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I have some points of contention with bits and pieces of his email, but overall it’s sound.
I can’t morally (or as an engineer, given its reliance on the power grid) support Bitcoin. It goes against everything I stand for.
I won’t go into Donald Trump, but after having read all 6 chapters of Patrick Byrne’s election journal, it validated my views of him.
https://www.deepcapture.com/
Otherwise he speakum lots of truth. I’d add that it’s not enough to build an alternative system. You also have to peacefully destroy the existing system. E.g.: Refuse to feed Williamson County government employees until they remove all mandates and stop allowing developers to overbuild, hence bring in Blue State locusts. Refuse to deliver to Nashville. Etc.
By Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
The problem with the American Populist movement is that it was centralized.
Centralized movements give the enemy a central attack vector to target and overcome. One man, who took on the weight of the world, became the sole focus of both the enemy and of the American Populist movement itself for over five years.
The oligarchs removed that one man from the entire internet, then they removed him from office. Everyone knows this, we all watched it happen. What no one has clearly defined is where American Populism goes from here.
The oligarchs believe that they have destroyed American Populism by rigging an election, removing the movement’s leader from public view, and by forcing everyone to stay locked inside for a year while the country burns down around us all.
They think they have won and want to define “New Normal” under their rule as they consolidate power. What they don’t realize is that they have recruited tens of millions of Americans to the side of reason, light, and Truth. Many millions of these people didn’t even vote for Donald Trump, but they recognize what is happening to our country and want to stop it.
Over the course of the past year I’ve seen comments across the internet become increasingly “red pilled” and aware of the Big Lies being pushed by the corporate media and frauds in government. It turns out that keeping people locked inside on the internet for an entire year ends up illuminating a lot of minds.
The People are learning what the real problem is: the globalist oligarchs. Not any one politician. Not this political party or that one. The entire system is corrupt. Banks, tech companies, media companies, schools, government, and on and on.
We must exit this broken and failing system and start building a new one immediately. We are not revolutionaries. We are not violent. We are reformers. We are builders. When we up and leave the existing system in favor of our own the existing system will crumble without us lifting a finger.
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”― Buckminster Fuller
The way around centralized problems in the movement is to decentralize American Populism at the local level. In order to take our country back and move forward with the American Populist movement we must first take our local communities back. Here are several examples of this happening across the country:
Big Tech’s Unlikely Next Battleground: North Dakota
Montana Bill Would Designate Antifa as Domestic Terrorism
Florida restaurant goes viral for ‘face diapers not required’ mask policy
We must build our own economy. Here’s how.
Pull your positions out of their useless stock market and buy bitcoin, gold, silver, food stores, and ammo. Bitcoin is free speech money. Learn what it is and how to use it. Now.
National elections are a big distraction. Members of Congress are bought and sold like cattle by the oligarchs, foreign nations, and whoever has the money. Instead center your focus on getting American Populists and Christian men and women elected mayor, to state legislatures, as judges, on school boards, etc.
Cut the cable cord. That includes both Fox and CNN. Do not watch it. Do something else with your time and money. Support alternative media outlets and individuals. Get that garbage marxist indoctrination content machine our of your home and away from your family.
Exit the Big Tech mind prison. Join Gab.
If your church has gone “woke,” leave. We have room for only one Gospel in Christian churches and that’s the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Not the imitation false gospel of “social justice.”
Leave Big Banks for local community banks.
Start supporting small local shops.
Create pro-family, pro-business, and pro-law and order policies for your local area. We can’t control DC, but we can control what happens in our backyards.
Pull your kids out of public schools where their minds are being molded at the altar of marxism. Do everything and anything you can to homeschool or attend Christian private schools or online schooling programs.
Pay attention to the brands you buy and support. Check out their websites and marketing. If they are “woke,” stop giving them your money. Period.
We must also work to unite American Populists on the left and the right. What unites the left and right wing populists, and Americans in general, is Jesus Christ.
The trasnhumanist nihilists and their technocracy are offering nothing of spiritual value. The Gospel Message of Jesus Christ, and that of American Populism, is one of redemption, hope, love, dominion, sovereignty, freedom and forgiveness. None of these things are possible with critical theory or woke consumer crony capitalism paired with a corporate techno tyranny.
What are you waiting for?
Let’s get to work, we have a new economy to build.
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Andrew seems like a really good dude. And it looks like he’s from your neck of the woods, Admin.
https://news.gab.com/2021/02/17/its-time-to-build-our-own-economy/
Great article. I’m way down the road.
Please save me the agony of reading the whole Byrne piece and give us the cliff notes on how Trump validated your opinion of him.
The Byrne articles are well worth the time. They are broken up into 6 episodes that each take 15 minutes to read.
He was a guy in the room for the whole post-election debacle.
Sure, although I HIGHLY advise reading them. It read like an Agatha Christie novel.
td;dr; Trump is smarter than folks give him credit for. He is quieter and more introspective than people give him credit for. He relied too heavily on old loyalties. He could have made the necessary decisions to save the country but backed out for whatever reason – likely because he was tired of the abuse. He consistently boiled down the war as one against him rather than against the Republic – so he was missing the point. And he did not have the “CEO” traits we needed to effect radical change – he delegated too much and he threw too many big issues at the wall, expecting his subordinates (who were subordinates not to him but to the Establishment) to solve the problems.
My OPINION (not Patrick’s, who was ambivalent) is that he was a terrible government executive. He may be a great CEO, but subordinates in a company have the self-interest to not get fired or see their company go bankrupt. That is not how career government employees think and he was out of his league. My OPINION is that history will not be kind to him.
My guess is that like “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” he had to choose between going with the flow or seeing his children suicided. He had no real options. He had to capitulate. The system is designed to perpetuate itself. He was a bit player. And so he remains.
If you recall a conversation a few years ago, I said that we needed a Caesar. And that Caesar had to be somebody who knew history, could learn from it, and do whatever was necessary to effect the change we needed. One example I recall mentioning was that the CIA needed to be shuttered by military OPS within the first week of the “Presidency”.
We needed someone who was willing to cross the Rubicon. After the first year, it was clear that Trump was not that guy. He was the last gasp of an Empire in its death throes. If he wasn’t willing to deal with the arrows, then he shouldn’t have run. And what REALLY pisses me off is the amount of people on TBP who defended him when I pointed all of this out. It was nothing but fucking excuses from the Q-Berts and Always Trumpers.
Now it’s too late.
Forget Caesar or anyone else to become a ‘leader’ and be your own leader. As to Trump? He’s gone, so long and now you have a senile insect and his handlers who worked real hard to steal an election to install their agendas and are getting ready to destroy the country with a vengenance.
Let them do their worst, it will backfire spectacularly and precipitate a crisis the likes of which we’ve been forecasting for a long, long time. It’s almost biblical. It may BE biblical, who knows.
What I went through this past week opened my eyes really wide. The government isn’t going to save you, you can only help yourself and take care of yourself and…if you’re able, take care of those in need. I know what I need to do and what I need to acquire from here on out, I can’t prepare for all contingencies but I will do my best. I fared much better than most because I had prepped.
My friend who works at the HEB grocery chain said the store(s) was empty, nothing on the shelves and a minimum of a week before stuff started hitting the shelves again. Yesterday I drove around, checking things out, no gasoline, pumps out, no food, no bottled water, no baby food, nada. Let that sink in for a minute. Had I not prepped I’d be up the shit creek with the rest of the unprepared, scrounging for scraps and hoping I had enough gas to get home.
Here’s an article that I do believe taps into the energy crisis here in the state, with the senile insect and his handlers STILL pushing that ‘green’ energy things are only going to get worse…
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/an_insider_explains_why_texans_lost_their_power.html
Given the present situation, I agree. But with the caveat that we could indeed have had a Caesar Grey Champion rescue this nation from the abyss. Most folks are followers and there have been men who have led their nations out of crises and into golden ages.
It’s too late for that until total collapse at this point. If we are fortunate enough to get a Caesar, he’ll rise out of the ashes and will be Gen X.
Or what we get could be even worse. Maybe our very own Kim Jong-un.
IIRC, nat gas has a small percentage of moisture in it, even after it passes through dryers (similar to what happens in a refrigeration system). Not sure if the Ideal Gas Law comes into play here (the PV = nRT thing), but if P goes down so will T, and with moisture in the flow at some point icing might occur and stop the flow. But I’ll go with what the AT writer suggests.
Grew up in an older farm house that had a coal burner converted of fuel oil with convection flow only for the heated house air, so loss of electricity was never a problem. Only an empty oil tank would allow the cold to win. But those damn cows still needed to be milked!
The turd in the punch bowl says nothing is going to change for the better but only the worse unless it is literally taken back and held by force and the opposition expelled or purged.
TPTB won’t allow it.
Only possible but unlikely exception is the more remote rural areas but good luck with that too.
They’ll just be the last to fall.
They just need to cut off the power and entitlement checks and game over.
My own view of Trump is that he’s self absorbed and is likely brain damaged by Aspartame and Sucralose. Trump is a ditherer, whose final conclusion comes from the last person he talked to. Of course that’s based on Byrne’s accounts and a few second hand accounts in articles by others over the past 5 years. I don’t have any firsthand info of my own experience to go on. He could be a lot different.
But we all know how it would have worked out with President Hillary.
It wouldn’t have. But it would have worked if people went on strike in 2008. Or 2012 after Obama was re-elected. Or in 2018, when nothing changed.
It would have if………
Please stop
I am a member of GAB. I suggested that Andrew not to limit his thinking only to Christians. Anyone that supports liberty, no matter their race, sex, creed or religion should be included. Anyone that supports communism, fascism or totalitarianism should be shamed, shunned and excluded! I know plenty of people that are CINO or Sunday go to meeting for social connections that support tyrants.
Another note, Tyrants can be local too! I live in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee that is still under a mask ordinance where most of the rest of the state isn’t!
Andrew may not say it outright, but this is primarily a battle between Good and Evil, namely Christianity vs. Paganism. IMHO.
I’d also wager he’d make the argument that they are welcome to listen and learn. I wouldn’t even deign to call CINOs as such. They’re apostates. Either you believe in the Gospel or you don’t. And if you do, he lays out exactly the case for how to rebel against tyranny. Again IMHO.
Gotta lay it out there!
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJB… “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
If they get you to ask the wrong questions
“how can we get more, moar, the morest liberty?”
they don’t need to worry about the answers…
I’m on Gab and I had to unfollow him. All of his commentary is through a Christian vs. non-Christian paradigm. Nothing against him but it gets old really quickly.
Because that’s the paradigm we’re dealing with, whether one likes it or not. The West tossed Christianity and we are where we are because of it.
Lol, this is a very naive perspective on the history of Christianity. The church was specifically set up to be a centralized gatekeeper and king maker. Have you even read both the Old Testament and New Testament. Christianity was corrupted a long, long, long time ago. Viewing the world through a Christian vs. non-Christian perspective misses the point entirely.
What crawled up your ass and died, Clammy? Sheesh. You’re jumping all over the place in your retort.
Yes, pretty sure I’ve read the Bible. I can’t help what you believe or don’t believe. What I can say is that the main movers and shakers among the Founders believed that this nation would only survive if the majority of its citizenry maintained their Christian moorings. Not Judeo-Christian. Are you debating this, or are you arguing that they were wrong in believing it? Even the Deists like Jefferson fretted about it and were raised in Christian upbringings.
We are absolutely where we are because Americans have replaced the belief in a Higher Power with a fervent, cultish belief in nature worship. A weird, modern-day pagan animism if you will. Do you deny this?
This war for the soul of the West rests at the foot of the Cross. Nothing else will ever be able to defeat these sadistic, Satanic elites. Let alone Islam or Communism. I have yet to meet an atheist who doesn’t fear death. They may never admit it, but they still have an innate sense that they may not have all of the answers to the end of physical existence.
The Founders of this country were deists and believed in a Supreme being. They supported ALL religious freedom not just Christian religious freedoms.
I don’t have any problems with Christianity and I’m fond of Jesus teaching. However, everything that came AFTER Jesus is suspect. Paul was a very flawed person who viewed Jesus teaching through a Pharisees perspective. We all know the flawed ways the church was set up and how the bible was compiled.
Most importantly, I’m not interested in any religion who puts women in a submissive position to a man. Not going to happen, ever.
Women should never be submissive to another human being regardless of gender.
That is quite the generalization. Care to back that up with a list of the signers of the Declaration and Constitution, and what their religious affinities were? I’ve already done so but knock yourself out. You may be surprised at what you find when you read primary sources and not some historian’s take on each man.
I never argued otherwise. Nor did I argue against a wall of separation.
You’re arguing a variety of things here and it is way too much to unpack in one comment. Start with the first comment, which is that everything that came after Jesus was “suspect”. That connotes negativity. If you were to say that certain components are debatable, then of course I would agree. For instance, Constantine and the Council.
Quite interesting, commonly believed, and patently false. This isn’t the place to unpack this, but I’d challenge you to look at how Jesus viewed Mary Magdalene as well as His Mother. Parse His words in the Bible. Ravi Zacharias did an excellent job debunking this fallacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm9-fCzsltI
That’s nice and all but I’m not interested in organized religion. I’ve read the OT and NT, the history of the church, and have my own perspective. I’m not against people who believe in religion but it’s not for me.
