Some clear thinking about Amazon’s ‘shocking’ tax incentives

Guest Post by Simon Black

Amazon made big headlines yesterday when it announced it was walking away from its plan to build a new headquarters in New York City.

The company was under intense pressure from the media and politicians who were angered that New York City’s local government was giving away too many tax incentives, purportedly worth around $1.5 billion.

(Including the state government, the total tax break was around $2.8 billion.)

People had some ridiculous idea that NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio was going to hand a check for $1.5 billion over to Jeff Bezos, already the richest man in the world.

That’s complete nonsense.

The biggest part of the package was a tax credit that would vary based on how much Amazon paid its employees; it was capped at $1.2 billion over ten years.

Let’s assume it’s the maximum level– that works out to be $120 million per year.

Now, in exchange for that incentive, how much tax would Amazon pay?

There’s been a lot of media attention about the fact that Amazon has hardly paid a dime in federal income tax over the past few years.

In both 2017 and 2018, Amazon’s federal tax bill was precisely $0.00.

But state and local tax laws are different than federal laws. And tax breaks that can reduce a company’s federal bill don’t always apply at the state and local levels.

In 2017, for example, Amazon paid $250 million in state and local tax in Washington, its home state.

New York tax rates are MUCH higher than they are in Washington. In fact, New York City has three different methods of calculating corporate tax, just to make sure that big companies pay up.

So even if Amazon’s New York tax bill were just HALF of what it paid in Washington, then New York City would have been recouping more than 100% of its tax incentive EVERY YEAR.

On top of that, the city would have reaped additional tax revenue from countless other sources.

For example, many of the new Amazon jobs would have gone to people relocating to the city.

Even if just 10% of the 25,000 workers (earning $150,000 per year) would have become residents of New York, the city would have earned another $12 million per year in individual income tax revenue.

Property tax revenue would have been another $20 million per year– JUST on the Amazon campus.

Then there’s the city’s nearly 6% hotel occupancy tax. According to company data, Amazon employees and guests accounted for 330,000 hotel room-nights in the Seattle area in 2017.

At roughly $300 per night for a decent New York City hotel, that would have been nearly $6 million in additional annual tax revenue.

None of this, of course, accounts for the gargantuan, indirect economic activity that would have been generated.

Just think about all the real estate agents who would have earned commissions on sales or rentals. Or the waiters and waitresses who would have earned tips at nearby restaurants. Or the countless small businesses that would have benefited.

25,000 Amazon employees would have brought billions in annual disposable income to the city, resulting in tens of millions of dollars in additional tax revenue.

The company itself estimated that they it generate an average $500 million per year in tax revenue for New York City.

Even if Amazon wildly overestimated, and the real benefit was less than half of that figure, New York City would have still earned more than a 100% return on its tax incentive investment.

(And that doesn’t even count the non-financial benefits from the primary school Amazon would have helped build, the tech incubator they were planning, parks and green spaces, or environmentally friendly construction.)

This is incredible. To put that in context, New York City’s pension funds earned an 8.7% return in Fiscal Year 2018. And they’re practically doing a victory lap for knocking out such stellar results.

Yet while they’re pumped beyond belief to earn 8.7%, they had a chance to earn literally 100% or more with Amazon.

And New York City wouldn’t have even had to put up much money; remember, the vast majority of the incentive plan was a tax CREDIT, i.e. Amazon would have merely paid less in tax each year to the local government.

So in terms of a ‘cash on cash’ return, it was nearly infinite. It’s hard to see this as a bad investment.

Yet somehow Socialism won the day.

Ignorant masses, idiotic reporters, and their devious political heroes banded together to thwart prosperity in an endless Shock and Awe campaign against Amazon until the company finally pulled the plug on New York.

What’s probably more revolting is that these people are actually excited. They think that chasing away a near infinite return on investment is a major victory.

This is the direction that the country is turning.

Your fellow comrades don’t make decisions anymore based on facts. There is no rational analysis. It’s all emotion.

They get fired up because a rich guy might benefit. It doesn’t matter that the Amazon deal would have been a much-needed economic boost. They don’t even bother to think. It’s just straight to Twitter.

The same people are quick to say that New York doesn’t need Amazon… the city is going to be just fine.

Wrong again.

