With many 2nd Amendment defenders rightly up in arms (no pun intended) over President Trump’s previous comments on ‘red flag’ laws:
Is Donald J. Trump anti-gun rights? Some might say “yes,” because the president has joined with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to support “red-flag” laws that allow government agents to take guns temporarily from those deemed too dangerous or unfit to possess a weapon. Such laws may be a major threat to the Second Amendment unless great care is taken to ensure due process is observed strictly and fully.
“Graham, in a statement, said he has reached a deal with Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) on a bill that would start a federal grant program to help and encourage states to create ‘”red flag” protection order’ laws, which are meant to make it easier for law enforcement to identify mentally ill people who should be banned from purchasing guns.”
Trump announced his support for the red-flag laws from the White House on Aug. 5, stating that “those judged to pose a great risk to public safety (should) not have access to firearms and that if they do, those firearms can be taken through rapid due process.”
But, the President’s latest tweets on the subject of gun control could, perhaps, be seen as backing away from that, tweeting that:
” Serious discussions are taking place between House and Senate leadership on meaningful Background Checks. “
Quick to explain that he is fully behind the right to bear arms:
“I am the biggest Second Amendment person there is, but we all must work together for the good and safety of our Country “
Adding that he has been consulting both sides:
“I have also been speaking to the NRA, and others, so that their very strong views can be fully represented and respected.”
But his bottom line is simple:
” Guns should not be placed in the hands of mentally ill or deranged people. “
“Common sense things can be done that are good for everyone! “
Serious discussions are taking place between House and Senate leadership on meaningful Background Checks. I have also been speaking to the NRA, and others, so that their very strong views can be fully represented and respected. Guns should not be placed in the hands of…..
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 9, 2019
The worry that many gun owners have is also simple – what the left anti-gun group sees as “common sense” is very different from rational “common sense” in the real world.
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My Father used to say “Common Sense aint so common anymore.”
Cocaine “The Turtle” Mitch …says Assault Weapons Ban is on the table…..Fuck you Mitch…… Go buy them now boys and girls……Only way Dems can win in 2020 is for Trump and team to capitulate to the emotional appeal of the leftist/statists.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/08/mitch-mcconnell-assault-weapons-ban-front-and-center-in-senate/
The headline is misleading. He’s indicating that it will be brought up, not that he is supporting it. This thing is already back burnered and will twist in the wind and maybe we get to include juvenile criminal records which is a good idea. Beyond that nothing. In a short attention span news cycle this thing disappears unless there is another big event.
I can imagine fuqueing Antifa pulling some violent shit and all of us being blamed for it again. I see we are still blamed for the socialist porngrind Antifa supporting Devil worshipper in Dayton so just tell any gun grabber to pound sand. The wisecrack about how many rapes have to occur before you cut off your Johnson is pretty effective to use against these clowns too.
To quote McCain, that will never see the light of day. It’s all talk and no action meant to pacify the peeps. He tied it to immigration reform, another heaping helping of hot air.
Fuck that lying piece of shit
Looks like you didn’t vote hard enough K Vizzle.
Although “red flag” laws might be helpful in some instances with today’s administration, when the democRATs get in power, what’s to stop them from using these laws to punish their political opponents?
Witness the abuses that the IRS used against political opponents of the democRATS in the 0’bama administration.
Anarch,have no idea why your post got negs,usually do note vote but did in this case,seems the enemy has gotten through the gates!
I see a similarity with these ideas with the former Soviet Union in regards to using mental health to silence critics,getting more interesting daily.
Red Flag laws violate what’s left of our Constitution so much that it would take at least two full pages to list them and elaborate. Also, this bullshit will be abused no matter who is in office. Let a fucking psychologist determine who can have a gun? You gotta be shittin’ me!
Oh god, Red Flag Laws are obvously unconstitutional “prior restraint” meaning.. the Government thinks you might be dangerous so your rights are voided….Not how it works. The Dems/leftists will of course abuse this power…..that’s what they do.
