How are forced vaccinations different from the mark of the beast?

They aren’t!

Chuck Baldwin cites The Burning Platform from the pulpit last Sunday.

The sermon is worth your time.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/u6lHhr5WSypB/

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Quiet Mike
Quiet Mike
August 27, 2021 6:44 pm

This has been my primary motivation in refusing the vax.
I am and always have been a Christian Soldier.
I’m just waiting for The Lord to cut my orders.

mark
mark
  Quiet Mike
August 27, 2021 7:29 pm

Mike,

My orders are to fight;
Then if I bleed, or fail,
Or strongly win what matters it?
God only doth prevail.
The servant craveth naught
Except to serve with might.
Iwas not told to win or lose;-
My ordersare to fight.

One of the greatest poems ever written.

Ethelwyn Wetherald BiographyAgnes Ethelwyn Wetherald was a Canadian poet.

She was born at Rockwood, Ontario, the daughter of Rev. William Wetherald, a Quaker minister. She was educated at the Friends’ Boarding School in Union, New York, and at Pickering College. She sold her first poem to St. Nicholas Magazine at 17, and soon was contributing to many publications throughout Canada and the United States, including The Globe, The Week, and Rose-Belford’s Canadian Magazine. She co-wrote a novel, An Algonquin Maiden (1887), with Graeme Mercer Adam, and in 1895 published her first volume of poetry.

She worked for several decades as a proofreader, journalist, and editorial assistant at newspapers in Ontario and the north-eastern United States. For a time she ‘conducted the Women’s Department’ of the under the pseudonym “Bel Thistlethwait.” She adopted a child, Dorothy, in 1911 when she was 54, and in 1921 published a book of children’s verse, Tree-Top Mornings, dedicated to Dorothy.

Reviewing her 1907 book, The Last Robin, The Globe pronounced: “The salient quality of Miss Wetherald’s work is its freshness of feeling, a perennial freshness, renewable as spring. This has a setting of harmonious form, for the poet’s ear is delicately attuned to the value of words, both as to the sound and the meaning…. The sonnets are an important part of the volume, and, to some minds, will represent the most important part. Miss Wetherald’s sonnets are flowing in expression and harmonious in thought; some are beautiful.”

The Dictionary of Literary Biography calls the best of her poems “musical, restrained, and precise,” and “equal to much of the work of her better-known Canadian contemporaries such as Archibald Lampman, Bliss Carman, and Duncan Campbell Scott.” On occasion, it adds, “her themes and images recall the poetry of Emily Dickinson.”

Quiet Mike
Quiet Mike
  mark
August 27, 2021 8:16 pm

If I recall correctly, you and I are both Old Corps (60s-early 70s). I’ve always liked this poem by Thomas Babington Macaulay.

“Then outspake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the gate:
To every man upon this Earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods”.

mark
mark
  Quiet Mike
August 27, 2021 9:37 pm

You bet…PI 68…Nam 69…0331

Eternal father grant we pray
To all Marines both night and day
The courage honor strength and skill
Their land to serve thy lawful will
Be thou the shield forever more
From every peril to the Corps

Caleb is my role model.

I still go out and come back in…G.I.G.!

Quiet Mike
Quiet Mike
  mark
August 27, 2021 10:13 pm

PI Platoon 2068, Grad date 12/05/69, MOS 0311, VN ’70-’71, Hotel 2/5, An Hoa.
Get Some!
I’m good to go Mark. Got my preauth for burial in NatCem.
I am ready Freddy! :>)

mark
mark
  Quiet Mike
August 27, 2021 11:07 pm

Get some!

Cuz it don’t mean noth’in…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Quiet Mike
August 28, 2021 2:10 am

You guys need to understand and remember and tell everyone you know that the military – all branches – is being turned into the storm troops of the Left. The vaccine mandate itself is being used to purge the military of the “far right”, meaning anyone who disagrees with the anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-traditionalist, pro-gay, pro-trans ideology of the Left. Don’t let your remembrances leave you with the mistaken view that the new US military is anything other than the enemy. They’re setting their sights on Americans now.

mark
mark
  Iska Waran
August 28, 2021 11:10 am

Iska…I really like you…I doubt I have ever disagreed with you…but please don’t lecture me on the obvious…that is also contrary to everything I have ever posted for six years.