As we’ve discussed before, New York City is in a bad place financially. The pension is underfunded by about $70 billion, and the city government runs a multi-billion dollar budget deficit.

Just a few weeks ago, in fact, city officials announced that tax revenues so far this fiscal year were $500 million below forecasts.

Well isn’t that ironic! New York’s $500 million budget hole is the exact estimate of what Amazon would have contributed each year to the city’s treasury.

Congratulations, comrades. Another victory in your war on prosperity.

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29 Comments
Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
February 17, 2019 4:58 pm

Question:

Do small businesses get these types of incentives or only the rich and powerful corporations? Pretty sure wa all know the answer to that.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Donkey Balls
February 17, 2019 8:42 pm

And that of course is the problem with so-called “tax credits.” Tax credit simply means that revenue doesn’t flow from them, but sure as hell flows from everyone else, and government’s NEVER cut their spending. Their presence in the area further impacts the availability and thus cost of other needed services that small businesses in the area cannot compete to purchase. There are all sorts of other trickle-down impacts that will NEVER be accounted for, but will surely fall on the backs of those in the immediate area. One truly never knows. One can cook the statistics to make anything look “good” for the right folks. When one preserves freedom and liberty for ALL, one doesn’t need to cook any statistics. Things either work or they don’t, but government isn’t handing out special favors.

diverdown
diverdown
February 17, 2019 4:59 pm

And that’s the major problem with most Libtards: They walk around with their heads completely occupied within the [Universe of Ideology] with no room for anything else. Unfortunately, there is no intersection, connection, or overlap with the [Universe of Consequences] which is where the rest of us live.

They are completely unable to connect the dots with regard to what results from their patently and obviously ridiculous ideas, and they keep on doing the same old same old until things start falling apart, and are utterly oblivious during all the intermediate steps leading to that collapse. And then they act surprised! like no one could have seen that coming.

Dems/Progs/Libs are not capable of 2nd or 3rd order thinking, which is why, despite having various university ‘degrees’, they really have less than an elementary school education.

There is a difference.

Additionally (and unfortunately for those of us normals in Red States) when things get sufficiently bad, they leave the mess that they have created and move elsewhere.

And, having learned NOTHING from their experience, they bring the same stupid-ass ideas with them, and then try to impose them on us.

I kinda wish that there was a statute that stripped anyone moving from a Blue State to a Red one of their voting rights for at least a decade or so.

That would, at least, give us a chance (however slight) to straighten them out before those voting rights were restored — and maybe avoid the completely foreseeable disaster their policies would bring.

Brian
Brian
February 17, 2019 5:36 pm

6 or 8 or 10% of something isn’t good enough! We want 100% of zero! Congratulations Boston U on your economics lessons!

gilberts
gilberts
February 17, 2019 6:36 pm

I don’t really care. I’m glad O’communist Cotex got her wish. And I really hate seeing big business get this tax-free treatment. I didn’t get tax breaks for moving to a new locale. Neither should they.
Also, anything that hurts NYC is good in my book.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
  gilberts
February 17, 2019 9:05 pm

Tax incentives should apply equally across the board . Why so few thumbs up for Gilbert’s? Screw Amazon and New York.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Overthecliff
February 18, 2019 10:53 am

Yes. Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution should ensure this … and because of Citizens United, laws should apply equally to Corporations and Citizens.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  gilberts
February 17, 2019 9:54 pm

Business should be exempt from income tax. How does it make sense to tax the creators of jobs? And it is a very modest collector of tax, at only around 10% oftotal fed tax take. Instead tax the distributions of profit at full marginal rates, instead of the current discounted rates. The savings on accounting fees alone would be in the billions. Plus it is an endless race to zero tax rate anyway, and will get there eventually as nations chase each other down in order to retain capital investments.

Fornigator
Fornigator
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 12:09 am

First eliminate all forms of double taxation.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Fornigator
February 18, 2019 5:08 am

Which includes corp tax in combo with dividend tax. That is why corp tax should go, amongst other reasons.

Ned
Ned
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 7:32 am

That is why corp tax should go…..

