By Tim “xrugger” Stebbins for The Burning Platform
Linus van Pelt, that well-known philosopher, and angst-ridden friend of Charlie Brown, once said, “I love mankind, it’s people I can’t stand!” Cartoon characters rarely speak with such profundity. In eight words (ten if you count the contractions as two each) Linus perfectly encapsulates the extremist worldview. Whether of the left or right, fanatics of every stripe have an insatiable desire to perfect humanity at the expense of humans. At this late date, this should be well understood by anyone with a modicum of common sense. That, however, is far too weighty a subject for the rant I have in mind.
I was thinking about working on part two of the “What If…” essay that Admin so kindly posted a while back, but decided instead to be completely self-indulgent and produce a personal fulmination that is premised on reminding people that, as free individuals, we retain the right to hate that which we find immoral, deviant, and destructive. Moreover, we retain the right to express that hatred verbally, in print or via electronic media. In this degenerate age, the American people have been propagandized into believing they no longer possess that right. Likewise, too many people seem to accept the equally destructive notion that they have no duty to love what is good, decent, and moral. Since I’m in a curmudgeonly mood, I am going to deal with the first part of the hate/love equation. The second can come later.
If I hate someone, it does not necessarily follow that I should seek ways to inflict harm upon them. In fact, the non-aggression principal demands that I initiate no violence against another human being, even one who actively advocates my destruction, so long as they initiate no violence against me. However, that does not preclude me from verbally assaulting the loathsome beasts that adhere to no similar restrictions with regard to me and mine. That is what I intend to do here. The same non-aggression injunction allows that I have the right to rain death and destruction (assuming I have the ability to do so) on my enemies should they decide to initiate violence against me. I believe I have the right to hate. I believe I have the right to react with violence against those who initiate violence against me. These beliefs are exclusive to me as a free man, though others may agree with them. Perhaps holding such beliefs makes me a bad Christian (something I also profess to be), but if I may digress for a moment, I would like to present a brief observation on the somewhat oxymoronic notion of Christian violence. What follows is the text of a comment I made some time back on a TBP thread. It is my answer to those who will naturally accuse me of hypocrisy.
We are commanded, as followers of Christ, to lay down our lives for our friends, not to grovel at the feet of our enemies. Meekly submitting to our own marginalization, isolation, and ultimate annihilation is tantamount to individual and collective suicide. Need I remind any thinking Christian out there that individual suicide is a mortal sin. Can collective suicide be viewed any differently?
Yes, Christians are clearly called to love our enemies, but I would take this to mean that we are to love them as children of the same God. No matter how encrusted with evil and hate the heart of any man may be, his soul is still a mirror awaiting the chance to reflect the love of his Creator back on to the minds and hearts of other men. Having said that, it is also crucial to remember that the God who is infinitely loving, is also infinitely just, and infinitely wrathful. The images of Christ’s Second Coming in Revelation are not a portrait of bucolic harmony.
To embrace the notion that the concepts of self-defense, just war, and retribution have no place in Christian doctrine is to be ignorant of over 2000 years of history. Though vengeance is better left in God’s hands, there is a reason that the Cross and the Sword cast the same silhouette.
Most people I know would consider me a cynic. The less genteel among my acquaintances would likely describe me in less neutral terms (the phrase “opinionated asshole” comes to mind). However, I do not see myself as a hater per se, more as a keen observer of the foibles of my fellow men. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I do not really hate people so much as the ideologies which they espouse and the behavior which flows from their misguided thinking. I wish no physical harm upon them, unless and until they seek to inflict harm on me or mine. In that case, it would be time to hoist the “black flag” of H.L. Mencken and begin “slitting throats.” Now, having served in the military as a paratrooper and a Ranger, I have some familiarity with the methods by which my fellow beings can be made to assume ambient temperature (my favorite is the thread spools and piano wire garrote). However, I do not have any experience of actual combat so do not presume to boast about how I would perform in a situation where “slitting throats” would be required. In any case, it is still sort of a free country and I may hate people if I choose. Here then, is a sampling of my personal enemies list of leftist scumbags, rightist jackasses, attention whores, narcissistic ne’re-do-wells and assorted other deviants.
I utterly despise the self-loathing legions of white liberals who view the destruction of their own people as the necessary evil by which the world is to be made a better place. An even more contemptable subset of this segment of white America are those who hold the levers of cultural power and bray incessantly about the evils of “whiteness” while insulating themselves from the multi-colored mob they hold so dear. From these ranks have come the pussified, pathetically embarrassing wastes of white flesh that kneel for the cameras wearing shackles and draping themselves with signs expressing sorrow for their own existence. These same worthless poltroons will be the quislings and finger-pointing candy-asses who will purchase temporary survival by facilitating the coming attempt at white genocide. They suffer from the delusion that abasing themselves before savages will secure their life and liberty in the new order. A collaborators death awaits them, either at the hands of the destroyers when their usefulness is at an end or at the hands of the avengers when their actions are exposed. For these there can be no sympathy, no empathy, and no mercy. Do not believe for an instant that members of this traitorous group do not exist within your own extended family and circle of friends. If you are not prepared to slit the throat of a family member or friend who would feed you to the hyenas, then you are already behind the learning curve.
I abhor the puffed up purveyors of perverted patriotism that hammer the drum of American Exceptionalism to the detriment of our national character and moral sense. These war-mongering pricks have twisted the exceptional idea of America into a snake pit of political knavery at home and military entanglements, and never-ending wars abroad. We have become the Johnny Appleseed of chaos in the world and the power-lusting jackasses of the military industrial complex continue to gin up new bullshit tornadoes designed to frighten an ignorant and ovine American public into their respective mental root cellars. How did a nation founded as a haven from the militaristic overreach of the old world manage to do little but ignore Adams’ advice and “go in search of monsters to destroy” for the past century and a half? That question is rhetorical by the way, so apoplectic broadsides about who has “really” ruined the good ole U.S. of A. are not necessary, though I’m quite sure they will be served up. There is no dearth of blame to go around on that score.
I detest the howling harridans of the “girl power” generation who have ground the feminine beneath the heel of the “feminist.” To paraphrase Tacitus, “They make a desert of the womb, and call it equality.” These termagants are the assassins of true femininity who mask their crimes with an endless stream of brainless babble about “rape culture,” and “toxic masculinity.” They have driven feminine virtue from the hearths and homes of America and replaced it with either nanny state dependency, miscegenation, and the screeching harpyism that daily assaults the ears of the nation, or the delusions of Amazonian grandeur we see all over entertainment media. They have created the foot soldiers of noxious femininity that have raised the generations of feminized white and mixed race manlets that now infest the nation. In their barren decrepitude, these insufferable dried up crones despise true feminine beauty and fecundity and would have us believe that some tattooed, obese, hairy-pitted monstrosity with a string of abortions under her belt is the new standard of “true womanhood.” They have exchanged feminine truth for a “feminist” lie.
I hate the execrable homosexuals who would have me, not just tolerate their deviancy, but support, and celebrate it. These miserable creatures unabashedly claim that their abnormality is, in fact, normal. Several thousand years of human history notwithstanding, the activist lgbtq “community” will not relent until their unnatural lifestyle is universally celebrated. In truth, this incessant desire for acceptance without the slightest criticism is an unslakable thirst for those who find their identity in whomever they screw. There remains, at some level in the psyche of the perverse, the tiniest of voices reminding them that their aberrant behavior is ultimately destructive of themselves and those upon whom they inflict it. The only way to silence that, nearly obliterated, voice deep down in the deviant heart is to drown it out in a roaring cacophony of universal approbation. They have embraced evil. They know it and they know that you know it; therefore, tolerance must be deified and dissent demonized lest judgment raise its muted voice.