I know your heart is in the right place…but my body of posts (and Mikes) more than speak for themselves on where we stand.

I have posted WAR IS A RACKET with a direct link to the Greatest Marine who ever lived…and his exposure of the banksters using the American military as their enforcers at least five times (I discovered it in in 1993 at 43 the year of my awakening – the year I became a Born Again Christian). I have posted many anti-war poems (one Admin put up as a standalone thread), the names of The Committee of 300 recently for the fourth time…I can go on and on and on about my realistic views on what TLPTB (L=Luciferians) running this country (and the American Miltarty) have done…and are doing.

Mike and I are the same age and shared the same experiences 50 years ago…yes that service is tied into the same demonic cabal of international Banksters who started their American coup in 1913…and I have posted about that and them AdNauseam.

As far as your blanket statement about the US Military as we as a nation wrestle with this tactic the Luciferian Globalists are using called a ‘Communist Color Revolution,’ if you think every single member of the military has suddenly been transformed into the enemy…you are dead wrong. I don’t know how many will flip away from the Woke bull shit when Civil War 2 starts…and it is coming…but be careful in blanket branding them all the enemy…that is a huge mistake.

Mike and I have a bond…we understand one another…when Sherman said War is hell…he was grossly understating the human horror. We were both 18, 19, 20, 21 and we put our lives on the line for what we thought was holding back Communism from taking over the world. That was the basic Con then.

Flea posted eloquently on why young men enlist and fight…however that was many decades before the internet and before Mike and I (and Flea) and many here found the truth.

War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a booklet, by retired US Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley Darlington Butler. In these works, Butler frankly discusses from his experience as a career military officer how business interests commercially benefit from warfare. After his retirement from the Marine Corps, Gen. Butler made a nationwide tour in the early 1930s giving his speech, “War Is a Racket.” The speech was so well received that he wrote a longer version that was published in 1935.

anon I
anon I
  mark
August 28, 2021 12:17 pm

“We were typical of the other vets I knew who are gone or are so far into the psychiatric machine they will likely never resurface. We all fell off a Norman Rockwell calendar and into a bankers’ war. It never occurred to us that the government would lie to start a war. Why should we? Our parents would think God lied before they would believe the government would lie. Presidents and Congressman lied sometimes, but not the U.S. government.

We left thinking we were heroes. Our moms gushed with pride at us in our uniforms, the girls went ga ga, we were part of something we could believe in, we marched to John Philip Sousa in boot camp, life was good. ”

My War, by Fleabaggs

Can’t hurt to repost it because 56 years later we are still believing the government.

How are the pictures in My War different from today in Syria or Kennsington Ave. Philadelphia.
Watch 2 minutes of this and tell me the Anti-Christ isn’t alive and well in this world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y&ab_channel=kimgary

mark
mark
  anon I
August 28, 2021 2:24 pm

anon I,

One of my nicknames growing up was Jack Armstrong.
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falconflight
falconflight
  anon I
August 28, 2021 11:40 pm

Nothing new, and those anti-christs had names and nationalities.

The Scourge and Profit of Opium

The opium that the British sold in China was made from the sap of poppy plants, and had been used for medicinal and sometimes recreational purposes in China and other parts of Eurasia for centuries. After the British colonized large parts of India in the 17th century, the British East India Company, which was created to take advantage of trade with East Asia and India, invested heavily in growing and processing opium, especially in the eastern Indian province of Bengal. In fact, the British developed a profitable monopoly over the cultivation of opium that would be shipped to and sold in China.

