And now for something completely different.
Guest post by Robert Gore at Straight Line Logic
Is it still possible for a business to make money the old-fashioned way, by offering superior products at competitive prices? On my day job, I’m the CEO of fouRy, Inc., or 4Ry. Our company has turned the quantum discoveries of Dr. Arnold Kelly into spraying technologies that not only improve the efficiency and economics of a variety of spray applications, but also reduce environmental and health risks.
The StartEngine online equity crowdfunding platform allows individuals an opportunity to invest in 4Ry and Dr. Kelly’s revolutionary technologies (startengine.com/4ry-sprays). Dr. Kelly received his Ph.D. from Cal Tech and was a full professor at Princeton’s Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering. He has devoted much of his career to developing Charge Injected Precision Spraying™, or ChIPS™. His patented technology injects negative electric charge into a fluid before it leaves the nozzle, the Spray Triode Atomizer™. The like-charged droplets repel each other, so the spray provides its own propulsion. No mechanical assistance or external air pressure is necessary.
ChIPS has a low power requirement but puts out a high-powered spray. The charged droplets seek the grounded target, much the same way lightning seeks the earth, the ultimate ground. The spray quickly coats the entire target, including irregular surfaces. ChIPS minimizes aerosol drift and over-spray, which economizes on the fluid used. It also reduces worker safety risks and soil and groundwater contamination. ChIPS offers clear-cut economic and environmental benefits in a variety of spraying applications.
Charging fluid droplets opens up other doors. Independent third-party testing has established that charge-injected distilled water droplets from 4Ry’s prototype sprayer will kill bacteria. Imagine turning distilled water into a disinfectant. Further work is necessary to determine the full range of charged water applications and its lethality to other microorganisms such as viruses and spores, but we are excited by the possibilities.
4Ry has operated on a financial shoestring for the last six years as we moved Dr. Kelly’s technologies from laboratory to prototypes. Now we’re ready for the next stage—commercialization. This will require greater funding. A Regulation Crowdfunding, or CF, exemption has been created in U.S. securities laws that allows investors to invest in newer businesses seeking capital, without the red tape and accredited investor net-worth requirements of traditional Initial Public Offerings.
StartEngine is conducting our online crowdfunding campaign. The platform has raised more than $540 million for startups and has over 800,000 potential investors. Kevin O’Leary, Mr. Wonderful of Shark Tank fame, is an investor, advisor, and paid spokesman. For more information about StartEngine, see their website at startengine.com.
Securities regulations prevent us from advertising the terms of 4Ry’s offering on Straight Line Logic. Those terms, plus extensive information about 4Ry, its technology, accomplishments, finances, personnel, future plans, the competitive landscape in which it operates, and a really cool video are all on 4Ry’s campaign page on StartEngine. Early bird investors and those who make larger investments in our crowdfunding should check out the details on bonus shares. The campaign page also has the risk factors, of which a potential investor should be fully aware. The link to that page is: startengine.com/4ry-sprays.
Surveying the current investment environment, many alternative media commentators recommend real, tangible assets, including essential provisions and precious metals. I don’t disagree with those recommendations, but I’d also suggest putting an intangible asset in your portfolio that historically has generated incalculable value and is the cornerstone for many other asset values: intellectual property.
4Ry’s value derives from the intellectual property developed by Dr. Kelly. He is a named inventor on 20 patents. 4Ry owns the key ChIPS patent, we have filed a patent for the distilled water sprayer, and we will file many more. All of Arnold’s innovations may not work out, but they don’t have to for our company to be profitable. If a few work out we should be fine. That was my calculation when I invested in 2016, when I became first a consultant and then a vice president at the company, and when I agreed to serve as CEO in 2020. I saw it as an investment of money, time, and commitment in developing invaluable intellectual property. See the campaign page for more.
Intellectual property doesn’t just happen, it requires investment and development. Most of Arnold’s innovations come from the amazing lab in the basement of his house. We intend to move him to an upgraded lab and build out a team of technicians and engineers to commercialize his technologies. They will be on the receiving end of a massive knowledge transfer, what we call the Downloading Arnold’s Brain Project. We also intend to erect a legal fortress around our intellectual property. None of this comes cheap, but now that we have prototypes of potential commercial products we can seek public investment.