I’m not trying to convert you. Believe what you want to believe; it won’t have an adverse impact on me. But at the same time I can’t let fallacies float around out there. That’s all I was trying to say.
Arguing that Christianity is anti-woman is just plain poor research and fallacious. Arguing that even the majority of the Framers and Founders, let alone all, were Deists is also poor research and fallacious.
The fact that you’re nitpicking and calling my perspective a fallacy is EXACTLY why I don’t want anything to do with organize religion.
Nitpicking? So you believe that most or all of the Framers were Deists, and Christianity is anti-woman. Those are factually provable fallacies.
My perspective and yours are moot. There is an objective truth and it’s as simple as that. 2 + 2 = 4; it doesn’t equal 5 no matter how much you’d like. I’m sorry you think we are debating feelings here.
Christianity is anti-woman. Why do you think so many women have left religion in the past 50 years. I don’t want anything to do with a religion who only sees me submissive to a husband and a baby maker. No thanks.
Then you’re confusing Christianity with “Church” or “Organized Religion”. Christianity is the following of the teachings of Christ. And it is as a matter of fact, not your feelings or anyone else’s, NOT anti-woman.
Blah, blah, blah… more nitpicking.
WTF? I’m taking your responses and responding in kind. That’s how conversations work. If you want to discuss feelz, that’s fine, but I’m the wrong person for that.
No, you’re calling my perspective a fallacy. I’m no longer taking you seriously.
Your perspective – call it what it is, feelings, – is factually and provably based on a lie. But hey, knock yourself out. I’m sure if your perspective is that you can fly, nothing should happen to you when you jump off a cliff.
So… now it’s my feelings. Yeah, fuck off.
You’re making the case to all good men out there as to why they should marry Russian imports. LOL you crack me up, Clammy.
And your making the PERFECT case of why I don’t care about religion that favors men. A different perspective is either a fallacy or hurt feelings. Must be great to be so oblivious to your own shallowness.
Is blood shooting out of your eyes, Clammy? Is something going on down there that we should know about?
More belittlement? Yawn.
Yeah, she’s pissed that she got rid of the BTCs she ‘dabbled’ in is now at > $55,000 and if she had just kept a HODL position she’d finally be able to pay her student loans instead of skipping out on them.
I couldn’t keep my HODL position because someone I trusted fucked me over financially. But thanks for pointing out my mistakes.
My mistake was worse in that nobody fucked me over, I fucked myself over by selling mine when they worth far far far less. If I had kept them I’d have $1,110,000 of ‘not money’ right now.
Who’s crying now?
I thought you were going to leave me alone. I’m not interested in your regrets.
What’s preventing you from ignoring me?
Leftist hate being ignored sweetie….
Begs the question…is bitcoin even liquid at this price? Could I sell one if I had it?
Awe, Certainly that $385,000 student loan was worth it for your lesbian under water basket weaving degree. Just focus on equality of outcome and ignore the equality of input sweetheart. . It will all be ok. Lmfao
There is something deep rooted in her statements and her continually saying the bible favors men. She may have read portions of the bible, most likely out of context and certainly not with the Holy Spirit as her guide.
I think you are wasting your time here with her, brother. You did well though kimosabe!
Nope, the Bible is patriarchal, she’s not wrong there. The Old Testament mirrors much of the Islamic concepts of the role of women and….the Church has a long history of relegating women to the role of temptress and adultress, going so far as to demand they cover themselves with wimples and other head coverings.
If you don’t believe that the Church (Catholic) treated all women EXCEPT for Mary as evil then perhaps an examination of the role of Castrati should be discussed. The Church deemed women evil but loved soprano voices, so….the clergycastrated young boys so their voice would stay sweet and high.
In 1588, Pope Sixtus V furthered the female-singer ban by restricting them from singing on any kind of stage whatsoever. This posed a major problem for the opera world, as sopranos were particularly essential to the art. Young male singers were capable of hitting the same notes as adult female sopranos, but their immature voices would break and lower as they approached manhood. In response to this perceived problem, man manipulated nature through a deviant process of castrating young boys at just the proper time to stunt their vocal cords and capture their high, youthful voices.
The invasive procedure of castration in the name of art was banned in the early 19th century; however, Italian doctors continued to create
castrati until 1870 for revered performances at the Sistine Chapel. Italy and the Catholic Church had been mesmerized by castrato singers for the past 300 years, making the so-called habit difficult to break.
While the castrati were extremely popular with audiences, parents of young boy singers were becoming less comfortable with castrating their sons. In the late 1700s, Italian families were emerging from poverty and felt no need to subject their children to money-making schemes. Intellectuals also began protesting forced castration, and many believed the practice was unnatural. An increased effort to bring women back into the theater also aided this shift – young boys were disinterested in becoming castrati, and, due to the deficit of subjects and growing moral outrage, the pope was forced to outlaw the practice in 1903.
This is an adult castrato singing…
https://www.ranker.com/list/disturbing-castrati-facts/jen-jeffers
I agree with you, in part. What you say about the old testament is true and, it does follow closely the Abrahamic laws, like the Muslims still do. However, with the new covenant of Jesus Christ (the New Testament) many of the old “traditions and laws” changed. One example is when Peter was shown in a vision to ‘take and eat’ all the fish, fowl and walking creatures that were previously verboten. Jesus death and resurrection also gave the believer access to the ‘Holy of Holies’ after the curtain was rent in two giving us a temple in our hearts and later, at Pentecost, the Holy Ghost/Spirit as our counselor until his return.
With regard to what the catholic church did with their “interpretation” of the bible is something all together different. Those things like the castrations you talk about, as well as the paid indulgences, the dark age inquisitions, etc., were what man chose to do, calling it of God. What it was about, as always is the case when man has too much power, is massive sin, power and control.
Finally, back to the patriarchal aspects of this discussion, the essence is true in that God did deem man as the spiritual leader of a household, as well as leader in other aspects of society and, that a women would support him in all his efforts. However, the women was to be treated with respect and she was to treat the man with respect. (I’ll try and locate these versus. I’ve read the bible multiple times but, I’m terrible at quoting scripture).
I guess all I’m trying to state in summary is that things worked well in this country up until the 60’s on. It was when society began taking God out of everything. When we turned our backs on his laws and precepts, which were meant to treat women with respect for their roles in the family, and children, sometimes with discipline but, with love, families functioned well and so did society. Generally speaking it was moral.
I’m not sure how good a job I am doing in expressing my thoughts on all this as I’m on my first cup of coffee this morning!
MGM, patriarchs are what delivered property rights and individual liberties to us. But I think the argument you are trying to make is that the OT was anti-woman. Or are you talking about the Church? I’m confused here.
You won’t find me defending the Church. They’ve done far worse things than we’re discussing here. But like I said, the Church does not define Christianity.
Christianity was supposed to define the Church, but human nature got in the way.
So, we should listen to 2 bitter women about relations between men and women. No thank you, I’ll take my ques from Christianity thank you very much.
It takes both a man and a woman to follow the best way to relate. The best guide is the Bible and/or Christianity. Men and women are equal but DIFFERENT. Women have been led to believe they can do anything a man can do. While this is true on an individual basis (depending on what man and what woman OF COURSE), it is in no way indicative of the whole. This is the primrose path women have been led down.
Go fight our wars bitches. Go into dangerous careers that men dominate…for a reason. Without men, women are fucked.
GNL: Bitter women? Please. A chauvinistic male is going to lecture on the merits of the Bible because…it favors men. Were it to favor women I guarantee you would be calling for it’s destruction. How come you didn’t make mention of the Church castrating young boys to avoid having to use female singers? Cherry pick much? Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
How many times does AOC have to point out to you that this is not about the Church? And yes, you and Steph come across as the most bitter women I have ever known. It really is too bad because I think you have a lot to contribute and, don’t get me wrong, you do. The problem really is one of knowing your lane. Any unit/organization has a hierarchy, no? I have never seen a good relationship where the woman is in charge.
This does not mean men should not revere, love, support and defend their women.
Here is a factual difference in your relationship (if you had one) and mine with my wife. You would have had your little weenie man masking all the live long day like a little bitch. I, on the other hand, stood up to my feelz wife and set the tone on a correct path. You = weenie, believe any lie, household where Me = stand up for truth and do not give in to insanity.
I’m not bitter, I’m realistic. I’ve been failed by many men all of my life. I’d never be submissive to ANY man because I don’t trust any of them.
NOW we’re getting somewhere! Good job! You had Significant Emotional Events in your adolescence which caused you to short circuit. Happens to the best of us.
But don’t try and conflate your problems with objective truth.
AOC
Incorrect. I’ve been failed by both men and women equally all my life. Only thing that seems to matter to you people is my opinion of men. I wouldn’t be submissive to any human because they’re all flawed and everybody sins regardless of gender.
I kneel before One and One only. I’m sorry for your Significant Emotional Events. We’ve all been through Hell. But I’m not gonna let you make shit up and pass it off as facts.
AOC
I’m not making shit up, I’m intentionally not elaborating on most of my comments because it would go over your head because of your surface level understanding of other people’s ideas and/or perspectives.
Or maybe you also didn’t read my previous comment when I called you shallow.
I’ll say a prayer for you, Clammy. Just for you and only you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Steph,
So, YOU have problems with everyone? Hmm
Steph,
Then YOU are a bad judge of men and YOU make bad relationship decisions. MAYBE it is your glowing personality that men have a hard time with?
GNL, I’d have begged Jesus for forgiveness and offed myself in the woods if I had to listen to this delusional shit for the rest of my life. No fucking kidding! LMFAO
Buy a Russian bride! It may be more expensive in the short run, but long run??? NFW!
GNL: I’m a bad judge of character of people in general. I give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time and it always comes backs to bit me in the ass.
Steph,
Don’t give up so much of yourself from the start. You may have a beautiful heart. There are people who will take advantage of that. It is YOUR job to make people treat you with respect. If they do not, then you should part ways. This world is not a place for blind trust.
Steph – Putting to much expectations in people leads to disappointment. They will fail you constantly, even close friends and family. When people actually do the nice or right things, its a bonus. Better to have the occasional surprise than constant disappointments. imo.
I, on the other hand, stood up to my feelz wife and set the tone on a correct path.
What?!! Did you slap the shit out of her to make her obey you? You set her on the CORRECT path? Whose concept of a correct path were you insisting she follow? You sound like an abusive husband and bully.
Grow up and get real. What you are is a man who is afraid of women who won’t cow down to your edicts or concepts of what a ‘woman’ should be. You aren’t God and telling people your concept of the truth and forcing them to follow it smacks of mental illness and abuse.
MGM, that’s not what he was saying at all. I also told my wife that my kids will not Diaper Up, nor would I. She can do whatever she wants; it’s her prerogative.
But this is why we are where we are in this country. The only reasonable way back, after the bombs fall, is for heads of household to vote. Women GENERALLY (read: generally) vote with their hearts and not their heads. They’re just wired differently and thank God for that, because they complement men and temper their worst inclinations. We do the same for women.
So, here you are making shit up about people again. You have now called my a woman beater and a misogynist. I believe you are beyond repair. This is why I stood up for Stucky and LLPOH. Women, as a whole, are hysterical. There is truth in what I say.
Mygirl and Stephanie see sexism everywhere.
Now that is some good biblical scholarship and historical research! I recently heard something to the effect of: “All 3 of the Mosaic (of Moses) religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam…” I had never heard the term Mosaic used in that context, but it is quite illuminating.
The rest is irrelevant to this thread, other than some of the common origins and uncommonly brutal practices of all three of these authoritarian faiths.
A couple of those guys up the thread are pretty clearly struggling to maintain their personal prejudices!
That’s some creepy singing, I’ll give ya that.
Awe the snowflake cannot take a differing opinion. Then goes all tiger like screaming cursing threatening ….lmao. Buh bye. Bless your heart you need a safe place sweetheart?
AOC,
You can’t win against feelz. That’s why they use it.
GCL: No ‘feelz’ here, just dealing with a chauvenist who has some serious issues with misogyny.
misogyny
[məˈsäjənē]
NOUN
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.
Is that directed at me or someone else???
Is that directed at me or someone else???
Umm, did you catch where I directed the comment to GCL? It’s right there in the first sentence….GCL…
I typed GCL, but, apparently it was GNL who I was addressing. Ah well.
Oooops, there goes stupid me with my terrible reading comprehension. Clammy will set all of us bigoted men straight. Sounds like I should hire her as a financial adviser, too.
AOC
You can’t read.
I read your conflicting statements just fine. Don’t worry about my reading abilities. Worry about your own sanity. Seriously.
Did you just call me a misogynist? Come on now, don’t try to do me like you did Stucky. Just like a woman, beat around the bush. I am not against women. Feelz? Yes, you are a BIG feelz person. There is a reason why women are perceived as drama queens and are susceptible to hysterics.
How did I do Stucky? If you haven’t figured out by now, I don’t take shit from anyone who isn’t holding a gun to my head. They have the gun, I may tone it down. As to this feelz nonsense, I see lots more intense feelings from men who, for the most part, rely on anger as their defining emotion.
Now, while I’m at it…I actually love men, seriously, I like their voices, their beards and strong arms and all the rest. I like real men, honest men with integrity and grit and men who know who they are and what they need to do.