By the early 19th century, more and more Chinese were smoking British opium as a recreational drug. But for many, what started as recreation soon became a punishing addiction: many people who stopped ingesting opium suffered chills, nausea, and cramps, and sometimes died from withdrawal. Once addicted, people would often do almost anything to continue to get access to the drug. The Chinese government recognized that opium was becoming a serious social problem and, in the year 1800, it banned both the production and the importation of opium. In 1813, it went a step further by outlawing the smoking of opium and imposing a punishment of beating offenders 100 times.

In response, the British East India Company hired private British and American traders to transport the drug to China. Chinese smugglers bought the opium from British and American ships anchored off the Guangzhou coast and distributed it within China through a network of Chinese middlemen. By 1830, there were more than 100 Chinese smugglers’ boats working the opium trade.

This reached a crisis point when, in 1834, the British East India Company lost its monopoly over British opium. To compete for customers, dealers lowered their selling price, which made it easier for more people in China to buy opium, thus spreading further use and addition.

In less than 30 years—from 1810 to 1838—opium imports to China increased from 4,500 chests (the large containers used to ship the drug) to 40,000. As Chinese consumed more and more imported opium, the outflow of silver to pay for it increased, from about two million ounces in the early 1820s to over nine million ounces a decade later. In 1831, the Chinese emperor, already angry that opium traders were breaking local laws and increasing addiction and smuggling, discovered that members of his army and government (and even students) were engaged in smoking opium.

By 1836, the Chinese government began to get more serious about enforcing the 1813 ban. It closed opium dens and executed Chinese dealers. But the problem only grew worse. The emperor called for a debate among Chinese officials on how best to deal with the crisis. Opinion were polarized into two sides.

https://asiapacificcurriculum.ca/learning-module/opium-wars-china

Anonymous
Anonymous
  falconflight
August 29, 2021 2:06 am

That was the Jewish Sassoon family, and you undoubtedly know it.

A Tale of Two Opioid Epidemics

https://healthmasters.com/profit-addiction-tried-strategy

Brewer55
Brewer55
  mark
August 28, 2021 8:00 am

I wonder who the asshat is that is giving you a thumbs down on all your posts?

GNL
GNL
  mark
August 27, 2021 11:13 pm

Mark,

I want to die on the same hill you do during the same battle.

Quiet Mike
Quiet Mike
  GNL
August 27, 2021 11:39 pm

Whoops. My mistake. That was for Mark.

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 27, 2021 7:10 pm

The passport is the mark. Whether it’s digital or paper or something else. They don’t really care if you’re vaccinated. If they thought the disease was real and deadly, they’d be happy to leave you vulnerable to it. They care that you’re tied to their system, their empire.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Anonymous
August 28, 2021 8:12 am

Yep.

mark
mark
August 27, 2021 7:22 pm

I have posted this fearless Pastor on TBP and have followed him for three maybe four years…check out his library…
https://libertyfellowshipmt.com/Store.aspx#!/Featured-Products/c/15986016/offset=18

In two powerful interconnected Christian (Tribulation Timing & Christian Prep) vids here are two well produced vids that justify my belief in not only the Pre-Wrath Snatch (at the beginning of the 6th Seal) and my prep for the coming famine.

Luke the Drifter
Luke the Drifter
August 27, 2021 8:10 pm

More fuel for the fire, Covid 19 added up by its Roman and Arabic numerals C 100 o0 v5 i1 d500 gives 606 1 plus 9 equals 10 which gives you 616. The number of the beast in revelations that you will know by the number of his name in some old manuscripts was 616 not 666 although both numbers are about equal as to their antiquity.

Arthur Sido
Arthur Sido
August 27, 2021 8:58 pm

The obvious difference is that vaccine mandates are real and not based on tortured exegesis of a fever dream by prophecy hustlers.

mark
mark
  Arthur Sido
August 27, 2021 9:42 pm

Proverbs 9:12
If you are wise, you are wise for yourself,
And if you scoff, you alone will bear it.

Brewer55
Brewer55
  mark
August 28, 2021 8:02 am

I may have figured out your detractor!

mark
mark
  Brewer55
August 28, 2021 11:12 am

Brewer55,

Yea..I have an idea as well…not that it matters.

