The Future of White Nationalism

Guest Post by The Zman

At American Renaissance, I was introduced to an old guy from VDare, who seemed to experience the world strictly through the search functions of his phone. Someone told him about my site and the first thing he did was search for the site name and “white nationalism” to see if I had opinions on the subject. His first hit was a post where I called white nationalism the dumbest thing going. He tried giving me the business about it and I gave it right back to him. I will forever be off the VDare Solstice card list as a result.

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In fairness to him, he was a good sport about it. In fairness to me, my criticism of white nationalism is mostly about aesthetics. The term is not a new one. That means it comes with baggage and that baggage is not easily overcome. When most Americans hear “white nationalism” they think of snaggle-toothed rustics, wearing wife beaters and jorts, complaining about the coloreds. Getting modern whites to overcome the cult of anti-racism is hard under ideal conditions. Having Cletus as your sales rep makes it impossible.

That’s something the white identity people need to accept. For generations, Progressives have tightly associated racism with the South. The good white/bad white thing that John Derbyshire discusses is based entirely on this image. Bad whites shop at Walmart, like domestic beer and hate black people. Despite the fact that blacks have been moving back to the Old Confederacy for decades, black culture holds that the South is still aggressively racist. It’s at the core of the statue toppling and confederate flag burning manias.

Even if you can somehow get past the image problem, white nationalism is not some new concept developed by the alt-right. It has a history and it has a lot of veterans of its prior iterations. Those people are still kicking around. The web site Storm Front, in addition to being an FBI honey trap, is the home of the old White Nationalist guys, who used to follow guys like David Duke. If you borrow the language and symbols of these guys, you are inviting them and their ideas into your new version of white nationalism.

There are two problems with this. One is many of these guys were not the best people or the most stable people. Stepping way outside the moral framework is never easy, but it is a lot easier if you’re crazy. It’s also easier if you have nutty ideas that no one takes too seriously. Even the most generous evaluation of White Nationalism 1.0 says it was mostly a reaction to the cultural revolution of the 1960’s. It never came up with a plausible way forward politically or culturally. It was mostly old racists who just liked to complain.

Again, even if you manage to rehabilitate the language and symbols, you can’t get past the fact that prior efforts were a failure. A pretty good rule of life is that failure is assured if you follow in the footsteps of previous failures. It’s why adopting Nazi symbols is stupid. The Third Reich was most notable for being a disastrous failure. Associating your thing with failure is just bad marketing. It also tends to attract people who find some sort of satisfaction in losing. New Movements need need language and new symbols.

Putting all of that aside, prior iterations of white nationalism always suffered from the fact they were reactionary. At their very best, they could only offer a critique of the prevailing order. They had nothing to offer as an alternative, beyond demands to wind the clock backwards. Reactionary movements always fail in the long run for the simple reason that yesterday can never follow tomorrow. Even if everyone agrees the current arrangements are not working, what comes next is never a return to the old order.

There’s something else that prior white nationalists movements never got right. They assumed that a majority white nation was a given. If they could just get a majority of whites on their side, they would win the political battles over race. America is 70% white at the last census and will be majority-minority in a few decades. The issue today is not about keeping America white. That horse has left the barn. The question before us today is how whites will survive as a minority population in a majority-minority country.

That means the math is not about 50% plus one. Whatever comes to define white identity in the age of identity politics will have to appeal to and serve the interests of the vast majority of whites. That can’t just be a visceral hatred of non-whites. Whites in America are mostly from west of the Hajnal line, which means low clannishness. Old fashioned tribal signalling against the next tribe is not going to work. What comes next has to be an ideology that promotes a positive identity offering a promising future.

That’s probably the most encouraging thing to come out of the Charlottesville protest over the summer. The people involved began to appreciate the need to build new symbols and use new language. Even guys like Andrew Anglin are pushing his people to drop the Hitler images, beyond obviously satirical stuff. Mockery of taboos and irreverence for social norms has a place, but it can’t be the focus of a political movement, if it is going to draw in the skeptical. The white identity people seem to get that now.

The irony here is the New Left went through a similar problem. Before they were able to start the cultural revolution, they existed as an ad hoc counter-culture. The old commies from the CP-USA days tried to glom onto it, but the new radicals correctly saw that as a bad idea. They eventually purged their ranks of the old guys and their old ideas. Now, the cultural movement that seeks to destroy the New Left and the Baby Boomer culture is going through a similar process as it organizes itself.

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TC
TC
October 25, 2017 8:59 am

Zman jewish?

