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Form-Oil Sprayer Prototype

And now for something completely different.

Guest post by Robert Gore at Straight Line Logic

Is it still possible for a business to make money the old-fashioned way, by offering superior products at competitive prices? On my day job, I’m the CEO of fouRy, Inc., or 4Ry. Our company has turned the quantum discoveries of Dr. Arnold Kelly into spraying technologies that not only improve the efficiency and economics of a variety of spray applications, but also reduce environmental and health risks.

Dr. Arnold Kelly

The StartEngine online equity crowdfunding platform allows individuals an opportunity to invest in 4Ry and Dr. Kelly’s revolutionary technologies (startengine.com/4ry-sprays). Dr. Kelly received his Ph.D. from Cal Tech and was a full professor at Princeton’s Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering. He has devoted much of his career to developing Charge Injected Precision Spraying™, or ChIPS™. His patented technology injects negative electric charge into a fluid before it leaves the nozzle, the Spray Triode Atomizer™. The like-charged droplets repel each other, so the spray provides its own propulsion. No mechanical assistance or external air pressure is necessary.

ChIPS has a low power requirement but puts out a high-powered spray. The charged droplets seek the grounded target, much the same way lightning seeks the earth, the ultimate ground. The spray quickly coats the entire target, including irregular surfaces. ChIPS minimizes aerosol drift and over-spray, which economizes on the fluid used. It also reduces worker safety risks and soil and groundwater contamination. ChIPS offers clear-cut economic and environmental benefits in a variety of spraying applications.

Charging fluid droplets opens up other doors. Independent third-party testing has established that charge-injected distilled water droplets from 4Ry’s prototype sprayer will kill bacteria. Imagine turning distilled water into a disinfectant. Further work is necessary to determine the full range of charged water applications and its lethality to other microorganisms such as viruses and spores, but we are excited by the possibilities.

4Ry Distilled Water Sprayer Prototype

4Ry has operated on a financial shoestring for the last six years as we moved Dr. Kelly’s technologies from laboratory to prototypes. Now we’re ready for the next stage—commercialization. This will require greater funding. A Regulation Crowdfunding, or CF, exemption has been created in U.S. securities laws that allows investors to invest in newer businesses seeking capital, without the red tape and accredited investor net-worth requirements of traditional Initial Public Offerings.

StartEngine is conducting our online crowdfunding campaign. The platform has raised more than $540 million for startups and has over 800,000 potential investors. Kevin O’Leary, Mr. Wonderful of Shark Tank fame, is an investor, advisor, and paid spokesman. For more information about StartEngine, see their website at startengine.com.

Securities regulations prevent us from advertising the terms of 4Ry’s offering on Straight Line Logic. Those terms, plus extensive information about 4Ry, its technology, accomplishments, finances, personnel, future plans, the competitive landscape in which it operates, and a really cool video are all on 4Ry’s campaign page on StartEngine. Early bird investors and those who make larger investments in our crowdfunding should check out the details on bonus shares. The campaign page also has the risk factors, of which a potential investor should be fully aware. The link to that page is: startengine.com/4ry-sprays.

Surveying the current investment environment, many alternative media commentators recommend real, tangible assets, including essential provisions and precious metals. I don’t disagree with those recommendations, but I’d also suggest putting an intangible asset in your portfolio that historically has generated incalculable value and is the cornerstone for many other asset values: intellectual property.

4Ry’s value derives from the intellectual property developed by Dr. Kelly. He is a named inventor on 20 patents. 4Ry owns the key ChIPS patent, we have filed a patent for the distilled water sprayer, and we will file many more. All of Arnold’s innovations may not work out, but they don’t have to for our company to be profitable. If a few work out we should be fine. That was my calculation when I invested in 2016, when I became first a consultant and then a vice president at the company, and when I agreed to serve as CEO in 2020. I saw it as an investment of money, time, and commitment in developing invaluable intellectual property. See the campaign page for more.