As a corollary to the above, I have profound contempt for the cowards who rail against deviancy until they are personally touched by it. Once a friend or family member “comes out,” as “gay,” or “lesbian,” or one of the newer lgbtq curiosities; formerly staunch defenders of time-honored virtue become shameless advocates of moral turpitude. Of course, there is nothing wrong with expressing support for a loved one who has embraced deviancy. Familial ties and the bonds of friendship are good and natural things, but there is a vast difference between loving the deviant and cheerleading the deviancy and yes, I know that is just another way of saying, “love the sinner, but hate the sin.” If you can’t see the logic in that, I cannot help you.
I hate the leftist douchebags who simply will not learn from history and keep trying to shove socialism down my throat. I hate the rightist scum who simply will not learn from history and keep trying to shove authoritarianism down my throat. I despise the statists and globalists of all stripes who, in their stupefying narcissism and arrogant hubris believe that they have a handle on what is best for everyone. Allow me to enlighten the globally minded by reminding them that I, and many others like me, have little desire to live cheek by jowl with Bantu savages, barrio-dwelling gang-bangers, Detroit hood rats, mohammedan barbarians, or obese, snaggle-toothed, white trash welfare cases. Especially when I know the flabby asses of those who think I should be more compassionate toward the multi-colored downtrodden are securely ensconced behind high walls and armed security. Come back and talk to me after you have spent some time among the debauched, thieving, lying, backstabbing, drug-addled rabble you are so damned fond of. Until then, keep your infantile ramblings about the joys of diversity and your child’s understanding of human history and human nature to yourself. I could go on, but the Queen of the Underbrush tells me that she can see the vein near the surface of my left temple pulsating from across the living room, and has suggested I wrap this up before I stroke out.
I have stated that I have the right to hate, but I do not particularly find it an enjoyable exercise. However, when I survey the howling wilderness that passes for American culture, I can come to no other conclusion than that my fellow countrymen have become equal parts leftist moon bats, and right wing martinets separated by an ever- dwindling slice of the common sense center. Sadly, the words of Yeats ring with an unalterable truth of human nature.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
The fringe elements grow fat feeding on the high calorie bullshit shoveled by the media, corporate shills, and political prostitutes, while the emaciated middle scrambles for whatever scraps of truth may fall from the rich man’s table.
I reserve the right to hate what I know to be repugnant to virtue. I retain the right to loathe those who signal their virtue rather than practicing it. That day may come when I am strapped to a table and my personal O’Brien comes calling to make me believe that two and two make five. Until then and (God willing) even then, I will not surrender my right to think for myself to either the lunatic left or the disreputable right. I will not I surrender my right to hate; neither will I abdicate my duty to love.
fantastic
I hate long reads on a monday morning .
I hate mornings when the previous days posts (well actually, comment discussions) are suddenly blasted off the front page and relegated to the 2nd or 3rd page… where the hot commentary swiftly dies.
When I politely suggested to Admin he might consider having WordPress automatically and gradually release posts throughout the day- instead of suddenly dumping 8 to 10 articles at a time, he tore my head off, and I put my donation checkbook back in the drawer.
You should have sent that $1 check, it would cost Admin more to go pick it up and cash it than not. Sometimes, when you act like a jerk because you feel abused, you only confirm public opinion. If you really want to humiliate Admin, you should send a donation for $500. Better yet, put TBP in your will, that way, when you croak, you will have the last laugh. Imagine how small Admin will feel recalling how harshly he treated you. Don’t delay, send that big check today.
Or go buy some esprit de corps.
Interesting observations
I hate the insufferable. Its Jim’s blog, he can run anyway he chooses. For you to write that and still be here makes you , well, a cunt.
It makes him exactly what he should be… someone expressing his or her genuine opinion.
The suggestion that Jim Quinn is “like” the Fireman in Fahrenheit 451 does not mean he has to actually read all the books he salvages. Nor does the Fireman promote or judge the content.
He only salvages them.
What he puts on the shelf from day to day is up to him.
It kind of seems the donations have been trickling in of late. I will still send mine because it isn’t Admin’s fault he’s attracted idiots to his blog who are stupid enough to think Maggie has a box of tracker botz.
If it’s hardwired into us it serves a purpose.
this is funny–
farmer has written many long,well written replies,along w/many long articles,almost all of which receive tons of up votes–
here he writes a 9 word reply that is both profound but obvious to any thinking person & it only has 4 up votes–
go figure–
He also wrote – it is neither good nor bad – which didn’t get many accolades.
yeah,i remember that,it’s when he was going thru his monk phase,which is certainly better than a kitty phase–
Kitty phase, now who would that be? Maggooey is going through an old lady phase, Wagnes or Aggie or is it Waggie? Warthafuck?
Amazing how they can hate us but we can’t hate back.
Does that make them better?
What I hate:
–Israel
–jewish supremacists
–communists and socialists
–jewish bolsheviks
–zionists and their christian enablers who put Israel and jews on a pedestal
–the “deep state”
–the murderers who attacked the USS Lberty (GTR-5) and murdered 34 Americans and wounded over 173
–lyndon johnson who covered up the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) because he “did not want to embarrass an ally”
–holocaust promoters who incarcerated two German grandmothers for speaking out the truth about the holohoax
–holocaust promoters who are not interested in the REAL truth about that minor event in history
–holocaust beneficiaries who were never near an internment camp
–the holocaust in general, as it has become a “cash cow” and an extortion scheme
–the lies and fabrications about the holocaust in order to evoke sympathy for jews
–holocaust lampshades, soap and shrunken heads that were holohoax propaganda pieces
–those dual-citizenship types who have taken over MY country, for the benefit of Israel
–the way Germany was treated after the world wars who were started by others
–the way German civilians were treated by the “allies”, put in concentration camps after the war
–the perpetrators and enablers of the WTC 911 attacks. Hint: they weren’t arabs
–AIPAC, JDL, $PLC, ACLU, and any other foreign organization operating in my country
–john mccain, his phony valor and his cover-up of live POW sightings
–any dual-citizenship
–anyone who does not put the interests of the United States first
–anyone who does not put the interests of the United States first
And you call yourself an anarchyst, you freaking statist.
EL Coyote, you need to THINK before you spout off…yes, it is possible to put one’s country first and still be a anarchist by minding one’s own business, not attracting attention to yourself, and “flying under the radar” when it comes to laws, statutes, and other unconstitutional mandates from government, Yes, it can be done.
an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
“he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy”
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil
“conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy”
absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
Nonrecognition of authority does not mean absence of public order…anarchism has nothing to do with the lack of “public order”, but is merely expansion on the “nonagression principle” in which anarchists possess the means to defend and protect not only one’s self, but other as well without resorting to government agents.
Anarcyst, ‘the interests of the United States’ is code for cronies who are unable to rape and plunder abroad at will; they then call in the marines. You think it means the welfare of Americans.
Portions of your essay could be passionately proclaimed in a poetry slam.
I, too, remember a time when “intolerance” was called “discernment”.
Political Correctness is stealth hate; words of asphalt laid by seemingly well-intentioned sealcoaters over the road to hell.
I felt like a cigarette after reading that piece; which is strange, because I don’t smoke.
It is an interesting time in history to be a Christian.
A few thousand years ago, Christians entered the scene as lambs to the slaughter of the self interests of the beast that was the Roman Empire. Today, Christians are (or were) at the top of the establishment of the Judeo-Christian empire of the US of A, enjoying all the fruits of establishing one of the best forms of government the world has ever known.
Here’s the problem; the Bible, written at the time of Roman rule, laid out specific cases where the faithful at that time, were subjected to persecution, that came and went depending on the benevolence (or hatred) of the dictator who happened to be ruling at the time.
