Physicist: The Entire Universe Might Be A Neural Network (Not A ‘Simulation’)

Authored by Victor Tangermann via Futurism.com,

It’s not every day that we come across a paper that attempts to redefine reality.

But in a provocative preprint uploaded to arXiv this summer, a physics professor at the University of Minnesota Duluth named Vitaly Vanchurin attempts to reframe reality in a particularly eye-opening way – suggesting that we’re living inside a massive neural network that governs everything around us.

In other words, he wrote in the paper, it’s a “possibility that the entire universe on its most fundamental level is a neural network.”

For years, physicists have attempted to reconcile quantum mechanics and general relativity. The first posits that time is universal and absolute, while the latter argues that time is relative, linked to the fabric of space-time.

In his paper, Vanchurin argues that artificial neural networks can “exhibit approximate behaviors” of both universal theories.

Since quantum mechanics “is a remarkably successful paradigm for modeling physical phenomena on a wide range of scales,” he writes, “it is widely believed that on the most fundamental level the entire universe is governed by the rules of quantum mechanics and even gravity should somehow emerge from it.”

“We are not just saying that the artificial neural networks can be useful for analyzing physical systems or for discovering physical laws, we are saying that this is how the world around us actually works,” reads the paper’s discussion. “With this respect it could be considered as a proposal for the theory of everything, and as such it should be easy to prove it wrong.”

The concept is so bold that most physicists and machine learning experts we reached out to declined to comment on the record, citing skepticism about the paper’s conclusions. But in a Q&A with Futurism, Vanchurin leaned into the controversy — and told us more about his idea.

Futurism: Your paper argues that the universe might fundamentally be a neural network. How would you explain your reasoning to someone who didn’t know very much about neural networks or physics?

Vitaly Vanchurin: There are two ways to answer your question.

The first way is to start with a precise model of neural networks and then to study the behavior of the network in the limit of a large number of neurons. What I have shown is that equations of quantum mechanics describe pretty well the behavior of the system near equilibrium and equations of classical mechanics describes pretty well how the system further away from the equilibrium. Coincidence? May be, but as far as we know quantum and classical mechanics is exactly how the physical world works.

The second way is to start from physics. We know that quantum mechanics works pretty well on small scales and general relativity works pretty well on large scales, but so far we were not able to reconcile the two theories in a unified framework. This is known as the problem of quantum gravity. Clearly, we are missing something big, but to make matters worse we do not even know how to handle observers. This is known as the measurement problem in context of quantum mechanics and the measure problem in context of cosmology.

Then one might argue that there are not two, but three phenomena that need to be unified: quantum mechanics, general relativity and observers. 99% of physicists would tell you that quantum mechanics is the main one and everything else should somehow emerge from it, but nobody knows exactly how that can be done. In this paper I consider another possibility that a microscopic neural network is the fundamental structure and everything else, i.e. quantum mechanics, general relativity and macroscopic observers, emerges from it. So far things look rather promising.

What first gave you this idea?

First I just wanted to better understand how deep learning works and so I wrote a paper entitled “Towards a theory of machine learning”. The initial idea was to apply the methods of statistical mechanics to study the behavior of neural networks, but it turned out that in certain limits the learning (or training) dynamics of neural networks is very similar to the quantum dynamics we see in physics. At that time I was (and still is) on a sabbatical leave and decided to explore the idea that the physical world is actually a neural network. The idea is definitely crazy, but if it is crazy enough to be true? That remains to be seen.

In the paper you wrote that to prove the theory was wrong, “all that is needed is to find a physical phenomenon which cannot be described by neural networks.” What do you mean by that? Why is such a thing “easier said than done?”

Well, there are many “theories of everything” and most of them must be wrong. In my theory, everything you see around you is a neural network and so to prove it wrong all that is needed is to find a phenomenon which cannot be modeled with a neural network. But if you think about it it is a very difficult task mainly because we know so little about how the neural networks behave and how the machine learning actually works. That was why I tried to develop a theory of machine learning on the first place.