It does not matter what the law says, when the demonRATS get back in power, there will be a purge. their anger has boiled over and you can hear them tell you what they plan to do to our freedoms.
Anarchyst.
Also the Clinton admin used the IRS and EPA to terrorize their critics.
Or the abuses of Nixon during his administration. Indeed, once the government has the power, it WILL BE USED AGAINST US.
Here’s some REAL common sense gun control:
https://www.infowars.com/gun-sales-surge-after-mass-shootings-trump-gun-control-promise/
CC,I don’t know.Those firearms seem all alone and unloved,they could “Go off!” at any time and see little controlling them.
Do your part America,adopt a firearm today and lets let them know they are loved and cared for!
“Best damn gun salesman there ever was”
Obama……… TRUMP!I can’t believe you’re still butthurt over Hillary losing.
Gats.
Still can’t believe you still think it matters who one. When are you going to say something intelligent instead of just cheap Alinsky insults.
Shit, I think gun prices have turned the corner folks.
If name brand factory AR15s shoot up to $1,000 and beyond, I’m wondering what a loaf of bread and an ounce of gold will cost.
It looks like the generics are going up after bottoming out around $290.
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That guy buys out overruns and close outs. He may have the worst rating I have ever seen on GB.
Yes, there are better auction houses, but I did get a good case of ammo from them cheap!
Who gets to decide who is “Mentally Ill” or “Deranged”?
The girls on The View? Their Therapists? Chelsea Handler? Michael Moore? AOC? The designers of the FBI’s Pre-Crime software programs?
Anyone to the right of The Far Left will be suspect.
There will be one exception to the dragnet:
All of the spies, informants, and government moles installed on the Right will be allowed to remain in place to act as spies and destroy the Right from within.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
https://rense.com/general32/americ.htm
Flea: perfect question. Who indeed gets to decide who is mentally ill? Red Flag laws are a great way to seize guns one gun owner at a time and the gun owner has no recourse against the confiscation. Anyone with a grudge can go after the person they don’t like by claiming they’re a danger. Maryland has already had people killed because of this and it will only get worse.
Next on the agenda will be ammo.
MG M.
It isn’t a stretch to envision CPS being brought into it, just to name one. Someone says I’m deranged and CPS takes my kids into temporary custody pending a “Professional” evaluation. I agree to undergo sensitivity training and take my Zoloft while surrendering my guns because Iv’e realized I have become a danger to the public. Meanwhile my kids have been sodomized and brainwashed and also put on Ritlin.
They already seize property on suspicion of drug dealing and yuo have to go to court to get it back.
Anyone expecting Republican congressmen to grow a pair and defend something they don’t even believe in is indeed deranged.
Who gets to decide? (Rhetorical question?) The ADL and SPLC, of course.
TC..
Yup..
With Trump’s anti-gun position, Trump will surpass Obama for the “Greatest Gun Salesman” award.
I’m wondering if prices will be going up.
They may have bottomed out over the last two weeks.
There you have it. He’s one of “them”.
Cognitive dissonance (a mental disorder) will rule the day with the forever Trumpers.
Perhaps they should have their guns taken for having such a mental disorder since they STILL support their ruler. Isn’t that what red flag laws are all about, mental disorders?
This is precisely the methods used by the Soviet Union when critics of the government were deemed mentally ill and forced into “treatment” where they remained or where “re-educated/medicated” into conformity.
But abuse of psychiatry and the mental health/law enforcement meld is by no means unique to the Soviet Union. The mechanisms are already in place in the United States and have been for some time. Indeed, every day in the United States countless people are forcibly hospitalized having committed no crime whatsoever.
In her article, “The Crime Of Thinking Different,” Wendy McElroy wrote in September 2014,
There are more fucking lawyers in California and Massachusetts than you can shake a stick at.
The criminal justice system has pretty much given up on enforcement of most street crime (already massively under-reported)….. except for two thing: 1. Fentanyl cases (not because it’s deadly, but because of the money) and 2. Domestic violence (which imprisons and impoverishes white men worse than any legal fiction I can think of).