I have never solicited donations on SLL or run a fund-raising campaign for the site. I can pay for groceries, but 4Ry needs investment now. I can’t guarantee you’ll make money. As with all investments you could lose every penny. The beauty of crowdfunding is nobody has to bet the ranch. You have a chance to make money, you can fully evaluate and limit the risk, and you can keep your investment in your comfort zone.
I can say with complete certainty that you’ve never seen a company like 4Ry. We are a throwback to the days of brilliant inventors and bold entrepreneurs. 4Ry has little in common with committee-driven, publicly traded corporations. We won’t be a cash-burn machine so beloved by Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and the venture capital community. We keep our expenses low and we aim to make money, sooner rather than later. Our technology is understandable (it has to be if I got involved) and fascinating. Our story is compelling. Please check out our StartEngine campaign page.
Thanks,
Robert
Where does 4Ry’s name come from?
Ry is the scientific notation for the Rydberg unit of energy, 13.6 electron volts (13.6 eV). That is the energy required to ionize hydrogen. ChIPS imparts 4 Ryberg Units (4 Ry) of charge, 54.4 eV, to each electron on a drop of fluid. (About a million charged electrons are on a 50-micron drop—enough to electrocute bacteria!). The 4 Ry surface charge is the basis of 4Ry’s technology and its name.
A truly wonderful breakthrough, thank you Robert for sharing. In my life and work I ahve come across many potential inventions, some claim to have been repressed, others to have been dark-sided. My interest in physics and engineering as a hobby has kept me busy when I have the time. I came across this many years ago which doesn’t appear to have seen the light? Thoughts?
Good luck for success with your stunning device. Having founded several businesses in the past I know how difficult it is to traverse that first step and even then it’s no bed of roses thereafter.
So are you in AS?
I’m in UK –
It’s a term Yanks use to describe wether you’ve thrown your hat in the ring. Have you invested in the possibility was my question.
Well, what’s it stand for, Yank?
Oh – my bad, I am catching on to Americanisms slowly! No I don’t invest in speculative innovations and thereby have missed out on some gems in the past but I do observe and monitor what could have been however. My modest portfolio requires prudent management these days.
” I am catching on to Americanisms slowly!”
Blessed with a fine mind, You are ‘over-thinking’.
We can be found, patiently waiting, to cast our votes. In various places. At various times. Glad to talk, through our masks.
THIS TIME, things will be different.
Thanks Anon 🙂
AP
Thanks for the encouraging words. I pulled up the SEG Magnetics link but the StartEngine launch has been hectic so I’ll have to come back to in order to make any intelligent comments.
Sounds like a scam to me. Electrostatic precipitation has been around for years. As far as intelligent comments………….
It’s an obvious pump and dump.
IMO Robert Gore is just another POS scam artist. Fucking shameful.
That’s what I thought but it was beyond my pay-grade.
Having done microbial remediation for 22+ years, this is fabulous. No need for expensive sanitizers, only a microbial retardant coating after disinfection. For poeple that have severe chemical sensitivities it’s a godsent miracle.
So, are you in, lamont?
Yes, 990 shares. Right now, we use a 7.6 CFM air compressor w/ a 25′ house that can be adjusted to spray from 5 to 50 microns (“µm”); it’s electrostatic and cost $5K, including the compressor. It’s a pain in the ass, especially when (1) you have stairs and no elevator or (2) dealing w/ a crawl space.
Despite this article says is sprays at 50 µm, you’re using distilled water, so that’s no problem from a cost/sq ft analysis.
Would love to be a distributor for the microbial remediation biz.
Thank you. If we can establish that distilled water kills not just bacteria but viruses, molds, spores, and so on, it presents a lot of possibilities. We’re hoping the funding campaign will give us the wherewithal to do that.
As a biochemist of 0 years, it isn’t going to do all of that. Just get you some BSA for a cheap demonstration of how resilient and non-reactive proteins can be.
Bacteria are a hammer (think legionella), molds are mostly wimpy in comparison. I won’t get into specifics now. You can get admin to make contact.
Hey, if I’m good enough to do $25K of work for Junior Johnson, mebbe I can help.
Brilliant RG – and I can confirm that a colleague has expertise in the water field – he claims that it has undiscovered magical qualities – I have forwarded this posting to him.
“undiscovered magical qualities”
Exactly. like, one can live a comparatively long time without food.
Water? not so much.
New ‘discoveries’ on the horizon?
“. No mechanical assistance or external air pressure is necessary.”
Prototype pic?
Guessing the fluid in question goes through what would have been the quick connect for air on the rear. So, it’s gravity fed?
If it will spray Snake Oil…Have you applied for “Approved govt. Contractor” status?
Master the possibilities. Could even offer a complimentary Toilet seat and a hammer with each purchase?
There is a plethora retardant coatings in the US. Easily found in the media, for example.
Yea, sounds like true innovation, with boundless applications. It’s amazing it got through the gatekeepers.
wtf?
It can’t even get through the gatekeepers at TBP.
Rough crowd here.
I didn’t detect any shenanigans when I read your original post, Robert. But one thing I like about TBP gallery is the stone cold skepticism of some of the regulars!!!
I’d like to see how this works with rust preventatives. These bond with iron and oxygen … which are in blood also. Massive safety requirements for using bonding rust abatement sprays.
Product idea stolen and reverse engineered producing knock off by Chinese in 3….2….1..
Not mocking, just feel that’s our reality now…wish you all the best of luck
Chinese steal our stuff, period.
“Chinese steal our stuff”
Psst! Don’t tell anyone. We ‘give’ it to them. Been going on since Waaaay before tricky dick. Think ‘Opium’. ONLY $ is required.
Sincerely, slick willie
Sure. But only the stuff that actually works. This appears safe.
How is this different from electro-static applicators that I used in the Seventies to coat metal office furnishings in situ without overspray?
Adding to above query: The e-static applicators I was familiar with could only work on metals with decent conductivity. Spraying vegetation would not have worked.
There are electro static pollinators that spray trees. A neighbor has one.
Thx Guest, good to know.
I suppose the vegetation has a charge. Make the product a different charge and voila, attraction without overspray. Hadn’t thought of it till your comment.
It is very similar to how powder coating works. Using a liquid rather than a powder.
Faraday caging is an issue to be aware of in this. In other words, this product will likely/especially not like internal corners.
What is the market potential? Based on battery pack, it looks aimed at home use, as industrial sprayers will not need such. And clearly, the electric charge does not provide all its own propulsion. It would seem to provide dispersion. But the liquid must be pushed, or possibly sucked, through the gun by one means or another.
The biggest potential for this is in minimising waste. Because for the most part spray tech is set, and large users won’t change, at least not quickly, unless there is cost saving. If you can minimize waste (Ie overspray) the market significantly expands.
One thing you are up against is that people are developing/have developed electro conductive paints. Ie the paints are conductive, and when used, esp. as a primer, are then able to be charged so that electrostatic paints can be drawn to the surface.
There are a lot of very big companies working in this field, spending massive amounts on R+D. The aim is as mentioned – waste minimisation, along with ability to reduce operator error.
My advice would be to target niche markets as a priority, where you can command high prices and also stay away from the attention of the big players.
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It’s my experience that true better mouse-traps take decades to take off, however efficacious they may be. For example, I met some investors in the 1980s who had put mega moolah into a project by Cambridge University – a device to jet spray IDs and dates on to product items (common now of course). They had a warehouse full of the units and no takers. Then a consultant suggested they give them away rather than having them hidden – they took off very quickly after that. Lesson – get the item into use – even FOC – if it’s good, the Prospect will always come back for more.
In sales, that is known as the “puppy-dog” close. Once they take possession, they never want to let it go.
From the article:
“ Is it still possible for a business to make money the old-fashioned way, by offering superior products at competitive prices?”
If you have a unique product, you do not want to have competitive prices. You want a niche where you can make large profits. If you get into a “competitive price” battle with the large players, you are not really talking about price but cost, and that is not an easy battle to win.
And from the article: “ I can say with complete certainty that you’ve never seen a company like 4Ry.” Please. That is really arrogant.
Large profits incite competition, so the tech has to be very hard to replicate or steal. Often it’s better to price at a point that is not only competitive with the standard product, but discouraging to competitors. And if your product is hot enough you can expand your market lickety split which also discourages competitors who then see a difficult road ahead with low profits and expensive marketing.