I like adult men, not little boys and…fact here…it’s only adult men whom I respect and they respect me in turn.
I am a handful, I admit, but, my idea of a relationship is a partnership, we both pull together and when the chips are down, I stand behind him and cover his back. I’m not servile, subservient and you sure as God made little green apples are not going to get me to OBEY you…
MGM,
So, where IS your man?
“So, where IS your man?”
He died, cancer of the pancreas…now keep on with your bullshit about me hating men…
Sorry to hear that…
Sorry to hear that…
Yeah, me too. That was six years ago, we weren’t married but may as well have been. I refused to remarry after I divorced and he was a widower whose wife had died of breast cancer and we were both of the mind that marriage was immaterial.
Since then I haven’t worried over relationships, it’s like shopping in a thrift store….
Cancer sucks, no two ways about it…
MGM,
Yes, I remember now. Hopefully you will be able to move on without being a misandrist.
Sincere condolences.
GNL: I truly appreciate your sincere condolences and the little snide misandrist comment as well…thank you, your graciousness is nonpareil.
You know you’ve seen much worse on TBP. I’ve been a supporter of yours as well. Never forget who loved you first.
Steph,
You had me in the beginning then you went all rad fem and fucked it all up. Now please just stfu
Well you lost the discussion at that moment, and you knew it, so you replied with BS.
Pulling things out of your ass such as “[a] religion that favors men”, and even better “I don’t believe in hell” then only aggravates the fail.
I mean -muaaaahahahaha- if you don’t believe in hell, not even symbolically, why even argue with anybody?
You should call yourself PhD, you know “piled higher and deeper”
So, you would rather burn in hell for all eternity?
Just because you THINK the essence of Christianity is about husbands and babies?
Brilliant reasoning.
I don’t believe in hell.
Hoohaw, this is great. An article about survival and taking back the country devolves into a religious diatribe.
If your house is on fire and burning down, do you discuss religion or do you call 911 and hunt down a fire hose?
Welcome to the Clammorrhoid Show. Been this way for as long as I can remember.
Good advice:
Holy Crap, Batman! Completely and totally forgot about that thread.
I was feeling kind of down today. IU (basketball) lost. Again. Archie Miller (coach) is a bust. Mom is being difficult.
But, now that I read how fucken WONDERFUL I am, I feel a lot better! Thanks! lmfao
BTW … #6 on that list is no longer true.
Discussing ANYTHING with Clammy is a Total Waste Of Time. Welcome to the club of those who tried.
I’ve got to ask…how did the ‘Clammy’ name originate?
She had a site named Age of Calamity if memory serves me. We sure are living it, thanks to her past votes.
Llpoh summed up her “perspectives” best in that Oldie But Goodie post from I_S.
Thanks. Now I’m wondering why she trolls this site. Whatever…
1. It’s time of calamity and it’s from the book Feed by M.T. Anderson.
2. I didn’t vote for Obama and I’ve only voted in the 2004 and 2020 elections.
They Dead Named her from her old profile.
Stucky,
Whatever happened to “I agree with you on a lot of things”. Are you bi-polar or something?
No, I am not bipolar.
I said I agree with you on a LOT of things …. not EVERYthing.
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I can understand why you’re frustrated here. Because,
YOU said (emphasis mine) very early on — “That’s nice and all but I’m not interested in ORGANIZED RELIGION”
AoC’s immediate reply was (emphasis mine) ….
“Arguing that CHRISTIANITY is anti-woman is just plain poor research and fallacious.”
Well, you did NOT say you’re not interested in Christianty … you even said you were “fond” of Jesus’ teaching, and I assume you are also fond of Jesus’ exemplary treatment of women … rather, you’re against organized religion.
So, yeah, I understand your frustrations. Few things piss ME off more than being misquoted. As a mostly observer of this fine discussion I must say that there is a lot of miscommunication here, flowing from both sides. That miscommunication is leading to inflamed emotions. But, that’s TBP!! heh hehe
I hope today all the participants take a deep breath, reflect on what THEY said and wrote, and decide if it was fair or not, — and if not, admit to it. And just maybe, mend fences. It’s just an idea. Don’t shoot the messenger!
Stucky,
There’s a significant amount of people on TBP who are committed to misunderstanding and disagreeing with me. It doesn’t matter if there’s merits to my arguments or not.
I’m used to it by now which is why I don’t comment very often or publish any articles anymore.
It’s an exercise in futility and it’s boring AF.
That’s not true. I enjoy reading your posts. Even when I disagree. Sometimes meaning is lost in text, ESPECIALLY ball-busting!
AOC,
You’re lying. You clearly weren’t reading my comments. Throughout this entire comment section you only cared about one thing; proving me wrong.
Go fuck yourself.
Ahh! What a lady!! Such class!
Really. Here’s AoC and Clammy singing to each other that most lovely Song of Reconciliation, “Go Fuck Yourself”
All good, Stuck. When the tide goes out, it’s easy to see who’s swimming naked. I sincerely wish her the best.
Just not within the same state as me. We have our own problems here and soon enough we’ll have to deal with them. 🙂
I read and reread each and every one, Steph. Sorry you feel that way. Start at the very top. It boiled down to 3 objections on my part:
1. The majority of the Founders were not Deists;
2. Christianity is not the Church and it’s not Organized Religion;
3. Christianity is not anti-woman.
I wish you the best. Seriously.
Lesbian rad fems only know one thing…..hate hate and more hate….they are just soooo tolerant lmao
Doesn’t matter what you believe.
Hell believes in you.
And is waiting for you.
REPENT!!!
Stucky,
You brat, quit tail twisting….REPENT yourself you evil inciter of feminine wrath.
Stephanie’s contention that the Bible relegates women to inferior and secondary roles as compared to men is correct. I also had serious issues with the Biblical edicts that women were to be inferiour to men, subservient to them and, just as it is done in Islam, a woman is first the property of her father and then, later, she becomes the property of her husband.
” Women are to show respect and deference toward men in general and specific obedience and submission toward their father and later their husband. Children are to show respect and deference to adult men and women and they are specifically to obey and honor their father and mother. This is God’s original creation design and order of humanity.”
I will repent. Tomorrow.It’s always …. tomorrow.
I know how you feel about men! You wrote …
“Women scare the crap out of men, they bleed but don’t die, they carry little humans around in their bodies and they make milk to feed those little humans. If it weren’t for sperm production, most women could get along just fine sans men.
The fallacy of the brave hunter feeding the tribe was tossed on its head when it became common knowledge that it was the women foraging and growing plants that actually fed the village while the men sat in the shade watching the women work, talking shit, spitting, scratching their balls and doing other manly stuff.
Men generally sat around and jaw-jacked, sometimes they fondled their spears and other such accoutrements and body parts, occasionally they got into pissing matches with each other, but, for the most part, they sat around. ”
I thought that was funny, and gave you a thumbs up.
Holy shit, did MGM really say that? Now the bigotry makes sense to me. Sheesh.
Bigotry my fat butt. I wrote that with tongue-firmly-in-cheek but based it on reality. There are many tribes in Africa and in the former native American tribes where the women did indeed do all the work and the men either hunted or waged war and when not occupied in those activities they sat around and jaw jacked.
This fucking thread. I can’t even keep it focused on a national strike. Partially my fault.
I’m not arguing with what you just said. But the fact of the matter is that humans are hierarchical by nature. We didn’t need Jordan Peterson to tell us this. One just needs to be an IT Director over a crazily diverse set of highly intelligent people of all walks of life to realize that everything boils down to Roles and Responsibilities. Even the liberal, young Jewish girl on my team eventually understood that. She was by far my brightest employee but it took her a bit more time to break out of the feminism bullshit.
MGM,
Why do you hate nature? Why do you hate men for being men?
GNL: You twit, quit twisting and misrepresenting what I wrote. Nowhere do I say I hate men and how you read that into what I write escapes me. I respect those who earn my respect, I don’t respect because I’m told I ought to. As to nature? Define what you mean by nature.
Fact is, I love men when they are men and not simpering little boys who want to bully.
MGM,
You made fun of men being men. Yes, men have different roles. Is that not apparent to you in how civilization has come to be? Now that women do not NEED men, look at where we are headed….hystrionics.
GNL: If exaggeration and hyperbole were traits that received awards then you and your house would be full of those awards…sheesh. You argue like a….woman.
Steph and MGM,
Serious questions:
1) Do you have any children?
2) If you do not have any children, how many abortions have you had?
3) If you have had an abortion, does the devil live in you?
Serious questions? Asking about abortions and then assuming we’ve had them? Sorry Charlie, you just crossed the Rubicon there. I strongly suggest you go fuck yourself. Henceforth you are dead to me….you sick fuck.
Well, I could have asked about abortions in a different way, for sure. 65,000,000 abortions so far. That is a whole lot of female murderers.
MGM,
You’re saying crazier and crazier things. We had a femail commenter on TBP who slowly lost her mind. I think she is doing much better now. I am so happy for her, she is a very unique and lovely person. I hope you find your inner happiness and avoid going down the path of losing your mind. Cheers.
Damn, you are more passive aggressive than any woman. Did the abortion demon lodge inside you? It sure seems so…and…this is my last response to you, your abortion bullshit was over the top, ugly and vile and venomous. You do beat your wife…
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Did you just denigrate women? Are you a misogynist? You say some of the craziest things.
Mygirl,
Don’t forget about the Madonna/Whore complex in regards to women’s representation within Christianity.
That’s a fairly narrow view, isn’t it? There are lots of examples of women within Christianity that show them in a variety of roles that have nothing to do with either of those- although I understand the simplicity of a polarized view, either this or that, especially when you’re in a debate.
I have a teenage daughter who shares quite a few of your perspectives and we are very close despite having a widely divergent view of how the world operates. I’m grateful to her for having the character to stand up for what she believes in, especially when it’s against someone like myself who is- as I’m sure you can tell- opinionated and for being able to articulate her positions even when the discussion turns heated.
Anyway, always appreciate your perspectives even if I don’t agree and am grateful for your contributions over the years.
HSF,
All you have to do is look at the responses I got from men in the comments. Either I’m an unhappy feminist/lesbian or I’m uninformed, bleeding, or my feelings are hurt.
The reactions alone is EXACTLY why I don’t want anything to do with religion or religious men. The Abrahamic religions heavily favor men and to mention it as a reason for avoiding religion resulted in a wave of insults, massive downvotes, and belittlement.
Clammy, you started the attack out of the gate. I could have done nothing but taken your bullshit throughout the entire thread and you would have found SOMETHING that fit your narrative to shut you down.
Give up the pity party. Not a single person in here has identified a single instance where Jesus was anti-woman. You all conflate the Church with Christianity, as if I think highly of a Marxist alleging he can speak with divine infallibility sitting in a basilica laden with gold.
Christians are not going to save the world, critical thinking people are going to save the world.
Once upon a time, they were one and the same. There are no more critical thinking people in the West because they eliminated Christianity and placed themselves on thrones.
We disagree, RiNS. There’s no way out without Charles Martel at this point, warts and all. Most people are afraid of death, regardless what they claim to believe. True Christians and I’d even argue true Muslims are not.
You guys were fucked good and hard when the Vikings showed up. Martel’s men had to trade Normandy and their women to get Odin’s men to let up.
Too bad the Norse ended up getting bred out or it would be a far different world right now.
I’d be nice if you could see that you are gaslighting everyone here that doesn’t believe as you do. But you are incapable of doing that. And yet you claim to be good at critical thinking!
Whatta marroon!
Cmon Rob, don’t be a hater. The Vikings were great at raping and fishing. Even breeding some chickens. Leaving anything of worth behind? Not so much! They were the Zulu with beards and less sun LOL.
you are nihilism defined
Cmon, don’t get so butt-hurt. It wasn’t me that caused Harald Hardrada to be a big fucking idjut and bite off more than he could chew in England. They were fishermen and good ones. They shoulda stuck with building docks.
Nothing wrong with building good ports. The Zulu jigaboos were good hunters. Never over-diversify… 🙂
Now tell me ’bout those critical thinking Vikings again?
Jesus Christ you are a retard.
You can read that several ways and all of them I can presume will be offensive to you.
I think you snorted way too much lead paint. Why not shack it up with Clammy and ease some of that tension. Dayum son!
Steph,
Seriously, you are a crybaby and focus on a tiny pin drop instead of the big boom headed our way.
WTF does that even mean?
Steph,
Are you asking a man for help in understanding and discernment?
If so, for the record, I think that is a wise thing to do from time to time. Men have great perspective on the big picture. My hope for you is to one day find a good man. I am not fool enough to say that is an easy undertaking. This world is FUBAR in so many ways and AOC is, maybe not ahead of the curve on TBP but, he has shared some very good thoughts here.
GNL: Disagree. Most men are stubborn, don’t listen, and have a “you’re not the boss of me” attitude. Fuck that!
Good luck Steph.
Props to you Steph for putting up with these ingrates. You got my sympathies. Should look into the Norse culture. Aside for their penchant for raping and pillaging they were quite Progressive for their Day.
Oh Yeah!
Odin luvs women!
Skal!
Madonna…Pffft….
Since there is no Sunday Classics today check out this Christian woman tearing it up on Gretsch 6120
Sister Rosetta Tharpe “This little light of mine”
Clammy, again you are not listening to a word I am saying. Christianity is not defined by a bunch of dudes in purple vestments.