Once ERPO laws go nationwide… or worse… Federal… the lawyers and civil forfeiture laws will go berserk and you’ll have real gun battles on your hands with confiscation.
That would suit the world Jewry just fine.
Not all Jews are gun grabbing bankers however! http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm
In short, they would be thrilled to install Commander in Chief Kamala Harris (part Jew) or Chancellor Elizabeth Warren to move forward with the agenda. Especially given the 100th anniversary of the 19th Amendment, I don’t see how they don’t install a Vagina in the Oral Office.
Just a theory but maybe the reason POTUS is doing this is to watch the Dem’s defeat “common sense gun control” legislation (they won’t pass it) so that the public can see that what they really want is a full repeal of the 2nd ammendment.
Everything Trump does reveals how completely derranged the left is becoming.
Anyways – bottom line is it won’t pass.
So relax.
Yes Trump is skilled at getting the lefty loons to reveal themselves but he is a boy from Queens who has probably never touched a firearm in his whole life…..though he did go to military prep school so who knows, but I doubt he has the DNA level understanding that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, personal protection but in checking tyranny of the government.
His boys are big time hunters and 2nd supporters. I suspect they are chips off the block. We’ll see I guess.
He has a NY concealed carry license.
Marty. He has carried since he was a kid going with his father on evictions. Back in the day people from Queens weren’t pussies.
I hope you are right FM, but I am old enough to remember those same platitudes being used before the 68 GCA and later, before the AWB. Don’t be complacent, and treat liberty like the crown jewels….suspect anyone that goes near it.
What ? they can’t smuggle guns over the border with Mexico ? like military grade weapons ? Feel good legislation for the sheeple, and only the fools will obey.
Deranged people shouldn’t have guns, so take them away from ALL police, ALL military personnel, ALL government employees, and ALL liberals/progressives. Problem solved.
With so many crazy and angry people out there nobody will be able to own guns. The plan? I guess this won’t be abused by people who don’t like someone. Reminds me of when the offered people in Afghanistan money to turn in the Taliban in their area. Many got rich ratting out their neighbors they didn’t like.
And many of those folks continue to languish in Gitmo without any charges ever filed.
Red flag laws in the US will be the equivalent of China’s social credit scoring system. It will be a social credit scoring system to determine if you are politically correct enough to own a firearm. And if you don’t tow the political ideology line that is acceptable by the state, then you are mentally ill.
Red flag laws will be a massive boon to the lawyers in the country. I would not put it past them to start reporting people, just to drive up business.
We saw with General Flynn what happens with government lawyers go after an individual. They have limitless resources and you will have to pay your own way. You will have 3 options:
1. Give up your firearms
2. Go bankrupt fighting the government
3. Hide your firearms and become a criminal
The Only Effective Barrier to Gun Confiscation is…
https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/08/-the-only-real-barrier.html
Exactly right, but unfortunately most people do not have that resolve which is why the guns will eventually be taken. The gun-grabbers will never give up, and eventually they will wear down the gun owners.
If you disagree with “Gender Dysphoria” you are deranged. Therefore you must surrender your weapons.
You can’t make this stuff up.
There is an article on ZH right now about 6th graders being suspended for disagreeing with someone who claimed a boy with Gender Dysphoria is a girl.
So now who is going to decide who can own guns?
Red flag laws, aka, the shit towel heads pulled on their neighbors to disarm them to take their shit without a fight courtesy of the US military in A-stan and Iraq.
Due process cunts. Fucking CONgress needs to save all its quarters and buy some fucking sense.
Lock and load.
Well,hope this insanity does not happen but if it does,make sure the docs who sign off on this nonsense are known/doxxed ect.,really no reason to hide if they TRULY believe for public safety right?
Translation: No guns for any Democrats!!
I can live with that.
That’s why I like you Stucky. You’re a glass half full kinda guy. Don’t ever change.
Red flag eliminates the 2A. Take the firearms without due process eliminates the concept of a right. Eliminate the concept, eliminate all that follows.
