Guest Post by Fred Reed
The appeal of conspiracy theories is strong. They seem to provide the believer a sense of esoteric understanding, of elevation above the limited grasp of moiling herd. They may make life less boring. Yet to many people, including me, they seem borderline delusional. How come?
The curious thing is that CTs–Conspiracy Theorists–seldom seem to be crackpots. I have friends who are CTs, have known others. They have been otherwise sane, not unsophisticated, and intelligent, sometimes very intelligent. Apparently to be twisted you have to start with enough string.
There are common threads. Believers in one theory usually believe in several. Choose from JFK, RFK, black helicopters, Nine Eleven, various plane crashes, FEMA camps manned and ready to hold thousands of political prisoners, and fluoridation of water to soften our brains.
Other commonalities exist, forming a sort of syndrome. Though often silly, the theories are intensely held, usually involve unfamiliarity with underlying material, vastly complicate simple explanations, and willfully overlook obvious inconsistencies and absurdities. This is puzzling in, again, intelligent men (I have met only on conspiracy theory sites.)
Further, the conspiracy theorist–here is the squarely part–seems to live in a world of DUMs– Disembodied Uniform Malignancies. These are a sort of metaphysical clouds that cause large of people to behave as if controlled by some unspecified central entity: The media, the military, governments, law enforcement. This is wacky, but universal among CTs.
Some examples:
Nine Eleven
This is the Conspiracy Theory par excellence. There are many variants. The mainstream holds that the Israelis destroyed the towers by controlled demolition to provide a pretext for the American attack on Iraq. (Then why does the “official story” blame it on the Saudis? It makes no sense. See?) The aircraft were presumably flown by Israeli suicide pilots. After the airliners hit, the buildings were blown up by explosives planted within. This was to make it appear that the aircraft dropped the buildings. (Then why wait an hour after the planes hit to blow up the buildings? But never mind.)
To weave the tissue of the theory, the CTs begin with their customary unfamiliarity with their subject, and with their strange lack of interest in research. Since they are not stupid, this is puzzling.
To persuade the thoughtful, they would need to show that controlled demolition was possible. They do not. They do not even try.
Controlled demolition is a technical and highly specialized field. It involves placing calculated amounts of explosive in calculated places with calculated timing. Equations govern how much of what explosive placed how will cut what kind of support. Yet in reading too much of this stuff, I have seen no indication that one CT in a hundred could tell PETN from a ham sandwich. The focus is on dark hidden forces, plots, cabals.
In a documentary I saw detailing the demolition of a building of perhaps twelve stories, much prepping was involved: knocking out of walls to get at supporting elements, sawing through beams to weaken them, planting explosives and stringing det cord everywhere on multiple floors.
There is obviously no way this could be done in a huge building, at least partly occupied twenty-four seven, with large maintenance crews working nights, without being spotted. The idea is silly. So the CTs either ignore the question or–protecting the theory by expanding it–say that the maintenance crews must have been in on it.
Note that very few people know anything about controlled demolition. The CIA doesn’t, nor Mossad, nor the military. A very few firms, such as CDI, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, do know. Where did the necessary large number of trained men come from? Did the Mossad go to a bar frequented by CDI guys and say, “Hey, Ralph, we’re about to blow up some buildings in New York, kill a few thousand people. Yeah, a real hoot. You want in? Don’t tell anybody I asked.” Of course anyone so approached would call the FBI. But we are not dealing with real questions of the real world, but with a Disembodied Malignant Field. Perhaps the necessary specialists materialized out of thin ether like subatomic particles, and then vanished back into the cosmic background.
Here we come to Complexity Expansion: CTs scrap the Official Story, replacing it with with one implicating the governments of Israel and the US, the media, the controlled-demolition industry, a large janitorial staff, and the law-enforcement agencies that (they day) have hidden the plot. If you asked the CTs why they do not favor a criminal investigation to apprehend the perpetrators, they would reply that everyone knows law enforcement is in on it. Again, expand the theory to protect it.