You may not understand niche. By large profits I mean large percentage profits. Big players don’t tend to attack niche players. They are after volume. If they want to attack, the generally just buy out the niche player.
This seems to me the type of product that may be best served to develop and then get bought out. There are many, many large players in this game. If 5hey feel the tech is a threat, one will buy it out.
I was thinking that the revolutionary patent and potential for sanitizing with water would be big business not a niche. You are probably correct that niche it is.
Yep – it happened to me in 1995 (spoiler – Xerox came knocking)
You are so right Llpoh and often, if the product threatens a monopoly player, – you get an offer which is very difficult to refuse. The saga of Betamax v VHS comes to mind.
FFS. The FIRST fucking picture shows an air line quick connect. The thing at the back of the handle.
I will assume the rest of the article is just as accurate, so bullshit.
BTW, (From https://www.startengine.com/4ry-sprays)
Looks to be a standard tap aerator.
Beware, this looks like epic bullshit.
It appears this is the “old-fashioned way” the VSE capitalists used to make money. PUMP-LOOT-and-DUMP.
Or, “Where your money will disappear to before this tanks leaving you holding the bag”.
Run the other way.
I see Robert has been back.
Would have expected rebuttal and explanation. Wonder why there is none. (not really)
Anyone expect the “oddities” will ever be addressed by Robert?
It seems it is part of the offering spiel. More understandable in that light. I have been managing and dealing with paint systems, and installed one of the largest systems, at that time, of powder coating and oven in the world. You name it, I have managed or installed it.
Is it possible the air quick disconnect hooks up to a supply line rather than compressed air?
Sure. Anything is possible. Will Robert clarify?
But that looks to be a pressure washer handle, with a battery and some other box stuck to it and an air quick connect adapted to the inlet.
A prototype according to the article. So will we see it working? If not, why not?
I don’t know for sure this is a scam, but it has many warning signs. I knew a couple of POS that used to fling worthless paper on the Vancouver Stock Exchange and this immediately reminded me of their scams.
The world is full of trickery 🙂
AP – I would echo that. However, there are some things in the post that are over the top sales pitches. Like the part about the spray providing it’s own propulsion. That is seriously not the case.
I know a crapload about painting. Not an expert as such, but I have managed and overseen cutting edge tech in the field for decades. There are a couple of things that are eyebrow raising in this post to folks that know something about this stuff. I know something about this stuff. And not just superficially. I have been involved in it for about 40 years, and as mentioned I was the engineer responsible for the installation of one of the world’s biggest powder coating systems, put in one of the first robotic industrial spray systems, etc.
In my opinion, the best way this might make a bucketload is to establish the tech to the point that the company gets bought out. I am not sure the niche is big enough to generate a significant return, and butting heads with the big players will be painful.
I am not questioning Rob’s integrity. But the sales pitch is rather exuberant.
So you don’t actually know him or anything about the product and you have not/will not invest? Odd backing. So you feelz he is above board on this? I see no other conclusion.
I wanted to address some of the comments yesterday, but I knew it would involve technical discussion that might get lengthy and I simply ran out of time. This will address comments by Anonymous and others. I’ll try to keep up with comments as they are made. One caveat: SEC regulations prevent me from saying things here that 4Ry has not disclosed on StartEngine and the SEC Form C, so explanations may at times not be as complete as I would like.
Our technology is charge-injection, which is not electrostatic charging. Electrostatic charge is inductive and is generally applied at discharge from the nozzle, although sometimes it is applied internally. Importantly, electrostatic charging never charges 100 percent of the droplets sprayed, and the percentage is usually substantially below that. To our knowledge, manufacturers of electrostatic sprayers have not even measured what percentage of droplets they manage to charge, so I cannot be more exact here. They also do not know what the charge is on the droplets their sprayers do charge, nor do they know the charge density of the resultant spray.
We know all that because charge-injection is a completely different technology. Within the Spray Triode Atomizer™ in the picture above (which is not a standard tap aerator), a cold cathode emitter imparts charge just before it reaches the atomizer’s orifice. Each droplet is negatively charged when it leaves the atomizer. With electrostatic charging, because some percentage of the fluid is not charged the spray “bunches” at discharge. That bunching has to be addressed, which is why electrostatic sprayers employ air pressure or mechanical assistance—to disperse the bunching and generate a usable spray.