How does your research relate to quantum mechanics, and does it address the observer effect?

There are two main lines of thought the Everett’s (or many-world’s) interpretation of quantum mechanics and Bohm’s (or hidden variables) interpretation. I have nothing new to say about the many-worlds interpretation, but I think I can contribute something to the hidden variables theories. In the emergent quantum mechanics which I considered, the hidden variables are the states of the individual neurons and the trainable variables (such as bias vector and weight matrix) are quantum variables. Note that the hidden variables can be very non-local and so the Bell’s inequalities are violated. An approximated space-time locality is expected to emerge, but strictly speaking every neuron can be connected to every other neuron and so the system need not be local.

Do you mind expanding on the way this theory relates to natural selection? How does natural selection factor into the evolution of complex structures/biological cells?

What I am saying is very simple. There are structures (or subnetworks) of the microscopic neural network which are more stable and there are other structures which are less stable. The more stable structures would survive the evolution, and the less stable structure would be exterminated. On the smallest scales I expect that the natural selection should produce some very low complexity structures such as chains of neurons, but on larger scales the structures would be more complicated. I see no reason why this process should be confined to a particular length scale and so the claim is that everything that we see around us (e.g. particles, atoms, cells, observers, etc.) is the outcome of natural selection.

<I was intrigued by your first email when you said you might not understand everything yourself. What did you mean by that? Were you referring to the complexity of the neural network itself, or to something more philosophical?

Yes, I only refer to the complexity of neural networks. I did not even have time to think about what could be philosophical implications of the results.

I need to ask: would this theory mean we’re living in a simulation?

No, we live in a neural network, but we might never know the difference.

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MistahShift
MistahShift
September 14, 2020 8:04 am

Simulation? Neural net? Hmm… I’ve got it! Simulated Neural Net!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 9:00 am

This is not new information.
Every photon in the universe knows simultaneously, exactly what every other photon is doing. Why??
Because God said it would.
The universe is of God and is God. All of it, not some of it. That’s why it’s timeless.

Fedup
Fedup
  Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 10:01 am

So you’re supposing that we’re the figment of imagination within the neural network of a god?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Fedup
September 14, 2020 11:35 am

Who said that? You?

Craven Warrior
Craven Warrior
September 14, 2020 9:16 am

I read it and have absolutely no idea what the heck it said! But my knee jerk reaction is so what.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Craven Warrior
September 14, 2020 9:58 am

Reality is what I experience physically, sometimes mental or neural experiences are not always reality. Just ask the local drug dealer. TN Patriot has a good observation.

Stucky
Stucky
  Craven Warrior
September 14, 2020 11:26 am

“I read it and have absolutely no idea what the heck it said! “

haha. You’re not alone.

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That quote above is by the guy who basically discovered quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics gave Einstein headaches.

Stucky
Stucky
  Craven Warrior
September 14, 2020 11:43 am

“I read it and have absolutely no idea what the heck it said!”

Well …. he wrote a paper … undoubtedly meant for people who at least know the fundamentals of quantum mechanics. His intent was not to explain introductory basics.

——

I’ve read several books over the past 6 months about quantum mechanics. Not kidding. ALL of them very very introductory, and even them it’s sometimes incredibly difficult to follow. I don’t really want to know HOW it works (I’ll never even be smart enough for that.)

I want to know what it MEANS … can such knowledge improve my life? I believe it can … and has. I have been specifically fascinated how quantum stuff integrates with religious stuff. What, if anything, can it tell us about God?