My sister in law hates me because I called her out in the family for stealing from her mentally declining mother. Red flag warning to the state from her on me? Well, duh.
Allow this and say good bye to the right of self defense. Given by God, taken by man, this must not stand.
What would you say about a case study such as this legal U.S. citizen?
Has owned a locally registered pistol for 20+ years. Never fired, except at ranges practicing.
Has owned a pump shotgun for 15 years for infrequent bird, rabbit hunting. Only been fired in the field.
Has held a CPL for 7-8 years, with no incidents of ever brandishing or firing in public situations.
Has possession / access to an SKS, that has only been shot once, on an outdoor range in 5 years.
Has a bolt action WWII era infantry rifle that’s only ever been fired at an outdoor range.
Has a semi-auto .22 caliber rifle that’s only ever been fired at an outdoor range.
Primary reasons for owing guns: Pistol for self defense in home and out in public.
Shotgun for home self defense. Also: for hunting, skeet shooting practice and skills competition.
All other firearms: for variety and fun with shooting skills and target practice.
Proficient in firearms safety, operation, and maintenance. Hunter safety course graduate.
Owns a home free and clear, has been working and paying taxes for close to 50 years.
Never been arrested. A++ credit rating with a spotless credit payment history.
Only citations have been for speeding; mostly when young; just twice in the last 10 years.
And now, drumroll…
15 years ago was going through a bout of severe depression, and sought treatment for it.
Emerged from it successfully after a year of discussion therapy with a psychiatrist, and after 6-8 months on an anti-depressant. It helped cure the depression. (Medical record almost certainly reflects that.)
In general, despises any unnecessary meds. Non-drug user. Moderate alcohol drinker.
Had a mild relapse about 2 years later, went back briefly on the same anti-depressant.
Stopped in 1 month, during 2nd usage. Hasn’t been on it since.
For the last 10-12 years, has been off anti-depressant and is leading a productive life as a tax paying,
law abiding citizen. Holds down a regular 40 hr/week job. Does not play video games.
No anger issues; save for the universal frustrations of living in America.
Is well liked by a wide circle of friends and family. Could round up at least 60-75+ people as personal references that this person is of sound mind and body, and is not a threat to anyone. Has no kids, but is recognized as having a trustworthy, loving, wonderful personality when in their company.
Been faithful to life companion for 26 years with never an incident of domestic violence.
Athletic and practicing reasonably healthy eating habits. No major illnesses. Not a military veteran.
Political leanings: Freedom loving traditionalist; concerned about socialist / progressive trends.
Make the call on this case study. Should this person be allowed to keep their guns and ammunition?
State why, whether yay or nay.
Based on potential red flag legislation and the government’s definition of mental health history and
potential risk to society?
We know what the Democrats and anti-gun crowd would say.
But what would you say?
Anon,of course they can own a firearm,a birth right reaffirmed by the 2nd,said person is not in a mental institution ect.,end of story,of course,feel ALL not in a institution whether mental or jail has RIGHT to self defense,the 2nd agrees with me but even if it didn’t still a birth right.
A lot of cops/emergency personal ect. will also in theory lose their rights as they are hard hit and need a shoulder now and then,guess this law will backfire and have folks hide their problems,that should work out well!
I would admit to being a little twisted and paranoid(with reason) as are most of the folks I know and many if not all here.
That said,I have no fears of me or those I know or folks I post with on different sites shooting up a wally world ect. unless say actually full of zombies(brain dead /phone addicted shoppers don’t count!) out of a George Romero movie or being looted by a foreign army i.e. Red Dawn ect. loading up on Gatorade and useless products.
With the literally 100’s of millions of firearms owned in this country if even say 1-2% of owners went off you would know it in a big way,would already seem like a nation wide war zone,which,excepting a few gun free cities is not,and,even them nothing compared to a real war zone,would like to see it stay that way in the US,wonder if puppet masters will allow that.
Best to plan that they will not allow it and prepare,and,if wrong will be glad to be wrong in a huge way.
Folks,we need some laughs,watch this,very funny: