How to Debunk Thermite on 9/11

Guest Post by Kevin Ryan

The anniversary of the 9/11 attacks just passed, and we noticed a fair amount of discussion in the comments attempting to discredit or debunk the controlled demolition theory. Some claimed there was no rubble (or not enough), or no explosions, or no heat, or no molten metal…however all the claims were anecdotal and fell somewhat flat (so to speak).

But OffG prides itself on being helpful, and since some of you are so keen to debunk the work of the physicists and engineers who found physical proof that 9/11 was an inside job, we’ve got a handy guide here to help you do it. Properly. – Ed.

The evidence for the presence of thermite at the World Trade Center (WTC) on 9/11 is extensive and compelling. This evidence has accumulated to the point at which we can say that WTC thermite is no longer a hypothesis, it is a tested and proven theory.

Therefore it is not easy to debunk it. But the way to do so is not difficult to understand.

To debunk the thermite theory, one must first understand the evidence for it and then show how all of that evidence is either mistaken or explained by other phenomena. Here are the top ten categories of evidence for thermite at the WTC.

  1. Molten metal: There are numerous photographs and eyewitness testimonies to the presence of molten metal at the WTC, both in the buildings and in the rubble. No legitimate explanation has been provided for this evidence other than the exothermic reaction of thermite, which generates the temperatures required and molten iron as a product.
  2. The fires at Ground Zero could not be put out for several months. Despite the application of millions of gallons of water to the pile, several rainfall events at the site, and the use of a chemical fire suppressant, the fires would not subside. Thermal images made by satellite showed that the temperatures in the pile were far above that expected in the debris from a typical structure fire. Only thermite, which contains its own oxidant and therefore cannot be extinguished by smothering it, can explain this evidence.
  3. Numerous eyewitnesses who were fleeing the area described the air mass as a hot wind filled with burning particles.[1] This evidence agrees with the presence of large quantities of thermite byproducts in the air, including hot metallic microspheres and still-reacting agglomerates of thermite.
  4. Numerous vehicles were scorched or set on fire in the area. Photographic evidence shows that cars parked within the lower-level garage areas of the WTC complex burned as if impacted by a super-hot wind like that described by the eyewitnesses. All non-metallic parts of the cars, including the plastic, rubber, and glass, were completely burned off by a hot blast.
  5. There was a distinct “white smoke” present—clearly different from smoke caused by a normal structural fire—as indicated by eyewitnesses and photographic evidence.[2] The second major product of the thermite reaction is aluminum oxide, which is emitted as a white solid shortly after reaction.
  6. Peer-reviewed, scientific research confirmed the presence of extremely high temperatures at the WTC. The high temperatures were evidenced by metallic and other microspheres, along with evaporated metals and silicates. These findings were confirmed by 9/11 investigators and by scientists at an independent company and at the United States Geologic Survey.
  7. The elemental composition of the metallic microspheres from the WTC dust matches that of metallic microspheres produced by the thermite reaction.
  8. The environmental data collected at Ground Zero in the months following 9/11 indicate that violent incendiary fires, like those produced by thermite, occurred on specific dates. Peer-reviewed scientific analysis of these data show that the components of thermite spiked to extraordinary levels on specific dates in both the air and aerosol emissions at Ground Zero.
  9. Carbon nanotubes have been found in the WTC dust and in the lungs of 9/11 first responders. Formation of carbon nanotubes requires extremely high temperatures, specific metal catalysts, and carbon compounds exactly like those found in nanothermite formulations. Researchers have discovered that nanothermite produces the same kinds of carbon nanotubes. That finding has been confirmed by independent analysis in a commercial contract laboratory.
  10. A peer-reviewed scientific publication has identified the presence of nanothermite in the WTC dust. One of the critical aspects of that paper has been confirmed by an independent scientist. A visual comparison between nanothermite residues and particles found in the WTC dust is remarkable.

There is also a great deal of indirect evidence for the thermite theory. This includes the attempts by the government agency NIST to downplay the evidence for thermite. It also includes things like a weak effort by Rupert Murdoch’s National Geographic Channel to discredit the ability of thermite to cut structural steel, which was itself roundly discredited by an independent investigator. It is now unquestionable that thermite can cut structural steel as needed for a demolition.

Therefore, debunking the WTC thermite theory is not easy but is very straightforward. Doing so simply requires addressing the evidence listed above point by point, and showing in each case how an alternative hypothesis can explain that evidence better. Given the scientific grounding of the thermite theory, use of the scientific method, including experiments and peer-reviewed publications, would be essential to any such debunking effort.

That is almost certainly why we have seen no such debunking. Instead, the people working to refute the WTC thermite theory have resorted to what might be called a case study in how NOT to respond to scientific evidence.