I am very seriously considering writing a series of articles on what I’ve learned. Trust me, it’s not “so what / who cares” stuff. It is really REALLY fascinating. I think I might have the ability to make it simple to understand, really interesting, and maybe even make you say “Wow! Cool!!”.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Stucky
September 14, 2020 11:48 am

Do it. Maybe I’m smaat enough to understand it if you explain it.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
September 14, 2020 9:49 am

Sounds like a discussion a couple of hippies on acid might have had back in ’69.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
September 14, 2020 11:07 am

“You been tellin’ me you’re a genius
Since you were seventeen…
In all the time I’ve known you
I still don’t know what you mean…
The weekend at the college
Didn’t turn out like you planned…
The things that pass for knowledge
I can’t understand.” Steely Dan

1 Corinthians 1:21 KJB… “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”

Colossians 1:16-17 KJB… “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Pick up the book and put it to the test!

22winmag - TBP's Jewish Yankee Mormon Sh1tp0$ter
22winmag - TBP's Jewish Yankee Mormon Sh1tp0$ter
  grace country pastor
September 14, 2020 11:20 am

Agreed.

Pick up the Book of Mormon and discover why America is in such awful shape after 244 years.
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From Alma 43;

45 Nevertheless, the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.

46 And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.

22winfag - A Mormon Loser
22winfag - A Mormon Loser

The Book of Mormon is not Gospel.

More like, Cult Propaganda.

Stucky
Stucky
  grace country pastor
September 14, 2020 11:28 am

God loves quantum mechanics!

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————– A partial copy of just one quantum mechanics equation ———-

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Stucky
September 14, 2020 11:50 am

Clear as mud.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 11:52 am

Scoff at you own peril. God will not be mocked.
I don’t have to know physics to be in Awe and Wonder of God and I don’t need an acid trip to be blown away by his majesty.
God respects a Satanist but hates an Agnostic. That’s somebody too proud and lazy to believe in anything of substance.

BL
BL
  Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 7:04 pm

Flea- Until we understand that we are electric beings in an electric world with a cognitive connection, we will not be able to get ourselves free here in Slavelandia. If all humans were on the same thought wave in agreement, whatever is the system/awareness preferred that we slaves bring into being so it shall be done. If we let them continue to keep the sheep in bondage mentality things won’t change.

God can’t do that for us.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  BL
September 14, 2020 7:37 pm

Wanna translate that. What can’t god do for us. It’s disconnected or cryptic.

BL
BL
  Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 8:11 pm

Flea- Not cryptic, very simple to understand. We humans MUST get ourselves on the same page, undivided in a quest to get our freedom from this enslavement. Do you have trouble wrapping your mind around the God/program responding to our unified field of thought. Much like prayers being answered.

Above you wrote that the universe is of God and is God. I have written something very close to that many times. God is not separate of us, God is in us and everything in the universe.

Greater is he that is in me than he who is in the world.

BL
BL
  BL
September 14, 2020 8:58 pm

In short Flea, OUR MINDS are the most powerful force within the program, we could change everything if we unified. If that smacks of a neural network then so be it.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  BL
September 14, 2020 9:23 pm

Why didn’t you just say that in the first place instead of a bunch of smart ass comments. You’re not important enough to waste time translating acid fueled meanderings of the mind.
We could change everything if we were unified. That won’t happen till God removes Satan.

BL
BL
  Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 11:15 pm

Thanks for pointing out my importance Flea, where do you rank? That was entirely rude. FYI, do you always read my comments as smart assed? There was nothing smart assed about my first comment . Perhaps you just didn’t GIT IT.

Not my fault.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  BL
September 14, 2020 9:00 pm

No I don’t have trouble wrapping my mind around Thought being prayer or prayer being answered.
“If we let them continue to keep the sheep in bondage mentality things won’t change.

God can’t do that for us.” That’s either disconnected or cryptic. Are you asking us to change the minds of insane liberals and other freaks?

BL
BL
  Fleabaggs
September 14, 2020 9:06 pm

Want to ask me why God lets people get killed in plane crashes and car wrecks too? Jeebus……

Shit happens , liberal idiots happen, but the program responds to majority thought. You are here to be entertained Flea.