But…I think its this guy on the left…
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bug
bug
  Arthur Sido
August 27, 2021 10:47 pm

Yes, that is true.

But if you need a vaccine passport on your smart phone to buy, sell, or have a job, that is kinda new, and would have been called a fever dream if you’d been prophesying this back in December of 2019 . Where do most people use their smart phones? Mostly, in their right hand, or held to the side of the head. Could a first century Catholic see a vision and interpret the smart phone as a Mark?

I dunno…?

But it sure seems like the possibility of not being able to buy or sell without ‘something’, across the entire world, is getting pretty real for the first time in history.

The FACT that something like this was written down about 2000 years ago is just a coincidence, I’m sure…

GNL
GNL
  bug
August 27, 2021 11:23 pm

bug,

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone agrees with me…the cellphone is the MOTB.

What is the Mark of the Beast? How will they subdue us?

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  bug
August 28, 2021 1:11 am

You understand that if you make ‘a prediction’ and wait some 2,000 years, you can claim a fit here and there. It’s not really remarkable.

Ginger
Ginger
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 6:10 am

But one does need to even scrutinize the fact that this “prediction” which is really a revelation is a gift from the Creator Himself.
This was written not even in a book but a scroll, paper had not even been invented yet by the Chinese. These people that this was written to did not know the Chinese even existed.
But here it is for us, and if one does not thank God for it that person is blind to what is going on.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ginger
August 28, 2021 9:32 am

The chinese, and paper, have what to do with this? Scrolls were paper, btw, and paper was around, in Egypt and the near east, more than 1000 years before Christ.

Ken31
Ken31
  Ginger
August 28, 2021 11:40 am

That was hotly contested even when they originally put it in there. I am not saying you are wrong, but you haven’t made your case. Scrolls are not exactly lost technology. You can still make them.

I have read it. If prophesy is its purpose, it seems to be a secondary one.

I don’t think “The Fourth Turning” is prophecy either, but there is something to it.

mark
mark
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 11:35 am

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PROPHECIES THAT HAVE COME TRUE
This section is 8 pages long. Below you’ll find the prophecies listed and the pages they appear on. Each page has a direct link.

https://bibleprophecies.net/true.php

ADDITIONAL PROPHECIES

https://bibleprophecies.net/jesus.php

https://bibleprophecies.net/yet.php

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  mark
August 29, 2021 3:21 am

mornin’mark…..

The ‘ways’ of the USG has bothered me for a loooong time, and on one day in Sept. 01, I became convinced of a darker agenda. Now, twenty years on, I am blind to any explanation that is attempted without Biblical foundation.

There’s another headline on this page right now “where’s the common sense?” I asked the search engine that question not too many years after 911, and came up with that Dave Hodges commonsense show…..he covers some of that ‘cray cray’…..

It’s hit and miss on my ability to comment, and after I made the reply to you I closed out and just listened to a couple of utube tunes; then this little video just popped up on the side column-a clip of a preacher (I think his name is Kent Hovind) that I randomly came across a good number of years back. He says it the best I’ve heard…..

as God ‘sits outside of time’

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <——====Uncle Sam, the snake:

Amaruca-Land of the Plumed Serpent

The evidence that Horn (I post much of his stuff from skywatch tv) has laid out concerning the ancient pagan prophecy on the national motto is like finger prints at a crime scene, IMHO

mark
mark
  'Reality' Doug
August 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Ok,

Maybe those links were overwhelming to mockers, scoffers, and shamers…

No disputes???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0

How about just these basic 10 fulfilled prophecies???

When I actually studied the ancient ‘prophecies’ with a clear and open mind, I could reach only one conclusion…God predicted these events because: ‘He is outside of time’.

The Bible and its writers were truly inspired by the Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It is impossible for all of the ancient prophecies to date, that have been fulfilled, to all have come to pass as they have unless the Bible is indeed the inspired word of the Triune God.

