TRUMP AND MORALITY

Guest Post by SSS

Mr. Michael Gerson
The Washington Post

Mr. Gerson:

A few questions re your opinion column, “GOP’s Trumpian turn has big moral implications.” Be careful with your elitist and selective view of morality and unceasing criticism of Trump. For instance ………….

Was it immoral to liberate millions of Iraqi and Syrian citizens from the brutal grip of ISIS?

Was it immoral to send the Colombian government tens of millions of dollars of additional foreign aid to assist Colombia in dealing with thousands of Venezuelan refugees fleeing that country’s corrupt socialist dictatorship and ruined economy?

Was it immoral to meet with Kim Jong Un and at least TRY, one more time, to get North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons program?

Was it immoral to start bombing Libya back in 2011 for ZERO national security concerns and turn that country into one more failed, extremist Islamic state that repaid our effort with a vicious, unprovoked and fatal attack on U.S. personnel in Benghazi and become a major conduit for sending weapons to ISIS in Iraq and Syria?

Is it immoral to send ICE after dangerous illegal immigrants who pose a threat to the communities where they reside? I live in Tucson AZ, and there are over 6,000 illegal and dangerous FELONS (murderers, kidnappers, rapists and the like) in our STATE prisons alone. Those people cost Arizona taxpayers over $100 million a year just for their incarceration. Is it immoral to try and stop these people at the border before they even get here and start committing crimes?

Is it immoral and racist for Arizona’s law enforcement agencies to form ever growing Gang Investigation Units to specifically target illegal, criminal immigrants from Mexico and Central America?

Steve Sollenberger
Lt/Col, USAF (ret)
CIA Clandestine Service (ret)

Oh, one final point. Is this immoral?

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Robert H Siddell Jr
Robert H Siddell Jr
July 6, 2018 9:31 am

It’s Criminal for the MSM and individuals to constantly find minor faults with Trump and make mountains out of molehills but ignore major felonies by Hillary and other liberals. It is moral for a 100 plus million Americans to be angry about that Willfully Criminally Negligent Traitorous Destructive Behavior.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
July 6, 2018 9:39 am

Is it immoral to send Iran billions of dollars when the gooberment fought in a court of law the folks who were kidnapped by the Iranians and the victims of the Iran sponsored bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon ?

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  BUCKHED
July 6, 2018 11:57 am

Ancient history.

Barney
Barney
  A. R. Wasem
July 6, 2018 7:21 pm

I got 99 problems and ancient history aint one. The ONGOING genocide of Yemeni women and children BY TRUMP on behalf of HEAD CHOPPING MUSLOIDS is a tad annoying.

Wip
Wip
July 6, 2018 9:52 am

Hear here…bravo bravo!!!

Will anything be done…Hell No, Hell No!!!

diogenes
diogenes
July 6, 2018 10:07 am

“Was it immoral to liberate millions of Iraqi and Syrian citizens from the brutal grip of ISIS?”

Who do you think created, trained, and funded ISIS…………. USA! USA! USA!

Remember the footage of ISIS beheading films being filmed that were found on one of McCain’s aids phones.

It was the Russians, Iranians, and Kurd forces who fought ISIS.

Goofyfoot
Goofyfoot
July 6, 2018 10:15 am

The 30 yr old melt from Tejas was arrested for his idiotic crime against a 16 yr old at Whataburger. Pinchi culero.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
July 6, 2018 10:20 am

“Was it immoral for Iran and Russia to liberate millions of Iraqi and Syrian citizens from the brutal grip of US and Israeli armed terrorists such as ISIS?”
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Fixed it.