JFK
Never having paid much attention to the assassination of JFK, about which I know little, from curiosity I Googled “Grassy Knoll,” whence the alleged second sniper supposedly fired. “Hanh?” I thought on seeing a photo. “Am I missing something? This is nuts.”
The knoll is self-evidently the last place in Dallas to put a sniper. (The best was the book repository.) A small island, with virtually no cover, surrounded on all sides by trafficked city streets and overlooked by windows in several buildings. How sensible.
So: In broad daylight, lots of people around, the President coming through, and a guy carrying a rifle walks up the knoll. Nobody notices. Well, maybe it was deer season and lots of people with rifles were wandering around. Alternatively, a guy, with a rifle, climbs up the backside of the knoll, under the windows, with traffic passing by. Probably lots of men did that, with rifles, so it didn’t seem out of the ordinary. Or maybe he hid the night before on the grassy knoll, where there is nowhere to hide, and waited next day for the President.
Then, having shot JFK, he walks back down the knoll, with his rifle, unnoticed, or climbs back down the other side, with his rifle. Nothing conspicuous in that. It’s probably how the CIA usually does assassinations.
This–the not noticing of gross implausibility–characterizes CTs. Anyone familiar with rifles will note the great difficulty of hitting a moving eight-inch bull on a semi-crossing path while holding fire until Oswald shot. Many such inconsistencies exist.
TWA 800
An illustrative conspiracy theory is that of flight TWA 800 that blew up just after takeoff from New York in 1996 and crashed, killing all aboard. The “official story” was that a fuel leak caused the explosion. CTs insist that the US Navy accidentally shot it down during a live -fire exercise.
Which is absurd.
Now, I came up in journalism as a newspaper reporter. In my time, though no longer, newspapers esteemed factual accuracy. The paper might be biased politically, and always was, but the reporter had better get his facts right. The consequences of not doing so were finding another job, libel suits, and just plain embarrassment.
The enforcer of this regimen was the desk editor. He tended to be cynical, remorselessly unsympathetic, and unbullshittable. When you handed in your copy, he expected it to be sourced. There was a saying, “If your mother says she loves you, check it out.”
By the Desk Editor standard, most if not all conspiracy theories are nonsense. They are huge on passive voice, blind quotes, and lack of verification. It’s the spirit of the thing that counts.
In the case of TWA 800, you find assertions like, “Navy ships were known to be in the area.” Ah. Which ships? How known? Known by whom? Names? Phone numbers? Or “Witnesses saw a streak like a missile….” Which witnesses? Names? Phone numbers? Had they ever seen a missile fired? Or “Laboratory tests confirmed residues consistent with a missile strike….” No doubt, Jimmy Olson. What lab? Can I see the report?
Again, we find little knowledge of the bones of the story, and a lack of research. Anyone with the slightest familiarity with the military knows that the Navy does not do live-fire exercises, with no target, and no prior notification, at the end of massively trafficked urban runways. One might as well say that JFK was killed by a division of Marines engaged in live-fire infantry exercises in downtown Dallas, perhaps wearing CIA invisibility suits. Or maybe it was the staff of Mother Jones, which is as likely as the Navy.
For the record, during the decades when I was covering the military for the Washington Times and Universal Press Syndicate among others, live-fire missile tests went thusly: get an obsolete fighter from some boneyard, usually Davis-Monthan. Fit it with a remote-control pack. Send the firing ship and its escorts to a region with little civilian aviation. Give public notification well in advance. The skeet bird then flies over at the desired profile. Whoosh, boom. airliners.
Today old F-16s are used for targets as well as specifically designed unmanned target RPVs.
A radio-controlled Vietnam-era F-4 Phantom standardly used as live-fire target
Wikipedia: “The QF-4 is a remotely controlled target, which simulates enemy aircraft maneuvers. The aerial target can be flown by remote control or with a safety pilot to monitor its performance. The QF-4 is flown unmanned when missiles are fired at it, and only in specific over-water airspace authorized for unmanned flight. When flown unmanned, an explosive device is placed in the QF-4 to destroy the aircraft if it inadvertently becomes uncontrollable.”