So, where in the Bible do we go to learn how to conduct ourselves in this new, soon to be deteriorating, current environment? Are we hopelessly chained to a 2000 year old world view much like the Muslims (700 years) of today? Or, are there universal, timeless truths that can give us direction in this chaotic world we are living in now?
IMHO, the Word of God is timeless and for me, offers an insight that can help me navigate in this current environment just as it helped those who were facing death as martyrs in the Coliseum long ago.
The eternal words as summed up by our Lord are as follows: Do unto others, then split (no, sorry, wrong quote).
“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind and shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Timeless and profitable for this age, or any age.
Then where does hate fit in? Can we as Christians “hate?” Again IMHO, we are to love our neighbors but also to hate the systems of darkness that would seek to destroy what God has established, whether it be my faith, His church or even the system of government, where by laws we have had the rare experience of freedom to speak and to worship under the protections of the laws as established by the government. So I can hate globalism, liberalism and any ism that would seek to destroy my faith or the freedoms I exercise to practice my faith. But what if my neighbors are globalists, liberals etc? Do I hate them? No, I can hate what they represent but I must love them, for this is what I am called to do and as long as they do not force their belief or government on me, live in peace with them. But if they come to my door in violence to force their their belief upon me, then I must resist the system they are forcing on me with whatever means I have at hand to defend myself. Do I hate them? No, I can separate the system that I hate from the neighbor whom I love, but in defending myself will feel compassion in helping them to see the damage they are bringing and if no other recourse, the sadness that I will have in defending myself at the expense of their life.
All I have expressed I believe is in harmony with the Bible I believe in and will allow me to live with a good conscience when I stand before my Maker for the actions I have done in my life; may God give us the wisdom to negotiate these dangerous times with a life without regret of the things we do.
“we are to love our neighbors but also to hate the systems of darkness ”
Hate the sin, love the sinner. Right? What a crock of shit!! Not even GOD is capable of that …. or, perhaps you don’t comprehend how the sheep are separated from the goats at the JUDGEMENT Throne. Millions are cast into hell …. no “love the sinner” bullshit from Jeebus, see?
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“But if they come to my door in violence …… Do I hate them? No”
Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Fuck you and your bullshit. What the fuck are you trying to prove here? What a great Christian you are? So, you’re telling me if some nignog breaks down your door and rapes your ten year old daughter that …. that …. that you won’t hate him????? That you will defend her and even kill the nignog with LOOOOVE in your heart?
You fooled 5 people into giving you a thumbs up. But, you know what Abe Lincoln said about fooling all the people. I don’t buy your self-righteous horseshit for one stinking minute. That you can lie with such profundity is a sight to behold.
I withstood them and feared not, for my buddy Stuck would soon be there to destroy them.
Dude, how dare you tell me how I would react? You would declare me a liar because you cannot fathom that I do not think the same as you? To insist your choice is right over my free will to chose is to place yourself over me as my superior?
We have had many conversations over the time I have been posting here and I will remember you based on them, as opposed to your latest reply to me. I won’t attempt to justify my position, only to ask you to allow others to have their thoughts and not dump on some one who holds a different opinion than you do.
Notty, one of the few unwritten rules of TBP is to not carry over a fight from one day to the next. Kick his ass now if you want to, or forgive him as you say you are prepared to do to a person who rapes and kills your daughter but don’t go V for Vendetta on Stucky.
“You would declare me a liar because you cannot fathom that I do not think the same as you?”
No. I declare you a liar (in THIS particular instance only) because I cannot fathom ANYONE actually behaving as you claim you will.
Notice that I said “behavior”, and not “thinking”. You can think any damned thing you want. Just this morning I was thinking that I was gonna shit gold bars. Alas, all I got was the same old brown stuff. Actions matter. I wonder how in the hell you can know what you would do under some extreme circumstance unless you actually experienced that extreme circumstance? You can’t … but it sure is fun to “think” about, and tell everyone how righteous you would act.
Your screed above about LUUUV and never ever hating anyone — not even someone who commits evil egregious acts of violence against your immediate family — is, at best, pure poppycock, wishful thinking based on the Ideal Christian (of which there are none), or at worst (as I already mentioned), pure unadulterated bullshit.
Your splitting hairs, thinking vs. behaving, but that’s okay.
While we are throwing around scenarios, I laid out my justification on my approach to a violent confrontation, but in a the end, socialism, liberalism, or racism or mental illness or greed or whatever, I would put a bullet in the head of anyone coming to do violence against me or my family (I do have a daughter who just turned nine, your example was a little too close for comfort).
I just offered my reason for ending someone’s life in self defense, how do you read into me being a Christian not taking that persons life without satisfaction at their death? Maybe a larger question; many Christians in the military, do you want to include them in your search for hypocrisy?
Finally, I hate the idea of taking life, but if a life must be taken, I don’t see why according to you if vengeance is the motive, why I must dance and be joyous in the act as you would appear to be, in the same situation.
If we are honest, I would guess that you have never had to make that decision so how either of us would react is moot; I would rather take a criticism from someone else who has gone down that road and can speak as to their experience, rather than an armchair actor who knows as much about it as I do.
” … if vengeance is the motive, why I must dance and be joyous in the act as you would appear to be, in the same situation.”
Because …
— 1. Lord Odin commands it.
— 2. Conan the Barbarian does it.
As far as being an “armchair actor” let me ***WARN*** you, grasshopper …. I have slain HUNDREDS in my lifetime. So, watch out, bub.
My apologies, I wanted to edit that part to say sorry if I’m assuming wrong that you have not been in a position of taking a life, but was too late and missed the opportunity.
I hope its a hypothetical I will never have to deal with, in your case, you have already been there. Thanks for your replies.
Either you don’t understand my brand of humor …. or, I don’t understand yours.
So, just to be clear, I have never taken a human life.
But, in my small black heart I would like to. Starting with The Three Evil Cunts; Pelosi, Maxine, and Pochahontas.
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
I assume that since we are to strive to be Godlike, we are also to hate these things. Would that make our hatred RIGHTEOUS?
Indeed! Doing the same as God would do makes you righteous. That being said, I would advise against you drowning (Noah, et. al) all the evil people you know.
I must have missed something somewhere. When did you become “Agnes”, and why???
Agnes and Maggie are a thing, although Agnes is older:
https://youtu.be/B4ACnD6pK6M
I’m with Stucky on this one. Revenge is sweet! No lovey dovey for those who threaten friends or family. “Those who turn the other cheek will be taking it between the cheeks.” – Gordan Liddy
Have to agree, I think my name speaks for itself.
If there was a Pulitzer for Best Rant, you would win.
I agree with every point you made, and dealing with the madness is an ongoing challenge to my mental health. This morning I especially hate Congress and the sick shenanigans that characterize that august body. Why any decent American would now consider becoming a public servant escapes me. (Indecent ones will continue to grasp the opportunity, of course.)
A cursory study of what we call the liberal arts clearly demonstrates how this world works: what is noble, healthy, beautiful, and life-affirming. The enemies of the preceding list have captured much of the collective hive mind, so we may be entering a period of great darkness where much progress of the healthy sort will be lost. Unless the world and its history ends, how many centuries will it take to restore the light?
Well said. Could summarize by stating that it is legitimate to “hate” all manifestations of “socialism”, both historical and contemporary.
I hates all those things too.
Here, here . . . . . Jolly good!
I hate assholes who pad their writing with useless phrases like “in and of itself” and disguise that padding by using a stealth phrase like “per se”.
Who do you like?
Never mind, it is not productive to furthering the conversion as such.
I guess I come across as a misanthropist. I learned from my old boss to root for the underdog, side with the oppressed, defend the powerless. If that seems like I don’t like many folks, you are sorely mistaken.