BB
BB
October 25, 2017 9:21 am

He is right about symbols . Confederate flags and Nazis symbols carried by people who look like motorcycle gang members from the 60s turns alot of people away.Most whites want nothing to do with that image.
White Nationalism has to develop a new language with new symbols with an ideology that will be accepted by the majority of whites but also by large chunk of the Hispanics.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BB
October 25, 2017 10:15 am

Wow, an olive branch from BB.
Keep moving left, BB, we’ll meet soon.
You’ve thrown that moran Anglin under the bus. Now keep going.
EC

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 25, 2017 9:22 am

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Stucky
Stucky
October 25, 2017 9:46 am

“The issue today is not about keeping America white. That horse has left the barn.”

Don’t recall ever reading a sadder sentence here on TBP.

Well, there’s always Russia ……

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
October 25, 2017 10:10 am

C’mon, Stucky, we learned about that future world back in 6th grade, I kid you not, along with the prognostication that the world was headed towards a population boom of 6 Billion people (we’ve since blown that cap).

Take a look at Hawaii and see the future. America is on its way toward becoming the new Brazil. A declining standard of living will only accelerate that.

Did you miss the final comment on the war against boomers? Our sex, drugs and rock n roll values are on the way out. Heil New America. And no, I don’t mean it will be Nazified. Far from it. I appreciate that Z-man recognizes the habit of Americans to reject separatist movements. I have mentioned before that the Chicano movement and LaRaza Unida died off because regular folks tend to seek acceptance and inclusion rather than isolation. If the country is going to move left or right, it will have to do so in toto.
EC

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
October 25, 2017 10:27 am

Every other ethnic minority within our borders has zero trouble recognizing their distinct needs and wants in opposition to Whites and have no problem whatsoever in agitating for whatever resources their particular group desires at the expense of the soon to be minority/majority. We’re more than a half century into these policies of redistribution of resources from the former American majority population to the so-called minority populations. While the minority populations have certainly been the beneficiaries of these policies, if it were not for the elites within the major institutions like politics and academia none of it would have occurred and they only appear to be ramping up the dispossession. Reservations appear to be in our future- if we’re lucky.

Only two outcomes are possible- a resurgence of identitarian politics in heritage Americans or their marginalization and assimilation into the population of the dominant ethnic majority whatever that may be.

TC
TC
  hardscrabble farmer
October 25, 2017 10:52 am

Well Zman said the outcome was inevitable and white man should just accept his fate. Worked out just fine in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
October 25, 2017 11:28 am

It’s the old cycle of poverty in hyper-drive. As older generations teach their children to rely on welfare, the younger generation embraces welfare as a lifestyle and seeks a greater payout; more freebies.

As the freebies overtake the benefits of work, the beneficiaries of public largesse normalize and popularize the welfare lifestyle within the group.

The trend will continue until it can’t.
EC

BL
BL
  hardscrabble farmer
October 25, 2017 12:34 pm

HSF- We are still 64% of the population, with control of most of the cash.

If whites were just SMART ENOUGH to apply some monetary pressure to the system then you are cooking. For example, en masse whites should say “commercials with blacks, mixed couples/children etc. will be cause to boycott that company”. THEN DO IT, withhold your $$ from the beast.

Problem with Whitey is NO discipline, Whitey wants government to solve everything but don’t ask Whitey to give up that Big Mac or box of Cheerios while our culture goes to shit. Doing nothing but complaining on internet blogs will NOT bring about change with this problem. Maybe that is the purpose of the whole internet/blog thing to keep the turd rolling down the hill while everyone just taps out words on a keyboard or posts memes saying SOMEONE should do something about the turd. Worse yet are the commenters who constantly say there is nothing that can be done.

EDIT: A week ago, I cancelled my subscription to NetFlix because they were promoting a made for NetFlix Movie with commie Hanoi Jane Fonda and the equally disgusting Robert Redford. I let them know that is why I was done with their services. I can watch YouTube for free, f*** them.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
October 25, 2017 11:33 am

“What, exactly, will happen when we become a smaller and smaller minority?”
Segregation baby!! We will be enslaved to provide the new world with all the new technologies required by our overlords. Building bridges and skyscrapers requires a higher level of IQ, so we will be locked up and “harvested” for our brain power.

JohnDoe
JohnDoe
October 25, 2017 1:50 pm

What is going to happen? People will vote with their feet. Those who choose traditional conservative values will go to a place where there are like people; others with liberal values will find their desired areas. Pretty soon, there will be no reasonable way to maintain the Federal Government that we now have due to these divisions. The US will divide into 5-7 new countries and each can choose to govern themselves appropriately. This will not happen without violence, choose your community wisely.

bigfoot was here
bigfoot was here
  JohnDoe
October 25, 2017 10:53 pm

My hope as well. Long live tribes.

rhs jr
rhs jr
October 25, 2017 8:42 pm

After the weak links of the Diversity Chain have destroyed civilization and eaten the White and Asian people, the Earth will return to the Stone Age.