Most of this is available on the web, but CTs don’t bother.
Another newspapering saying comes to mind. “A burro is an ass. A burrow is a hole in the ground. A reporter should know the difference.” Now why did I think of that?
Northrop-Grumman Firebee live-fire target. Specialized units, such as the 82nd Target Squadron, operate these for live fire.
In this conspiracy as in most we see the Disembodied Uniform Malignancy: If “Navy ships” had shot down the airliner, some five hundred men, and maybe more depending on the number of “Navy ships,” would have known it. Their response would have been, “JESUS, we just… God Almighty, that was a freaking….” etc. They would then have told everyone they knew about it. The captain would have been court-martialed.
But CTs see the Navy as one multicellular thing, like the fruiting body of a slime mold, one mind composed of many cells–i.e., sailors–who will keep perfect silence about mass murder.
Likewise the media, composed of thousands of reporters who would give one leg and a lung to break such a story, obediently and mysteriously cover it up. Uh…yeah.
And the enormous complication: From a simple explanation–a fuel leak and a spark, or a bomb–we have gone to a sprawling conspiracy involving many hundreds of men, the national press, the Navy brass up to the Pentagon, ships of unconfirmed existence engaged in wildly implausible missile firing, unavailable reports from unnamed labs. Whew!
For the non-CT, I once went to sea on a shakedown cruise aboard the Vincennes, a Tico-class AA cruiser with the SPY-1 phased-array radar, then hot stuff, and watched simulated firing from the CIC. There is no way to fire “accidentally,” as missiles are not armed and, if the skipper went Queeg-gaga and ordered firing at an airliner, no one would obey.
Oh well. I’m going to lunch.
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I guess the Saudi camel jockeys were just plain lucky in evading the entire United States air defense system, and that big ole jet airliner really did squeak through that little hole in the Pentagon.
And the magic bullet in Dallas really was magic. Nice to know…
Get your flu shot.
Well..ostrich head much? Either this will start a long thread or it will be ignored completely because it’s too much trouble.
I’ll take on Flight 800 just for a minute. He may as well have called Jack Cashill an idiot. I’m not going to spend any time on it because Cashill has done far too much research to be taken lightly and anyone who is interested can look into his research.
I have a close friend who is a retired flight attendant. TWA/American. She was working the day that happened and personally knows some of the crew members that died. Other pilots and crew confirmed in whispers what Cashill has been saying. They have their reasons for not coming forward, reasons I disagree with.
MC… I don’t think you and I (and a couple others, I imagine) are able to look at everything through the Fred Reed viewpoint lenses.
He doesn’t see what we see either. None of us do.
Today is the last day of the “super” Novena my friend continued after my initial attempt to be supportive. I’m really glad the prayer vigil is done. I didn’t want to tell her but her thanking me for the daily emails and texts encouraging her put a lot of pressure on me to continue.
That’ll learn me. I now have a lovely new rosary and a couple of books on how to pray the rosary like you really mean it (gifts). I put it the rosary on my jewelry box and set the books aside for maybe someday but probably never. She knew I wouldn’t read them. The rosary is lovely. Enough said.
Stucky? Still nothing about goats.
Q: Do you believe DD actually has this “thing” for goats?
Yes = Up vote
No = Down vote
goats don’t kick as hard as horses stucky,you might want to try them–
“That’ll learn me”
What, pray tell, did you learn?
Some people are just born to question everything. I think it’s in our DNA. My dad was like that.
Well, it didn’t really learn me nuthin’ because I just downvoted Stucky because I do NOT have a thing for goats no matter what he’s heard. It is just that there is a narrow window of time when a new mother goat will allow any others to touch or clean her udders. It may look like fondling but it is all for practical cause.
I do need a good milking stool.
I down voted him, just because I don’t like sanctimonious little pricks.
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- I don’t care who believes it, because the ones that created this motto and placed it on the national mammon DO believe it !
Now Ordie… I like you and all but most of us here admire Stucky’s sanctimonious little prick.
Me too, initially.