Adding ‘as such’ to your comment was gratuitous per se.
I am starting to understand your point of view now. And my sarcasm filter must be off today…
Do you mean conversation? Or are you converting someone?
Nevertheless and notwithstanding, you should have learned a bit more about esprit de corps.
“Though vengeance is better left in God’s hands, there is a reason that the Cross and the Sword cast the same silhouette”. Best line I have read in a long time….
Wino, you obviously have not read Uncola, Bob Gore or Hardscrabble.
El Peyote,
Love those guys. Great writers all, but their stuff pales in comparison to all the great essays you’ve posted…oh wait…I’m thinking of someone else. I did really love that article you wrote about…oh damn it…that was someone else as well, but there was that one post of yours that…wrong again…that wasn’t you either.
Perhaps you should consider stepping out into the arena yourself. Even with your stunted intellect and limited vocabulary, you could probably…maybe…possibly… produce something… sort of… approaching mediocrity.
Dipshit
and the crowd cheered wildly.
Screwgger gets personal using trigger words like stunted and dipshit. I’m short, so what? You sound a mite defensive there, Moosedick.
Do you know that mediocre means average? You must. Your writing is mostly average garbage regurgitated from all the other current opinions on Fox.
“Need I remind any thinking Christian out there that individual suicide is a mortal sin. ”
———— xrugger
Stopped reading right there. Really. Cuz you’re an idiot.
You escaped reading about all the people he hates. He made YoBe’s Nazi period sound like the Dalai Llama.
Ah Stucky…God bless your tiny little heart. Good thing you stopped reading when you did. It would be a damn shame for you to start underpinning your pithy comments with anything resembling a detailed understanding of what you’re talking about.
I read it. Enjoyed it.
Agnes gets down:
https://youtu.be/9YGWbxQbgZc
Well, that was a very nice reply, fer sure.
First, I may have been a bit grouchy yesterday. You see, the remnants of hurricane Flo have descended upon New Jersey. People are DYING!! It’s CATASTROPHIC, man! Tree branches are everywhere!! We are facing walls of water everywhere we look! It’s up to my car’s rims in one section of my driveway! Cats are stuck in trees! I am running out of food and water!!!!!! Does anyone give a fuck about my plight? Nooooo ……
Second, I was just trying to get a personal response from you. It is your policy, I believe, to not generally reply to comments about your writing. So, I thought, “wtf … lemme call him an idiot, and let’s see what happens.” It worked.
BTW, I DO believe you are in error regarding suicide being a mortal sin. According to wiki — “A sin is considered to be “mortal” when its quality is such that it leads to a separation of that person from God’s saving grace.”
There are but six instances of suicide in the Bible. Condemning the suicide victim to eternal separation from God minimizes God’s grace to an extraordinary huge degree. As such, in none of those six instances are the suicide victims condemned. When the Bible is silent on a subject, so should we be.
I DID enjoy the article.
I knew it! I thought to myself, Stuck is in a really bad mood/having a bad day. Not that your not grouchy on a normal day…just extremely grouchy yesterday. I didn’t say anything lest you should turn your wrath upon me. By saying something now, you may turn your wrath upon me. I was grouchy too, so two grouches in the same blog might start a shitfest which I just wasn’t up to. It just woulda made me more grouchy. In fact, I have been noticing that a lot of people are just plain grouchy lately.
Have fun in your grouchyness!
“Have fun in your grouchyness!”
Today, I am not grouchy.
I am deeply sad.
I should have gone to the bakery this morning to get dad his favorite chocolate cake for his birthday today. But, he’s dead.
So, I’m on the internet today trying to distract my mind, to not remember anything. Tequilla would be much better. But, I don’t like getting drunk this early in the day.
You will be happy to know that not only can my dog get as many Tramadol pain relievers as he can take from the veterinarian, I can now get a shitload of painkillers from my fine medical team assembled to take care of this wounded warrior.
Big. Cheesy. Grin.
Who needs tequilla when you got real drugs?
It was a bit of a rant, but there was other worthy bits in it. I particularly like the tirade about feminism and homos.
“I detest the howling harridans of the “girl power” generation who have ground the feminine beneath the heel of the “feminist.” To paraphrase Tacitus, “They make a desert of the womb, and call it equality.” These termagants are the assassins of true femininity who mask their crimes with an endless stream of brainless babble about “rape culture,” and “toxic masculinity.” They have driven feminine virtue from the hearths and homes of America and replaced it with either nanny state dependency, miscegenation, and the screeching harpyism that daily assaults the ears of the nation, or the delusions of Amazonian grandeur we see all over entertainment media. They have created the foot soldiers of noxious femininity that have raised the generations of feminized white and mixed race manlets that now infest the nation. In their barren decrepitude, these insufferable dried up crones despise true feminine beauty and fecundity and would have us believe that some tattooed, obese, hairy-pitted monstrosity with a string of abortions under her belt is the new standard of “true womanhood.” They have exchanged feminine truth for a “feminist” lie.
I hate the execrable homosexuals who would have me, not just tolerate their deviancy, but support, and celebrate it. These miserable creatures unabashedly claim that their abnormality is, in fact, normal. Several thousand years of human history notwithstanding, the activist lgbtq “community” will not relent until their unnatural lifestyle is universally celebrated. In truth, this incessant desire for acceptance without the slightest criticism is an unslakable thirst for those who find their identity in whomever they screw. There remains, at some level in the psyche of the perverse, the tiniest of voices reminding them that their aberrant behavior is ultimately destructive of themselves and those upon whom they inflict it. The only way to silence that, nearly obliterated, voice deep down in the deviant heart is to drown it out in a roaring cacophony of universal approbation. They have embraced evil. They know it and they know that you know it; therefore, tolerance must be deified and dissent demonized lest judgment raise its muted voice.”
It probably should be edited and cleaned up, but the sentiment is solid.
Turn that frown upside down,
What do they say about taking more energy to make a frown than a smile.
Uncertainty breeds fear
And
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” – Yoda
I hate All Luciferians and their towies ( just about everything you do ) in America. You also forgot about all the secret societies that worship Satan like the Freemasons ( Who are subversive traitors ) even though they will look you straight in the eyes and lie through their damn teeth claiming they are not. I hate members of my own family who are liberals progressives . For me as long as I try to obey God’s 10 Commandments and not physically hurt anyone that is loving These bastards .
I hate the son of a bitches that got away with murdering 2700 on 9/11 and they were not Arabs . Six of the 19 so called hijackes are still alive. Plus saw a program recently where the 5 dancing Jews that got caught fliming 9/11. One admitting they were there to document the events. Said it on Israel tv which tells anyone the Israeli government knew about the attack before hand.
As you can tell their is much to hate.
Hope you make it to the goat grab, beebs.
It is called RIGHTEOUS indignation. Righteous anger.
And, yes… Righteous Hatred can be found in God’s Word.
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
I believe that since we are to be “like” God, then we must hate these things too. But, that’s just my interpretation after reading a shitload of theory and other spiritual philosophy. And, yes, Yoyo kitty boy, I’ve studied Zen and I’ve looked at many Eastern philosophies. I’ve a cousin living in Pondicherry in India and another who spent twenty years in the Outback of Australia. I’ve got no illusions suggesting I have a better relationship with the Lord than anyone else.
I just know I’m blessed. I suggest you figure out how to get to a blessed relationship.
1 John 3:13
Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.
“That cheap wine be putting a hurt on my ass” – Noah
That’s funny, but Ham slept with his mother. She’s the one that shoulda kept her ass to the wall. That’s why Canaan was cursed. He was Ham’s brother and son.
Where do you get that from? All it says is he wanted to look on his nakedness. Then he went to make fun of Noah with his brothers who didn’t see anything funny in it. Why do people assume sex was involved?