Taras 77
Taras 77
  Zarathustra
July 7, 2018 12:02 am

Israel arming Azov bn, a neo nazi Ukrainian militia:

https://therealnews.com/stories/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion
(Interview with Max Blumenthal, 13 min video)

Taras 77
Taras 77
  Taras 77
July 7, 2018 1:10 am
pyrrhus
pyrrhus
July 6, 2018 10:36 am

What’s immoral is allowing millions of violent 3d worlders into the US to rape and murder US citizens…What’s immoral is attacking other countries and killing millions of their citizens…What’s immoral is clowns like Gerson covering up the looting of America and the real causes of 9/11…..I could go on…

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
July 6, 2018 10:51 am

In a word, yes. Almost all of those things are immoral and many of them are patently false statements. I suspect that you know these contentions to be false but let us assume that you do not and proceed from there.

There is only one point that I will comment on, and it is your first contention that somehow you and your ilk were instrumental in the defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq. You know, because you probably were involved with the planning of it, that the US was arming ISIS to depose a democratically elected president of a democratic free state that was being invaded by armies of Sunni Muslims who crashed over the border after being chased out of Iraq. You know that the only people who were opposing ISIS were the Syrians, the Russians, the Iranians, and possibly the Chinese. You know this, or you should know this based on your professed position within the MIC. For you to claim otherwise is disingenuous at best. Maybe your little cubby hole in some vast buraquacy didn’t avail you of any insight into the attrocities that your cabal of death promoted.

You don’t get to play the “poor me” card showing your crying kids who missed their daddies who were half a world away murdering other crying kids. Your buddies got as good as they gave and they never ever managed one single mission accomplished unless you count the thousands of ships full of oil that left Iraqi ports during your occupation.

No. Nothing that you suggest is moral. Go and think on your sins.

William Gilkerson
William Gilkerson
  Hollywood Rob
July 6, 2018 12:14 pm

Haaa……..guiltmonger……….nice try there pope Francie. Your pure as the driven snow and go to confession every day …..HAR

Stucky
Stucky
  Hollywood Rob
July 6, 2018 1:21 pm

My God!!! You are making a SHIT LOAD of ASSumptions about the author, his motives, and his loyalties …. and then act all godlike commanding him to think on his sins.

Maybe he should. Then again, maybe you should take out the beam in your own eye first.

You wouldn’t like it if someone rode your ass like that especially if they didn’t know you. So, why do you do it to him? Shameful.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Stucky
July 6, 2018 5:29 pm

Stucky,

No I am not. The man stated his position. He believes that he has the right to kill babies and then fly home to be with his precious little kids. He believes that it is moral to lie about Syria. He believes that it is fine to kill millions of men, women, and children because he, and his god, are right and they, and their god are wrong. He said it, I didn’t. He wrote it down and submitted it because he believes what he said. If you don’t call him on it he will continue to spout the MIC lie in a vein attempt to justify his evil actions. He knows that he has done evil things. You know that he has done evil things. It does not matter that he has a lovely little daughter at home who wants to see her daddy. Her daddy killed people that were no threat to him or his friends. He doesn’t get to sweep that evil under a carpet of patriotism and he knows it. I don’t need to know him. He wrote exactly what he wanted to write and I am calling him out on it. You should too or they will all just continue to kill people every 12 minutes.

Go and think upon your sins.

monger
monger
July 6, 2018 11:09 am

Finally “reunite families, bring our troops home”

Erico
Erico
July 6, 2018 11:14 am

Is it moral for the owner of The Washington Post Jeff Bezos to have multi billion dollar
contracts with the CIA and DoD.???

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
July 6, 2018 11:18 am

Let’s not forget the bs about Columbia and Venezuela.
His beloved CIA has had an on going destabilization program by way of our puppet Columbia for quite some time.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
July 6, 2018 11:34 am

SSS’s return to TBP wasn’t what he expected.

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Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Zarathustra
July 6, 2018 11:55 am

Z..
I was trying to find a reason to be glad but I guess I’m too dull and uncreative but give me a few days and we’ll see.