Just read Isiah 53 (that the fake Jews won’t) and compare it to the secular historical crucifixion and or read ‘The Case for Christ’…if you are a ‘wounded non-believing secular intellectually puffed up detached detective’.

Once upon a time I was one.

God will slice into you with His two edged sword deep down into your bone marrow if you got the uncommon common sense to actually read this book:

So here are just 10 basic, simple, easily investigated indisputable fulfilled Bible prophecies:

1) That Israel would be reborn as a nation: The Bible Prophesied that Israel was to be re-gathered to her own land. (Isaiah 12: 11-12) This came to pass after almost 1,900 years in 1948 when the nation of Israel was reborn. No other nation on earth has ever been reborn, with the same name, race of people, language and or culture, except Israel. (Yea, yea, yea I know all about the phony ‘Jew’ Rothschild’s Banksters…what they meant/mean for their evil that God will eventually use for His good).

2) That Jerusalem would be destroyed: Jesus prophesied in Mathew 23: 37-39 that Jerusalem would be destroyed because the Jews had rejected him as their Messiah. This happened in AD 70 when the Romans totally destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

3) Jerusalem – a Burdensome Stone: Thousands of years ago, we learn in the Bible that Jerusalem would become a “burdensome stone to all the nations”. Today, not a day passes by that we do not hear of turmoil in the Middle East usually surrounding Jerusalem (Zechariah 12: 2-3). Obviously the three major religions, and all of Israeli neighbors want control of the Holy city at any cost, and the scriptures are clear that this tiny parcel of land will lead to the final battle of Armageddon.

4) Land for Peace: In Daniel 11:39, the bible prophesied the land for peace issue surrounding Israel, of which several of these peace accords have transpired in our very generation.

5) Knowledge would grow exponentially at the time of the end: In Daniel 12: 4 the prophet Daniel prophesied that in the last days knowledge would increase exponentially. With the advent of the Internet, search engines, and smart phones information is rampant, anyone (even mockers, scoffers and shamers) can learn anything instantly in direct fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy over 2,500 years ago.

6) That in the last day’s technology would allow control of all the world’s population:
Hmmm…now that sounds familiar. With the advanced technology of computers, the internet, and microchips, Luciferin controlled governments will soon track every human being on earth. This will allow an end time dictator (THE STRONG MAN SO MANY YEARN FOR) to be able to track and persecute anyone unwilling to accept a mark on their hands or Forehead (or maybe holding in their hands as the profit Donkey has been say’in???) – Thus making the “Mark of the beast” prophesied in Revelation 13: 16-17 a modern day reality.

7) In the last days there will be an increase and intensity of earthquakes. Jesus prophesied that in the last days there would be an increase in the intensity of Earthquakes (Mathew 24: 7). We are now averaging over 600 major earthquakes (over 6.5 in the Richter scale) per decade – a much higher rate than at any other time in history. Big time birth pangs! This is undeniable. Just another puzzle piece fitting into the mosaic.

8) As in the days of Noah: The Bible teaches in Genesis 6:11 that as in the days of Noah, the last days will be full of violence. Violent crimes have increased over 500% in the USA since 1960…you an’t seen noth’in yet on that one.

9) Lovers of self: In II Timothy 3: 2 Paul prophesied that in the last days men will become lovers of their own selves. Today, society is driven by several doctrines of self-love such as the “human potential movement”, and false doctrines that we are gods. The norm today in public schools is to teach the youth that self-love and self-esteem as the cornerstone to success. No mention of God, the bible, humility or love towards others.
Bibles and even the name of Jesus is shunned upon and not allowed in public schools. That’s why I make Bibles (cases of paperback ones) part of my prep.

10) Persecution of Christians worldwide: Jesus prophesied in Mathew 24: 9 that in the last days Christians would be hated. Hmmm…Today persecution of Christians has escalated in diverse parts of the world; not just in the Middle East it is here in the West/America, and you an’t seen noth’in yet.

anon I
anon I
  mark
August 28, 2021 11:01 pm

I guess I’m you only fan tonight with my up vote. You’re spreading the message instead of the mess but the mess is more popular.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon I
August 28, 2021 11:24 pm

I guess you’re a putz and a sissy with a decidedly faux religiosity ;0

mark
mark
  Anonymous
August 29, 2021 9:24 am

Ahhh…a drive by No Name shamer…such a gutless little shamer spitting insults out a passing post with no license plate.