Is a little know factoid, Mary. Your smarts are showing.
Citation please. Next you’re going claim Adam had a second wife.
I hate people who preach from moral grandstands.
In your finalé you wrote…
I reserve the right to hate what I know to be repugnant to virtue.
Wow! just wow!
Must be tuff being secure
Reserving your right to hate.
When you live in the clouds
with the same people you berate.
Making repugnance a virtue
Wielding the cudgel of your faith..
A lot should be said here and I’m late to the party. Life beckons…
I hate the same things that xrugger hates. I don’t get along with such people as he describes but will not initiate violence against them. I don’t enjoy the feeling either. I hate it.
I’m hearing what Not Sure is saying. “may God give us the wisdom to negotiate these dangerous times with a life without regret of the things we do.”
Amen my brother.
I hear what Stucky is saying. He sees blatant hypocrisy in Christianity and that’s (at least one of the things) that turns him off. I see the same.
What I also see running through nearly every thread of Christian thought is that we are to somehow “follow Jesus” as He taught in His earthly ministry. This is not right. It is not possible to follow Christ as the 12 (and those in the Jerusalem church) were able to follow Him, as we are not empowered or asked to do so. To get the full meaning of what it is to FOLLOW Jesus, read the first 5 chapters in the book of Acts (KJB). It is not possible for us because those (Jewish) people were Holy Spirit empowered in ways which we are not. One might think this next statement is picking nits, but the difference when fully considered is extreme. The 12 (and others to differing degrees) were baptized BY Christ WITH the Holy Ghost. Believers today are baptized BY the Holy Ghost into the church the body of Christ. And no, that’s not a water baptism… but a spiritual one. They had extreme supernatural powers, believers today do not. They were communists… GASP!!! Communism works only when Divinely inspired (Acts 4:32-35). Hmmm… I wonder who it is that wants communism in the world so badly today? Hint; it’s not God.
Not Sure writes… “So, where in the Bible do we go to learn how to conduct ourselves in this new, soon to be deteriorating, current environment?”
So much confusion comes from not understanding the most basic fact that Christ did not send the 12 Jewish apostles (12 Jewish tribes…) to believers today, He sent Paul, the first Christian. Paul is the pattern Christians today are to follow. Learning this is the key to understanding Gods Word.
1 Tim 1:15-16… “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
To answer Not Sure directly, we go to the 13 epistles of Paul to learn how to conduct ourselves in this rapidly deteriorating current environment.
1 Cor 14:37… “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”
1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”
He sent Paul first to those Jews who didn’t believe that Christ was who He said He was. When they still failed to see Him, Paul was sent to the “far hence” Gentiles (Acts 22:21, 28:28). Those people who were strangers to the covenants of promise which God made to the nation Israel; you and me who had no hope.
Eph 2:12… “That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”
The 12 and those who followed them were supernaturally empowered to love in ways which non supernaturally empowered man can not. Paul exhorts us (the whole of Romans chapter 12 perfectly applies to this article):
Rom 12:18… “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”
Basically then, if it’s not possible, a man has to do what a man has to do. We are not to lay down our lives like sheep to the slaughter even though the world (including some “Christians”) would treat us that way or expect us to.
All that said, a few questions for xrugger if he has the opportunity to answer, in order that Christianity be more fully understood.
Aside: (There is a lot of bad teaching out there; I’ve heard most of it. How does one know that this isn’t more of the same? Acts 17:11… “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” It takes work.)
1) “Perhaps holding such beliefs makes me a bad Christian (something I also profess to be)” Is there any such thing as a “good” Christian? Honest Christians know first and foremost that they themselves are “bad” people in dire need of Divine assistance. Can one Christian be better than another?
2) “We are commanded, as followers of Christ, to lay down our lives for our friends, not to grovel at the feet of our enemies.” Scripture please… Remember, that it was God Himself who laid down His life for His ENEMIES (Rom 5:10); not just His friends as in (John 15:13-14) because there is a mighty big IF in those verses. Would you do that? Could you possibly do that? There are many I would die for, none are my enemies. That’s what a follower of Christ (if there were such a thing in this age) would be commanded to do. As Stucky said… “So, you’re telling me if some nignog breaks down your door and rapes your ten year old daughter that …. that …. that you won’t hate him?????” That’s a dead man in my house. I hate what sin has done to him; but I’d kill him on the spot nonetheless. I’d hate him too. That is what sin has done to me. Gods hatred is perfectly just. Mine is seriously flawed.
Psalm 139:22… “I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.”
3) “Need I remind any thinking Christian out there that individual suicide is a mortal sin.” Again, scripture please. Christians are forgiven all trespasses (Col 2:13). There is no condemnation from God toward us (Rom 8:1). We are saved by the blood of Christ (Rom 5:9). If I put a bullet into my brain in the next moment I KNOW where I am going. Nothing can change that (Rom 8:38-39) not even satan himself.
4) “To embrace the notion that the concepts of self-defense, just war, and retribution have no place in Christian doctrine is to be ignorant of over 2000 years of history.” What effect does human (church) history have on Gods written instructions to man throughout human history? Seems to me (and to God as per His Word) that we tend to screw things up far more often that we get things right.
“…it is also crucial to remember that the God who is infinitely loving, is also infinitely just, and infinitely wrathful.”
Amen sir.
I appreciate your frustrations and share in them too. I look forward to part 2.
“He sent Paul, the first Christian.” —– GCP
You are sorely mistaken.
1) In Acts 2 Peter preaches to 3,000 in Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit descended, and all 3000 were baptized in Jesus’ name that day. THEY were Christians waaaaay before Paul was. When these 3000 became Christians, Paul was still persecuting them.
2) How can Paul be the “first Christian” when he was actually persecuting Christians while he (Paul) was still not a Christian??
“And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.” — Acts 26:11
You lose all credibility when you get something so very basic so very wrong. It’s like believing someone who says God gave Moses 11 commandments.
That was awesome Stucky..
Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
Whenever RiNS quotes scripture I get all discombobulated.
He’s said before that he likes to yank people’s chains by writing outrageous stuff here. In fact, he has many lighting rods around his property.
Come on Varmit. You are blowing my cover…
GCP loves to obfuscate with a ton of verses, I suggested he simply state his position and you would advise him. Instead, he posted more verses for me to read and added, ‘hope this helps’ like I somehow didn’t understand. I think he meant to say that he sent Paul to the Gentiles, these are the Christians of today, unlike the early Christians who would have had a better grounding in Jewish tradition.
Ain’t gonna happen
and why?
See the pastor can’t help it.
As he quotes another verse.
Making answers a question
Counting Facts with obfuscation
Its pointless to advise him
That he don’t know shit…
Rins:
Write out in detail the abuse you have suffered , however many pages that takes and wrap them tightly around a good size rock then secure well with duct tape.
Take a boat or find a bridge over some deep water but a pier will do and throw the rock in.
This ceremonial act has been know to help people to let things go.
Stucky should do it also.
All frothing at the mouth atheists that I have met were raised catholics , every one.
Nobody has abused me.
Well maybe except for you.
But don’t fret mon ami.
I will soon get over it.
Yeah you can’t admit.
Being a cunt that is.
When It comes naturally
cuz yer Gawd was too!
I see…..
Great! Glad I can help..
annnnnd you’re welcome.
I post a ton of verses so those who want to read what I write can see that I’m not saying anything the Bible does not say. Please don’t believe me, believe His Word.
I don’t require Stucky’s advise on scriptural matters El Coyote. Hope this helps.
Blathering verse just makes you a Shit Monkey in a fancy Suit.
“You are sorely mistaken.”