Sorry to disappoint you, but this is just me. Less than a year ago, I would have invited myself to remove his worthless little seed sack with the strength of my fingers, and feed im up a couple of mountaingoat oysters !
Now, with two stints and a quadruple bypass in the ‘widow maker’, I’m much more reserved ! (I can barely tote a half dozen bundles of shingles up and down a ladder before I’m near spent)
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-My daddy taught me to “just do the best you can, and don’t take shit from anybody that doesn’t think that’s good enough”….Dr. Stuckey the schmuck Freud doesn’t think I ‘measure up’
That was worth it! And Stucky thought I was obsessed with goats. At least I called the veterinarian out to band the sac! Ouch, Stucky…
” Less than a year ago, I would have invited myself to remove his worthless little seed sack with the strength of my fingers, and feed im up a couple of mountaingoat oysters !”
Ordie? A year ago I think there was an opening in the Bifrost and some of the dark magic came through.
Only you know if you “measure up.”
speaking of measuring up,did ya’ll hear about the billionaire who died on the operating table in france?
he did not think he measured up & was having male enhancement surgery & died on the operating table–
true story–
Is there a narrow window where you will let Nick touch your DD udders? That may explain alot.
Fred is apparently unaware that the same USS Vincennes did indeed shoot down an Iranian airliner by accident in 1988! There were many mitigating circumstances, as the crew had been engaged by Iranian gunboats etc that day. But to argue that it’s an impossible, ridiculous CT beggars belief.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/iran-flight-655-shot-uss-vincennes.html
Nice article. I can’t wait to see the Joo cabalists go insane with links to minimally sourced articles and a wink and a nod that of course its a mysterious cabal of elite Jews who manage to pull off amazing feats of mayhem and suck the lifeblood out of country after country (simultaneously) without leaving so much as a fingerprint and never ever being held to account…….if that were actually true we should immediately convert and join the winning team because there is no way we can beat these superhuman creatures!
Remember also……its often the case that Government is not too evil, its too stupid!
Actual conspiracies like the weaponization of the US intelligence services to destroy Donald Trump through a dirty dossier paid for by the Clinton Campaign are obvious, well sourced/documented and pretty banal in the end. Doesn’t mean it is an easy fix or that defeating the conspiracy is guaranteed but think about the level of support for the actions of the FBI/DOJ/Clinton Campaign/Obama Administration vs say a grassy knoll or even Waco (stupid government).
The analyses of 9/11 and JFK are so stunningly shallow and misinformed, I think Freddy-boy has a great future with the New York Times. Anyone who bothers to think can dismiss the official versions of these stories in a heartbeat; the central questions then become what did happen and who did it for what reasons. That leads to tons of speculation, most nonsensical, but some so compelling it screams the truth.
How about an informal poll of TBP readers? Three questions to follow; thumbs up for yes, thumbs down for no.
I used to have a fairly high opinion of Fred Reed, but not anymore.
Me too. This is a sell out.
Still the best IMO, is this 3-part documentary (made in 2013). I can’t imagine that anyone with an open mind could still believe the official version after watching this. All Americans–make that all humans–should set aside the time to watch this. The more open eyes we have the more likely we’ll take back power from the malevolent criminals running things behind the scenes.
I’ve seen them already….along with a number of others…including what Dr. Judy Wood (where’d the towers go)
Dr. Judy Wood earned a Ph.D. Degree from Virginia Tech and is a former professor of mechanical engineering. She has research expertise in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, deformation analysis, materials characterization and materials engineering science.
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- and Dr. Schmucky Freud can still kiss my ass !
Dr. Wood’s stuff is good. Now, you are just giving yourself a complex.
haha……you’re right.
I get stupid mad ! I’ve had a lifetime of bullpaddypancakes, always served up by the goobermint…..I chased a guy into the chief of police office once……stormed a fish feed for rooster fighters on the river once……took more than one river ass whoopin’, too…had to pull my little blue-eyed, blonde headed (3 feet long) Sac and Fox indian wife from a bonfire where she landed when she tore into a gal that called her the ‘B’ word… I could go on, but I am much more reserved now
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-reserved does not mean civilized, I guess !
seriously- you’re a kind heart- Thanks !