Too twisted up inside to take on a real debate…just another lost blather mouth.

Hey No Name Shamer ..your arms are to short to box with God…but I’ll get in the ring.

“Shame is a foe that we must be on guard against as well. He is one we are likely to meet on our own pilgrimage. He is the college professor who ridicules belief in God. She is the coworker who sees no need for God. He is the skeptic who has found reason to dismiss the claims of the Bible. He is the poster on TBP who hides with No Name. We see Shame in the media as the Christian faith is portrayed as backward, irrational, and discriminatory. We hear his voice getting louder in our culture as Christianity is seen more and more to be out of step with shifting social standards.

We must meet Shame with courage and steadfastness. Like Paul, we must “not be ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation” (Romans 1:16). Jesus said:

For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels (Mark 8:38).

We must take God at His Word, count all things loss, and pray for divine help to stand firm in our faith”.

Sooner or later we all meet Shame…on our pilgrim…

http://kenpulsmusic.com/pilgrimsprogress63.html

mark
mark
  mark
August 29, 2021 11:16 pm

Hmmm…crickets from No Name shamer…just as I thought…

anon I
anon I
  mark
August 29, 2021 11:48 pm

That’s flightless pigeon or falcon to hear him tell it. One of Alinsky’s disciples. All mouth and no ass.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  mark
August 29, 2021 2:27 am

mark said…

“When I actually studied the ancient ‘prophecies’ with a clear and open mind, I could reach only one conclusion…God predicted these events because: ‘He is outside of time’.

The Bible and its writers were truly inspired by the Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”

AMEN.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—-===

The Secret Destiny of America……..to incarnate the son of perdition….to once again comingle with gods-as it was in the days of Noah !

BEHOLD THE DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION OF ANTICHRIST?!

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 27, 2021 10:36 pm

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Just listen to your glorious overlords, you filthy goyem.

Ken31
Ken31
  Anonymous
August 27, 2021 11:45 pm

Is this what they call pilpul? I lose track of their slimy tactics, but this is low effort.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Anonymous
August 28, 2021 2:15 am

Judge James A Shapiro in Cook County, IL just stripped a woman of her parental rights solely because she hasn’t gotten vaccinated for Covid. Her ex husband hadn’t even brought up the issue. Synagogue of satan.

Ken31
Ken31
  Iska Waran
August 28, 2021 12:46 pm

Easy to do when there are no men to defend families, because of feminism.

Doctor de Vaca
Doctor de Vaca
  Iska Waran
August 28, 2021 7:26 pm

I saw this elsewhere and it made me seethe. If that was me and that was my child I’d be put in the position of nothing left to lose. That judges life would be very short and end in the most brutal manner.

Karen
Karen
August 27, 2021 11:06 pm

I think it’s too early to tell what exactly the mark will be, especially because of the quantum-dot invisible tattoo technology. It wouldn’t take long to manufacture millions of little patches.

This is the sad part and i agree with him here – The professing Church is so far off in their beliefs that they can’t tell who their spiritual enemy is. So if you think that the Israeli state is the fulfillment of God’s promise to return His Chosen back to the land, you are grossly deceived.

Quiet Mike
Quiet Mike
August 27, 2021 11:34 pm

I’d point out that Macron, the President of France, cohabitates with and has sex with a woman who is old enough to be his mother. This is an aberrant psychological preference and is at the very least, ABNORMAL..

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Quiet Mike
August 28, 2021 2:18 am

A childless ruler, Macron. Just like Theresa May, Angela Merkel, Kamala Harris.

THE
THE
  Iska Waran
August 28, 2021 4:53 am

are not the cunts Johnson Trump Biden, Trudeau, multiple fathers???