Intellectual property doesn’t just happen, it requires investment and development. Most of Arnold’s innovations come from the amazing lab in the basement of his house. We intend to move him to an upgraded lab and build out a team of technicians and engineers to commercialize his technologies. They will be on the receiving end of a massive knowledge transfer, what we call the Downloading Arnold’s Brain Project. We also intend to erect a legal fortress around our intellectual property. None of this comes cheap, but now that we have prototypes of potential commercial products we can seek public investment.

I have never solicited donations on SLL or run a fund-raising campaign for the site. I can pay for groceries, but 4Ry needs investment now. I can’t guarantee you’ll make money. As with all investments you could lose every penny. The beauty of crowdfunding is nobody has to bet the ranch. You have a chance to make money, you can fully evaluate and limit the risk, and you can keep your investment in your comfort zone.

I can say with complete certainty that you’ve never seen a company like 4Ry. We are a throwback to the days of brilliant inventors and bold entrepreneurs. 4Ry has little in common with committee-driven, publicly traded corporations. We won’t be a cash-burn machine so beloved by Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and the venture capital community. We keep our expenses low and we aim to make money, sooner rather than later. Our technology is understandable (it has to be if I got involved) and fascinating. Our story is compelling. Please check out our StartEngine campaign page.

Thanks,

Robert

Where does 4Ry’s name come from?

Ry is the scientific notation for the Rydberg unit of energy, 13.6 electron volts (13.6 eV). That is the energy required to ionize hydrogen. ChIPS imparts 4 Ryberg Units (4 Ry) of charge, 54.4 eV, to each electron on a drop of fluid. (About a million charged electrons are on a 50-micron drop—enough to electrocute bacteria!). The 4 Ry surface charge is the basis of 4Ry’s technology and its name.

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Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
August 18, 2022 2:54 pm

A truly wonderful breakthrough, thank you Robert for sharing. In my life and work I ahve come across many potential inventions, some claim to have been repressed, others to have been dark-sided. My interest in physics and engineering as a hobby has kept me busy when I have the time. I came across this many years ago which doesn’t appear to have seen the light? Thoughts?

Home

Good luck for success with your stunning device. Having founded several businesses in the past I know how difficult it is to traverse that first step and even then it’s no bed of roses thereafter.

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  Austrian Peter
August 18, 2022 3:54 pm

So are you in AS?

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Two if by sea.
August 18, 2022 4:40 pm

I’m in UK –

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  Austrian Peter
August 18, 2022 11:45 pm

It’s a term Yanks use to describe wether you’ve thrown your hat in the ring. Have you invested in the possibility was my question.

ken31
ken31
  Two if by sea.
August 19, 2022 1:17 am

Well, what’s it stand for, Yank?

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Two if by sea.
August 19, 2022 1:50 am

Oh – my bad, I am catching on to Americanisms slowly! No I don’t invest in speculative innovations and thereby have missed out on some gems in the past but I do observe and monitor what could have been however. My modest portfolio requires prudent management these days.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Austrian Peter
August 19, 2022 9:06 am

” I am catching on to Americanisms slowly!”

Blessed with a fine mind, You are ‘over-thinking’.

We can be found, patiently waiting, to cast our votes. In various places. At various times. Glad to talk, through our masks.

THIS TIME, things will be different.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 1:06 pm

Thanks Anon 🙂

Robert(QSLV)
Robert(QSLV)
  Robert Gore
August 18, 2022 10:56 pm

Sounds like a scam to me. Electrostatic precipitation has been around for years. As far as intelligent comments………….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robert(QSLV)
August 18, 2022 11:00 pm

It’s an obvious pump and dump.

IMO Robert Gore is just another POS scam artist. Fucking shameful.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Robert(QSLV)
August 19, 2022 1:52 am

That’s what I thought but it was beyond my pay-grade.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
August 18, 2022 3:10 pm

Having done microbial remediation for 22+ years, this is fabulous. No need for expensive sanitizers, only a microbial retardant coating after disinfection. For poeple that have severe chemical sensitivities it’s a godsent miracle.