I don’t think so. On the contrary, you have something to learn. The Bible is a two-edged sword and you have enough knowledge to cut yourself up pretty good.
Heb 4:12… “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
1) In Acts 2 Peter preaches to 3,000 in Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit descended, and all 3000 were baptized in Jesus’ name that day. THEY were Christians waaaaay before Paul was.
Actually Stucky, if you read the words in Acts chapters 2, 3 and 4… you will see that Peter was addressing Jews, men of Israel, in Jerusalem (where the Jews are). These were Jews who believed that their prophesied Jewish Messiah had come. There were not that many… 3,000 on that day out of how many in the nation? They were not Christians. They were believing Jews, still zealous of the law in late Acts:
Acts 21:20… “And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:”
Peter was born a Jew, lived life as a Jew, recognized the prophesied Jewish Messiah, was baptized a Jewish priest, died a Jew, will be resurrected a Jew and will sit on a one of 12 Jewish thrones judging one of 12 Jewish tribes.
They were “in Christ” way before Paul was; but not in the way a believer today is “in Christ”. Today a believer is “in Christ” by grace through faith plus nothing. They were Jews. We are Christians.
Gal 2:16, 21… “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
The Jews had commandments to follow for a very good reason. They were (will someday be) the channel of blessing from God to the entire world as per:
Genesis 12:1-3… “Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
2) How can Paul be the “first Christian” when he was actually persecuting Christians while he (Paul) was still not a Christian??
Great question. Short answer: because God did something completely different with Paul than with any other human being. Before Paul, during the reign of Israel, the only way a Gentile could be blessed by God was to bless a Jew (Gen 12:1-3 above). See Cornelius, the one Gentile Peter did directly address, in:
Acts 10:1-2… “There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.”
Cornelius was an intelligent man. He knew what God was up to back in that time. He gave much alms to “the people”.
Paul was a Jew who was viciously persecuting Jewish believers (in synagogues where Jews gather as you note above – Acts 26:11), not Christians. Paul would have called them blasphemers (blaspheming what? their Jewish religion.) for believing Jesus was their Messiah, much like the Jews do today. Where were any people FIRST called Christians? Not in Jerusalem…
Acts 11:25-26… “Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
Antioch was Paul’s home base. It is also the location where the majority text (Textus Receptus – eventually the KJB) was compiled long before the catholic church got their satanic claws into the writings and claimed the perverted Alexandrian text as their own (Douay–Rheims). They were FIRST called Christians NOT in Jerusalem, but in Antioch. They were never called Christians in Jerusalem. They are called Jews. Some believing, most not.
Also, as I quoted above, Gods Word tells us that Paul was the first Christian. The first to receive grace as an enemy of the Lord.
1 Tim 1:15-16… “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
You yourself have rightly noticed that what Paul teaches believers today is radically different than what Jesus and the 12 taught their followers. There is an extremely good reason for such. It is that men of all nations could now be saved by placing their faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ and NOT keeping the Mosaic law, becoming a Jew or by the Abrahamic covenant promise of Gen 12 as Cornelius did. Paul is speaking to Jews in a synagogue when he states…
Acts 13:38-39… “Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
Nothing of the sort had ever been claimed. It is why you, some “Christians” and the Jews think Paul is of the devil. They wanted him dead and eventually got their wish fulfilled. You want him to rot in hell. Sorry but you misunderstand him as they did. Paul did more to destroy the plans of the devil than all but Christ Himself. I should say, God through Paul did…
“It’s like believing someone who says God gave Moses 11 commandments.”
More like 600+ when all was said and done…
Grace is about as compelling as HAL when it comes to splaining himself..
and nothing original. Just code written by someone else..
Must find switch…
You should do the same thing by quoting the Havamal
Yours in Odin. Check this out
Thanks Man!
Funny thing is I have been giving some thought to writing about that.
Maybe I will..
I was doing some reading on weekend on theories of Big Bang. Found many parallels with that ancient text. It seems that the Vikings, those ingrates from the North, might have long ago understood Quantum Level Physics. One theory talks of a potential that existed prior to singularity….
Maybe those barbarians were on to something..
That was the age when nothing was;
There was no sand, nor sea, nor cool waves,
No earth nor sky nor grass there,
Only Ginnungagap.[1]
Anyways having some fun today. skal..
Yours in Odin,
RiNS
Bible convention holds Steven as the first Christian martyr. How can that be if Paul, who is watching him get stoned, will be the first Christian? You are misreading Paul’s writing, he says he is the first, chief, among sinners. He is not taking Adam’s place, it is figurative language. Hope this helps.
When I said hope this helps the first time it was meant in all sincerity.
“Bible convention holds Steven as the first Christian martyr. How can that be if Paul, who is watching him get stoned, will be the first Christian?”
Good question… What is “Bible convention” but what man has said about the Bible over the years? “Bible convention” is why the church itself is so fubar’d… it has left the Word and followed its own wisdom. My whole point, why not go directly to the source, the Bible itself, to see what it says? Not only does Paul claim to be the first, he also says he is the pattern upon which all believers should now follow. Look at the words in the verse again.
1 Tim 1:15-16… “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
“He is not taking Adam’s place, it is figurative language.”
Not entirely sure what you mean by this. Paul is not claiming the first sin, he is claiming the roll of “chief of sinners” for persecuting the Jewish remnant. The Bible is to be taken literally unless it says it is speaking in metaphor which it sometimes does.
Now, who was Stephen? He, like Peter was a Jew, who, with Peter, will sit atop a throne judging one of the 12 tribes. Read Acts chapter 7 and tell me Stephen is anything but a Jew. He practically sums up the entire history of Israel in that single chapter. Extra points if you can find the Israeli flag in the chapter…
This entire Judeo/Christian nonsense needs to come to an abrupt end. I’ll not hold my breath. There is no such thing. Never has been. The concept is a tool to get uninformed Christians to support Israel; or to somehow believe that we have become part of their program. They are not Gods people today. They are Lo-ammi.
Hosea 1:9… “Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.”
Rom 9:25-26… “As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.”
Note, any person of Jewish decent can be saved as any other person in the world. By believing on Him who died for sin and rose again for justification.
You contradict yourself, oh wise one. for you say Steven is a Jew and therefore cannot be a Christian, though he says he sees Jesus seated next to the Father. Then you say Jews can be saved even if Steven wasn’t (according to you).
You contradict yourself, oh wise one.
Why such a wise ass? I do no such thing.
Actually Stephen sees Jesus STANDING next to God the Father. He is about to return in judgement. Peter had just previously prophesied that what the prophet Joel said was coming to pass (Acts 2-3). It was the LAST DAYS… but that was 2,000 years ago! What happened?
Jesus doesn’t return in judgement… You know why? Paul… God changed things up on the world. Israel failed in its intended mission to be the channel of blessing from God to the world at the stoning of Stephen. God now, with the calling of Paul, instead of prophesied judgement and war offers grace and peace.
God is that good! Just when it was prophesied for Him to return and DESTROY this place; He reveals the mystery kept secret since the world began to Paul. I don’t know how much longer God will put up with this world. Judgement and war will come.
Rom 16:25-27… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, BUT NOW is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to ALL nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.”
That gospel Paul refers to as “my gospel” is found throughout his epistles but most clearly here:
1 Cor 15:1-4.. “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
Stephen was a Kingdom saint. A Jew in Gods coming Kingdom, new Jerusalem. He has no need of salvation by grace alone through faith alone. He was “saved” into Gods earthly Jewish Kingdom program by believing that Jesus was who He said He was.
People today are not saved by “believing in Jesus”. Jesus is the object of our faith. What saves us is the knowledge that we are sinners in need of a Savior and that Jesus died on the cross in our stead. That is the content of our faith. Jesus the object; what He did for us, the content.