That is why pussy boy Bezos threw a tantrum and left NY. He couldn’t get his continued tax free status. He would have been required to pay like everyone else. Because he couldn’t get something for nothing makes him a socialist.

j ob
j ob
  Fornigator
February 19, 2019 8:21 am

You can start with government employees who get paid with tax dollars…. their salaries are then taxed again, used to pay government workers and taxed again, again, again, again.
Why doesn’t anyone see this?

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 1:01 am

I should also be exempt from income tax.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Donkey Balls
February 18, 2019 2:28 am

That would be D.B. Clinton, right?

Ned
Ned
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 7:13 am

Business should be exempt from income tax.

You just won the Darwin Awards! 🙂

Ned
Ned
February 17, 2019 7:54 pm

Yet somehow Socialism won the day.

I thought socialism was getting something for nothing. Who does the author think got something for nothing or something at all by running Amazon out of town?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Ned
February 17, 2019 8:59 pm

Are you seriously that dense? The socialists prefer to run out of town those that do not agree to transfer their wealth to them, rather than allow them to bring prosperity. If you will not transfer your wealth to them, they would prefer you, along with the people, be destroyed.

Ned
Ned
  Llpoh
February 17, 2019 9:34 pm

The socialists prefer to run out of town those that do not agree to transfer their wealth to them

The so-called socialists are supposed to be getting something for nothing i.e. wealth transferred to them if socialism were even involved in this. That’s what socialism is, getting something for nothing. What were the people of NY asking Amazon to transfer to them? Looks like you’re the one who is dense as you didn’t even answer the simple question of what is it they would have gotten for free or transferred.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Ned
February 18, 2019 5:11 am

Again, you are rock stupid. AOC and the socialists wanted their money via tax, and when that was not forthcoming they threw a tantrum. Buy a vowel, get a damn clue. The socialists want everything, and if they cannot have that, they prefer nothing. They are as stupid as you are. Well, almost.

Ned
Ned
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 7:11 am

Definition of socialism:
Getting something for nothing.

If the people of New York wanted Amazon to pay their fair share of taxes like the people that Amazon would have employed, then who was it that would have got something for nothing of of the deal? AMAZON!

So the real socialist was Amazon, not the good people of New York. It’s ‘corporate socialism’ when the corporations get a free pass and everyone else has to pay. It’s socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else.

Inverted socialism. Inverted truth, is the article in a lame attempt to change the facts into another capitalism vs. socialism article, when in fact it had nothing to do with socialism at all, as the author never did say what it was that they would be getting for free.

Your own words also prove this;

AOC and the socialists wanted their money via tax, and when that was not forthcoming they threw a tantrum

How is requiring that Amazon pay their fair share of taxes, the city of New York or the people of New York getting something for nothing? It is just the opposite of the truth. It is Amazon getting something for nothing. Again, inverted truth. Again, SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH, CAPITALISM FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Time to get billionaires off of welfare.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Ned
February 18, 2019 2:37 pm

Ned – are you AOC’s idiot brother? What the fuck is “fair share”? It is what you socialist welfare parasites spout off when you want more of other people’s money.

I again ask you, what actual money does business receve in welfare? How about you know some actual figures. You ignore that question time and again. Unless corps actually receieve money, they are not, you know, actually getting welfare. Not getting something is not welfare. Not paying taxes is not a taxpayer subsidy.

I have explained many times on this site why corporate taxes are a very bad idea. They kill jobs. They make corporations internationally uncompetetive and kill capital investment. They are doomed eventually because whenever one nation lowers their rate, others do so in ordr to keep attracting capital. It is double taxation to the owners. It costs unimaginable billions that can be saved by eliminating all of the assets currently used to report and minimize the cost of the tax. It gives incentives to state and local govt to undercut each other instead of allowing the free market to dictate freely where business will locate.

You on the other hand have no argument other than “they have to pay their fair share! Shreik!” Damn, you really are a lefty socialist envybaby. AOC would be so proud!

You also have never answered what is the fair share, not for the corps, and not for the “rich”. You make up shit about who pays tax, esp. given the facts are well known that the top 1% pay something like 40% of all personal fed tax, the top 10% around 80%, and the top twenty pays almost all of it. Yet you stick to your idiotic story that the corps, the rich, etc. are robbing tax from the middle class – who pay almost zero tax.