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  lamont cranston
August 18, 2022 3:55 pm

So, are you in, lamont?

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Two if by sea.
August 18, 2022 9:15 pm

Yes, 990 shares. Right now, we use a 7.6 CFM air compressor w/ a 25′ house that can be adjusted to spray from 5 to 50 microns (“µm”); it’s electrostatic and cost $5K, including the compressor. It’s a pain in the ass, especially when (1) you have stairs and no elevator or (2) dealing w/ a crawl space.

Despite this article says is sprays at 50 µm, you’re using distilled water, so that’s no problem from a cost/sq ft analysis.

Would love to be a distributor for the microbial remediation biz.

ken31
ken31
  Robert Gore
August 18, 2022 10:18 pm

As a biochemist of 0 years, it isn’t going to do all of that. Just get you some BSA for a cheap demonstration of how resilient and non-reactive proteins can be.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Robert Gore
August 18, 2022 11:50 pm

Bacteria are a hammer (think legionella), molds are mostly wimpy in comparison. I won’t get into specifics now. You can get admin to make contact.

Hey, if I’m good enough to do $25K of work for Junior Johnson, mebbe I can help.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 1:55 am

Brilliant RG – and I can confirm that a colleague has expertise in the water field – he claims that it has undiscovered magical qualities – I have forwarded this posting to him.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Austrian Peter
August 19, 2022 5:53 am

“undiscovered magical qualities”

Exactly. like, one can live a comparatively long time without food.

Water? not so much.

New ‘discoveries’ on the horizon?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 5:46 am

“. No mechanical assistance or external air pressure is necessary.”

Prototype pic?

Guessing the fluid in question goes through what would have been the quick connect for air on the rear. So, it’s gravity fed?

If it will spray Snake Oil…Have you applied for “Approved govt. Contractor” status?

Master the possibilities. Could even offer a complimentary Toilet seat and a hammer with each purchase?

Machinist
Machinist
  lamont cranston
August 18, 2022 5:30 pm

There is a plethora retardant coatings in the US. Easily found in the media, for example.

ken31
ken31
  lamont cranston
August 18, 2022 10:16 pm

Yea, sounds like true innovation, with boundless applications. It’s amazing it got through the gatekeepers.

ken31
ken31
  ken31
August 18, 2022 11:56 pm

wtf?

Red River D
Red River D
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 10:38 am

Rough crowd here.

I didn’t detect any shenanigans when I read your original post, Robert. But one thing I like about TBP gallery is the stone cold skepticism of some of the regulars!!!

Gary Olson
Gary Olson
August 18, 2022 4:02 pm

I’d like to see how this works with rust preventatives. These bond with iron and oxygen … which are in blood also. Massive safety requirements for using bonding rust abatement sprays.

Herc
Herc
August 18, 2022 4:13 pm

Product idea stolen and reverse engineered producing knock off by Chinese in 3….2….1..

Not mocking, just feel that’s our reality now…wish you all the best of luck

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Herc
August 18, 2022 11:52 pm

Chinese steal our stuff, period.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  lamont cranston
August 19, 2022 9:18 am

“Chinese steal our stuff”

Psst! Don’t tell anyone. We ‘give’ it to them. Been going on since Waaaay before tricky dick. Think ‘Opium’. ONLY $ is required.

Sincerely, slick willie

Anonymous
Anonymous
  lamont cranston
August 19, 2022 1:00 pm

Sure. But only the stuff that actually works. This appears safe.

PSBindy
PSBindy
August 18, 2022 4:49 pm

How is this different from electro-static applicators that I used in the Seventies to coat metal office furnishings in situ without overspray?

PSBindy
PSBindy
  PSBindy
August 18, 2022 5:09 pm

Adding to above query: The e-static applicators I was familiar with could only work on metals with decent conductivity. Spraying vegetation would not have worked.

Guest
Guest
  PSBindy
August 18, 2022 5:19 pm

There are electro static pollinators that spray trees. A neighbor has one.