Undisclosed
Undisclosed
August 28, 2021 1:42 am

The reference to TBP is around the 5 minute mark.

On another note, doesn’t the mark of the beast in Revelation 13 require the worshiping of the beast first? Unless the mark in the forehead signifies belief and with the right hand representing work, or action. Could these in conjunction be construed as the manifestation of faith/worship?

Literal or figurative? Real, imagined, or misconstrued? These are the questions

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Undisclosed
August 28, 2021 9:42 am

doesn’t the mark of the beast in Revelation 13 require the worshiping of the beast first?

What is the beast?
There’s a reason the beast of Revelation parallels the four beasts described in Daniel. The fourth being an amalgamation of the first three. The beasts of Daniel are great empires (Babylonian, Greek, etc). The Beast of Revelation, too, is an empire … a system. No need for some “swearing in” or official oath of fealty, acceptance of and participation in the empire/system will do.
The mark is spiritual. It is that acceptance and participation. That it may or may not also be a literal/physical mark is, to me anyway, irrelevant. However, it can be known by indirect evidence … that is, its effect in the real world. That effect is that no man may buy or sell without it.

Undisclosed
Undisclosed
  Anonymous
August 28, 2021 12:24 pm

Although I respect the intent of the sermon, I believe it is in error.

The gist of Rev 13 implies that people choose outright. Regarding the vaccinations, most all of who have taken it have been deceived – therefore deprived of choice. If their intent was good – to protect their fellow citizens, why would God banish them to eternal punishment for that?

Therefore, I don’t believe the vaccinations are the “mark”, per se. They are likely the means to get to the mark, though; if/when that were to come to pass.

Also, according to the interpretation of the original language, the second beast is a “man”. The word used is “anqrwpoj” which is a masculine noun, not a system. The word for “mark” is “caragma” or a “scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude)”. So, not tiny unseen mRNA in the blood. Also even the word “forehead” is directly interpreted as the area between the eyes.

Of course, I could be wrong as well?

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 28, 2021 5:19 am

Just one time I’d like to hear these guys say “Well, this is MY OPINION” I’ve heard what he said during this service, taught all sorts of ways and each one of them is so darn-sure they are the one with the right answer. What do the sheep in the pews do? Confusion. Uncertainty. Damage (which these guys will have to answer for at Judgement) I just have lost all respect for these guys over the last 50 years of listening to their preaching. A little honesty does not seem too much to ask for. Especially when it comes to Bible Prophecy. A little humility would be nice, too. Too bad.

Karen
Karen
  Anonymous
August 28, 2021 9:39 am

Yes, indeed. A lttle humility.

Brewer55
Brewer55
  Anonymous
August 28, 2021 12:17 pm

I used to follow Chuck Baldwin. However, he was a bit over the top for me with some of his statements. But, when I was following him and thinking of moving to the American Redoubt, and potentially to that area of the flat head valley in Montana, a few of the people in his Facebook following came across as sounding cult like. Honestly, between those posts and a few traded emails, I got the creeps. My spidey-sense was up and I discontinued any further communication. I dropped out of the group of sycophants and stopped listening to him. He is right, most of the time but, he needs a big slice of humble pie to go with his hubris.

mark
mark
  Brewer55
August 28, 2021 1:21 pm

No Name, Karen, Brewer55,

I agree with you on all those sentiments.

I will pull the bit and pieces from Baldwin that fit into ‘my’ Christian World View and how I digest and understand scripture…always praying for discernment…and place whatever he says (or any man) that fits into my individual Believer puzzle.

My knowledge is always growing and expanding as I plumb the depths of the Bible.

I do like much of what he says…but I follow no individual spiritually as well as culturally, politically or economically for that matter.

I will stay in my small group Bible study of God’s word and also get all the fellowship I need there, from like minder Believers who I can trust. We all take turns voicing our thoughts and opinions and it is more of a Home Church then the social club I find most of the 501c3 churches.

Plus, I will never belong to or join a specific denomination.