I crown you Village Idiot. I bet you had calluses all over your nose as a kid from sitting in the corner with a dunce cap on.

starfcker
starfcker
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 6:12 am

From what I understand, the deal-breaker was de Blasio insisting that Amazon hire a certain percentage of local ghetto shitskins. Amazon didn’t give a fuk about taxes, but having de Blasio start telling them how to run their business wasn’t going to work at all

Llpoh
Llpoh
February 17, 2019 8:56 pm

There were two princes, one of a rich European country, and one of an African nation, talking in the home of European prince. The European prince took his African guest to the highest point of his estate, where he could see the surrounding thriving city. The European prince pointed out the abundance, and pridefully said “10% of all this is mine!” The African prince invited the European prince to visit him in Africa.

In Africa, the African prince took the European prince to the highest point in his kingdom. They were overlooking vast slums. The African prince pointed out over the slums and decay and said pridefully “100% of this is mine!”

And that is the difference. Capitalism lifts all boats, while socialism and despotism brings ruin, decay, and destruction.

Fornigator
Fornigator
  Llpoh
February 18, 2019 12:11 am

Was the African named Hussein?

Ned
Ned
February 18, 2019 7:37 am

Amazon made a profit of $11,200,000,000 in 2018. How much are they going to pay in federal income taxes? Nothing! Rien! Nada!

Unsurprisingly, people have not been happy to discover that what they expected to be a decrease in taxes paid is actually an increase. Those who had been supporters of Trump are especially infuriated, as many were under the assumption that he would provide financial relief for middle-class families, something that he consistently promised during his Presidential campaign. Many have even taken their anger online, with #GOPTaxSCAMStories trending on Twitter as more and more members of the middle-class express their feelings of betrayal towards Trump and Republicans.

Dennis Jordan lamented:

“I am a Republican voter. I just did our taxes. The @GOP tax bill cost my family THOUSANDS of dollars this year on our return due to changes, thereby hitting us with the LARGEST tax increase of our lives. We are middle-class homeowners, and you raised our taxes. Infuriating!”

Similarly, Matt Davis regretted:

“@realDonaldTrump I trusted and voted for you, now, screwed by you. I fall JUST above a tax bracket, I don’t get the 5000 return I’ve gotten the last 3 years. Money my family depends on to start us over. I served my country honorably. I will not make the same mistake twice.” David Hoffman said: “Last year I got a tax refund. This year, with unchanged salary, I owe $1,300. I’m middle class. Yet the wealthy got huge cuts. #ThanksRepublicans.”

Joel Serbin declared:

“@POTUS thank you for screwing the middle class with your tax reform. I have never in my life, I’m 49 years old, had to pay into the IRS until this year. We have a combined income of 150,000. The middle class voted for you. I will not make the same mistake twice.”

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Ned
February 18, 2019 7:48 pm

ned,
regarding the people in your comment above who are angry at trump because their taxes went up under the new tax bill–
the reason those people’s taxes went up is because they are no longer allowed to deduct state/local taxes–
would you please tell me why the guy & his wife in the last example who make $$150,000 should be able to write off their state & local income taxes & ultra high property taxes while the $150,000 couple in fla. or texas or other low tax states have only a tiny amount to write off,how is that fair?
by allowing state/local taxes to be deducted,aren’t citizens in the low tax states effectively being forced to subsidize people in the high tax states?
i will concede that the republicans handled this badly,they should have let people know what was coming & told the reason for doing so,but it was still something that needed to be done–

Ned
Ned
February 18, 2019 7:44 am

Another socialist corporation. Socialism for corporations, while everyone else is held to a strict capitalist standard.

Google reaped millions in tax breaks as it secretly expanded its real estate footprint across the U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/google-reaped-millions-of-tax-breaks-as-it-secretly-expanded-its-real-estate-footprint-across-the-us/2019/02/15/7912e10e-3136-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html

old white guy
old white guy
February 18, 2019 8:43 am

Jobs are never required in a socialist society, everything is free and someone else always supplies the money. It matters not who does or does not pay the taxes, without taxes all government ceases to exist. Now, would that not be a good thing?

ivan
ivan
February 18, 2019 1:14 pm

it took deblowsohard to explain to the stoopid-rican-bartender-twat the $3 billion was money the city could not spend because it didn’t actually exist until AFTER amazon made the investment