PSBindy
PSBindy
  Guest
August 19, 2022 3:25 pm

Thx Guest, good to know.

I suppose the vegetation has a charge. Make the product a different charge and voila, attraction without overspray. Hadn’t thought of it till your comment.

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 18, 2022 8:20 pm

It is very similar to how powder coating works. Using a liquid rather than a powder.

Faraday caging is an issue to be aware of in this. In other words, this product will likely/especially not like internal corners.

What is the market potential? Based on battery pack, it looks aimed at home use, as industrial sprayers will not need such. And clearly, the electric charge does not provide all its own propulsion. It would seem to provide dispersion. But the liquid must be pushed, or possibly sucked, through the gun by one means or another.

The biggest potential for this is in minimising waste. Because for the most part spray tech is set, and large users won’t change, at least not quickly, unless there is cost saving. If you can minimize waste (Ie overspray) the market significantly expands.

One thing you are up against is that people are developing/have developed electro conductive paints. Ie the paints are conductive, and when used, esp. as a primer, are then able to be charged so that electrostatic paints can be drawn to the surface.

There are a lot of very big companies working in this field, spending massive amounts on R+D. The aim is as mentioned – waste minimisation, along with ability to reduce operator error.

My advice would be to target niche markets as a priority, where you can command high prices and also stay away from the attention of the big players.

.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 2:05 am

It’s my experience that true better mouse-traps take decades to take off, however efficacious they may be. For example, I met some investors in the 1980s who had put mega moolah into a project by Cambridge University – a device to jet spray IDs and dates on to product items (common now of course). They had a warehouse full of the units and no takers. Then a consultant suggested they give them away rather than having them hidden – they took off very quickly after that. Lesson – get the item into use – even FOC – if it’s good, the Prospect will always come back for more.

Undeniable
Undeniable
  Austrian Peter
August 19, 2022 11:14 am

Then a consultant suggested they give them away…

In sales, that is known as the “puppy-dog” close. Once they take possession, they never want to let it go.

Llpoh
Llpoh
August 18, 2022 8:31 pm

From the article:
“ Is it still possible for a business to make money the old-fashioned way, by offering superior products at competitive prices?”

If you have a unique product, you do not want to have competitive prices. You want a niche where you can make large profits. If you get into a “competitive price” battle with the large players, you are not really talking about price but cost, and that is not an easy battle to win.

And from the article: “ I can say with complete certainty that you’ve never seen a company like 4Ry.” Please. That is really arrogant.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Llpoh
August 18, 2022 10:39 pm

Large profits incite competition, so the tech has to be very hard to replicate or steal. Often it’s better to price at a point that is not only competitive with the standard product, but discouraging to competitors. And if your product is hot enough you can expand your market lickety split which also discourages competitors who then see a difficult road ahead with low profits and expensive marketing.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  bigfoot
August 18, 2022 11:29 pm

You may not understand niche. By large profits I mean large percentage profits. Big players don’t tend to attack niche players. They are after volume. If they want to attack, the generally just buy out the niche player.

This seems to me the type of product that may be best served to develop and then get bought out. There are many, many large players in this game. If 5hey feel the tech is a threat, one will buy it out.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 12:45 am

I was thinking that the revolutionary patent and potential for sanitizing with water would be big business not a niche. You are probably correct that niche it is.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 2:10 am

Yep – it happened to me in 1995 (spoiler – Xerox came knocking)

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 2:08 am

You are so right Llpoh and often, if the product threatens a monopoly player, – you get an offer which is very difficult to refuse. The saga of Betamax v VHS comes to mind.

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 18, 2022 8:44 pm

The like-charged droplets repel each other, so the spray provides its own propulsion. No mechanical assistance or external air pressure is necessary.

FFS. The FIRST fucking picture shows an air line quick connect. The thing at the back of the handle.

I will assume the rest of the article is just as accurate, so bullshit.

