfcker
  Llpoh
September 18, 2017 8:40 pm

Llpoh, the problem I have with this dude is A, his track record sucks, and B, just another grifter from somewhere else that comes to the US and hates it. Simple solution, dirtbag. Go back to wherever you came from. Immigration has destroyed this country. This guy is exhibit A. Total ingrate.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  starfcker
September 18, 2017 8:54 pm

Star – I do not know his background. I do see he has an agenda he is trying very hard to hide. He is a good wordsmith, makes some sense which he defends well, but then glosses over the weak areas in hopes he influences the readers without them seeing his slant.

I defer to your judgement.

GilbertS
GilbertS
  Llpoh
September 19, 2017 10:37 am

The Saker is rather anonymous. He claims to be Russian and alludes to the fact he is/was a high-level military analyst, possibly for the Russian military. He peppers his writing with Russian language and cultural references, so it’s easy to believe he’s Russian. He also knows a lot about who is in charge and what they appear to be thinking. Whether he is a former high-level military guy is up for debate. He does appear to live in Florida, based on his snailmail address, and he’s mentioned that fact in the past. I have been an on-again, off-again reader of his for a few years. I forget how I blundered into his site, but the Ukrainian revolution and the breakaway Novorossia/Donetsk People’s Republic were big news at the time and Saker appeared to be very up-to-date on the area. He was covering the leadership of the rebels, their strategy and decisions, and the reactions in the Ukraine. Since then, he’s branched out to be more of a general critic of the US and the West with a focus on Russia and the Middle East. If you’ve ever read Pravda.ru, you’ll recognize the style. That being said, just because the Saker isn’t pro-US foreign policy does not mean he never gets it right. It’s worthwhile to read what foreigners think, especially since our media aren’t exactly reliable partners in truth.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Llpoh
September 19, 2017 12:55 am

Rather than mutual defense treaties that can pull us unwillingly into some other country’s stupid war, without any say of our own, why not decide, through Congress, after a war starts between other countries, whether the U.S. should help that country? That makes more sense to me.

Also, a revision, I agree with George Washington that we should not get involved in other countrues’ conflicts. But I guess Congress is supposed to decide that now.

llpoh
llpoh
  Vixen Vic
September 19, 2017 1:16 am

I think the timeline would be too long. Nations can be stolen, er, conquered in a very few days.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  llpoh
September 19, 2017 9:30 am

so does the Constitution authorize the prez to take us into war with the exception of immediate defense?
vixen (we want a pic,btw,so we can verify you)is correct–if you want us to go to war,let congress do their job-either declare war or amend the constitution–

Jake
Jake
September 19, 2017 11:26 am

He’s completely full of shit regarding this “genocide” of natives in North America.
America’s aristocracy or ruling class descend from Pocahontas, aka Lady Rebecca Rolfe. Her “tribe” defeated or marginalized all the others. Her one child went back to the colonies as governor of Virginia in the mid 1600’s, had a shit pot full of kids, who had a shit pot full of kids and became the aristocracy of the American colonies and most Presidents and Ivy elitists have been related by blood one way or another to Pocahontas.
Indians also usually used their newly acquired firesticks against each other. Following the Civil War when Winchester lever guns became available, the natives had them and in a twenty year period killed over 200,000 of each other. Despite John Wayne movies, we had a tiny, inconsequential in the greater scheme cavalry and army, carrying Civil War muzzle loaders later converted to single shot cartridge rifles (to save money) who killed very small numbers of enemy in western combat. Of course, some dirty SOB’s did sell firewater and Winchesters to them to aid in their demise.
The real story of Indian Wars in the old west was one of providing the tools, and standing back and watching the enemy destroy themselves in internecine fighting.

Stucky
Stucky
  Jake
September 19, 2017 11:43 am

Pocahontas, as Eve, mother of all Indian Nations. Got it.

Some of the stuff being posted here really belongs on Cracked or Onion.

I’ll let Llpoh deal with you, if he chooses. Bring your flak jacket

Jake
Jake
  Stucky
September 19, 2017 1:13 pm

Your reading comprehension is a tad weak today big mouth.

llpoh
llpoh
  Jake
September 19, 2017 8:32 pm

What a load of shit. Pocohontas had one son. That one son had one daughter. That one daughter had one son. Many relatives attributed o here were in fact no relation whatsoever. Their son Thomas was never governor of Virginia. Man, where the fuck do you get this shit? That is some A grade stupid right there. I will not even go into debunking the rest of the Pocohontas bullshit. The mere fact that you try to say, erroneously at that, that the genocide did not happen because Pocohontas had kids who had kids that became presidents and such (did not happen) is some new kind of inventive history.

RE 200,000 Indians being killed by other Indians after the Civil War – what, are you insane? What a fucking imbecile you are. In 1860, there were only around 300,000 total Indians left in the ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY. That fell by around 70,000 by 1890. The Civil war killed of a fair few, and then the Indian Wars killed off a lot more – killed by soldiers, starved, died of disease. Here are the facts, Jake, you fucking moron:

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