It’s where I stopped reading. The ‘official’ story, as Jesse Ventura likes to say, is there to protect the officials-who can argue with that? The state must prove it’s case. It’s not up to us to solve the case. As members of the jury of public opinion WE decide if the state has proved the case.
David Talbot is a very credible journalist (unlike Reed-who is an amateur). Here’s what he has to say on the subject:
Do you believe the official (government) account of 9/11?
Do you believe the alternate (9-11 Truth movement) account of 9/11?
(thumbs up for yes, thumbs down for no).
Stucky- I hit the upper for YES, it went to 2 up and also put in a downer, how did that happen?? Yurk, Yurk……..manipulation of the thumbsies. (NOT a conspiracy theory)
Several other speedreaders were there and voted while you were sounding out the big words.
Maybe so Double D, (eyebrow raised…teeth grinding) but it was simultaneous. Stucky will have more downers at the end of the day. (From where , we don’t know)
It was simultaneous because the page doesn’t refresh the current thumbs up/thumbs down count until you click thumbs up or thumbs down, or use your browser controls to refresh the page. I see that happen all the time.
I gotta know right now!
Stucky, your question isn’t specific enough to answer with a simple yes or no. There are many alternate theories for what happened on 9/11, including some that are completely insane (e.g., the planes were holograms). I don’t believe in any specific alternate theory because I don’t know exactly what did happen that day. The only thing I know for sure is that the official government/MSM explanation is so absurd that anyone with an IQ above room temperature should laugh at it. I also know that the only way we will ever figure out what happened is to have a real 9/11 investigation, as opposed to the sham 9/11 Commission which was conducted to obscure what actually happened, not find out the truth, much like the Warren Commission did for JFK.
Thanks Dave. But sometimes a upper will trigger 3 downers simultaneously, what up wit dat??
Good post above, agree with you completely.
Do you believe the official (government) account of the JFK assassination?
Do you believe the official (government) account of TWA 800?
Here ya go, Fred (I didn’t even read your bullschitt article);
Conspiracy- a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
Theory- a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
A nice little way for critical thinkers to be maligned-and on 911, Freddy just called a couple THOUSAND Architectures and Engineers ‘wack jobs’…….
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- Here’s one stuck right under your nose, Fred !
Silent Weapons for Quite Wars…….the only thing I could add is my thoughts on the veracity of your article:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,,,,,,cough, joke, cough, stop it, I can’t breath……HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA !!!
“Fred (I didn’t even read your bullschitt article)”
But, yet you feel you have standing to criticize the article?? And then even laugh at it??? Even though you didn’t read it????
With all due respect .. lemme aks yew …. what the fuck is wrong wif you??!!
Give Ordie a break… I kinda like his style. On this one? Perhaps he’s seen you big dogs diss Fred for his commentary from south of the border where he sips margaritas while bitching about us.
You can read it if you want, little man. I’ve been well aware of what some twit like fred reed has to say !
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- take a swing, Shrink !
Amen, Fred, Amen!
Look, I don’t toot my own horn here very often. But, we have a lot of newbies here since I wrote my article several years ago.
It’s one of my better researched articles, and I provide videos, sources and links. It elicited 315 comments from TBP readers.
The article is titled; “Demolition 101 For (Truther) Dummies”.
————here;
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Fred is exactly right. Not one believer in Demolition Theory actually refuted the argument made .. not by me, but by the world’s leading demolition experts. Demolition Theorists simply followed the The Way Of Conspiracy; which is to say, hold on to your beliefs no matter what the evidence says.
That was 315 comments in 2015 value. That’s like 600 today.
I’m not quite sure 600 comments in current comment markets would provide Stucky with enough titillation to get him as excited as 315 comments did just a few years ago. It is sad what inflation does to good commentary.