BTW, (From https://www.startengine.com/4ry-sprays)
comment image

Looks to be a standard tap aerator.

Beware, this looks like epic bullshit.

Is it still possible for a business to make money the old-fashioned way..?

It appears this is the “old-fashioned way” the VSE capitalists used to make money. PUMP-LOOT-and-DUMP.

Irregular Use of Proceeds
The Company might incur Irregular Use of Proceeds that may include but are not limited to the following over $10,000: Salary payments made to one’s self, a friend or relative. Inter company debt or back payments.

Or, “Where your money will disappear to before this tanks leaving you holding the bag”.

Run the other way.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 18, 2022 10:59 pm

I see Robert has been back.

Would have expected rebuttal and explanation. Wonder why there is none. (not really)

Anyone expect the “oddities” will ever be addressed by Robert?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anonymous
August 18, 2022 11:32 pm

It seems it is part of the offering spiel. More understandable in that light. I have been managing and dealing with paint systems, and installed one of the largest systems, at that time, of powder coating and oven in the world. You name it, I have managed or installed it.

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  Anonymous
August 18, 2022 11:48 pm

Is it possible the air quick disconnect hooks up to a supply line rather than compressed air?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Two if by sea.
August 19, 2022 12:03 am

Sure. Anything is possible. Will Robert clarify?

But that looks to be a pressure washer handle, with a battery and some other box stuck to it and an air quick connect adapted to the inlet.

A prototype according to the article. So will we see it working? If not, why not?

I don’t know for sure this is a scam, but it has many warning signs. I knew a couple of POS that used to fling worthless paper on the Vancouver Stock Exchange and this immediately reminded me of their scams.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 2:12 am

The world is full of trickery 🙂

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 8:08 am

AP – I would echo that. However, there are some things in the post that are over the top sales pitches. Like the part about the spray providing it’s own propulsion. That is seriously not the case.

I know a crapload about painting. Not an expert as such, but I have managed and overseen cutting edge tech in the field for decades. There are a couple of things that are eyebrow raising in this post to folks that know something about this stuff. I know something about this stuff. And not just superficially. I have been involved in it for about 40 years, and as mentioned I was the engineer responsible for the installation of one of the world’s biggest powder coating systems, put in one of the first robotic industrial spray systems, etc.

In my opinion, the best way this might make a bucketload is to establish the tech to the point that the company gets bought out. I am not sure the niche is big enough to generate a significant return, and butting heads with the big players will be painful.

I am not questioning Rob’s integrity. But the sales pitch is rather exuberant.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 8:58 am

I have not looked into this device and do not have a technical background, but I can say this – I cannot even conceive of the possibility that Robert Gore would lie or deceive anyone about anything.

There are a number of people whom I trust with complete confidence, and Robert Gore is one of them, although we’ve only interacted tangentially through this blog.

Robert Gore is not the kind of person to tout his bon fides or trumpet his character, so I doubt he will mount a defense of himself as I just did…

So you don’t actually know him or anything about the product and you have not/will not invest? Odd backing. So you feelz he is above board on this? I see no other conclusion.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 9:37 am

The like-charged droplets repel each other, so the spray provides its own propulsion. No mechanical assistance or external air pressure is necessary.

Yes, it requires pressure and consequently power to get the fluid from its source to the Atomizer (also required of electrostatic spraying), which is why there is that air-line quick connect at the back of the handle.

“so the spray provides its own propulsion.”

????PROVIDES ITS OWN PROPULSION.

“If I wanted to scam people I could have come up with”

One caveat: SEC regulations prevent me from saying things..

Still calling bullshit. Your wall of psudo-science, sob story text does not change that opinion. My VSE acquaintances could have written that. Looks strangely familiar to the “baffle them with bullshit” forward looking statements they used to churn out. “Can’t disclose”, “trade secrets”, regulator restrictions” type excuses were the meat of their releases too.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 10:12 am

Robert – I typed out a long response, and lost it. Crap. Anyway, people have been assholes. That said,

I think you have made some strategic mistakes. The stuff about about it provides its own propulsion is one of them. It may be a good pitch for investors, but potential buyers will be put off.