Jesus was preaching the Kingdom gospel (gospel of the circumcision – Jews) LONG before the cross… (believe that I am the seed of David and the Son of God). He was teaching the 12 to do the same.
Mat 4:18-23… “And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. And they straightway left their nets, and followed him. And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them. And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him. And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.”
Indeed, Peter and the 11 had ZERO idea that Christ even had to die! Remember, the gospel of the Kingdom has been preached since Mat 4…
Mat 16:21-24… “From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”
Following Jesus in His earthly ministry to Israel led to the death of each in what must be most unpleasant ways. No one today “follows Jesus”.
The death, burial and resurrection for the complete and total forgiveness of sin for all men everywhere, without the mediator Israel, the mystery revealed to Paul, is found only after Acts chapter 9. And not in the new covenant Hebrew epistles where the works of the law return. Romans through Philemon is that part of the Bible God wrote specifically TO believers today. The rest simply for our learning that all lose ends can be tied together.
The Bible can be understood rather easily. We just have to know how to read it.
“Then you say Jews can be saved even if Steven wasn’t (according to you).”
After Paul the Kingdom was closed except for those left alive and broke as they sold all their worldly possessions expecting the great tribulation to begin. (It didn’t.) Any man or women of any nationality, race, religion, whatever, can come to the saving knowledge of Christ today and simply BE saved. God asks NOTHING in return; and people still howl and rage in protest…
Blows my mind.
He asks everyone to submit. That ain’t nothing.
To what?
We’re not going to buy your bullshit just like that, Gracie.
Test all things; hold fast what is good.
“We’re not going to buy your bullshit just like that, Gracie. Test all things; hold fast what is good.”
AMEN… I said as much already! As above:
Acts 17:11… “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
I post scripture to the very purpose that what I say can be tested!
“Have you not read that things will get much much worse before the end? Oh wait, you think Jesus was only speaking to the Jews of his time.”
Again, not so fast man. I have read that.
2 Tim 3:13… “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
peace, Mr. Coyote…
Grace, there is a Peter Coyote, him you could call Mr. Be aware that I have vexed Pastor Stucky with questions also, we are not in collusion. We’re just friends with a lot of things in common and many differences.
Vex on, sir.
“People today are not saved by “believing in Jesus”. Jesus is the object of our faith. What saves us is the knowledge that we are sinners in need of a Savior and that Jesus died on the cross in our stead. That is the content of our faith. Jesus the object; what He did for us, the content.” – GCP
You gloss over a most important part of the gospel, facilitated by your neat division of Christ and Paul, perhaps on purpose. Are you a Baptist? Your something else, that’s for sure. Your gospel is too easy, facile almost, so that you wonder why folks balk at your salvation.
I come from a place where people believe in speaking in tongues, where repentance is the beginning of being born again. Where the bible is taught without the delicate partition that you make of the book of Acts. You set aside Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and claim that Paul is the only gospel that covers Gentiles. That’s disturbing.
“That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.”
“And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I am acquainted with, but who are ye?”
When I awoke this morning and read this reply I knew for an absolute certainty you are picking up what I’m putting down El Coyote. This is why:
“Your gospel is too easy, facile almost, so that you wonder why folks balk at your salvation.”
Amazing is it not? That something as critical as salvation could be so utterly and remarkably simple, as just being presented with a gift and deciding whether or not to accept it! No strings attached.
2 Cor 11:3-4… “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
Yet that is exactly what it is. Someone has got to pay for your sin. It’s either gonna be you or God.
“You gloss over a most important part of the gospel, facilitated by your neat division of Christ and Paul, perhaps on purpose. Are you a Baptist?”
I was a Methodist (catholic lite) for most of my life. At age 47, as SPRC chairman of the UMC I was attending, a church split occurred and I took my family to a little Baptist church around the corner. The pastor there must have seen us coming a mile away, no Bible in hand. He preached a message on simple salvation and I got saved that day, my wife shortly thereafter, my two kids two years later.
In the Methodist church the gospel was some elusive etherial thing one had to strive to understand. In the Baptist church it was laid out simply; that Christ did it all. “It is finished.” Can’t begin to express in words the weight that was lifted off these shoulders. But no, I’m not a Baptist either.
“Your something else, that’s for sure. “
Very simply, I am a King James Bible believer. I almost hesitate to use the word “Christian” because it has 1,000 different meanings these days and most people who identify themselves with Christ couldn’t tell a soul how to be saved. That’s not Christian… If a label must be fixed you can call me a Rightly Dividing Mid-Acts Pauline Dispensationalist.
“I come from a place where people believe in speaking in tongues, where repentance is the beginning of being born again.”
As do so many others. Sounds a bit Pentecostal. Pentecost is a Jewish holy-day… Do you understand why those Jewish men were given the ability to speak in tongues? Because God had confused the language from one to many back in Genesis 11; and because the Kingdom gospel was to be preached in all the world, God provided them the ability to communicate effectively to all. The Holy Spirit spoke through them, that each heard words in their own language.
Acts 2:3-6… “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.”
Note: JEWS out of every nation, different nations, different languages.
Repentance is another subject because it means different things to different people. I’ll sum my stance up by asking; was Paul repentant when Christ appeared to him? Nope…
“Where the bible is taught without the delicate partition that you make of the book of Acts.”
You’ve just described 99.99% of churches on the planet. This right here, in a nutshell, is what’s wrong with the world on the most fundamental level. The clear simple gospel of salvation is not known or communicated in them.
“You set aside Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and claim that Paul is the only gospel that covers Gentiles. That’s disturbing.”
The gospel that saves men today can only be found in Paul’s epistles. It is disturbing because this OUGHT to be “Christianity 101” and today, it’s like trying to teach calculus to someone who can’t add and subtract. This is how far satan has been able to remove the simplicity that is in Christ from humanities “collective consciousness”. Your right, that’s disturbing.
But I don’t “cast aside” any book of the Bible. I believe every word to be true. I just know what is written to me as compared with what is written for my learning.
In the year 1535 Miles Coverdale wrote… “Again it shall greatly help thee to understand scripture, if thou mark, not only what is spoken or written, but of whom, and unto whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goeth before and what followeth after.”
For instance, compare one statement each by Paul (our apostle) and James (a Jewish apostle).
Rom 4:4-5… “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
James 2:24… “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”
If all the Bible is true, how can two contradictory verses function in the same book? There can’t not be a correct answer. And saying that the two men preached the same thing just doesn’t float… (I hear that a lot). The answer; who was James speaking to?
James 1:1… “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”
He was speaking to the 12 tribes of Jews who were scattered from Jerusalem by Paul who was actively trying to destroy the (Jewish) Jerusalem church.
Who is Paul speaking to?
Rom 11:13… “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”
He is speaking to the rest of the world and the rest of the world mostly ignores him or uses what he says to further confuse scripture. Satan began his attack on Paul’s gospel from the get-go. It is the last thing he wants a man to know because it is the ONE thing that sets a man free from his grip.
Prophesy and mystery cannot be combined together. They must be rightly divided, one from the other. If you examine the Bible chart on my website (the one Stucky makes fun of) the yellow section is “mystery” or “but now”; the present. Behind that is prophesy and past that is prophesy; 95% of the Bible. We live in the mystery dispensation of Gods free grace. Paul’s epistles are Gods instructions to man today; 5% of the Bible.
Be extremely careful of new “Bible” translations. What I speak of can only be found in the King James or Geneva as both are transliterations from the Textus Receptus. “New versions” intentionally obfuscate this information that it remains hidden. Compare Gal 2:7-9 in the KJB with any new version. You will see two gospel messages in the KJB and a single “blended” gospel message in all others. Subtle… very subtle. It’s the way satan works.