William Gilkerson
William Gilkerson
July 6, 2018 12:05 pm

MORALITY !!!!!!!!! Hillary talks of morality and the high ground all the time for Pete’s sake. Only problem is she is useing her masters yardstick. Satan’s moral code. Useless to equate anything with psychopaths and pedophiles who think THEY have the high ground.

William Gilkerson
William Gilkerson
July 6, 2018 12:09 pm

After Hillary was informed Kadafy was killed and sodomized with a bayonet she exhibited a glee I can only describe as a demonic. The women is sick, really sick, and worst…..NOT in jail.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  William Gilkerson
July 6, 2018 2:01 pm

Hillary…Hillary…Hillary. You fucking people can’t get over her.

Hillary was A Senator from NY from 2001-2009 and Sec. Of State from 2009-2013. She has not held a public office in 5 years and was a cabinet member for only 4 years. You people act like she was President/Sec. of Defense/Speaker of the House/SCOTUS Justice for 50 fucking years ?!

She is not the President idiots, she lost twice…your guy won (he reminds you every fucking day) so why you are bringing up a former cabinet member 5 years later as if it has any bearing whatsoever on the world today is beyond most ?

Ropadope
Ropadope
  Not Sure
July 6, 2018 2:35 pm

You wouldn’t understand.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  Ropadope
July 6, 2018 4:08 pm

I understand you are directing your anger at a person who is POWERLESS, does not hold a public office, has NOT HELD a public office in 5 years, lost back-to-back presidential campaigns, has no means of making policy and has been relatively quite since Trump has taken office. Even the fucking liberal voters rejected her.

I get it, you hate her, she is pretty fucking far from perfect, but also pretty standard for political corruption and blunders that effect both political parties and have for 200+ years.

Meanwhile, after 7 Benghazi investigations, she has been cleared and not charged as Republicans largely admitted the investigations were an attempt to wound her in anticipation of a 2016 Presidential run, Whitewater accusations are a joke compared to Trumps Real Estate deals, Travelgate is a joke compared to Pruitt. Her fucking emails..her actions were largely consistent with previous secretaries of state and Trump uses a private phone and email account….yet the Russia investigation (considerably shorter in time) which has yielded 5 guilty pleas and 17 indictments is a witch hunt ?

Hate on hater…you are only driving yourself mad and drinking Kool aid.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  Not Sure
July 6, 2018 4:22 pm

Powerless?
The Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative took in BILLIONS while she was a Senator and SOS. Is someone who can spend BILLIONS on her ideology / socialist ideas / friends and cronies powerless?
She still has an army of mindless minions who think Trump “stole the election”. She can ask them to riot and “resist” and they do. Does that sound powerless to you?
She still has friends in (low) places like the Bilderbergers, CFR, DNC and similar outfits. Does having friends who can litigate, legislate, obstruct and deny reforms sound powerless to you?
We will never be safe from socialism until they quit teaching it in public schools. As long as there are socialists like Hillary, the world movement towards totalitarianism is not powerless.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  james the deplorable wanderer
July 6, 2018 5:14 pm

She is powerless and you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist that doesn’t understand the world you live in. Everywhere in the world, throughout all of mankind and written history, people of wealth have attempted to use their wealth to control others and amass more wealth (Trump included on this list). This is not unique to Hillary in any way shape or form. Sheldon Adleson, Koch brothers, Soros etc etc etc. The same is true of corruption in politics. To think Hillary is any different or worse than those currently in power is obtuse and nothing more than a chosen narrative. If she had so much fucking power and influence she would have won both elections….Do you even hear yourself ??