Because our spray is 100 percent charged, there is no bunching because of the mutual repulsion (Coulomb repulsion) of the negatively charged droplets. This is the basis of our statement that the spray provides its own propulsion. Yes, it requires pressure and consequently power to get the fluid from its source to the Atomizer (also required of electrostatic spraying), which is why there is that air-line quick connect at the back of the handle. But once the spray is generated, no air pressure or mechanical assistance is necessary to get it to its grounded target. The power requirement for our sprayer is less than for electrostatic sprayers (we use a standard 20 volt lithium-ion battery).
We know exactly how much charge we have on the droplets (54.4 eV, or 4 Rydberg units, how many such charges there are (about a million on a 50 micron droplet), and the spray’s charge density (measurable, but it depends on droplet size). As our campaign page and the video illustrate, the spray goes to the grounded target and generates the claimed benefits (we have to say “claimed” per SEC regulations). There is a chart on the campaign page (startengine.com/4ry-sprays) that summarizes the differences between charge injection and electrostatics.
There have been comments that our technology will be counterfeited and we will be competing with knock offs. The Spray Triode Atomizer is fairly easy to reproduce, but it is not the key innovation in our technology. To produce an optimal spray, the charge must be varied, essentially increased to just before a spray “breakdown” point and then pulled back—continuously—within a millisecond time frame. That function is performed by an electronic controller, which is in the black box on the prototype sprayer pictured at the top of the article. That controller took 4Ry and an outside contractor almost three years to develop. The algorithms and circuitry within it will be much more difficult to replicate than the Spray Triode Atomizer.
One final note, concerning the “PUMP-LOOT-and-DUMP” comment. I’ve invested a fair amount of money in 4Ry and six years of my life. Dr. Kelly has put several decades into developing his technology and to understanding the quantum phenomena that govern it.
When I took over as CEO in February of 2020, we had less than $1,000 in the bank. As I said above, we’ve operated on a financial shoestring. There have been times when we’ve worked without receiving our modest salaries. We all could be much better compensated in other jobs. We’ve stuck with 4Ry because we understand Arnold’s revolutionary technology, its many potential applications, and its commercial potential. So, yes, we are going to use some of the issue’s proceeds to pay unpaid salaries. We also are going to use some of the proceeds to repay an operating loan. Most of the proceeds, however, will be used for the other purposes detailed on the campaign page.
I spent over twenty years in the securities business, I’m a lawyer, and I know my way around the internet. If I wanted to scam people I could have come up with something a lot easier than watching my net worth dwindle for six years, missing salary payments, jumping through StartEngine and the SEC’s hoops for six months to launch this offering, and signing documents that open me up to liability for misrepresentations and omissions. Ask all the questions you want and take your shots at the company and its technology, but please refrain from the personally pejorative comments and impugning my or the company’s integrity. Thanks
“so the spray provides its own propulsion.”
????PROVIDES ITS OWN PROPULSION.
Still calling bullshit. Your wall of psudo-science, sob story text does not change that opinion. My VSE acquaintances could have written that. Looks strangely familiar to the “baffle them with bullshit” forward looking statements they used to churn out. “Can’t disclose”, “trade secrets”, regulator restrictions” type excuses were the meat of their releases too.
Robert – I typed out a long response, and lost it. Crap. Anyway, people have been assholes. That said,
I think you have made some strategic mistakes. The stuff about about it provides its own propulsion is one of them. It may be a good pitch for investors, but potential buyers will be put off.
The other bit that was a shocker for me was the “ I can say with complete certainty that you’ve never seen a company like 4Ry” comment. Seriously, that is crapola. It shows you don’t even know what you don’t know.
You have an idea, no money, a geriatric designer who has been trying to commercialise this for literally decades, little money, few employees, a ceo with little or no mfg experience, a mature market with huge and well funded competition, no track record, no distribution or mfg systems, no product, perhaps no customers, etc.
And you think we haven’t seen that before? I have seen it more times than I can shake a stick at. At this stage you still don’t know what you don’t know. And the chances of you getting this up and successful are not good. Your best hope is to sell the tech to a big player, in my opinion. Because you are miles away from commercialising.