RE: 911 & Conspiracy Theories
OK, since Stucky posted his 2015 911 article, I’ll go ahead and place this one here as well (from two days before 911 2018):
Towers to Heaven: The Alchemy of Prophecy, Terror, and Unity
In the thread of that post, Hollywood Rob made a comment that I never forgot. He said:
Also, another interesting article (on the topic of 911 & conspiracy theories) was placed into the commentary of that thread as well:
It’s all about the movies. 911 was a movie. In the 2nd link it said
‘The film Pearl Harbor, made with Pentagon assistance and a massive budget, was released on May 25, 2001 and was a box office hit. It was in the theatres throughout the summer. The thought of the attack on Pearl Harbor (not a surprise to the U.S. government, but presented as such) was in the news all summer despite the fact that the 60th anniversary of that attack was not until December 7, 2001, a more likely release date. So why was it released so early?’
Hollywood Rob was right. Movies are make believe because they make us believe.
Building seven! Hello anybody home?
Office fires, Dan ! “Officially ” speaking !
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- Presto Magico- no more talk of the missing 2 Trillion dollars Rumsfeld mentioned on 9-10-01
Inconvenient fact for anyone with half the function of their brain.
I suspect that he feels exactly the opposite but that this is his way of steering the conversation that way.
“Further, the conspiracy theorist–here is the squarely part–seems to live in a world of DUMs– Disembodied Uniform Malignancies. These are a sort of metaphysical clouds that cause large of people to behave as if controlled by some unspecified central entity: The media, the military, governments, law enforcement. This is wacky, but universal among CTs.”
Yeah, that’s just a bunch of individuals just doing their thing all at the same time, wearing the same clothes.
Nothing controlled by a central entity there. No way, no how. That’d be wacky.
One word on JFK, McGruder film. Head shot blows out the back of his head, exactly opposite what would happen if shot fired from the repository building.
Flight 800, the cause the government concluded was a faulty fuel line wire. Right. There have been no repeated incidents and also no retrofitting on any other 747’s since the investigation was completed. You woulda thunk that a major retrofit would have taken place after such a disastrous tragedy.
Mr. Reed seems to pick what he wants to shoot down and then apply his logic to prove his point; its funny when the anti CT’s make the CT’s theories more plausible, due to Fred’s cherry picking of available evidence to prove his point.
Zapruder
Zapruder, McGruder… I went with spell check and lost! Thanks for the correction.
Surely, no prob. El Correcto influences me, when he’s not bustin’ my chops. I aspire to join the ranks of the vocabulary and reference accuracy / factual enforcement team. Walking the beat, twirling the baton, willing to wield it, whenever miscreants need to be shown the errors of their ways.
All in good fun, Pepe.
“One word on JFK, McGruder film. Head shot blows out the back of his head, exactly opposite what would happen if shot fired from the repository building.”
I know it seems that way … but, not necessarily so. Also, the view we get of that film is just not detailed enough to make this claim. I am nearly persuaded by the presentation of the book “Mortal Error.”
Even that leaves the question open, what was Oswald doing there and who helped him.
Sorry, facing front, car moving away from building and chunks flying from back of head, bullet came from front of car. The video proves my point and you would have to do a lot of ‘splaining to make that video fit your description.
Interesting you would shift back to Oswald after squirming away from the reality. Were you also on the Warren commission?
The kill shot was from the storm drain. That perfectly positions Kennedy’s skull blowout
I’m starting to think the ENTIRE story abour “poor” Venezuelans is Conspiracy Bullshit.
Not saying Venny doesn’t have poor people. Every nation has poor people. Even the richest nation on Earf, the USA!USA!USA!.
But, here is a pic of a pro Juan Guaido rally taken two days ago.
Look at these thousands of Guaido supporters, one by one by one …. you’ll see designer spectacled, well-coiffed, elegantly dressed, sleekly jowled masses. And a lot of FAT fuckers to boot!!
On the other hand ….
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2016/10/face-hunger-malnutrition-venezuela-161007055723064.html
Funny you should say that , I have commented that the people in the you tubes that are fleeing the hyperinflation starvation are many of them overweight . Leaving with nicer luggage than I own.
Admin just before pushing the Post button on this article.
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To Everyone:
About a year or so ago, after yet another shitfest about 9-11, I made a vow to myself not to get involved in 9-11 Truther stuff anymore. I mean, after 9,110 posts what’s left to say?