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
  Not Sure
July 7, 2018 6:58 pm

I not only hear myself, I hear you, pointlessly.
You said she was powerless: I gave three reasons she was not.
You then conceded my reasons without realizing you contradicted your earlier assertion of powerlessness on Hillary’s part; you tried to excuse it as “not unique to Hillary” and gave me more ammunition by conceding corruption as well.
Did you ever study geometry, logic or reason? You seem unacquainted with them, still arguing after having conceded every point I made!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Not Sure
July 6, 2018 4:51 pm

Not sure. Ms powerless pantsuit is grooming her devil’s spawn Chelsea at this moment. Her and bill have enough dirt on the entire Washington political Gene pool to never be found guilty by a Congressional committee.
You should leave the sermons to someone who’s good at it.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  Fleabaggs
July 6, 2018 5:19 pm

Yeah Chelsea Clinton is our biggest fear, a private citizen who has never held a public office…Yet Ivanka and dopey husband have WH positions. C’mon Fleabagg

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Not Sure
July 6, 2018 6:59 pm

Not sure.
Me, Rhs,Rob, and Zara have never to my knowledge ever exonerated any of those people or groups.
I am saying the princess of pantsuits and her spawn are still power players in D.C.

Stucky
Stucky
July 6, 2018 1:04 pm

Good to see Herr SSS again …. it’s been so long I actually thought he might be golfing inside the Pearly Gates Resorts. (So solly, Mr. Sollenberger, I had to say that.)

I think it’s ironic that you write about morals to an editor of the Washington comPost …. who couldn’t spell morals if you spotted them the first five letters.

A mighty fine letter, for sure. Curious …. did he respond to your letter?

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
July 6, 2018 1:10 pm

I know SSS supplied the link to the editorial that prompted his own letter. However, I lot of you curs are lazy shits and won’t click. So, here it is …. although you lazy little shits probably won’t read it.

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The moral implications of the GOP’s Trumpian turn

With President Donald Trump’s forthcoming nomination of a Supreme Court justice likely to rally and unify the Republican coalition, some commentators are (again) declaring the end of Never Trump conservatism. “On issue after issue,” says the Ethics and Public Policy Center’s Henry Olsen, the Never Trumpers “are in the minority of their own party.” According to Emerald Robinson, writing in the American Spectator, they are “preposterously out of touch.” Robinson points to the passing of columnist Charles Krauthammer as an indication that “the eclipse of the neocon intellectuals is complete.” Nothing like dancing on the fresh soil of a giant’s grave.

It is difficult to deny Trump’s strength in the base of the Republican Party, evidenced by the degree of political intimidation felt by many elected Republicans. But the most interesting and important questions remain: Is Trumpism a compelling ideological basis for the Republican Party going forward? Is it really the wave of the political future?

It should give the advocates of Trumpism — defined by some mix of protectionism, nativism and bitter resentment of elites — pause that the strongest advocates of the creed are some of the most frightening figures in American politics. I am not necessarily referring to the politicians Trump chooses to endorse in primaries — given that the president’s favor is more based on loyalty than ideology. I am talking about that subset of Republicans who take the ideals of Trumpism most seriously. People like West Virginia Senate candidate Don Blankenship, who, before losing the primary, ran ads highlighting the Taiwanese heritage of Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s wife. Or Iowa Rep. Steven King, who argues, “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies.” Or Arizona Senate candidate and former Sheriff Joseph Arpaio, known for extreme ethnic profiling, terror raids, and cruel and unusual punishment. Or Virginia Senate candidate Corey Stewart, who has associated with white supremacists and thrown his state party into turmoil.

The phenomenon of Republican extremism is hardly new. At the height of the Tea Party movement, the GOP had candidate fitness crises in Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Missouri and Indiana. But two things are now different. First, the GOP establishment is weaker than at any time I can remember. Second, the rhetoric of Trumpism is more explicitly racial than at any time I can remember.

For a party at its height of influence, Republicans remain in a tenuous position at the national level because of Trump. They lost the popular vote count by nearly 3 million in the 2016 presidential election, and Trump has done almost nothing to expand his appeal. Long-term demographic trends are running against the GOP, with the non-Hispanic white population declining from 76 percent to 63 percent over the last two decades and the country on track to be majority minority by 2045.