The other bit that was a shocker for me was the “ I can say with complete certainty that you’ve never seen a company like 4Ry” comment. Seriously, that is crapola. It shows you don’t even know what you don’t know.

You have an idea, no money, a geriatric designer who has been trying to commercialise this for literally decades, little money, few employees, a ceo with little or no mfg experience, a mature market with huge and well funded competition, no track record, no distribution or mfg systems, no product, perhaps no customers, etc.

And you think we haven’t seen that before? I have seen it more times than I can shake a stick at. At this stage you still don’t know what you don’t know. And the chances of you getting this up and successful are not good. Your best hope is to sell the tech to a big player, in my opinion. Because you are miles away from commercialising.

I hope it works out. I really do. I will leave you with a simple truth. An average idea well implemented will beat a great idea poorly implemented. It is execution that generally makes the difference, and it is the breadth of skill across a significant range that generally wins the race.

Good luck.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 10:39 am

AP – it indeed should. I am appalled at the comments questioning his integrity. That is despicable.

I did what research I could on the company. It is a company with a good idea, and the creator, Robert, etc have a lot of zeal. But…

If Robert put all his eggs in this basket, time is not on his side. The scientist has to be in his mid-eighties. Robert has to get money, then create a commercial product, then find customers, then has to manufacture the product (with all that entails – engineering, HR, planning, purchasing, maintenance, accounting, etc ad naseum), distribute it, warrant it, service it, market it, etc. It is a huge task, even for a young CEO with skills and background in those areas. If you get enough seed money then you can throw money at those things. But this is not Tesla we are talking about.

I don’t know if he is interested in more advisers. I hope he already has some who can help him through. I can point out some things, but getting a product up from idea to profitable product is very complex.

B_MC
B_MC
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 10:44 am

a mature market with huge and well funded competition

With some products already being sold as surplus….

***Surplus, UNUSED ELECTROSTATIC BACKPACK SPRAYERS | FREE SHIPPING*** – $75

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/grq/d/surplus-unused-electrostatic-backpack/7519532773.html

Red River D
Red River D
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 10:45 am

I’m with you on your analysis of Robert’s integrity, Archie…

…but having a place where gainsayers can rain blows on your ideas or marketing strategies is actually very valuable. Sometimes the more acidic and vociferous the objections, the better.

The objections here were all substantive and intelligent, even if unfriendly. It’s a good opportunity to shore up any soft spots in the presentation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 11:20 am

I think you both should invest heavily based on your trust of Robert. Borrow some money and invest that too.

Don’t let curmudgeons like me stop you. DIVE IN!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 11:54 am

Do read the Form C.

And do go to the bottom of this page,
https://www.startengine.com/4ry-sprays

and hit “SHOW MORE”. Now why would that tiny bit be hidden unless you hit “SHOW MORE”?

Best of luck.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 8:49 pm

Robert – I really not sure how to add to what you are trying to do. You have a prototype. But I think what you need is to identify the best market for your product, develop a working commercial version, and show it side by side working against the competition.

I hope you are aware of how the other spray guns work. There are reasons that the other guns focus and direct the sprays in particular ways. They for instance force the sprays into fan shapes. Circular shapes are not wanted. Yours is a circular shape. Without seeing it actually used for say spraying paint, as an example, I am unconvinced a circular shape will work in many instances. The fan shape allows for even covered, to get close to edges, etc. You will need to convince people that it will do that in paint operations, if you intend to use it for that. I would have thought body shops would be one potential market, and they will need convincing with evidence.

This has been underway by your guy for decades. Seriously, by now there should be a commercially viable product ready and should be able to be demonstrated side by side against the competition. That I can’t find that online gives me pause.

