Originally Posted at Free Market Shooter
The shooting attack at Youtube Headquarters in San Bruno, California followed an all-too familiar pattern of many highly-publicized shootings in the US, with calls for more gun control coming from the usual suspects long before the facts were in:
My staff & I are closely following developments from the active shooter situation at YouTube HQ in San Bruno, CA. Thank you to our heroic first responders. Our Bay Area community – and all American communities – deserve real action to #EndGunViolence.
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) April 3, 2018
Once facts about the shooter began to emerge, and she was identified as a disenfranchised Democrat voter angry with Youtube’s demonetization of her channel, the cries for gun more gun control all but vanished – notably, California has nearly all of the gun controls angry liberals have recently demanded. And while we still don’t know what type of handgun the shooter used, or if it was legally purchased, one of the early facts that leaked out was eerily familiar to the Las Vegas shooting in October:
Others are slightly injured due to running, stampede.
In the (lack of) information released surrounding the Las Vegas shooting, one thing that was grossly overlooked was the outsized number of injuries relative to deaths. The most recent count in January had the total at 58 dead, 851 wounded. Given that Paddock fired “over 1,100” rounds, many at “security guard” Jesus Campos, this would put his hit percentage at over 80%… at a distance of 400+ yards. It didn’t even add up when the count was 58 dead, 550 wounded, even when firing into a massive crowd.
In typical fashion surrounding the shooting, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo’s elaboration of the elevated injury count was missing details, to say the least…
The new overall injury figure provided Friday by Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo is significantly higher than the number of about 550 hurt that was provided last October.
Lombardo provided no further details about the injured or how people were hurt other than by gunfire.
…but it is far easier to put a cause to the injuries to stampedes, once you read some of the stories coming out of the incident:
“The bottom floor of MGM is massive, there were tens of thousands of people running inside, some with blood over their face, some with blood over their arms,” Melinda said, speaking hours later from a hotel room in the MGM, which was in lockdown.
“There was a woman with ripped jeans and blood on her knees.
“I said to her ‘you ok?’.
“She just yelled at me and said, ‘people don’t f**king care, they tried to squash me to get out’.
The Youtube shooting brought back eerie memories of this untold tale, and how dangerous “the crowd” can be in times of peril. In fact, there were more stampede injuries than shooting injuries, once the final tally was in. And while it is important to note that none of the deceased were trampled to death, that hasn’t always been the case, as the extreme case of the Mina Stampede illustrates:
On 24 September 2015 an event described as a “crush and stampede” caused deaths estimated at well over 2,000 pilgrims, suffocated or crushed during the annual Hajj pilgrimage in Mina, Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The high number of deaths caused by the disaster make it the deadliest Hajj disaster in history.
The Saudi government continues to deny the estimated casualty totals, opting for a figure 1/3rd the total. Of the hundreds of human stampedes that have occurred over the years, many have indeed occurred in Mecca during the Hajj pilgrimage, but they are a shockingly common occurrence that goes unreported. Notably, the Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island in 2003 resulted in more deaths and injuries than unharmed:
The Station nightclub fire occurred on Thursday, February 20, 2003, in West Warwick, Rhode Island, killing 100 people and injuring 230. The fire was caused by pyrotechnics set off by the tour manager of the evening’s headlining band Great White, which ignited plastic foam used as sound insulation in the walls and ceilings surrounding the stage. The toxic smoke, heat, and the resulting human crush toward the main exit killed 100; 230 were injured and another 132 escaped uninjured.
While the Youtube shooting fortunately resulted in no fatalities outside of the perpetrator, it has served as a reminder that the Las Vegas shooting still leaves us with far more questions than answers. Why is it that we already know so much about Nasim Aghdam, but we still know so little about Stephen Paddock (and Jesus Campos)?
Regardless, one of the lessons we can garner from both incidents is: always keep your wits about you, and know that a large crowd out of control can possibly be as deadly as a firearm.
However, we won’t be holding our breath waiting for the left to demand “crowd control”.
Human beings are a form of domesticated livestock. 10,000 or more years of living in a very specific manner begins to alter DNA.
Humans behave like a herd because they are part of one.
Exactly, We still have rudimentary canines. I prefer to keep them sharp.[img
[/img]
Robert (QSLV)
Some humans are herd animals. Other humans behave more like pack animals. Its an interesting topic to be sure. Dogs won’t form a herd, and deer won’t form a pack….but humans flip back and forth between the two.
I mean it almost has to be diet driven, doesn’t it? Humans are omnivores, so the ones that could find food solo or with little coordination had no selective pressure towards hyper-predatory packs, while the groups that took down cave bears and mammoths in an age where a sharpened stone was cutting edge technology.
I herd ya. So true. To add to the thought, it occurs to me non pigmented folks live(d) where it snows much of the time. Creating a need to be civil when cloistered/sheltered together. Empathy and get-along becomes virtue and leads to harmony producing thoughts/behaviours and actions. In temperate climes where there is always an option to get away from your group hub, less selection for get-along types. I have read about the violence tendency of darkly melanin’d folks. It does not seem universally true but stereotypically accurate if you look at deep dark Africa. I see highly activated co dependent dysfunction as consensus thinking for many groups of all shades. The larger stampedes I have attended were 10K’s, Atlanta and New Orleans, 40,000 plus running in harmony, and a big party afterwards.
And to add a bit of mirth to the day I submit this for your distraction. I omit any comments about herd’s and their leaders and main breeders.
Big Balls In Cow Town
She used a S&W 9mm. Funny how virtually nothing was said about her because it blew the entire MSM narrative of the white guy with a AR. A. Cooper and D. Lemon were talking about Stormy D. and the border last night without 1 mention of Nasime. Poof, it never happened….
Wife and i were at the edges of a stampede at a conert. Fucking terrifying trying to protect her from the flow of humanity. Trying to hold onto and keep her pressed up against a short wall as i knew we would get trampled if we got sucked into the throng. Kind of like being in a slow moving avalanche.
Oh where to start ? How about cops finding me sleeping in my car packing a 9mm hand gun regardless of how well I handle law enforcement questions I believe this boat guy would be in the back of that cruiser handcuffed arrested under suspicion . Especially considering the fact that the police are acting on a report from the family concerning my state of mind after dropping off the radar . WTF is going on with any of these issues ??
Something is not right !
Law enforcement and security people appears to be dropping a lot balls in this juggling cluster fuck of shooting crimes !
All those billboards proclaiming “see something, say something” have turned this country into a police state. Everyone is afraid of their shadow so they rat on you. The other day I saw my eldest son walking from his in laws house to his home. About 3 blocks. I stopped at the curb and we ended up talking for a few minutes then someone pulls up (about 45yo) saying that their mother was watching and was freaking out. The number of times he said that she was freaking out in a 2 minute span… It seems to me the watchers are the problem. On a different occasion, I parked at a park(imagine that) while I just sat behind the wheel and read. A short time later the fuzz pulls up asking questions. He admitted that someone across the street, working at a grocery store, called and reported a suspicious car. BECAUSE I’M READING? WFmeD
“My staff & I are closely following developments from the active shooter situation…” Wow, I can’t tell you how much safer I feel now. I might as well go throw my guns away knowing I will always be safe because Pelosi is monitoring the situation. Thank you Nancy. USFB
The lack of stampedes in this modern age is why we have so many cows waddling around.
Maybe you will all find this a bit more useful.
I was in a sort of stampede once. It was scary, even though we were, more or less, safe. It was a couple years ago in Seoul on Halloween Night on the main drag through Itaewon near Hooker Hill. The crowd was massive. Thousands of people were crammed into the area. It sucked, but it wasn’t really anything to worry about at first. There was one spot where the sidewalk narrowed down to pass between the street and a massive concrete planter. The planter was sort of a cap over an underground parking garage, the ramp to which was on the opposite side of the planter from the street, and it formed a wall on our left side. As the space narrowed down, the massive crowd was forced into a 5-10′ wide space going towards an intersection. At that point, it went from merely unpleasant, to scary, as we were almost bodily picked up and carried along with the crowd. There was no way to turn around and leave and no way to push forward. I no longer had control over where I walked-the crowd just kept shuffling us forward. I could feel if I were to fall, I would have no chance of getting back up. We were all scared, and we started pushing sideways to the planter, which was about 5 feet above the ground. It was easier to push in laterally than forward or backward. Then, we scaled the concrete planter, cut through the bushes and trees, and dropped 6+ feet down the other side into the downramp. I’ve been in crowds before, but never something like that, and I never want to be in one like that again.
I really hate being around lots of other people.
The February 7, 2011 issue of the New Yorker magazine had an article entitled “Crush Point” which addressed the physics of crowds. Studies have indicated that if more than 7 people occupy a square meter of space energy can be transmitted through the crowd similar to the liquid in a hydraulic system. However, this is different from being stepped on or injured in a stampede.