The failed thermite theory debunkers have produced:

  • Thousands of chat room comments and other posts yet not one peer-reviewed scientific article.
  • Alternate hypotheses that have little or no evidence to support them. For example, the mini-nuke hypothesis and the “Star Wars Beam” hypothesis.
  • Government scientists declaring that the evidence simply doesn’t exist.
  • Attempts to exaggerate the meaning of the evidence, for example by saying that thermite or nanothermite could not have caused all of the effects seen at the WTC.
  • Deceptive efforts to introduce the government contractors who created the official accounts as independent scientists.

The last of these methods has been the most popular. Trying to debunk the tenth piece of evidence for WTC thermite, NIST contractor James Millette produced an unreviewed paper that purports to replicate the finding of nanothermite in the WTC dust. This was apparently organized in the hope that doing so would discredit all of the evidence for thermite at the WTC.

Millette is well known for having helped create the official reports on the analysis of WTC dust. He was responsible for creating the form that was used to pre-screen all materials found in the dust prior to any analysis by official investigators. Those official reports did not mention any of the evidence listed above, in particular failing to report the abundant iron microspheres scattered throughout the WTC dust. Additionally, Millette’s official report team did not find any red-gray chips, let alone nanothermite.

As he worked to debunk the WTC thermite research, Millette was still unable to find any iron microspheres. But he did claim to have finally found the red-gray chips. Curiously, he did not attempt to replicate the testing that would determine if those chips were thermitic.

Claiming to have found the chips, Millette perfomed an XEDS analysis for elemental composition but failed to do any of the other tests including BSE, DSC, the flame test, the MEK test, or measurement of the chip resistivity. Having inexplicably “ashed” the chips at 400 °C in a muffle furnace, thereby proving that they were not the materials of interest (which ignite at 430 °C), Millette ignored the remainder of the study he had set out to replicate.

Because he did not do the DSC test, he could not do XEDS of the spheres formed from the chips. Since he had still not found spheres in the dust, he could not test those and this allowed him to ignore the testing of spheres from the thermite reaction.

 

Millette rested his case on FTIR, which I have also performed on chips from WTC dust but with a much different result. Like Millette’s paper, my FTIR work is not yet part of a peer-reviewed publication and therefore should not be taken as authoritative evidence. There has been less urgency to this supplemental work because what has been done to date has received no legitimate response from the government or from much of the scientific community. That sad fact should be the central point of discussion today.

In any case, Millette attempted only one tenth of the tests in his struggle to replicate (or refute) one tenth of the evidence for thermite at the WTC. His un-reviewed “one percent approach” was nonetheless very convincing to many people, including some of the people who produced the official reports for 9/11. But it is obvious to others that Millette’s work was not a replication in any sense of the word.

I’m looking forward to the peer-reviewed scientific article that finally does replicate the nanothermite paper or any of the other peer-reviewed scientific papers that document the evidence for thermite at the WTC. Hopefully, we can approach those efforts without concerns about the sources and without recalling all the deception and manipulation that preceded them.

Until then, it is important to recognize the difference between the superficial appearance of science and the actual practice of science. Ignoring 90 percent of the evidence is not scientific. And replication of the 10 percent means actually repeating the work.

If thermite debunkers and alternate hypothesis supporters can find the courage and focus to step through that challenge, maybe they can begin to add to the discussion.

Kevin Ryan is a chemist, former laboratory director, and prominent voice in the 9/11 Truth movement. You can read more his work at his blog. You can also watch his testimony to the Toronto Hearings on 9/11 here, his video on the parallels between 9/11 and Covid here and his interview as part of our Covid19/11 series here.

[1] Here are only a few examples of the hot wind:

“Then the dust cloud hits us. Then it got real hot. It felt like it was going to light up almost.” -Thomas Spinard, FDNY Engine 7

“A wave — a hot, solid, black wave of heat threw me down the block.” – David Handschuh, New York’s Daily News

“When I was running, some hot stuff went down by back, because I didn’t have time to put my coat back on, and I had some — well, I guess between first and second degree burns on my back.” -Marcel Claes, FDNY Firefighter

“And then we’re engulfed in the smoke, which was horrendous. One thing I remember, it was hot. The smoke was hot and that scared me” -Paramedic Manuel Delgado

“I remember making it into the tunnel and it was this incredible amount of wind, debris, heat….” -Brian Fitzpatrick FDNY Firefighter

“A huge, huge blast of hot wind gusting and smoke and dust and all kinds of debris hit me” -Firefighter Louis Giaconelli

“This super-hot wind blew and it just got dark as night and you couldn’t breathe” -Firefighter Todd Heaney

[2] For example, see Joel Meyerowitz, Aftermath: World Trade Center archive. Phaldon Publishing, London, p 178. See photograph of the event on 11/08/01 that shows a stunning and immediate change of cloud-like emissions from the pile, from dark smoke to white cloud.

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19 Comments
CCRider
CCRider
October 2, 2022 4:16 pm

11. If you still believe even for a moment that the ‘official’ story is anything but a device for protecting officials, you’re a damn fool.

Con-vid1984
Con-vid1984
  CCRider
October 2, 2022 5:43 pm

I’d wager your down voter is also fully vaxxed and boosted. You really have to be the most gullible of the “my government loves me and wants to help me ‘muricans” to believe the simpleton story that our corrupt government fed us.