This is interesting:
Do Churches Need 501(c)(3) Status?
https://chalcedon.edu/resources/articles/do-churches-need-501c3-status

Not Sure
Not Sure
August 28, 2021 6:31 am

Lots of confusion I had concerning the jab, it seems to relate to end times, but the mark only gets rejected after to man of lawlessness is revealed.

I got help by realizing that before the antichrist is revealed, there will be a system of lies that will precede his unveiling and that is where we are today. Even II Thessalonians chapter 2 speaks of God giving them over to this delusion that they will be judged along with the rest of the enemies of God. Truly, the amount of lies being propagated to get everyone to get the jab is unheard of. It is something I am waking up to, but the world is being trained into accepting; and with each submission to the lie, the world is being prepared to receive the ultimate lie; the antichrist himself.

Ginger
Ginger
  Not Sure
August 28, 2021 6:55 am

Well said.
Posters on this site even clamor for a “strong man”.

Guest
Guest
August 28, 2021 9:05 am

Actually he says the passes, or passports, are the mark I believe.

This whole scenario is definitely end times stuff and any pastor who doesn’t see this is deceived. We’re always told to be watching.
I’m beginning to think history (even though much is fake, but that’s the point too) is just the same thing happening over and over, getting worse and worse (many Antichrists will come). Also that God resets after each ‘episode’ before it reaches endpoint. So far.

Everything seems to be in place for this to be the start of the real thing. We shall see. However I have mentioned that the genetic tampering (much more than this injection) is the real end times sign.
I do agree that preachers should not be so sure of their statements, but the deception is deep.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve
August 28, 2021 10:21 am

I believe Bill Gates is the False Prophet and he has been relatively quiet lately.

Monger
Monger
August 28, 2021 10:33 am

You can see the warm up pitches for the mark
https://www.businessinsider.com/man-got-tattoo-of-covid-19-vaccine-pass-that-works-2021-8

Andrea Colonnetta may never again have to worry about remembering his green pass, the proof-of-vaccination card required in Italy to enter most indoor venues.

A 22-year-old Italian man got the QR code proving his vaccination status tattooed to his arm.
In TikTok videos, the tattoo works to allow him to sit inside at McDonald’s.
Italy is one of several countries requiring passes for entry into some indoor venues.

Brewer55
Brewer55
  Monger
August 28, 2021 2:16 pm

Imagine getting the jab and a tattoo so you can eat fake food at McDonald’s. What a gavone!

Das Arschloch
Das Arschloch
August 28, 2021 10:53 am

In a few weeks we have progressed from “this is crazy talk” to “there is no conclusive evidence”. That is a remarkable progression. Even assuming that biblical prophesy is all BS and the whole revelation story is a fairy tale, the conclusion based on the known facts will not change. There is a world system that is evil and works against the most basic interests of men (health & survival). It is trying to enslave people, coerce them to do things against their will and it covers up its evil deeds with an endless series of lies. The system is based on hate of everything that is good, healthy and beautiful. Such a system will ultimately selfdestruct, because it destroys the foundation on which it stands. Believe what you wish, but act according to what you know.

Brewer55
Brewer55
  Das Arschloch
August 28, 2021 12:18 pm

Yes, all very true. Self destruction is in its future but, how far off is that future and how many will suffer and die before it implodes?

CCRider
CCRider
August 28, 2021 1:56 pm

I left religion long ago but if this pastor was within driving distance I’d go to his church.

mark
mark
  CCRider
August 28, 2021 2:29 pm

CC,

I left religion in 72…came to Christ in 93…

CCRider
CCRider
  mark
August 28, 2021 4:08 pm

I’m glad you found peace, mark

mark
mark
  CCRider
August 28, 2021 4:21 pm

Thank you buddy…had a violent turbulent start…looks like the ending is going to be violent as well, but you called it…I am at peace…and still full of piss and vinegar.

gre81
gre81
October 10, 2021 9:16 am

He nails it. I just recently found his ministry. I enjoy listening to him