You quote:
2 Tim 1:12… “For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.”
Amen brother.
And…
“And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I am acquainted with, but who are ye?”
I’m GCP, a member of the church which is His body, a new (unprophesied – kept secret) creature, an ambassador of the Most High God. Not a vagabond exorcist Jew overtaken by evil spirits.
2 Cor 5:17-21… “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
God is not “mad” at anyone today. He offers a gift. Who will take it?
Why did God have to keep this “mystery” which He gave to Paul a secret in the first place?
1 Cor 2:7-8… “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
grace and peace to you and yours, El Coyote…
I don’t know how much longer God will put up with this world. Judgement and war will come.
Have you not read that things will get much much worse before the end? Oh wait, you think Jesus was only speaking to the Jews of his time.
Judgement and war will come….
A Cuntry Pastor’s Wet Dream…
Not at all. I don’t have to preach judgement and war as I have a far better message. Grace and peace is on the table, RiNS. It’s there for the taking.
Could you post a picture of Grace on the table, before I decide if I would like a piece?
Never posted a picture before. Hope this works…
nope…
Come on grace just cut and paste the url..
If you can’t figure it out ask yer Gawd…
He can help. So I’m told….
I tried to find it and post it gcp… I wanted to see your “first.”
How about this one?
The table is empty, like your head, Aggie.
I like it! Mine was just a picture of the cross.
Yeah I’d like to see it too…
Look what I found… wouldn’t this make a really interesting sandwich? Perhaps would fill one with the peace beyond understanding?
And, excuse me but is that piece of bread really sealed up or is this image a joke?
Would you ask Odin?
Bread shmead.. That toast thing is so Passé
In the year 1535 Miles Coverdale wrote… “Again it shall greatly help thee to understand scripture, if thou mark, not only what is spoken or written, but of whom, and unto whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goeth before and what followeth after.”
I would have ascribed that quote to Pastor Stuck if you hadn’t mentioned the source. He is a very learned man and I defer to him on bible matters, I don’t defer to anybody on matters of faith.
So Bible matters and faith are different like a strip show and a lap dance…
Don’t be an Agnes, you know how Stuck has covered Genesis in such astounding detail, calling into question the rivers of blood and the stacks of dead…It doesn’t affect my beliefs, you moran, heh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPeAk6rbUA
That’s a very nice thought, EC. Of course, ultimately I believe you should defer to yourself.
My favorite pastor once said to me that his job was basically that of “one beggar helping another beggar find the food of life”. He was such a humble man; never claimed to know all the truth or have every answer, never claimed that he actually spoke for God, constantly encouraged us to study, study, and study some more, and pray, — that we may find God’s truth for ourselves, rather than having it fed to us by theologians, pastors, priests, and other such “holy men” (for whom he had very little use for). If he had a church here in NJ (he’s in Florida now) I’d be still be going every Sunday without fail.
I try to be that way …. which is why I always say that I don’t give a rat’s ass if folks believe my views. I don’t speak for God. Each of us, if we believe, can “hear” from God via study, study, study, and prayer. If their conclusions differ from mine — then who the hell am I to say they are wrong, and I am right?? I’m not that arrogant.
I say all this to point out why I am so UTTERLY DISGUSTED with people like GCP. This is a man who goes to extraordinary lengths to prove he is right. For example, just consider his latest response to me … where I say that 3,000 people were baptized into Christianity in Acts 2. Welllllll … he responds with a 1,200 word post to prove my error! Bwahahahaha!!!! Of course, filled with moar bible verses, blah, blah … the man is just a walking Bible Parrot …. incapable, it seems, of speaking plainly (as you suggested he do). The man is Just Never Wrong. But, you (we) are.
Who the fuck can live with such an intolerant douchebag? So, I just generally vote his stuff down without even reading —- does he really think I’m interested in his 1,200 word crapola??? —- and then I move on to someone actually interesting. I keep hoping he just fucken disappears. Maybe I’ll fast for 40 days and 40 nights and see if that works. Hey, at least I’ll be thinner.
If you fast for that long, you may be tempted in the worst ways. Your not god, you know. Or you might be filled with the spirit and achieve enlightenment. Here’s a little push-back: It’s not a good idea to set your faith on that simple pastor or yourself. I like your description of his approach, it reminds me of the AA philosophy where alcoholics help themselves stay sober by helping others stay sober.
“Who the fuck can live with such an intolerant douchebag? ”
You should know. I don’t have a winking smiley, just this one;D.
I have lost an entire person over the past two years, Stucky. I have been told I look twenty years younger. Since I’m still coping with the wound issues, I won’t be doing any modelling for you anytime soon but I will say the new atmosphere of proselytizing here at TBP is refreshing.
Yes. Refreshing.
“I have been told I look twenty years younger.”
That means you look like a hot 80 year old, wowser. Looking forward to the selfies.
I wouldn’t mind looking like her at 80! I bet she’s a lot of fun to boot! Stop making fun of hot 80 year olds, EC. Someday you will find yourself chasing one around the hospital bed at the nursing home.
I hope the sexy mulatta doesn’t find out.
“Each of us, if we believe, can “hear” from God via study, study, study, and prayer.”
study, study, study… what? The Bible. Which is what I present for any interested person to view for themselves to, guess what… study.
Study this bitch!
good song…
Revelation 6:12
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood
meh Revelation is for Pussies and worst of all its boooooooring…
Hávamál
The Words of Odin the High One
Wisdom for Wanderers and Counsel to Guests
Verse 3
He hath need of fire, who now is come,
numbed with cold to the knee;
food and clothing the wanderer craves
who has fared o’er the rimy fell.
Verse 17
A fool will gape when he goes to a friend,
and mumble only, or mope;
but pass him the ale cup and all in a moment
the mind of that man is shown.
How’s this RiNS
Poetic Edda – Voluspa
“It sates itself on the life-blood
of fated men,
paints red the powers’ homes
with crimson gore.
Black become the sun’s beams
in the summers that follow,
weathers all treacherous.
Do you still seek to know? And what?”
I’m reading this book by Dr. Albers. It sounds crazy, but she lays out a good argument that the sun is going dark.
meh Revelation is for Pussies and worst of all its boooooooring… Mr. Excitement
A loud voice, floating wheels, the sky disappearing, an army of long-haired locusts, death and destruction, famine, pestilence, fire (atomic bombs) falling from the skies, yep, pretty boring. But wait, GCP says all that has been scrubbed in favor of kittens raining down from heaven.
That will at least make Yobo happy.
Oh come on now… I never said anything about kittens. Yet.
Don’t have kittens, Grace, Diogenes got the joke.
I’m probably going to be sorry I ventured in here. The good news is I have to leave and won’t be back till much later.
GCP said”I am a King James Bible believer”
That always scares me away, when someone is not open to anything else but KJV.
Do you believe that there are other gods?
RiNS likes Odin.
Odin is a very scary god and I would not make light of him.
That’s all I’m going to say about anything.
Please, carry on with this shitfest. You never know what post is going to turn into the thread that didn’t die. Or maybe, just maybe my comment is the thread stopper.
Peace out.
I hope this continues on as well. There are many good beginnings of discussions here and I hope that Mark and I (and Bilco if interested in contributing since also in the discussion) are able to put together a short piece on how-to pull 401K funds and what to expect tax-wise and other-wise.
We will not do so on Admin’s fine essay and we do indeed plan to support the site by sending dollars. We hope others do as well.
Hávamál
The Words of Odin the High One
from the Elder or Poetic Edda
(Sæmund’s Edda)
Odin’s Quest after the Runes
Verse 144
Better ask for too little than offer too much,
like the gift should be the boon;
better not to send than to overspend.
……..
Thus Odin graved ere the world began;
Then he rose from the deep, and came again.