The Dangers of Saaaaaaaaaaaafety

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Safety is getting pretty dangerous.

In particular, the driver “assists” (as they’re styled) being added as part of the standard equipment suite in almost all new cars. These are really driver-pre-emption technologies which countersteer – and apply the brakes – when the computer decides that these interventions are necessary.

Leaving aside the nannying issue, there is a safety issue with all this “assistance” – which is sometimes provided when it’s not wanted much less needed.

I’ve experience this myself, test-driving new cars. I was driving one of these – a new Prius, equipped with Automated Emergency Braking – when it applied the brakes – full force – for no apparent reason. I almost had dashboard for lunch. There was no deer in the road. The car ahead of me had not braked – let alone stopped. But the Prius did. Completely. In the middle of a road that was – thankfully – not busy at the time.

Had it been busy, I might have been ended – as slamming on the brakes and stopping in the middle of the road can be unhealthy if there’s a semi behind you.

Humans watching the road anticipate the need to slow/stop. They cover the brake; are ready to brake.

These automated systems apply full stop electronically, without warning – and sometimes, without reason.

Boom – crash.

These systems can’t be overridden by the driver once automatically activated. The computer also cuts the throttle as it applies the brakes, so frantic slamming of the accelerator pedal to the floor will do absolutely nothing until the computer decides that “assistance” is no longer needed.

You’ve lost control over “your” car – put in air quotes to emphasize the absurdity. Like “your” house that’s paid off but which you’re still obliged to pay taxes on, forever, in order to be allowed to continue living there.

Control is the functional definition of ownership. That which you don’t control, you don’t really own – no matter the paperwork.

And it’s not just me that’s experienced this.

843 people have lodged formal complaints with the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) about their vehicles braking suddenly for no apparent reason. There have been at least 14 crashes and several reported injuries. More than half a million Nissan vehicles are the focus of the just-opened investigation into the matter – but it’s potentially millions of vehicles.

And not just Nissans.

NHTSA is looking into Nissan Rogues made between 2017 and 2018. But as I experienced – and not just the once – other makes and models of cars also automatically brake when there’s no reason for them to do so.

And countersteer.

This is styled Lane Keep Assist (or Steering Assist) and like Automated Emergency Braking (also styled Collision Avoidance) it is becoming very hard not to find in any new car, regardless of make or model.

You feel the wheel pull – even jerk – the car to the left or the right, depending on the whim of the computer that controls electric motors attached to the steering system, which apply steering force in the direction you don’t want to go.

It is very unsettling. Literally.

The most common scenario is for the “assist” to countersteer during an evasive maneuver – such as passing a slow-moving vehicle that turned into your path. Or to avoid a pothole in your path. If you didn’t signal prior to the maneuver, the computer registers the maneuver as “lane departure” that requires its “assistance.”

This is more than just peremptory. It is dangerous. The driver may not expect the unwanted “assistance” and jerk the wheel in the opposite direction – overcorrecting the car off the road – or into the path of oncoming traffic.

Even if control is maintained, the car has been unsettled – and as any professionally trained driver knows, smoothness is safety.

As opposed to saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety.

These “assists” are the antithesis of smooth – and thus, safe – driving.

And the technology behind it all is general – something not reported in coverage of the burgeoning Nissan debacle.

It is probable that many of the components used in the abruptly braking Rogues under investigation are sourced from a single common supplier. Like Takata – the supplier of killer air bags – which supplied them not just to Honda but to numerous other car manufacturers as well.

Millions of cars were (and still are) “affected” – in the argot of NHTSA, which was responsible for mandating them in the first place.

And here we go again.

What many people outside the car business don’t know is that many of the components that go into a car are not made by the company whose badge is on the fender. They are sourced from a supplier who may sell the same item – with perhaps a different stamping – to several other car companies.

Who makes the sensors that “sense” the need for the brakes to be applied? How about the other bits and pieces?

But the problem may be worse than that. It may prove to be the case that the systems are working as designed.