But Admin got me today!! Congrats!!!
But, I’ve made a few posts … and now I am done posting in this thread.
That means Ned and his new best friend and my frenemy (BL) can have the Last Word … or many many last words. I don’t give a fuck what they have to say, or how nasty they get. Why should I give a damn about a couple of Diseased Donkey Dick lickers?
c ya
Ned- Told ya!!! He gets mad and leaves in almost every 9/11 shitfest. Just like the sun comes up every morning.
Come on Stucky, Ned has gone easy on ya, hang in for the win(?) Put up something that will trump his posts……got anything?
BL your idiotness is showing.
Anon- Blow me.
Poor Fred!
None Dare Call it Conspiracy!
None Dare speak above a whisper in condemnation of it.
The conspiracy is so grand that most cannot wrap their heads around it!
Denial is a powerful cognitive force too powerful for many to overcome….or it is wielded by scoffers and mockers so they do not have to change their views, their bubbles provide comfort and familiarity.
Very sad….
https://theanatomicallycorrectbanana.com/home/2019/3/5/the-holocaust-as-presented-by-your-local-cbs-affiliate
Wait. Is this satire or not? I’m confused now.
That is a fine family name, Wiseword, isn’t it Galicant?
Nine Eleven changed me. Subsequent investigation bred contempt.
I rehash this, not for our choir here but for lurkers and the curious.
Watch at your own risk. Refute should you be able. I am listening.
And an Army General speaks questions unanswered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9-jLESHA8&t=43s&fbclid=IwAR2XlXK6nHSQlOUGgPSqhQmAcGEywqdcuzCFD5im2hyXYD-RpHJddfKvhic
LOL WTF, really?
Albert Stubblebine, a disturbed former INSCOM general who gave himself a black eye trying to walk through walls and tried convincing Special Operations Command officers staring at farm animals and remote viewing were viable intelligence methods.
The senile demented old man makes a great foil, but even better, he STILL manages to sucker everyone who knows exactly fuck-all about anything they never had a need to know, anyway.
…but WTF would I know, other than being a former INSCOM joe who never figured out how to manipulate the laws of physics.
And you refute his observations with name calling…. Where are the airliner parts? Where is a photo of da plane? Senile and demented perhaps yet the questions remain. I ask you if you believe the official narrative? Show me photos of the 4 aircraft engines. How about the size of the hole? Why were all the sensors turned off? Why did the sole shakey image of the impact morph?
Reflections from a goat’s eye blind you?
Yah, and the stewardess is a crackpot too? Please edify this muddy mess so we all may see. Show me something other than surly specious slander.
There were so many things that did not make sense. I was at my son’s second grade class, where several military brats attended as well. With former military know-it-all status in hand, I went snooping.
I expected to see a fleet of airplanes leaving the nearby base but if I remember correctly, more were brought inland to the base for safekeeping instead of going out to surveil and defend.
And then? The skies went silent for days.
It was eerie.
If one of you monkeys doesn’t elevate this new version of this song to full posting, I may have to go log on to that old WordPress account that crazy bitch opened longagofaraway and do it myself.
Not even the coyotes around want that.
I know I now trust the FBI…..
Funny, I always heard that TWA800 was hit by a missile, probably shoulder fired, and the investigation was definitely kneecapped to prevent such a finding…No one ever said the US military was involved.
Naval training exercise that went awry is the other story. Both seem perfectly legitimate options. A rocket was definitely seen rising up from the “ocean’s surface.”
Let’s keep this shit train chugging. Vote up if you think we went to the moon, down if not.
Vote up if you think the Earf is flat, down if spherical.
I heard it was obloid.
What a bunch of a-holes.
Everyone knows Earth is rhomboidal in shape.
Vote up if you think we have nuke bombs, down if not. Come on 22, hit that down button.