If I think I have anything that might be of use, I will indeed get in touch. I am being a Negative Nellie, but experience has taught me best to be realistic in these things. Dr Kelly is a true believer, and has been after this for decades. I have seen it more than once. People buy into the dream. I just have never seen it end well.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robert Gore
August 20, 2022 2:25 pm

For instance, the shape of our spray is irrelevant, because it is nonlinear.

I am sorry Robert, I thought this was a CONfidece scam. Now it just appears you may have let your ignorance of your ignorance of the technology lead you to arrogance about your own understanding.

I assume you would tell me you already have, but I would spend a LOT more time looking over existing patents than you appear to have done by your displayed knowledge level.

Good luck.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Robert Gore
August 20, 2022 10:41 pm

Hi Robert – a couple of things, then I will leave it.

1) you say “ For instance, the shape of our spray is irrelevant, because it is nonlinear. ” I do not believe that for an instant. The shape is related to consistency of cover. It really is important. That is why electrostatic is generally sprayed in fan shape. You will have to prove that it isn’t side by side against others, or you will have a great many skeptics. Including me.

2) have you overcome Faraday caging with respect to nooks and crannies? Again, call me a skeptic, because internal corners – nooks and crannies- create Faraday caging with respect to electrostatic painting. I would require proof via comparison that it can be entirely overcome. The reality is that Faraday caging is a known phenomena, and occurs in internal corners, which repels electrostatic paint. Nooks and crannies do the same thing.

I suspect these type issues is why so far, after decades of attempts, the tech hasn’t been commercialized. Folks such as myself, who understand theses things, will have to be shown positively that what is said to be possible is actually possible. That means side by side demonstrations where I, or someone like me, not an employee of your company, can pick up your product and use it in direct comparison with what we actually use. The biggest bite on my ass in my career was changing a paint process, after a lot of trialling, and then still getting it wrong. When it comes to paint and process there is a huge reluctance to change what is currently working, as the downside risk is enormous.

You will need to show me. And others. I hope you can. I wish you every success.

ana@gmail.com
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 10:29 am

Your painfully long winded self serving explanation is more proof that you are full of crap.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Robert Gore
August 19, 2022 12:31 pm

We know all that because charge-injection is a completely different technology. Within the Spray Triode Atomizer™ in the picture above (which is not a standard tap aerator)

https://search.brave.com/images?q=tap%20aerator

No? Sure looks like one. (maybe you are relying on the weasel word “standard”?)

So is it just a “modified” aerator?

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 18, 2022 10:35 pm

BTW, did the Admin get cash or stock for hosting this? (If stock, dump ASAP)

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anonymous
August 18, 2022 11:30 pm

Don’t be such a fucktard.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
August 18, 2022 11:34 pm

Take your own advice.

BTW, which is the fucktard part that put sand in your vagina?

Red River D
Red River D
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 1:31 am

Sand in the clam?

You must be former USN. Only Navy boys employ that insult!!!

Comes from surf torture on Imperial Beach.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anonymous
August 19, 2022 2:19 am

The part about admin taking money to post Robert’s stuff. That is fucktard at its finest.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
August 19, 2022 8:37 am

The part about admin taking money to post Robert’s stuff

What if he did? Do those Birch Gold “articles” get posted for free? Odd if they do. This is just as much an “article”. Looks like an advertisement.

Silly if he is not getting paid for providing huckster space.

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 19, 2022 1:27 am

A little off topic but relevant for meme work:

#bidenbux

When you’re heating up soup in the fireplace, be sure to credit the recipients of the #bidenbux extracted from the middle class at the point of a gun so we can have more solar panels from China.

#eatzebugs

Brings to mind WEF & Dr Evil. Anyone faced with prospect of eating bugs recoils.

Cheers

James
James
August 19, 2022 9:05 pm

Give me a new property with a large workshop,will then work on a steam powered Stirling engine with a sun following Fresnel lens and water source.

Have done home heat/hot water with collectors made from sliding glass doors/collection/heat box and 12 volt water/heat transfer pumps radiant,it can be done.

I would say even getting partially off the grid a great start,move on from there.