I hope it works out. I really do. I will leave you with a simple truth. An average idea well implemented will beat a great idea poorly implemented. It is execution that generally makes the difference, and it is the breadth of skill across a significant range that generally wins the race.
Good luck.
AP – it indeed should. I am appalled at the comments questioning his integrity. That is despicable.
I did what research I could on the company. It is a company with a good idea, and the creator, Robert, etc have a lot of zeal. But…
If Robert put all his eggs in this basket, time is not on his side. The scientist has to be in his mid-eighties. Robert has to get money, then create a commercial product, then find customers, then has to manufacture the product (with all that entails – engineering, HR, planning, purchasing, maintenance, accounting, etc ad naseum), distribute it, warrant it, service it, market it, etc. It is a huge task, even for a young CEO with skills and background in those areas. If you get enough seed money then you can throw money at those things. But this is not Tesla we are talking about.
I don’t know if he is interested in more advisers. I hope he already has some who can help him through. I can point out some things, but getting a product up from idea to profitable product is very complex.
Lipoh
I try to stay open to good advice. For obvious reasons I don’t want to put my email on an open forum like this, but my email address can be accessed on 4Ry’s website, which can be accessed via the campaign page.
With some products already being sold as surplus….
***Surplus, UNUSED ELECTROSTATIC BACKPACK SPRAYERS | FREE SHIPPING*** – $75
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/grq/d/surplus-unused-electrostatic-backpack/7519532773.html
I’m with you on your analysis of Robert’s integrity, Archie…
…but having a place where gainsayers can rain blows on your ideas or marketing strategies is actually very valuable. Sometimes the more acidic and vociferous the objections, the better.
The objections here were all substantive and intelligent, even if unfriendly. It’s a good opportunity to shore up any soft spots in the presentation.
I couldn’t agree more with you. It’s one of the reasons I put this up on SLL and TBP.
I think you both should invest heavily based on your trust of Robert. Borrow some money and invest that too.
Don’t let curmudgeons like me stop you. DIVE IN!
Do read the Form C.
And do go to the bottom of this page,
https://www.startengine.com/4ry-sprays
and hit “SHOW MORE”. Now why would that tiny bit be hidden unless you hit “SHOW MORE”?
Best of luck.
Do read this too. (note p.21)
https://startenginebetadev.s3.amazonaws.com/production/startups/623d3fe1499ed53500eddcbb/documents/offering_details/edgar_1660762257_offering_memorandum.pdf?X-Amz-Expires=600&X-Amz-Date=20220819T155416Z&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIBTE4SHPWN6SXAXQ/20220819/us-east-1/s3/aws4_request&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=994b700c4351ce4d3a9d2bed10dcf65814ceb98d5765ab1a833e8115c729f785
Lipoh
I appreciate your comments. I’m aware of many of the risks, including my own shortcomings and inadequacies. Anyone who wants a much more comprehensive listing of risks is referred to Form C, available via the campaign page. They are daunting and the odds are certainly against us. We are trying to build a real business and part of that is getting enough funding to address the risks. There is no assurance we will be successful, either in the fund raising or in the subsequent use of those funds.
Spraying is indeed a feature of many mature industries, but I believe Dr. Kelly’s basic spray technology offers substantial improvement over current methods. Many things that have been done for a long time are not done optimally. That is the lesson of capitalist dynamics–there is always room for improvement. There is also the kicker that his theoretical work leads to other, non-spray applications as well. If we are unsuccessful I have no doubt that someday his technologies will see the commercial light of day. I also have no doubt that the financial returns will be substantial for whomever brings these technologies to market. It was the unique nature of the technology that led me to write that there is no other business like ours. No arrogance was intended.
In the longer run our business will do the talking. We either make it or we don’t. Thanks for your best wishes.
Robert – I really not sure how to add to what you are trying to do. You have a prototype. But I think what you need is to identify the best market for your product, develop a working commercial version, and show it side by side working against the competition.
I hope you are aware of how the other spray guns work. There are reasons that the other guns focus and direct the sprays in particular ways. They for instance force the sprays into fan shapes. Circular shapes are not wanted. Yours is a circular shape. Without seeing it actually used for say spraying paint, as an example, I am unconvinced a circular shape will work in many instances. The fan shape allows for even covered, to get close to edges, etc. You will need to convince people that it will do that in paint operations, if you intend to use it for that. I would have thought body shops would be one potential market, and they will need convincing with evidence.