I never understood what Christianity was until I left the Church, became an atheist, and realized that Jesus was a libertarian hippie of perfection. Following Him is Christianity. Walking with Him.
Fuck the Church.
Christianity absolutely does not relegate women to inferior roles. Show me one time in His words or in His deeds where Jesus ever did so.
And as for showing deference and respect toward husbands and fathers, how is that in any way anti-woman? Eve completes the circle of God. Without her it is an incomplete image and likeness of God.
There’s a chasm between being anti-woman and modern feminism being unsatisfied with traditional roles.
Maybe you should. It will make you much happier.
Only if you want a greater chance at a joyful, meaningful life (Not easy). That’s all.
It’s really embarrassing when the woman’s the top boss. There can only be one leader. Just don’t marry a stupid, pagan guy for sure.
You may have read the “words” presented in both OT & NT, but you’ve not been awakened to their meaning. If you truly believe that following Christ requires the denigration of women, then you’ve no understanding of God.
You are making incorrect statements. I saw nothing but respect in AoC’s responses to you. If you don’t want to be challenged on incorrect assumptions you are in the wrong place.
Lesbian rad fems cannot be within a whisper of anything outside of 1,000% agreement of their own beliefs or they melt like snowflakes and then turn in jabba the hut with blue hair and spew acid everywhere.
Maybe you should read beyond mainstream western religions into eastern religions. The organizational structure and politics of most western religions would turn most people off. I used to be a devout atheist until I realized that the divine has been described by every culture on earth, and several descriptions deeply connected with me eventually.
Perhaps we should chip in and buy her the Founders Bible with commentary by folks like David Barton and with direct reference to the founders beliefs, with images of the original documents. Additionally, for the skeptical everything is cited to the original documents.
As AoC stated, the Constitution was for a moral society following Judeo/Christian principles. Anything short of that and it cannot stand, as we are seeing unfolding before our eyes.
Nah she just needs a new wider dildo with lots of extra batteries
Nah she just needs a new wider dildo with lots of extra batteries
Ah, so now we get the standard and predictably pathetic sexist attacks. Can’t win an argument on merit so resort to ad hominem attacks. Weak but not surprising. Generally men who resort to puerile and sexist attacks against women have no intelligence and are incapable of cogent thought.
I gave Stephanie a thumbs up for candor. I don’t know about “submissive” per se, but the religious women I know seem happier than the anti-religious ones. Maybe I’m only remembering the happy religious ones, but I think not. That perspective about Paul messing up Christianity seems to come out of Gnosticism, which is like the QAnon of religions. People into Gnosticism remind me of hokey ads touting some secret knowledge that “the (banks, car companies, drug companies, doctors, fill in the blank ___ ) don’t want to you know”.
On the money…
Thank you Stephanie,
They were deists and Freemasons, not Christians.
IMHO, the Church was to the Original Christians (OC’s, the followers of the TEACHINGS of Jesus) as the GOP was to the Tea Party.
The Church was created simply to get the flock back on the reservation of State-sanctioned worship. Rome considered Jesus and HIS teachings so dangerous that they had HIM assassinated and then staged a major PsyOp to bury HIS teaching in 1000’s of years of Old Testament GOV domination.
In my 65 years, I have searched for a church where HIS presence could be truly felt. Still looking.
The ACTIONS of Jesus, (as well as what is still preserved of his actual words) are signs of these truths. Take for example, turning over the tables of the money changers on the steps of the Temple. Sounds like Occupy Wall St to me. Not the kind of thing that GOV wants to see.
Or this verse from the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas:
Jesus said, “The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered, nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so.
As for you, be as wise as dragons and as simple as doves.”
Or this one from the New Testament Luke 17:20 paraphrased again from Thomas:
One day the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the Kingdom of God begin?”
Jesus replied, “The Kingdom of God isn’t ushered in with visible signs. You won’t be able to say, ‘It has begun here in this place or there in that part of the country.’ For the Kingdom of God is within you.”
And this before any authoritarian Church was formed by the GOV.
And finally, Jesus and his followers, both men and women, walked side by side, with equal reverence and strength.
These are good tidings to consider on a Sunday.
Known Associate…
OMG, someone else understands the bible! Finally!
Clammy, plenty of us do. Hence why I called you out on your nonsense about Christianity being anti-woman. Read every word he wrote. Every. Word. I’ll help you:
Dripping with anti-womanhood, wasn’t He?
KA:
Who is this “they” to which you refer? Please list each and every one of your “they”. Name and quick description. Forget the Freemasonry stuff if you don’t mind.
Good post BTW. Pretty sure I agree with everything else you said.
My ancestor Charles Carroll was the only Catholic signer of the Declaration. Not a Deist and not a Mason.
I think it is BS they try to paint Jefferson as a Deist. He signed personal correspondence with “Yours in Christ, Thomas Jefferson.”
Another cousin, Bishop Carroll was a spiritual adviser to George Washington. Makes me think Washington was not a Deist.
I believe the Deist claims have always been made to fit some agenda like the US was never a Christian nation.
Winner winner chicken dinner, HR. I wish people would figure this shit out on their own. I get tired of hearing the Freemasonry trope over and over. Are we talking fraternities or religion here?
“I have yet to meet an atheist who doesn’t fear death.”
Quite the paradox, isn’t it? It’s one of the things that fuels the quest for an increased lifespan associated with transhumanism. A man named Hank Pellissier polled 818 transhumanists and found a minority (23.8% of those polled) weren’t interested in immortality.
You are absolutely correct, AoC! It really started to unravel from 1962 on.
I’m an atheist and I do not fear death, given that I’m deeply convinced by the simple premise of what’s often called “Mind Only” Zen. Nevertheless, I’m inclined to agree with you and the Founders that “that this nation [the USA] would only survive if the majority of its citizenry maintained their Christian moorings”. The hubris found in most philosophical materialists does not make for a healthy society; their opinions are seldom “humble”.
I haven’t been afraid of death since since I took physics in college. Lol. I also believe that reincarnation, an Agile continuous improvement process, could be in play. An Akashic Record of sorts. Just a speculation on my part and I don’t push that thought experiment because in many circles even bringing it up could be viewed as blasphemy.
I don’t limit my views on the world to what a Church dogmatically asserts.
Dogma is limiting, no doubt about that.
Physics! Physics–quantum physics–has tended to reinforce my own beliefs. You might enjoy a book that I re-read now and then: Wholeness and the Implicate Order by the late David Bohm.
If only for informational purposes, you might also enjoy reading about Zen and/or philosophical Taoism.
Woke up and saw this….interesting???..thread.
I’ve often wondered why people use the worldly definition of leader to define what the New Testament is saying about spiritual leadership.
Since women were given the vote, they seemed to have forgotten their place.
MyGirl ??
Stephanie ??
Buehler?Anyone?
Catholic Charities are the primary ones getting paid to work with the illegals crossing our borders. Look it up
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It’d be par for the course. I’d never go back to the Church unless it was torn down brick by brick and rebuilt in Christ’s image.
I never understood the meaning of “Christian” until I left the Catholic Church and became an atheist.
That was a good one. A friend of God once said “Thank God I’m an atheist.” It wasn’t meant as a joke, it just came out that way.
Was going to suggest that instead of kicking the religion can down the road again maybe we can just say instead that a lot of people have lost their values (as if some of them ever had any)? But I won’t.
except liberty is almost uniquely a european male christian thing. stop giving people who want to kill you succor. and fuck your ‘race, sex, creed, religion” hebrew nonsense. it hasn’t worked for the last century and it won’t work now. there is a reason whenever there is free speech (like on gab) it goes right wing. that libertarian bullshit is partially why everything is beyond fucked. it will have no place in the future. support your people. punish your enemies.
It should be apparent to all, by now, that this is the true nature of man. Hence borders, language, race and religion have extreme importance in a well functioning society. Diversity…not so much.
His comment regarding ditching big banks and supporting local neighborhood banks is ignoring the reality of our banking system. It is ALL controlled by the Federal Reserve. NOTHING that goes on in account settlements, credit card payments, loans, or anything else, happens without Federal Reserve approval, or without passing through Federal Reserve-controlled agents. NOTHING. So stuff like Bitcoin or even gold and silver are fine until you need to pay your taxes. Stuff like supporting your local businesses is fine….until their business license is revoked for not demanding face diapers or some other edict. I’m not trying to throw cold water on the truth that an alternative reality needs to begin co-existing, simply because the current one is 100% doomed to fail, and likely sooner than later. But much like the folks who look to nations like the UK, Italy, etc. and see new political parties spring up and flourish like spring weeds, and think the same thing can happen in the US, the truth and facts about ballot access laws, state party operating laws, debate rules (and who controls them) must be understood FIRST before thinking that freedom still exists in this country to change things.
Indeed we MUST step outside of the system, but that will take great creativity. Decentralization will be the ultimate key. In the same way the author criticizes the centralization of the populist organization around Trump as being easily vulnerable, the same problem exists with the way our goods and services come to us. Few make but lots depend on that. Shutting down one non-compliant cog in the machine can hurt everyone who depends on them. At the same time, folks who are big enough to show up on radar, will generally be forced to get business licenses, etc. and comply with the edicts. Meanwhile, the backyard farmer exchanging produce with other neighbors, eggs, seeds, canned goods, etc. in a barter-like fashion, or even for (real) money, will attract little attention. Only through under the radar existence will we be able to create such an alternative that will pass unnoticed by TPTB. Banking and the like is just not going to be part of that process. That is a tragedy too, as the ability to save capital, etc. is the key to societal survival and growth. But one step at a time. The need for the alternative is definitely there, and the best way to stop feeding the beast.
I actually agree with him AND you. You’re looking at the Big Picture, but the Small Picture can create a new Big Picture. Everything you said about the FRS is true. However, let’s say you get your mortgage through a local credit union while also verifying that they won’t resell it to a Big Bank. It’s the tiniest bit of starvation of the system for sure, but it is one less 100 calorie snack you’re providing them. And if you and many others tell the credit union why you came to them for business, and why you don’t want your loan serviced by a Big Bank, you can create a new reality.
You have to start small. Americans just aren’t used to the way the rest of the world has functioned for damn near eternity.
But sadly, all the money comes eventually from the Federal Reserve. Indeed, every step helps. But the importance of the big picture is what helps make sure that the alternative stays workable and doesn’t get either co-opted or destroyed while its trying to serve everyone. Banking to me will be the hardest system to undermine as they are pulling strings on every corner of the globe.
Nothing is stopping American communities from using junk silver as “scrip”. The Romans used prostitution coins instead of imperial currency in brothels. We can do the same thing. In order to know where to go and effect continuous improvement, we’re going to have to sacrifice. No two ways about it.
One thing I’ve learned from that petition is that Americans need to get on IV drips of change. More than 2008, but if they do it today, a lot less than 2028.
Absolutely true. Not that long ago, communities issued “local” script to be used only at local businesses, etc. There is a lot that can happen internally. Its when one must cross that barrier (like federal or state taxes) where the problems can begin. Just important to keep that in mind. I expect my “junk” silver to be the first thing that comes out of hiding for exchange purposes.
You take the Federal Reserve and look down at the commercial banks. I
suggest you take the 12 FR banks and look up at the FR Board of Governors who have regulatory and administrative control of the 12 franchises. The BOG can fire any of the 108 directors of the 12 banks without cause and without recourse. If you analyze the funds from the >$14 trillion from the auctions of Treasury securities [which are controlled by the FRBNY/BOG and not the Treasury Dept; ref 31 CFR 375.3.], you will find the value of deficit spending Treasury securities are listed as “new cash” in TreasuryDirect Institution tabulations. TD will not tell you where that money goes.
If that value went to the government, it would have to buy back the auctioned T securities. That would eliminate any increase in ‘value’ in circulation [inflation] and would eliminate any increase in the National Debt. Obviously, that does not occur. The auctioned value must go to another destination. The only feasible option appears to be [covert] shareholders of a closely held FRBOG, Inc. such as select Primary Dealers—who fabricated the FR on a furtive trip to Jeckyl Island. That is more than $4 billion daily that legally belongs to the government.
I suggest select PDs is more specific than ‘globalist oligarchs’ identified by Andrew.
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Every dollar of deficit spending is a dollar of profit on the ledgers of a Wall Street bank. The money embezzled by the Fed goes to benefit Wall Street’s drive for the NWO.
Federal Reserve for Dummies.
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/the-federal-reserve-a-different-view/;
https://ppjg.me/2019/11/18/the-federal-reserve-a-different-view/ . https://thedailycoin.org/2020/09/17/none-dare-call-it-sedition/
The crash is already happening. We the prepared ones don’t have to do anything but wait. Government is already collapsing in many areas. Many people do not yet realize this: government is shutting down. Oh they say the pandemic is keeping them from operating at full capacity but it is really a lack of funds. The blessing I see in all this pandemic nonsense is that our leaders are incompetent to see the big picture and drank their own BS. This is resulting in everything breaking down as we need to see happen before a new economy can be built by the ones who know how to create productive enterprises.
Most of what we read today is lies. It is subjective. Government lies. Every week nearly a million people are filing for unemployment while the stock market and bit coin increase in value. But production of goods and services is decreasing. The crashing economy is obvious to all who will look.
When the stock markets finally crash it will expose the weakness in the giant corporations.
The people most affected right now by this crash do not yet know what to do. They are waiting for a $1400 stimulus check that may not come. How long will it be before the food banks run out of food? Probably it will happen this summer. Then what? Massive starvation?
The last few days in Texas is a wakeup call to what is coming. People were waiting in long lines at the few super markets open that had food. Why were these people not prepared with a little extra food in their pantries? For the same reason they will not be prepared when the crash accelerates this spring and summer.
The producers are waiting. Waiting for the people to stop believing that the government is going to save them from the reality that nothing is free. Government does not produce anything but fiat money that devalues everyday.
Monopolies with the protection of government control what production is left. These monopolies use law enforcement agents supplied by government to suppress their competition. When government fails due to a lack of revenue from the collapsing economy and their enforcement agents can no longer be sustained then we will see the rise of new enterprises and the decline of the monopolies.
All we have to do is wait. Who is John Galt?
I’m with you but in this case government as opposed to markets can remain irrational longer than many can remain solvent. It isn’t going to collapse without a lot of us helping push it over. The moronic ideologues staffing this shit show will fight like animals to preserve their positions because there are very few jobs in the real world where fools and idiots of zero accomplishment get to tell producers what to do and how.
Concerning Texas, the water problem is that pipes froze and split (they do that when not insulated), nobody had the sense to turn off the water to the buildings even after they thawed, most likely had no backflow preventers, so contaminated water was sucked back through the meters into the system due to lack of pressure.
City governments usually own the water systems for revenue.
Where were they?
Have a female kiddo inside the Arctic freeze area; she has a small biz to attend to and decided to overnight there for the week. She told me she was turning her home furnace down 5 degrees and also turning the house water off and draining the pipes. When she finally went home there was no problem of any kind, even with rolling blackouts. Gave me some warm ‘n fuzzies to learn that some things the Old Goat says get acted on.
If you are prepped then you’re on it. This past week showed me a few Achilles heels that I’m going to figure out how to deal with. First is to grab a cord of wood later in the year, second is to acquire a larger water storage tank and third is to figure out how to keep water from freezing in plastic rain barrels. Any suggestions?
oh, and I think this painting sums things up….
Don’t know where you are and how cold it gets (North Carolina ), but here is a couple of ways to hold water in a barrel and keep from freezing.
Bury the water barrel, take chicken wire and make a cage around it and fill with something like pine-straw (pinestraw is a good insulator), cover with a tarp to keep from getting wet, a little clean pinestraw will not ruin the water. I have two food grade barrels with the sealable tops that are kept rotated through with well water every month or so.
This is what I have over my pump house and never has frozen even down into below zero on the two or three occasions over the past thirty years: professional grade woven nursery matting double layered. Snakes have been known to climb in there judging from the snake skins.
Thank you Mr. Mariner…Great idea except the soil here needs blasting caps to dig holes. I thought about moving blankets covered with tarps, what think you on that? As to snake skins? Cripes. I have killed over fifteen rattlesnakes in less than four years. Don’t want no homes for those beasties. I envy you your well…
I’m also seriously paying attention to this guy. He does it for a lark but I’m thinking greenhouse…
I saw an article once about some folks who completely encased their home in a greenhouse. MASSIVE energy savings. Not as good as building into a mountain and using the earth as an insulator, but a serious upgrade in efficiency.
Mygirl – The video was good. I never thought about using pallet wrap for a greenhouse, but it would do everything I need.
MG, ever see a hog go after a rattlesnake? Pretty impressive as the slithering fellow gets the crap violently shaken out of him. Plus, farm raised hogs produce mighty good pork chops.
I rescued a litter of feral hogs the other day. A boar had found the litter and was killing and eating them. Chased him off and grabbed the four remaining little piglets and carted them off to wildlife rescue. I’ve got the hogs, but…too many gottdam rattlesnakes to suit me. I don’t hate them but I kill each and every one. I’ve had four dogs snakebit and the last one, a beautiful black lab, died. Broke my heart.
What about straw bales? I don’t have this problem yet (will next year), but my issues are a bit different. I plan to get a bunch of rain barrels to use in my hoop house as a passive heat storage. My plan is to paint them black and have them full of water as part of my watering system. My original plan was to have them 1 or 2 high on the north side, although someone suggested I run them down the center of the space instead. The black should store the sun’s heat and radiate it back out at night. The sun is pretty powerful where I am, even when it’s cold outside.
Straw bales might be a cheap way to surround your barrels with insulation. I’ve read about people cementing them and having a permanent structure with amazing insulating properties.
You might also consider some form of mild electric heating element. One winter, I was able to get by with an electric blanket and some wool to keep a water line clear. It didn’t need to be on all the time and it was good enough to keep everything working through the cold winter nights.
I just went through the Texas winter storm misery. What I’m doing is thinking thru how to manage with no electricity and running water and doing it as low tech as possible. My ancestors survived without all the gadgets and technology that tend to fail or cause problems down the road. KISS is my motto at present. My rainbarrels catch water off of a building with a metal rood and the gutters come off the roof where I have the barrels in a narrow alley area. I’m limited for space there.
I ended up with several fifty gallon ice cubes. I like the straw idea but I don’t have the room. That’s why I was looking at that ‘cabin’ made from plastic wrap. I daresay I could also use Tyvek. I need to keep the area relatively clear because of rain water catchment and….rattlesnakes. They like to hide in crevices and cool shady places.
https://hydrogenappliances.com/stocktankheater.html
Someone here probably knows of a better solution, but if you duckduckgo the term “battery powered stock tank heater” you can find items like the one above. It’s a single marine-type battery-powered coil that keeps the water above freezing.
Aha! Battery operated tank heater… Now that is a great idea and I most definitely will be checking into that one.
You can also get small solar panels that will keep the battery charged. Placed just under an eave will keep the snow/weather off and still produce enough current on cloudy days to trickle charge.
Sorry to hear about your misery, nothing worst than an ice storm unless its an ice tornado carring a load of Texas fire ant covered rattle snakes with Beto riding it a hooping and a hollering like a transexual Pecos Bill.
I can suffer through any and all misery and prevail. The Beto is a whole nother beast, it needs to be pulled out at the roots and burned.
Actually I think I saw an ad for that same movie coming soon on the SciFi channel (yeah, the way it SHOULD be abbreviated).
Think you are right, believe cher is going to play O’Rouke.
Styrofoam or the spray on expanding insulation might help and not allow critters to hide in the insulation.
Hi MGM, I’ve been living off grid for the past six years and 100% of the water I use is captured rain water. I store my water in 275 gallon IBC totes. All of my outdoor totes freeze solid, at least for a few weeks, if not a few months every year. My solution is to bring enough water indoors to get me through until things melt. Water conservation is critical.
When I built my house I put an IBC tote into the basement before I put the floor over the basement, because there would be no way to get one down there once the floor was built. If I ever take it out it will have to come out in pieces. I now regret not putting two of them down there, but when I want more storage I’ll get some plastic 55 gallon drums which I can easily take down my stairway.
I’ve been on solar electric power from the beginning, and my experience with it has been mixed. There just isn’t enough sunshine in winter to get much out of it. Batteries go dead and stay dead, which causes them to fail and they are quite expensive. It hasn’t lived up to the hype, but I’ve figured out how to get enough to cover my modest needs. Again conservation is critical.
I’ve learned more about doing things without electricity than how to make and store more electricity, mainly due to lack of a budget. I have no desire to put myself into wage/tax slave bondage just to have the luxury of electric power. The refrigerator/freezer is intermittent and something I can live without if need be. My focus is on powering my laptop and satellite modem which is my connection to the outside world.
Nelson:
Wow, I admire you for what you’re doing. After this little Texas misery I’m looking into longterm water storage too. I’d have to get a backhoe to bury the tanks and that’s not going to happen. It’s remarkable to realize the amount of water that comes off a roof during a rain storm.
Do you have a metal roof? My house has a composition roof so that water is for irrigation only. My personal water comes from another small building that has a metal roof.
I keep hearkening back to my father’s parents, they were Texas sharecroppers who plowed with horses and mules, raised cotton as a cash crop and gardened and raised hogs, cattle and chickens for food. They had no electricity but they did have root cellars, and Granny canned and preserved nearly everything. They also smoked and salted the pork, again with no electicity.
I love my indoor plumbing and electricity but I realized awhile back that things weren’t changing for the better.
I bought a small chest freezer, which, in a pinch, can be used as a refrigerator. I got the idea for that from this guy….
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=west+texas+off+grid+living
Nelson,
That’s amazing. Seriously. Tell us more about yourself on the how’s, why’s, where’s etc.
Straw bales work, then the next year can make a straw bale garden. Have actually done this for a couple of years. Mobile gardens but hay bales have gone out of sight on price.
I was just going on doing something on the cheap as have plenty of pine straw falling out of the trees so it is free and easy to replace.
Another interesting concept is using woven mats for holding heat in hoop houses. The Chinese are masters at this, guess have plenty of labor to pull one on at night and remove the next day. Have seen this used for growing tea in a hoop house. I use this principle with the low tunnels but again use the black woven thick plastic nursery matting. Just happen to have a supply of it and it slides on and off easily and works really well to keep something from freezing.
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/reinventing-the-greenhouse.html
Straw bales are through the roof expensive here. A round bale is over a hundred dollars because of the summer’s drought.
ON IT! Both hands, both feet; in it till the end…!
We’re already on it. The key to success is staying positive regardless of what the situation is politically or culturally. Look at the Amish as a role model. The thrive within a system that they are not a part of.
Amish pay taxes to a system they are not part of?
Amish are not responsible for obeying the laws of a system they are not part of?
Amish have to build according to codes of a system they are not part of?
Amish are protected by police and a military and get surgical procedures from a system that they are not part of?
Do Amish have there own health insurance and hospitals?
Do Amish use public roads?
Do Amish keep informed of current events?
Where does that information come from?
How do they keep track of what they don’t want to be part of?
Why don’t YOU become Amish?
Stay positive!
You can deliberately misunderstand something if you like although it doesn’t seem like a reasonable choice to make.
In the world but not of the world.
Surely you understand that premise.
But you do you.
Actually they do have their own health insurance and contracts with existing hospitals for care. They likely pay WAY LESS than the rest of us do. They do not have to pay into SS (the only private folks who do not). They do pay other taxes I believe. How do they keep informed of current events? By not watching TV, that’s for sure.
My small town has shopping bucks one can only use with merchants in town. One trades FRN at the chamber of commerce and picks up the bucks. This forces one to use local businesses and strengthening the local economy. Our local Ace Hardware was number 10 in the nation for charitable fundraising in2016 per the company annual report (round up to next dollar), not bad for a town of a little over 5000 population. I saw a sign on the store front that they moved up to number two in recent years.
I get it, but remember that dude tried in NC years ago who coined his own silver coins? How is that town legal, but this guy goes to jail? It sounds like the same thing to my non-lawyer’s mind.
https://thewarningsigns.blogspot.com/2011/04/67-year-old-man-arrested-for-minting.html
He coined silver which carries it’s own value no matter what is stamped on it. Paper shopping bucks carry no value. Lots of towns do this to encourage shopping locally.
Let me guess: you don’t live in a Democrat county?
Larimer County is very red per vote record, fort Collins home of csu. We left there for a small conservative town in same county.
Oops, my bad. County turned blue like the state. We moved out of Ft Collins which has gone marxist to conservative town. But our county Sheriff is conservative and that counts a lot.
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/04/larimer-countys-2020-election-results-show-blue-waves-staying-power/6162710002/
Fyi. Bitcoin is just one of many cryptocurrencies., and the source code for it is public.
There is NOTHING stopping a town or any number of people using another cryptocurrency or starting their own. That is one way of excluding the Feral Reserve.
I stopped reading after the “bitcoin is money” part. I dabbled in bitcoin and cryptos long enough to know it’s not money. It’s a derivative of the already centralized fiat money system. Basically, the US dollar is the petro dollar pegged to oil. Bitcoin and other cryptos need electricity so they’re also pegged to oil. They’re not a decentralized currency at all. Additionally, it’s a PAIN IN THE ASS to spend cryptos. You have to go through a third party exchange to convert them to US dollars. The exchanges set their own price and you have to find the best one for the current value (from a broker with a good rep) to cash them out. Then you’re still on the hook to pay taxes on it.
Accumulating moar fiat money with the fiat money I’ve put into BTC and ETH. Also bought some Cardano (created by co-founder of ETH) at .81, now at 1.15.
No issues, as in easy peasy, cashing in x amount of crypto with a bank account linked to my preferred exchange. Are there fees, sure, just convert BTC to ETH to save on the fees.
“..it’s not money.” Can still cash-in the ‘not money’ from my exchange to my bank account turning it into fiat and buy oh, idk…guns, food…so it really isn’t “a PAIN IN THE ASS to spend cryptos”.
“Still on the hook to pay taxes on it”. So? How’s that any different than paying taxes with fiat money on other assets? e.g. property Comes with the package, whether fair or not, it is what it is.
So you’re dabbling in not-not-money by buying silver and gold, right?
I’m not responding to an anonymous comment. Either log in to your account to debate or GTFO.
LOL. You just did. Why’d you bother reading it then?
Oh come on Steph. Don’t be a party pooper.
You may not respond to this but again, you’ll sure as shit read it. Book it, Danno.
You’re the punk ass bitch hiding behind an anon account because you know your argument is fucked. If you had a solid argument you wouldn’t have to log out.
Sorry to slay your golden cow.
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-farms-in-texas-offline-from-winter-storm
Yeah, and Musk just bought 1.5B in BTC. Guess he knows something you don’t.
Mining farms offline. So? Temporary condition. What’s your point?
“Punk ass bitch”? How do you know if I’m a female vs male, hmm…maybe you’re just being coy and you really do know who this is. Does ‘nemesis’ ring a bell?
Nope. Not hiding, too lazy to sign-in.
Did you see BTC’s at over $55,000, up from the 40’s just a few days ago? Bet you wished you hadn’t gotten rid of what BTC you ‘dabbled’ in, right? Don’t feel bad, 8 years ago I had 20 BTC. Wowsie, do I have regrets or what for selling it when it was only at $1000? Only have an isty-teeny bit now, comparatively speaking, but have nothing but gains as of late. BTC isn’t going anywhere as long as electricity is available. Sorry for your losses.
I know exactly who you are and you can fuck off.
LOL! Oh, is somebody triggered? Yet you just can’t stop yourself from responding to my comments? K, I won’t fuck off but I will leave you alone since you’re so upset and can’t handle the heat.
Profits forgone are NOT “losses”. Regrets are unprofitable energy-eaters. The old Wall St maxim “You can never go wrong taking a profit” served me and my clients well, but that was many years ago now.
Gold and Silver are real money because they require no third party promise to pay.
That’s true as long as one finds counterparty acceptance at an agreed-upon price.
“Cut the cable cord. That includes both Fox and CNN. Do not watch it.” Yes, and while you’re at it, just stop watching TV. All of it. BTW, if anyone in this day and age has to be told to stop watching CNN and Fox, there’s probably no hope for them. Watching Fox in order to see Tucker Carlson is like eating a bowl of shit because there’s a spoonful of Ice cream in it.
Good one! But how do we get just the ice cream?
I get it from reading. The one sure way that I know not to get it is from watching TV.
It sounds great and I agree in principle, but if you look at Coke C0mpany’s bottom line, they rake in something like 37 Billion a year and have 86 Billion in assets. I think they’re safe from us. They’ve also diversified into literally every type of beverage and own beverage suppliers in every single market on Earth. If you drink a liquid beverage that came in a container, it probably came from Coke. Even Serbian spring water is owned by Coke.
I don’t think they worry at night about losing us.
And if you do quit drinking Coke, there’s still Topo Chico, Simple Orange Juice, Nestea, Dasani, Minute Maid, etc to worry about. Deygotchabydabawlz. Not that I won’t try to avoid them, but just look at the magnitude of what you’re fighting.
I try real hard to avoid Big Food, but even the smaller brands you might see as alternatives are also owned by them. As soon as someone starts to build a company, i.e. some small all-natural business, they buy them up.
And even when you know a business might be decent, i.e. Chic Fil-A, they get kind of woke, too. Plus Chic Fil-A dumped the spicy breakfast biscuit and I can never forgive them for that.
I’m not quitting, just lamenting how hard it is to not tacitly support the bad guys when they own practically everything.
Strange, I had a comment that appears to have been disappeared.
I just wanted to say with 86 Billion in assets and 37 Billion in revenue, Coke probably won’t notice our absence. Sure, you’ll notice when you try to mix a Rum & Sam’s Cola or if you try to start your day without OJ, but they won’t.
It’s kind of amazing if you look them up as just one example from Big Food.
Coke owns Simply, Topo Chico, Dasani, A&W, Mr. Pibb, Barq’s, Inka Cola, Nestea, and many more. They even have Serbian mineral water, Japanese coffee, Turkish fruit juice, and last year started getting into Russian Kvass. Chances are if you drink a beverage that didn’t come out of your tap, you drank one of their products.
I’m totally on board with denying my money to shitty companies, but damn it’s hard to do. Like to eat and drink? Good luck avoiding them.
What I have a hard time figuring out-but view with fascination-is how in the last 20-30 years several little known companies, many European, buy up dozens of unrelated but well known American brand names. Those companies do not appear to be hedge fund related, nor do they focus on narrow product lines, such as food/drink only. Reckitt Benckiser is one such company (English, privately held IIRC)-they owned Frank’s Red Hot sauce for about 10 years; they also own over a hundred individual brand names with little or no similarity. Look ’em up.
Inka Cola, the national drink of Perú! Aside from its electric antifreeze color, it’s so sweet you want to shave your tongue after drinking it.
I tried it once at a Peruvian chicken place. There are tons of them in Northern VA. It was OK. I tried Mexico’s Sangria and something about that one’s flavor seemed pretty good. I don’t drink soda very often, but I could try that one again.
At one time local school boards had control over local schools. How quaint.
Our school board takes in all or part of 5 counties, has 32,000+students and is faced with continuing suburban sprawl. School tax initiatives never fail, so property taxes frequently increase-for the kids, you know. Hell, I don’t even want to know what they “teach” anymore.
TO Mygirl. Responding here because reading a rather long response in a two inch wide column is ridicules.
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I won’t disagree with you or Stephanie. I won’t agree, either. Ha! It’s a difficult argument. I’d just like to point out two major areas that might help clear things up; — Culture and Jesus.
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CULTURE
Well, the Bible also supports SLAVERY, in both the Old and New Testaments. But, we don’t follow those commands today. Did God make a mistake when he inspired those writers? Or, are people being willfully disobedient by not owning slaves? OR, do we realize that portions of the Bible are based on CULTURAL NORMS OF THE TIME AND NO LONGER APPLICABLE TODAY.
Based on the shouting (sorry about that), I’m going with the last option. We err greatly when we insist that the cultural norms of today be imposed on writings from 2,000 years ago (and vice versa). I can just picture some libtard feminist googling – “Where in the Bible does it say ‘I am woman hear me roar’?”
The Bible was written by men, at a specific time in history, and to people living at that time in history, and all the references it makes of things, laws, people, places, etc, are only to THAT time, or times before … and never to our present time. The conclusion is inescapable: the Bible IS a product of its 2000+ year old culture.
But, it is not MERELY a product of its culture. Asking if the Bible is a product of its culture is like asking if the Bible is meant to be taken literally; the answer is both ‘yes’ and ‘no’. For example, when the bible says that God is love we take that literally. When the Bible says God wants to take us under his wings, we do not believe that God is a chicken.
We are left with a conundrum regarding the questions — “Do I take this or that passage literally … this or that passage culturally”. The answer is “It all depends.” (I will compose a solution to this conundrum in a separate post, in a few minutes.)
Now, a good many Christians absolutely hate that answer. They’ll accuse you of all kinds of things; being intellectually lazy, compromising, engaging in relativism, not “rightly dividing” the Word, and more … and eventually a heretic (!!!) who will burn in hell. Everything to such people is Black & White, with nary a shade of gray to be seen.
I do my best to avoid such people. But, from time to time, I do enjoy getting involved in shitfests with them.
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JESUS
Again, I hearken back to culture. Compared to other cultures OF THE TIME, Jewish women enjoyed great liberty and esteem. And Jesus took it even further. Jesus’ attitude toward women was radically different from what was customary even in his own time.
— It was almost exclusively women who bankrolled Jesus and the disciples.
— Jesus allowed women to travel with Him and His twelve disciple, even though the norm was for women to stay home and attend to domestic duties
— It was scandalous for a man to speak to a woman in public, especially a Samaritan woman. But Jesus had a long conversation with a Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well that led to her conversion
— The Jews brought to Jesus a woman “caught in the act of adultery”, and they wanted to bash her head in with rocks. But, Jesus loved her, and prevented it. Then the Pharisees condemned Jesus for having dinner with a hated prostitute. But, Jesus loved her, let her wet his feet with her tears and wipe them with her hair, and then he forgave her.
— Women were generally not educated, allowed any active role in the affairs of religion, especially not becoming a disciple. But Martha’s sister, Mary, sat at Jesus’ feet in the role of a disciple while Jesus taught her.
— It is frequently pointed out that Jesus appointed only men as His twelve apostles. But, there is a good argument to be made that the “disciple whom Jesus loved” was actually a woman.
— Acts chapter one lists the male disciples and also “along with Mary the mother of Jesus, several other women,”. Some scholars say as many as half of Jesus’ subsequent disciples (after the twelve) were women.
— Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, Salome, Joanna, Lydia, Susanna, Priscilla and other women were prominent among Jesus’ devoted followers.
— All the male disciples fled in terror at the crucifixion. But not two women!
— And it was Mary Magdalene and other women who were privileged to be the first to discover that Jesus had risen from the dead.
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So, when someone says that Christianity treats women as second class citizens, they certainly aren’t talking about Jesus.
They are talking about the bastardization of Jesus’ message by organized religion … which is why you’ll never see me sitting in a pew on Sunday morning.
And if Stephanie and Mygirl don’t want anything to do with churchy religion either, I can hardly blame them. I would only ask that they consider not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Jesus and the church ===> not the same thing.
Jesus teachings about women’s role in spirituality are more in line with the Gnostics and heretics. Sophia was the personification of wisdom and was considered to be a feminine attribute. The Hagia Sophia is one of the oldest and most revered churches in Christianity.
Otherwise known as Christianity. You’re welcome.
I specifically made that distinction in my earliest comment. Your reading comprehension sucks.
And I responded to all of it. You chose to ignore my clarifications and questions.
Your perceptions suck. And…
Don’t be such a butt-hurt Iravani.
Or a liar.
DON’T GROUP ME IN WITH THAT FUBAR PROPAGANDIST!!!
She’s a zombified Rockefeller Foundation sycophant!!!
The Oil and Vinegar Foreign Policy of the U.S. and The Rockefeller Foundation – Andrea Iravani
The Oil and Vinegar Foreign Policy of the U.S. and The Rockefeller Foundation
You’re in a special category all your own, Andrea. Mea culpa.
But you’re right. She’s delusional, you’re just a troll.
Iravani,
The norms around here are not rocket science. You’re back to your old tricks of 1) not responding to the comments staying on topic and 2) links links links.
I specifically made that distinction in the same comment as above. So, again… your reading comprehension sucks. If you’re not going to bother to properly read my comments I’m not going to bother writing out important clarifications that are either going to go over your head or that you’re going to intentionally ignore.
I didn’t fail to communicate, you failed to properly read. Don’t blame me for your inability to understand the English language.
Clammorrhoid: Did you say this or not?
Please dumb it down so that I can comprehend it. You’re clearly smarter than me.
READ THE FIRST COMMENT!
Seriously, learn to fucking read.
I specifically made the distinctions between Jesus teaching, Christianity, and the church/religion from the beginning. You didn’t bother to read my comment as written so I stopped caring about making the distinction in later comments because your reading comprehension SUCKS BIG ASS DONKEY BALLS.
So which of your myriad statements do you stand behind? You have no problems with Christianity, or you DO have problems with Christianity (anti-women)?
Maybe consult with all those Deist Founders you believe exist?
READ THE ENTIRE FIRST COMMENT! AGAIN, JUST FUCKING READ IT!
I’m no longer responding to any of your comments. You can’t read and I can’t be bothered with holding your hand to walk you through it.
LOL it’s OK, Clammy. Word of advice: If you want to stay single the rest of your life, continue to take no responsibility when you’re obviously wrong. It does wonders for living alone.
Your inability to read is not my problem.
But you said you had no problems with Christianity, right? And then you said you did. Which is it? Do you care to amend one of the two statements?
AOC… Stephanie is just acting out her anger that all the men in her life have been too weak to tap into her primal need to submit to one. It’s an understandable neurosis and by far one of the most common afflictions of modern women (paired equally with the affliction of men terrified and cowering before women… just exacerbating the problem).
I think the problem is/was that men stopped reading after this from 1 Peter:3
If they kept on reading they would have seen this
From Ephesians 5
Similarly, they stopped reading after they saw this
So they completely missed or ignored this
Eve was warned in Genesis 3 that her desire would be contrary toward her husband but he would rule over her. That was not meant as a good thing, rather that sin would get in the way of their relationship and all marriage relationships thereafter.
People read the Bible and never understand the underlying meanings. They cherry pick scripture to fit their own beliefs or whatever narrative they want to push. It’s probably the most misunderstood book in the world
So, I take it you don’t feel like a second class citizen? lol
You are spot on …. Selected Reading, aka picking & choosing, is one of the most common and egregious mistakes people make when it comes to reading the Bible.
Libtards do it when they praise Joe and the Ho … and pretty much everything else. Trumpeteers do it when they fawn over him. Hey, once you find something, anything, that supports your point of view, why bother reading any further? Why risk having to change your opinion? lol
I don’t feel like a second class citizen, but then, I’m an iconoclast when it comes to organized religion and I never acquiesced to any attempts to limit me due to my sex.
Please remember that it was August 26, 1920 when women were finally given the right to vote. Also remember that in the 50’s women were not allowed to have their own bank accounts, that the husband controlled all the money in a marriage, by law. It wasn’t until the 70’s that women were allowed into Ivy League colleges or to run in the Boston marathon.
https://pulptastic.com/youre-a-woman-youre-not-allowed/#:~:text=Before%20the%20Equal%20Credit%20Opportunity%20Act%20of%201974,or%20a%20male%20relative.%20%232.%20Serve%20jury%20duty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgNqiPAVVIY
If you watch it, you will not only see naked women violating the “no nips” rule, you will learn a lot about the sort of oppression we might expect in the months ahead.
Spouse grew up in that world. The stories and experiences they had are fascinating. My grandfather-in-law used to pray the US would nuke them, just to kill the communists. He built the only working radio in the town so he could listen to Voice of America, which he had to keep fiddling with the knob to receive, due to the jamming. Grandfather-in-law learned how to do everything for himself. He made his own wool sweaters. He built a machine to make his own chainlink fence (still standing). They raised chickens and had a huge garden. They grew a ton of food.
One thing Spouse laments is how much better and safer the food was under communism. No fake ingredients, no chemicals, no dyes. You could save a lot of money buying plain ingredients and cooking your own food compared to the US, where plain food comes at premium prices and junk food is cheaper. Spouse said you only saw oranges once a year around Christmas. Toys were few and far between, but made to last. Spouse has a musical toy that still works. If you wanted a Barbie or a coke, you had to go to a hard currency store. Now that America is embracing communism, Spouse jokes how we get none of the advantages, like better safety, a stronger sense of community, cleaner food, etc. We watched the Chernobyl series together and they recognized the cheap clothes and bad wallpaper and household items.
I don’t think I would have had a very good life under communism. I’m not much of a joiner.
Comrade “Hey, you wanna go to the 2 Minutes Hate?”
Me “Nah, I think I’ll sleep in.”
Comrade “Ohhhhh kay. I might see you again. Maybe…”
What was really eye-opening to me in this documentary segment (it is the 2nd of three I watched) was how joyless they all seemed to be. Even the young people naked on the beaches and dancing to the Party-approved dance music seemed hopeless and sad.
And the discussion about forced pregnancy tests on young girls and women shocked me: I’d never realized they literally paid young women to have state-funded children.
Just like we do now.
I don’t know if it’s all of them, but the Russians I’ve met, for instance, are sort of cold and brusque in public, but absolutely awesome in private. They have a certain fatalism that’s strange to Americans. I’ll never forget relaxing in a dark stone guard shack with some Ukrainian guards, drinking a beer and smoking a cigar and saying, “Life is good…” and one Ukrainian guard saying, “Life is shit.” Russians can turn a few beers, some fish, and a guitar into a pretty good party in no time.
Spouse points out how strange it was to come to America and see everyone smiling and asking you how you’re doing, but soon realized they don’t expect an honest response.
When people ask me how I am, I usually tell them I’m tired and the nervous laughs are always kind of funny.
They had awesome private parties. Spouse always said a guest in the home is God in the home and the way I’ve been treated over there has always been awesome. The food never stops coming when I visit my in-laws. Breakfast can blend into an early lunch into a late lunch and into an early dinner before you know it. Hobbits don’t eat so well.
We maintain that standard in my house. When folks come over to visit, they’re surprised at the snacks and tea and cookies and whatnot. We had some folks over for an evening visit and they were surprised at the giant samovar boiling away on the table.
I don’t think their culture would be what it is if they hadn’t been conquered by the communists. I think it imbued a lot of people with a sense of survival and the ability to make do with what was available. A lot of people learned how to resist in small ways. Mocking communism and its stupid results was popular as the system aged. Their jokes were hilarious and still ring true today.
A Comrade goes to Lenin’s Tomb and asks the guard to speak with Lenin.
You can’t speak with Lenin, he’s dead!
OK, says the Comrade, and he leaves.
The next day, he returns to see Lenin and the guard tells him he’s dead.
The next day, he returns again and asks to see Lenin. The guard gets angry and asks why he keeps having to tell the Comrade Lenin is dead.
“I just like hearing you say it,” says the Comrade.
They made a lot of hilarious movies and TV shows and books mocking the system. I have one called Moscow 2042 about a Russian who visits the USSR far in the future via a time traveling Lufthansa flight. When he arrives, the Soviets have abandoned Communism in One Country for Communism in One City and surrounded Moscow with layers of barbed wire to protect Communism from the outside world. Primary Matter (food) is issued via ration card. To get a stamp for Primary Matter, you have to surrender Secondary Matter (shit) to the state and get your ration card stamped in the toilet, too. The author explains the fundamental goal of communism is to blur the line between Primary Matter and Secondary Matter. It is a great book, even now.
East block humor is pretty sardonic, but I laughed.
That’s a seal of approval when you get a ha from a pro. Like praise from Caesar.
Cornell, an Ivy school, was co-ed well before the ’70s. It may have been the first co-ed university, but of that I’m not sure. It was in the late ’60s-early 70s when they changed the Home Economics college’s name to “Human Ecology”. Sheesh!
Stuck, you blew my mind up there. I would be very interested in reading more of what you have to say about Christianity. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I will never sit in a pew again, unless ALL of Western organized religion is torn asunder and remolded according to Christ.
I BECAME an atheist BECAUSE of the Church. And I BECAME a Christian after having opened up my heart and mind to what Jesus said and did, and not what any other asshole interpreted it as.
Thank you, sir!
I’ve written a few articles about it. If click on the magnifying glass and type “Christianity” you will find the following titles;
— “Christianity Will Destroy America”
— “How Christianity Allowed Tyranny In America … And How Christians Can Restore Liberty”
— “Why Islam Lops Off Heads, Christianity Doesn’t, and Trump Is Right”
There’s even a QOTD: — “Stucky Sunday QOTD: Witches. Trump. Christianity.”
That’s on the first page. Further in you’ll find
— “Am I A Dog That You Should Come To Me With Sticks?” …. which is about David and Goliath
— “TOWER OF BABEL: fact or fiction?”
and more …. ALL of which will lead you to perdition, according to GCP, mark, and a host of others. Really
Very nice. Should be interesting reading.
Not as a very flawed follower of Jesus. Nor does my husband make me feel like that in our marriage.
I still see men treat women that way in relationships, married or not. However, I see the opposite as well. Either way, it makes me cringe. Once Adam and Eve screwed everything up for us it was all over but the crying.
Men definitely only read the passages they agree with or benefits them. They even screw up Genesis by attributing all sin to Eve in the first place. Yes, Eve was deceived by the serpent into sinning but they ignore the part where Adam knowingly REBELS against God and then blames Eve for his rebellion.
The sin of lying (the first sin) heavily influenced the early stories in the Bible but it’s always men doing the lying which leads people further into sin. Abraham lies to the pharaoh about Sarah being his wife. Jacob lies to his father to receive his brother’s blessing, Laben deceived Jacob for free labor, Joseph’s brothers lie about his whereabouts. On and on and on…
But, you do exactly the same thing.
You read the passage about about “submission” … declare that it’s all bullshit …. but, (apparently) don’t read what comes right after it. See Mary Christine’s post @ 9:56.
You do the same thing you decry, but don’t see it … and that’s what frustrates many about you.
Nope. I only gave one example I disagree with. There’s a lot more.
THANK YOU, Mary Christine!
So, what do we do with difficult topics such as abortion, homosexuality, eating unclean meat … or, the role of women (both in the home and in church leadership)?
—1) Do not jump to conclusions!!
—2) Realize this; “ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable ..” — This must mean that even when a text is non-literal or culturally bound that there is some TIMELESS truth involved that is not bound by any culture, in any time. Your job? Find it!
—3) Do the research. Determine the surrounding context. Read different translations (to make sure it is not the word choice of a certain translator that is confusing us.) Decide if the text reflects a cultural value of that time (old wineskin) or reflects Kingdom values that are eternal (new wineskin). Accept the fact that there are things in the Bible that are best “Left Behind” as well as things that we should always “Take With Us”.
[SIDE NOTE: Yeah, all this is HARD WORK. Well, at a minimum, it can be time consuming. And very very few will do it. That’s why we have preachers. Really. Let THEM do the hard work … that’s why we pay them. We would rather be Sheep … sitting all fat and happy in the pews, letting someone else do the heavy lifting, doing the thinking for us.
Then during the week the sheep morph into Parrots. They might run into a strong woman who says she’s unhappy that the Bible regards her as a second class citizen — and the Parrot responds as parrots do, parroting what the preacher perched high on his dais said on Sunday — “Woman are to submit to men and shut up in church!!”. And this person gloats in their knowledge. But, James says such wisdom does not come from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. END SIDE NOTE]
—4) Have the Wisdom to realize that even with all your hard work that you could be wrong! Have the wisdom to understand that a person doing the same exact hard work as you can come up with different conclusions. Stop thinking you are infallible, the final arbiter of truth.
And just when you think you’re The Smartest Person In The Room, you might consider what God thinks about your smartness; “I will destroy the wisdom of all who claim to be wise. I will confuse those who think they know so much.” God could be talking about …. you!
Have the grace and humbleness of heart to say, “Hey, you know what? I think you could be right, also.”
Lastly, when all else fails, just tell your adversary to go suck Diseased Donkey Dick, and call it a day. You won!
Stuck, can I ask you an honest question? Do you believe that Jesus could have been married to Mary Magdalene? Doesn’t it follow logically that He would have done so?
Also, what do you think about some of the Apocrypha and “non-canon”? Couldn’t some of them have been politically (and erroneously) dismissed by Constantine and his Deep State?
When entering the realm of speculation, many things are possible. So, yes, he could have been married. I see no theological reasons why Jesus could not be married.
However, my gut feel is that he was not married. This is based on 1) who was at the crucifixion,,and 2) who was not at the crucifixion;
— Mary Magdalene was at the cross (along with Jesus’ mother and John). Jesus commended his mother to John. But, not MM. If MM was his wife (as many suppose) then why didn’t Jesus also commend his wife to John? This is a serious omission. As a widow, she would have needed to be provided for, and Jesus would have done so.
— If MM was not his wife, then it was another woman. But, besides his mother and MM, there were no other women at the cross. It seems highly unlikely that his own wife wouldn’t be there at his death.
——- (And where was this other woman during Jesus’ ministry? Not even one hint of Jesus being married is given by the four canonical gospels. In and of itself, that’s not proof of anything. But, it is suspicious.)
Interesting, thanks.
Do you consider yourself a Christian? Don’t answer if you wanna keep playing Devil’s Advocate. I do the same thing just to kind of formulate my views.
What do you think about reincarnation?
You’re probably not gonna like my answer. You probably think I’m giving a chicken shit answer … or being a weasel, weaseling out of an easy question. Hardcore believers will suggest my answer is proof that I’m going to hell. So here it is …
… I don’t know, not my call.
You’re probably wondering if I’m smoking dope. Ok, here’s why I feel that way;
1). First of all, if my name is written in the Book of Life, I’m in. I don’t have access to that book.
2). When we’re standing before God, I do NOT think the conversation will go something like this:
God: “So, Stucky. Are you a Christian?
Me: “Yes, I believe I am!”
God: “OK, c’mon in and join the party!”
What I believe is pretty much irrelevant. James says “Even demons believe this, [that there is only one God] and it makes them shake with fear.” Something much more than mere belief will be required.
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3). I’m reasonably sure the conversation will go more like this:
God: Hey, Stucky, when I was hungry, you didn’t feed me.
Me: What?
God: And when I was thirsty, you didn’t give me a drink.
Me: C’mon!
God: When I was a stranger, you didn’t invite me into your home
Me: Get outta here!
God: When I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing.
Me: Huh??
God: When I was sick and in prison, you didn’t even visit me.
Me: Ok, now that’s ridicules!
Me: When did I ever see YOU hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison??
God: ‘I’ll tell you the truth, Stucky. When you refused to help those in need, the least of these my brothers and sisters, … that is when you refused to help me.”
Me: Oh. Crap. Now what??
God: “Away with you, you cursed one, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.”
You think I’m kidding? You’ll find that my fictional account is based on what Jesus had to say about The Day of Judgment . You’ll find it in Matthew 25:31-46
Some people need that positive feel good assurance of being SAVED! It brings them Great Comfort. And I often wonder if they ever think about the folks in Laodicea, who also thought they were saved, but Jesus said to them — ” …. because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth!”
Yikes!! Like I said, not my call.
My own Great Comfort comes from my rock-solid unshakeable conviction about the infallible nature of God, that …. God will make the right call regarding my soul and spirit! It’s His call, not mine.
If He considers me one of His own …. HALLELUJAH!!! If I’m not, I hope I’m man enough to not bitch and moan and cry about whatever comes next … and that I stand like a man, and accept responsibility, and not blame God.
That’s where I stand on the subject … something I’ve never shared before … but, you are a special friend, and I enjoyed answering you.
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Reincarnation? I don’t buy into it.
Thanks! But if the First Law of Thermodynamics is true, Stuck, what exactly do you think happens to us? We just float around out there for eternity? Don’t you think God has to have a recycling bin? LOL
Hmmmm …. does God just “float around” also in eternity?
I would like to think we have a far more meaningful and exciting future than just floating around. I’m pretty sure you believe that also …. I know you were just being funny.
I might do an article about reincarnation in the future. Thanks for the idea.
The biggest problem is people in the west do not know the thinking of those in the middle east regions customs and often apply western custom to the Bible and miss whats being stated. This whole men/women argument is a good example of that and what ‘organized’ religion does to pervert the scriptures.
I fully agree with your answer here too. The other thing about Christ not being married is he attended a marriage, as recorded, which is understood as the sign of approval and affirmation to Genesis.. Marriages were a big deal, lasting days. Christ being an important figure and getting married would have been a very big deal and the scriptures silence lends credence to him not being married.
“How we got the Bible” is a a whole ‘nuther rabbit hole. I’d rather not get into it here. But, very briefly …
Let’s just look at Revelation. It made it into the final cannon literally at the last minute … iirc, by one measly vote. Yea, it was humans voting that determined what books you are allowed to read as authentic scripture. Ain’t that something?
The Apocalypse of Peter was actually far more popular in the early church. BUT … Peter had Jesus saving everyone after an indeterminate stay in hell. Peter giving infidels eventual salvation was not the policy the church leaders wanted. They preferred that infidels burn for all eternity. So, that’s what we’re stuck with … officially, anyways.
Most hard core Christians say the Apocrypha has NO VALUE whatsoever. This is, imho, bullshit. At a minimum they have actual and real historical value. When people write down what they, and their group, believe … well that is history. Duh! I love Apocryphal books!
Indeed. Don’t you think it’s weird that 2 Peter was included, but some of the Apocryphal books weren’t?
Stucky,
Perhaps the smartest thing is to know oneself and have confidence in oneself, and that only comes after living for awhile. Follow the gut, it knows. I personally could care less about philosophical or religious conundrums, it matters not one whit in the overall scheme of things to parse biblical scripture to the 9th degree. Much that is written in the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is ghastly to the extreme. Brutal and horrible and cruel.
I discard that which I find silly, sexist, superstitious or specious. Should we all follow Leviticus to the letter? Should we own slaves? Should we sacrifice/murder our firstborn because of a promise made to God as Jephtath did? Shall we burn witches or heretics at the stake or would torturing them nearly to death suffice? Shall we stone the adulterers to death?
Do you look at a woman and have lust for her? You have committed the sin of adultery. Do you masterbate? You have committed Onan’s sin. Have you been divorced? If so then you are an unmitigated and wicked sinner, an adulterer. The lists are long and grievous.
Do we toss the baby out with the bathwater which seems to be happening more and more of late? No, we need morals and a code to live by otherwise we become the children in Lord of the Flies, bloodthirsty little monsters.
Humanity most closely resembles chimpanzees of the Pan Troglodyte species if left to its own devices. If you examine the majority of the world’s religions you will discover the overarching common thread that attempts to ‘civilize’ humanity to keep it from tearing itself apart.
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Can’t believe this is still ongoing. Usually something else shiny has come along to run towards.
My .02’s worth. Women are not inferior to men. We are equal. I could give the scriptures but they have been posted for the most part. Each has their role in a relationship and each has their hardwired characteristics. Women operate on the emotional and men are just plain dumb hammers. BOTH are needed by the other and compliment each other.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
In heaven there is no male/female either as Christ is the head. Here the men have the last say and will bear and answer for that responsibility. Its a principle thats foundational, not cultural. Respect is required in a relationship otherwise it will fall apart with each wanting to be the dominant overlord. The man is required to love his wife and a man who does not listen and consider his wifes opinions etc, is a fool.
just an aside, the slavery was cultural but is was a way of repaying your debts. A person could sell themselves to a debt holder to pay his debts off. The ‘owner’ then had to keep and maintain the ‘slaves’ health and feed them. Once paid off the slave could remain in service if he chose to or he could leave. So there is more to the slavery thing than whats on the surface.
People believe that the Bible condones slavery and equate it with modern slavery. However the Bible makes a distinction between slavery as they practiced it back then and what they called “manstealing” or kidnapping which is modern slavery.
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1Timothy:
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https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=683
Well, this thread went sideways!
AOC – welcome to the world of Clammy.
Lots of peace and harmony here to build an economy.
Haha. Where fore art thou Odin? Odin wasn’t much into peace and harmony was he? I’ll have to research.
He’ll be building the next Gab I’m sure.
Very interesting. “Lord of Frenzy”. Is that the same as being a Berserker?
Odin is still there Glock… still here!
It is gonna be fucken hilarious watching you mucking out Valhalla for an eternity whilst I am puking on da floor, cavorting with the whores that you deplore, toasting Odin as the best, drinking beer to excess, while you are left the clean up da mess.
Can’t wait!
Skal!
Come on Steph…
Come our way.
We’ll have a party
that will last for all days!
I’m a Norseman also RiNS. I believe we are the best the world ever had to offer. Too bad there’s no fight left?
Pro Tip: stay away from Steph, she doesn’t trust anyone. You know what they say about those who don’t trust anyone? Hmm, maybe she’d make a good wench.
Steph is a fine, fine Lass. I never had a problem with her and don’t have a problem with what she said here. This thread in its entirety has been an enterprise in gaslighting.
And she is not the one that started it.
If Torba wants to be at the forefront of building a new economy he’d best leave the praise the Lord part of, and pass the ammo, at home. Otherwise he’ll be fighting with far moar people than he needs to. Sadly it seems too many are on board here with what he says. The guy running Gab is a gas lighter just like Gates and Fauci, Zuckerberg and Dorsey. We need better than that.
This thread proves it.
RiNS, I love ya man, either way you cut it. Seriously.
HOWEVER – I can’t speak for Torba, but I’m not gaslighting. I’m just unwilling to compromise my principles anymore. I have no personal problems with folks who practice Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, or even Atheism. To each their own and I am a firm believer in freedom of religion.
I am also a firm believer in freedom of association. When SHTF I have my own set of 3×5 index cards on which I judge. Same as you I’m sure. And I’m not willing to make the same mistakes we did over the last 100+ years. I have watched my country stripped down by Atheists and while I can’t control that, I CAN control my local community.
So to those other communities, I’d say I wish you the best of luck, no sarcasm. I imagine the Founders and Framers felt the same way in general. “Go worship Wicker Men, etc., but stay the fuck out of Mount Vernon.”
I’m ready for Balkanization and maybe my philosophy will succeed and maybe it won’t. But like many here split according to race, sex, etc., I split according to the very fundamental, foundational belief system of a person and a culture.
I’m not saying YOU do, but many on the right (a lot of libertarians) seem to have this expectation that I should accept everyone, but it always seems to be “accepting everyone according to THEIR preset narrative”. Seems very lefty to me. And I’m tired of it.
Perhaps Torba is, too? Perhaps Torba is providing a platform for everyone to speak, including himself? I’m not on it, I don’t know. But I don’t *think* he’s censoring anyone. If that’s true, then let the Atheists jump back on Faceplant or start their own platform? Just a thought.
Just my $.02.
Equating Atheism with Cultural Marxism is a logical fallacy.
And if your entire premise is that it’s a big tent but only the chosen ones are in it then you are gaslighting.
Just my $.02.
WTF…I don’t define the Big Tent and neither does anyone else on here. Torba built the platform and as far as I know, he doesn’t censor. He can do and say whatever the fuck he wants and for those who don’t like it (so long as he’s not censoring), they can build one of their own. It IS doable.
Atheism always and everywhere leads to evil. Cultural Marxism, Communism, Modern Day Westerners, whatever. Even Constantine, who conveniently only “converted” at the last minute but had no problems with the butchery beforehand. If one honestly believes that Good and Evil are subjective – and one has to, if one doesn’t believe in a lawgiver – then when they gain power they redefine it to be whatever the fuck they want.
I’m not interested in gaslighting anyone. I just have zero fucks to give with what happens to those who don’t share the most fundamental of my beliefs. Especially when they shit on them and LIE about them. And considering I have the gold, I make the rules in my local paradigm.
Just like you do, I’d imagine. Or do you have no problems with a vocal Muzzie living next door to you when SHTF? I would.
Yes you did…
You sez
Those are your words not mine.
You first deny then prove my point…
hilarious!
RiNS, you and I are pissants in a global game of chess. We have no control of anything outside our local communities. And even that is suspect if, say, we live in a big city. If I have what people need, I CHOOSE who I provide it to. That is my right as a producer. It just seems like you righties are as bad as the lefties sometimes. I worked my arse off to get where I am and I’m supposed to provide it to whomever you all think is worthy? Nope. This is a fucking war we’re in and I don’t feed cultural enemies. It’s my right to voluntarily associate with a brown Christian over a white Atheist.
But if you think my little town and country road is a Big Tent, then touche. You win.
Let’s agree to disagree. I learn from you and you clearly don’t from me. All good. I’m moving on.
Good luck.
Okay now I’m confused.
You first say you have agency and now you say you have none. Speak for yourself. I have taken up being a stoic and so far it’s working well.
And maybe the reason I’m having a hard time learning from you is that I’m finding your twisted logic one tuff pretzel to chew on.
Study more then. When I say there is an objective reality hence an objective truth, that extends from Aurelius. When I say that Christianity is not anti-woman, or that most of the founders weren’t Deists, it extends from those principles. Debating something true does no good with those who have no fucking clue that their perceptions don’t extend from objective reality.
Here it is: I provide my community with X. I worked my arse off to acquire X. As an individual, I choose to voluntarily associate with citizen Y if said citizen believes in Z.
THAT is the power of persuasion. THAT is why it matters where you live and what your belief system is. I don’t want to associate with Atheists when SHTF and since I have the gold, I make the rules. They’ve fucked the West entirely up and I can’t take chances with them. Peacefully, I shun them. This is a war and tribalism is everything.
I wish the Atheists the best though. Seriously. They’re gonna need it because religion and language is damn near everything in grid down.
When in a hole the first thing you should do is stop digging
Just another $.02.
that makes four or maybe it’s five in your world. I can’t really tell anymoar!
annnnnnnnnnnnd your welcome!
LOL. Good luck, RiNS. You’re gonna need it. I figured it was a waste of time but I had to try.
You are the one getting downvotes. Methinks you might be the one needing luck.
Hahahahaha you crack me up. Downvotes! Those downvotes from Clammy and my clinger don’t feed me when SHTF. They don’t protect it. They don’t power it or irrigate it. Lolllll and it certainly won’t change my view on feeding Atheists.
It’s a Brave New World, son. And if you haven’t already solidified all of the above, you b fooked. Takes years that we don’t have anymore….ooooops!!!
Remember this: You will need producers more than they need you. Most of them are gonna be Christian. And being a prick to me for no good reason ain’t gonna change that.
There you go gaslighting again…
Amazing!
No RiNS. 🙂 I wish you nothing but the best. When I said you’re gonna need it, I meant it sincerely. If you aren’t living where you need to be, surrounded by people who offer value for value, who speak your language and worship as you do, you’re fucking screwed. The time for that was about 10 years ago unless you have access to capital.
The paradox of Christianity today is that for it to survive, we need to separate the wheat from the chaff.
AoC has 84 down votes.
Stephanie has 243.
Pffft fuck downvotes. Llpoh has more clingers than anyone and he is one of the smartest effers on here. But thanks, Stuckmeister.
I like RiNS alot. I thoroughly enjoy his posts. He’s just full of horse shit as usual.
Around here that’s a compliment.
So thanks!
I mean it. You’re smart and you challenge me. But you’re still a prick that I love. I think you should be posting more DIY shit for non-carpenters like me.
And I wish Steph would make nice nice with me! Honest Clammy, can’t we all just get along???
Ribbit
Not wanting to point this out seeing you you got moar bases cover than me but if you a trying to get a wahmen to you, it’s not great form to call her Clammy.
Just another $.02.
that makes six or ten or …. I don’t know, get a hold of Stuck he’s keepin’ score.
I am happily married, RiNS. Definitely my better half. If she read even 1/10 the shit I wrote on here…
It may be more fun to have another serial downvoter anyways. Gotta have goals.
I’ll buy you a drink for the amount I owe…
Not everyone is cut out for front of house.
Some of these guys are better off on the loading dock.
Llpoh, I’m well aware of the Clammy Show. I just never thought I’d get consumed by it.
I knew that cross-dressing shit was as useless as he acted. Fucken Tooty Fruity Rudy was gold brickin.
how come I can’t see da image.
Can Christ see da image.. It’d be fuck yeah just ask AOC!
RiNS, the Vikings lost the election to the French. But now we need to unify.
Icelandic chickens still kick ass. Lemme know if you want me to ship some up to yas. I can keep them purebred or signify the French victory by letting Moe mount one of the Icelandic pullets. Whichever way works for you.
The only election occurred in your mind when your brain checked out.
Your intellect knows no bounds, Harald. Stick with sawing doors and huffing butane.
same as above…
After reading this thread, I would like to go back to an old harp of mine. Stop labeling everything.
Stop labeling yourself, liberal/conservative, REP/DEM…..Christian/Nihilist/Whatever. If we ever stop labeling ourselves, it would be extremely hard for TPTB to divide and conquer. As organized religion is a construct to control, it is better to avoid that BS also. If you want to worship Jeebus/God…just do it for FREE and without all the trappings.
I stay free from labels as much as possible, try it. Non-affiliation is good for what ails ya.
Is that you Yoji? Labels hold us back as humans. We would be far freer beings without all this tish-tosh of categories and groupings under the labels of said groups. Politics would be interesting without labels..No?
I sure the majority making comments got some fresh air today.