I can vouch for the sudden/unwanted and unnecessary application of braking force in several different makes and models of cars whose “assist” programming fretted roadside berms – especially in the curves – which the programming regards as an object in the car’s path.

The driver – having consciousness and cognition and the capacity to know rather than mindlessly react – is aware that it’s just a berm – and that he isn’t driving headlong into it. And therefore no ned to slam on the brakes and cut the throttle.

But the system disagrees – and brakes. 

This also happens when the system decides your right-left passing maneuver to get around a slow-poke was “too close”  . . . and applies the brakes (and cuts the throttle) while in the midst of your maneuver.

Making what had been a safe maneuver a suddenly very unsafe one. Like the steering wheel jerk – er, “assistance” – which is applied when you made a lane change without turning on your signal first.

It makes one’s teeth ache.

There are several common denominators here – including the insufferable effrontery of the we-know-best crowd that is force-feeding this technology to us, just as they force-fed killer air bags to us.

Also the irony of justifying it all on the basis of saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety – despite objective evidence and common sense to the contrary.

One thing’s for sure – as people find out about these “features” – and how unavoidable they’re becoming in new cars – it is likely more and more people are going to say No Thanks to new cars.

Me among them.

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28 Comments
Anonymous
Anonymous
October 8, 2019 1:10 pm

I’ll take my 1092 Honda Accord EX over a 2019 any day 🙂

Dutch
Dutch
  Anonymous
October 8, 2019 1:54 pm

Is that a chariot? 1092?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Anonymous
October 8, 2019 4:51 pm

One or 2 horses with that old Honda?

Donkey
Donkey
October 8, 2019 1:20 pm

I’m looking for a rust-free Chevy S10. I’m going to put an LS motor in it and keep replacing and fixing that truck/motor until I keel over.

I’m pretty sure any vehicle over X number of years is considered a classic. Once a car reaches classic status, you can do all kinds of things to it.

Donkey
Donkey
  Donkey
October 8, 2019 1:50 pm

Well, it looks as though I am wrong about that. It is against federal law to remove any emissions equipment that came with a vehicle.

Apple
Apple
  Donkey
October 8, 2019 3:34 pm

After 25 years old you can

Donkey
Donkey
  Apple
October 8, 2019 11:42 pm

Apple,

I called Fantomworks (the car restoration reality shop on cable TV) and told them I had a 1995 chevy S10 I wanted to hotrod. They said they do not work on anything newer than 1973 because of emissions. They told me they would get fined and or prison time if they removed emissions equipment.

I’d be interested if you could prove them wrong. Fantomworks is located in Virginia as am I.

PaulTheCabDriver
PaulTheCabDriver
  Donkey
October 9, 2019 3:37 pm

Try the various auctions in Phoenix. You can find a lot of nice stuff, and no dealer license is needed to buy at them.

Dutch
Dutch
October 8, 2019 1:59 pm

I have late model cars with these features. Haven’t had any ‘nagging’ or the car getting in my way from my driving style. However, the Subaru ‘Eyesight’ can be fooled. Last year, here in Minnesota, on a very cold winter day, a car in front of me with a lot – and I mean a lot, of whitish exhaust, caused the Eyesight to briefly flash a red warning – but it didn’t kick in.

ragman
ragman
October 8, 2019 2:12 pm

I drive the antithesis of the nanny state mobile. A Jeep. It’s got none of this shit. With the exception of the emission control, it’s designed to be taken apart and modified. I’m surprised our elites still allow the Great Unwashed to own and drive such a fun vehicle.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  ragman
October 8, 2019 4:53 pm

Enjoy it while you can. It will become difficult to find gasoline when the progs get finished with their agenda.

PaulTheCabDriver
PaulTheCabDriver
  TN Patriot
October 9, 2019 3:39 pm

You can convert a Jeep to run on propane, you know.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  PaulTheCabDriver
October 9, 2019 5:47 pm

Any of the older cars can be converted, but you still have to find propane. It, too, is a fossil fuel and will be deemed unacceptable by our betters once they gain complete control.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 8, 2019 3:26 pm

I have driven 2 vehicles in the past month that had lane assist. One honda, and one mazda. I tested the lane assist feature by changing lanes without signalling. In both vehicles there was a vibration akin to that of a mild rumble strip. It did not feel as though the vehicle was trying to pull me back into my lane. This issue is, imo, a big nothing burger.