This has been underway by your guy for decades. Seriously, by now there should be a commercially viable product ready and should be able to be demonstrated side by side against the competition. That I can’t find that online gives me pause.
If I think I have anything that might be of use, I will indeed get in touch. I am being a Negative Nellie, but experience has taught me best to be realistic in these things. Dr Kelly is a true believer, and has been after this for decades. I have seen it more than once. People buy into the dream. I just have never seen it end well.
Lipoh
If you go to the campaign page, there is an option to follow the campaign, which means you will receive email updates. As I update over the next few weeks, you may find that our situation is not as dire as you think.
For instance, the shape of our spray is irrelevant, because it is nonlinear. What is relevant is that it goes to ground–the target–and thoroughly coats it, front, back, all sides, nooks, crannies, and all other irregular surfaces. This I have seen. Only charged droplets can do that, and 4Ry’s charge-injected droplets do it better than anyone else’s, including electrostatic sprayers. For that, we have customers lined up and ready, and we have solved nettlesome technical issues that have delayed us getting it to them. Like I said, watch the updates. And like I said earlier, our performance will do our talking from here on out.
I am sorry Robert, I thought this was a CONfidece scam. Now it just appears you may have let your ignorance of your ignorance of the technology lead you to arrogance about your own understanding.
I assume you would tell me you already have, but I would spend a LOT more time looking over existing patents than you appear to have done by your displayed knowledge level.
Good luck.
Hi Robert – a couple of things, then I will leave it.
1) you say “ For instance, the shape of our spray is irrelevant, because it is nonlinear. ” I do not believe that for an instant. The shape is related to consistency of cover. It really is important. That is why electrostatic is generally sprayed in fan shape. You will have to prove that it isn’t side by side against others, or you will have a great many skeptics. Including me.
2) have you overcome Faraday caging with respect to nooks and crannies? Again, call me a skeptic, because internal corners – nooks and crannies- create Faraday caging with respect to electrostatic painting. I would require proof via comparison that it can be entirely overcome. The reality is that Faraday caging is a known phenomena, and occurs in internal corners, which repels electrostatic paint. Nooks and crannies do the same thing.
I suspect these type issues is why so far, after decades of attempts, the tech hasn’t been commercialized. Folks such as myself, who understand theses things, will have to be shown positively that what is said to be possible is actually possible. That means side by side demonstrations where I, or someone like me, not an employee of your company, can pick up your product and use it in direct comparison with what we actually use. The biggest bite on my ass in my career was changing a paint process, after a lot of trialling, and then still getting it wrong. When it comes to paint and process there is a huge reluctance to change what is currently working, as the downside risk is enormous.
You will need to show me. And others. I hope you can. I wish you every success.
Your painfully long winded self serving explanation is more proof that you are full of crap.
https://search.brave.com/images?q=tap%20aerator
No? Sure looks like one. (maybe you are relying on the weasel word “standard”?)
So is it just a “modified” aerator?
BTW, did the Admin get cash or stock for hosting this? (If stock, dump ASAP)
Don’t be such a fucktard.
Take your own advice.
BTW, which is the fucktard part that put sand in your vagina?
Sand in the clam?
You must be former USN. Only Navy boys employ that insult!!!
Comes from surf torture on Imperial Beach.
The part about admin taking money to post Robert’s stuff. That is fucktard at its finest.
What if he did? Do those Birch Gold “articles” get posted for free? Odd if they do. This is just as much an “article”. Looks like an advertisement.
Silly if he is not getting paid for providing huckster space.
A little off topic but relevant for meme work:
#bidenbux
When you’re heating up soup in the fireplace, be sure to credit the recipients of the #bidenbux extracted from the middle class at the point of a gun so we can have more solar panels from China.
#eatzebugs
Brings to mind WEF & Dr Evil. Anyone faced with prospect of eating bugs recoils.
Cheers
Give me a new property with a large workshop,will then work on a steam powered Stirling engine with a sun following Fresnel lens and water source.
Have done home heat/hot water with collectors made from sliding glass doors/collection/heat box and 12 volt water/heat transfer pumps radiant,it can be done.
I would say even getting partially off the grid a great start,move on from there.