Some Trumpites are brutally honest about the political challenge in this environment. “I believe that white voters will begin voting for Republicans in larger numbers than they do now,” says Thomas O’Malley in the American Thinker. The political challenge for the GOP, in the meantime, is to “seriously reduce immigration and encourage population growth within the country.” Which clearly means population growth in that portion of the country with less melanin.

The problem? Trump already won the white vote by more than 20 percentage points in 2016. So how does the GOP rack up even greater white support? If Trump’s political strategy is any indication, this will involve a relentless emphasis on race and immigration — on kneeling black athletes, on immigrants who “infest” our country, and on Muslims who are targeted for suspicion.

A strategy of feeding white backlash against a multicultural future worked for Trump — barely — in 2016. Will it work for Republicans in 2018 and 2020? Perhaps, if Democrats move precipitously to the left. But in the longer run, will Trumpism appeal to millennials (who now consistently give Trump around a 25 percent approval rating)? Will it work with suburban women?

And what are the moral implications of a political strategy that employs racial and ethnic antagonism as a motivating factor? Is this really the set of values that Republican leaders want their children to absorb? Will conservatives so easily abandon conservatism for white identity politics? It is an approach to public life that will indelibly stain all who employ it — and all who excuse it.

“This is the question for Republicans going forward,” Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report told me, “Will the GOP be defined not just as the party of Trump but as the party that’s hostile to nonwhites?”

And what if there is no difference?

Michael Gerson’s email address is [email protected].

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
July 6, 2018 1:14 pm

Did you vomit reading that? I also sent Mr. Gerson a letter.

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Mr. Michael Gerson
The Washington Post

Mr. Gerson:

Your opinion column, “GOP’s Trumpian turn has big moral implications.”, ought to be required reading for anyone studying elitism and hypocrisy. Eat shit and da ya faggot.

In Jesus’ Name
Stucky

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Stucky
July 6, 2018 7:04 pm

all you really need to know about gerson is that he was bush,jr s main speech writer–
additionally,this column,along w/lots of other columns written by gerson,should be exhibit a in the evidence stack when trying to convince people that there is not much difference between professional republicans & democrats & professional republicans are much more comfortable w/their fellow travelers in dc then they are w/the folks back home–

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Stucky
July 6, 2018 4:19 pm

I’ll give SSS honors in the no fucks given category for putting up his actual name.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
July 6, 2018 1:52 pm

“Was it immoral to liberate millions of Iraqi and Syrian citizens from the brutal grip of ISIS?”

Even though the letter was short, I literally couldn’t read past this ridiculous statement as though it’s fact bwah hahahaha

I’ve learned that no matter how many facts you give people who spout this drivel off, they will inevitably cling to the false narrative regardless of how many logic holes can be seen in it.

Good luck, future Gestapo warrior!

Not Sure
Not Sure
July 6, 2018 2:05 pm

The US Military is voluntary. If you join and commit, no one is ripping you from your kids, you made that decision when you joined and knew the consequences. Comparing yourself to refugees is disgraceful.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Not Sure
July 6, 2018 7:05 pm

which is why we need a draft–

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TampaRed
July 7, 2018 1:43 pm

Right. Why not force American kids to fight wars for Israel? It’s the logical step if the programming and propaganda don’t work.

Tony
Tony
July 6, 2018 3:08 pm

Illegally entering the USA does not a refugee make. What is disgraceful is that they are no longer called (illegal) aliens or migrants, but they are all refugees now.

Give me a break, libtard is a mental disorder!

RiNS
RiNS
July 6, 2018 3:54 pm

Well taking my lead from Stucky I thought I’d give it a try…

Here is what I wrote. I ran outta time writing the limerick. My apologies to anyone who feelz it to be sub-par. it is beer o’clock. Time to go home

cheers

Mr Gerson

First, the GOP establishment is weaker than at any time I can remember.

You make that sound like a bad thing… it ain’t really

Second, the rhetoric of Trumpism is more explicitly racial than at any time I can remember.

So it is racial because… reasons…

How about people are tired of place being overrun by folks who cannot read or write English.

Gotta say I did enjoy reading about you pining for the good ole days. Wayback when the NeoCons were in charge of GOP. Ah yes, back when it was a unipolar world and ethics reigned supreme…

Remind me when that was by the way…

Then you trot out Krauthammer is some sort of pillar of virtue when it was that man found it impossible to find a war that he could not love. Well at least the ones stoked and encouraged by the misguided aims of AIPAC and the Project For A New American Century.

Yep even as a cripple the now dead Charles never missed a NeoCon dogpile. And he would without fail call out anyone anyone who spoke for a sane and more ethical foreign policy. Someone like Ron Paul.

That is reason Trump won. It was fuck you to all of you!

Here is a newsflash for you Mike. Main Street is tired of your foreign fucken wars of conquest… You want to call that racist then you best find something pointy and swivel.

In the meantime keep pissing and moaning about the The GOP establishment being irrelevant.

Cuz it is. Deal with it!

It was the GOP that did this to themselves. They had their chance to listen to their base in 2008 and 2012. They refused and now they get to choke on their just desserts.. too bad and so sad..

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🙁

They took their path
that ignored their base.
And cut off their neck
to spite their face

Maybe you’ll see
where it now gets

But sadly like Hillary
you cast aspersions instead
See there are no worries cuz
Being a deplorable is the best

So go ahead call us racists
For now and for ever
If that is what you wish

But please stop being salty
Time for cucks like you
to find time deal with it best.

I watched a video onetime
by a fella named Beck
And you’re a loser cuz
Cuz even now you’re looking
for Deep State boots to lick

There is a swamp to drain
So you best get outta Dodge
Cuz you are a part of it.

In the meantime
here’s an idea
and it ain’t racist
Use your ethical time
To go suck on a bucket
Of Big Beautiful dicks…

Yours in Odin,

RiNS the deplorable

and yeah I jest

TampaRed
TampaRed
  RiNS
July 6, 2018 7:24 pm

very good rins–
know what’s really pathetic?
when a high % of you guys up there in canukistan are more tuned in to what’s going on here than half the population of the states–
here,instead of that beer,have a deep swallow of emmy–

RiNS
RiNS
  TampaRed
July 7, 2018 6:54 am

To be honest the landscape in D.C. is just that much more interesting. .

A true revolving three act tragedy over the one act farce we have here. We are stuck with the choice of going the theatre and having to choose between watching…..

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or watching that….

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…. doesn’t help matters that the guy in charge right has issues with glue on his eyebrows along with question of who is really his Daddy…

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnDisWToG8g

James
James
July 6, 2018 7:44 pm

Reading the comments here,decided nope,staying out of this one!

KaD
KaD
July 7, 2018 10:23 am

the Federal Election Commission recently held two days of hearings on proposed Internet regulations. At issues is the supposed Russion interference in the U.S. election that supposedly cost Hillary the election. The whole process is being driven by democrats who just can’t seem to come to terms with the fact that Hillary was an immensely unpopular candidate. The claim is that Russia bought advertising on Facebook that swung the election in favor of Trump. Of course when you look at the actual data, they only spent about $10,000 on 3500 Facebook ads and only about 100 of those were actually political in nature. If you actually look at those, you’d laugh your head off thinking that anyone could be swayed by such childish ads. I guess facts just don’t matter when it comes to Hillary or Trump in the Democrats minds. http://thehill.com/opinion/technology/395595-free-speech-means-a-free-internet-even-if-democrats-dont-like-it

ottomatik
ottomatik
July 7, 2018 11:43 am

SSS- Thanks for the post, I agreed with the majority of your points, was’nt sure about the aid to Columbia, but ill take your word.
I have often wondered about your interpretation of current events @nd it is refreshing to see them put out there.
I hope you are finding time to enjoy the western slope and staying out of the fires. Don’t be such a stranger.