Apple
Apple
October 8, 2019 3:33 pm

My brothers jetta wrecked him out sunday. He was pulling out to pass a slower moving car and semi in a gentle left turning hill. As he was part way around the car it lane assissted him into the side of the car then full braked at 60 mph and he ended up in the trees. His airbag worked correctly. Car is totalled. Six months old.

PaulTheCabDriver
PaulTheCabDriver
  Apple
October 9, 2019 3:40 pm

Sue.

Dave
Dave
October 8, 2019 3:59 pm

I had fun when the cruise control on my rental car decided I was following the semi in the other lane too closely. The semi was doing 40 in a 70 zone going up a mountain. Glad no one was behind me.

Scot
Scot
October 8, 2019 4:30 pm

Now do seatbelts.
I have a friend that is alive today because he didn’t have a seatbelt on. The seatbelt ripped the seat he was sitting in in half though.
I also knew 3 nice ladies who all died because they were wearing seatbelts. The were trapped in the ditch in an upside down car and couldn’t get out.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Scot
October 9, 2019 2:52 pm

On average seat belts save lives and limbs, but since it is just an average, it should be a choice.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
October 8, 2019 4:50 pm

Didn’t the 737 Max have some pilot assists that would fly the plane into the ground?

Guy White
Guy White
October 8, 2019 5:27 pm

BMW AEB will NOT initiate braking, it will allow one to suicide into a bridge abutment. If the driver touches the brake then BMW AEB will do all it can to stop short of the barrier.

By the by, serves you right for driving a Pious. My BMW X5 diesel AWD weighs nearly three tons.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
October 8, 2019 6:24 pm

It’s amusing to watch the sepuku of the auto companies. They (under orders from their Uncle Sam) keep piling electronic shit into cars whose parts come from Red China which are assembled in third world shit holes like Mexico. The prices of the cars keep rising due to unnecessary technology, and no one can understand why Americans who make now $10 per hour due to the outsourcing can’t buy them. Doh!

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 8, 2019 8:12 pm

I’m the driver and I am in control , I pay for the car the road the proper permits and insurance to operate said vehicle . Consequently I should be able to turn off any thing I believe could inhibit my control of the car or in essence take control of the car from me . Boeing found out what happens when an airliner is thinking on its own , it potentially could and has become a lawn dart .
Like in a car the passengers and driver are potential crash test dummies in a millisecond thanks to onboard AI control .
Sky Net is self aware “NOT”!
If government and manufactures are relieving me of any liability go for your mechanized marvel .
I’ll go back to a 70 ford pickup 6 banger 3 on the tree and leave a carbon footprint like a damn Sasquatch !

yahsure
yahsure
October 8, 2019 9:33 pm

I drove a big rig that was like this. In rush hour traffic it almost gave me whiplash. You just aren’t ready for that sudden hard braking. It actually caused me pain, I felt all beaten up.

PB
PB
October 8, 2019 9:36 pm

My car has unnecessarily slammed the brakes on twice now.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
October 8, 2019 10:22 pm

It’s all a fad that’ll blow over.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  WestcoastDeplorable
October 9, 2019 5:37 am

You don’t understand who “safety” nazi’s are and their MO. They never retreat.

Gen. Chaos
Gen. Chaos
October 9, 2019 12:14 am

This is what happens when you have a generation of “drivers” who, 99% of the time, “drive” with their head in their laps texting while the car is moving. Semi-interested passengers, I call ’em. The “texting is my life” crowd is the justification for all the “driver assist crap” as well as the self driving car. Of course, you don’t need a high tech, Tesla auto pilot rolling fireball gizmo. Self driving cars have been around for decades. They are called “taxis.”