Fred makes some good observations.. Governments are staffed with some incredibly incompetent people.. So the complex conspiracy theories kind of fall flat.. TWA 800 ws indeed shot down by 2 Russian made SAM 3 GOA missiles fired off a small yacht or ship off the coast of Long Island . It was a Terror attack not a horrible mistake by the Navy. The Terror attack was indeed covered up as it would have negatively impacted Bill Clintons reelection in Nov of 1996. The coverup was a conspiracy…though.
Can you imagine what would happen if Putin could prove that?
You are missing the #fakenarrative.
CT are trying to figure out that which is hidden.
Brainstorming.
Once you follow the narrative, you will never understand the truth.
Fred has obviously been an attendee of Pedo-Island and is now being forced to spout bullshit…or the docs are released!
I made the mistake of watching this late last night…if true makes 911 look like a non event:
DANE WIGINTON – GEOENGINEERING IS AN ASSULT AGAINST LIFE ITSELF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n8d_CJX0p8
Mark- Geoengeneering is just part of the assault against humanity, the all out war against population went live in 2000 and is to be complete by 2040. The closer we get to 2040 the uglier and more brutal the assault.
9/11 was mostly occult black majick, to kick off a major war and the police state needed to use during the culling, it will never be a non-event. Many actors should be swinging from ropes Mark.
BL,
I’m with you 100% – I have been all over his website since I found it quite a while back. It is just frustrating how many Americans either dismiss it or don’t want to hear it let alone do their own investigation. Shoot, its all there on his site.
All the DEW videos I posted are just another weapon against U.S. that most dismiss.
This interview was his strongest to date with his most urgent warning I have heard him come out with.
I had two tic tack toe grids over my farm twice in the last six weeks and it sickens me.
I’ll be sending it to my inner circle to try and wake some up…I have been doing that for a long time. It has opened some eyes, but others are lost in the matrix.
I do what you can no matter what anyone thinks or says here or with my family and friends.
Check this out:
Aluminum Toxicity: 4 Ways to Detox Your Brain & Body
By Dr. Veronique Desaulniers
Thank you Mark. I guess AOC has been briefed on this hence her alarming song and dance routine. How does it feel to share her bed?
“My eyes are dim I cannot see
I have not brought my specs with me
There are snakes, snakes, snakes
Big as garden rakes
At the store! At the store!
There are mice, mice, mice
Running through the rice
At the Quartermaster’s store”
And no shortage of aluminum sprinkled with barium, thorium and enough cover up to kill us all.
Your viddy attempts to open our eyes. My eyes have seen the coming of the terrible swift sword to trample out the vintage of grapes of wrath.
Powerful predictions in the viddy. The light in the tunnel is the train coming full speed ahead and soon we all will be dead?
Maybe Mark will let camp out in the only cool spot in the world for the duration?
Mr. Reed is what I like to call a “coincidence theorist”, or in other words, an idiot. He would have us believe that three of the most well-built structures in the world just collapsed straight down into their own footprint from random fire damage. Right. Never mind that it never happened before or since, but three times in one day is perfectly reasonable to Mr. Reed’s skeptical mind. Can you believe all of those suckers that paid millions of dollars to bring down hotels in Las Vegas by hiring “experts” to do “controlled demolition” when all they had to do was start a random fire and stand back and wait for them to fall straight down? Hey, worked for the WTC. They should sue for fraud and call Fred Reed as their expert witness.
Gee, I wonder how Fred would describe what caused Building 7 to come down? I mean, You’ve got all those Thousands of Architects, Engineers, and Doctors of Physics being the largest collective of Tin Foil Hat wearing Conspiracy theorist nut cases, please give us simple minded sheep the Answer all knowing Fred!
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Fred needs to write about what he knows, he obviously hasn’t taken the time to delve into any of the “conspiracies”, just casually glanced here and there and then spouts off some drivel.
I don’t have the time or effort to explain to him how there were whole floors at the twin towers closed for remodeling nor the countless “coincidences” that coincided on that fatefull day in September.
Fred probably thinks he is doing the victims and their families a service by spouting off his ignorance when in reality he is being an apologist foe the true criminals and slapping the victims and all the other victims of the countless war a of aggression since then in the face!
Fred should retire already.