CCRider
CCRider
  Con-vid1984
October 2, 2022 6:26 pm

It’s some loser who drops a downvote without ever engaging. Fucking coward. Yes, let’s hope this asshole is fully vacced.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  CCRider
October 3, 2022 6:30 am

Clearly…but obsessing over popularity scores never leads to a good place.

Ken31
Ken31
  CCRider
October 2, 2022 7:50 pm

I saw with my own eyes 3 text book controlled demolitions that take a lot of skilled planning and execution.

ursel doran
ursel doran
October 2, 2022 4:43 pm

Another issue IMHO.
There is ONLY ONE force on the planet capable of converting hundreds of millions of tons of concrete, steel girders, and aluminum cladding to dust, dustification in Eight Seconds, and doing it twice. Also as noted in the article setting cars’ paint and tires on fire a few blocks away.
Also blowing all the windows in building seven ut AND setting the insides of the building on fire.
That effect is NOT from thermite IMHO. One or maybe two low-yield EMP nukes in each building.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  ursel doran
October 8, 2022 6:06 pm

Yeah, he gets a bit lost in the weeds. Regardless of what demo material it was, don’t forget the major points:
1. speed and symmetry of decent.
2. pyroclastic flows
Fires and planes can’t do that bros.

ASIG
ASIG
October 2, 2022 5:43 pm

It was done with Photon Torpedos, and time traveling Israeli students. Prove me wrong.

Ken31
Ken31
  ASIG
October 2, 2022 7:49 pm

I bet that makes more sense than the real story, whatever it is.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
October 2, 2022 6:22 pm

4. Cars burned and rusted…but paper didn’t. Explain that.
“Thermite burns very hot”.
Hot for months and at high enough temps to turn granite into glass, as found in the deepest structures.
Yes, I think termite was used but it was mini nukes that turned granite into glass and caused huge steel beams to turn to dust before your eyes. How could 110 stories worth of steel, concrete, porcelain, furniture, etc turn to dust.
There should have been at least 30 stories worth of steel beams, etc. Where did it go and how do massive beams turn to dust?

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
October 2, 2022 8:37 pm

All you conspiracy people are idiots! Everyone knows termites couldn’t bring down those towers! I still think it was Lee Harvey Oswald!

(Yes, I am joking.)

World War Zeke
World War Zeke
  Jason Calley
October 3, 2022 12:21 pm

Too soon.

Phil
Phil
October 2, 2022 9:08 pm

The Prof from BYU who originally found the thermite residue also found tritium at 50x the normal concentration, which definitely sounds like mini nukes. Also, we have the burned cars w/ paper unburned. What does that? Gamma rays. Gammas & X rays are very high energy, & only lightly absorbed by light elements, like carbon & oxygen (paper). It is much more readily absorbed by heavier elements – calcium, silicon, sodium (glass) & especially iron. The paint on the steel burns, the glass shatters or melts, the steel belted radials burn, but the papers sitting on top of the plastic seat are fine.
An aerial a week later photo showed a color corresponding to over 3000 F. The stone sides of the hole were melted. A chemical source of energy would just be too small to produce that much heat. Upright girders were cut at a 45 degree angle, which is commonly done using thermite as cutting charges. SO the answer looks to be, “both”.

James
James
  Phil
October 2, 2022 10:49 pm

Thermite can be your friend:https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Thermite

Just saying,you never know when you might need to weld railroad tracks/open a hole in the engine block of a vehicle to change the oil ect.,fun stuff!

Notorious Lurker
Notorious Lurker
  Phil
October 3, 2022 12:59 am

Why has no one considered that there is the likelihood that most if not all of the tall buildings in NYC are prewired to be imploded in place in case of a catastrophic fire or other incident. This would seem obvious from an insurance perspective. No one wants a sky scraper falling over on adjacent structures. In the case of tower 7, Silverstein literally said pull the building. Thermite and shape charges in place would be the only way to pull a building made of structural steal and stainless cladding. Now if the wrong hands got on those detonators… or were triggered by an EMP that would be a real mess.

As far as the mini nuke theory, I call B.S.. I was in a basement office 4 blocks away. There was only the sound of each structure coming down. Each time it was a rising, thundering rumble, no initial concussion you’d hear from a blast like an in ground detonation. A coworker thought they got the J train running again, I had to point out there was no “clickity clack” from the rails on the other side of the basement wall.

Lucredius
Lucredius
October 2, 2022 10:59 pm

Personally, I take the fall back position that everything gub says is a total fucking lie .
The theories presented make much more sense than the (((msm))) bullshit.
Just my opinion.
Peace, L

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 3, 2022 1:52 am

two words.. building seven.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anonymous
October 3, 2022 6:32 am

Two more words… ‘who cares?”

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
October 3, 2022 7:12 pm

Slightly OT …

But no one has ever explained just how it happened that the scrap steel from the twin towers and tower 7 virtually disappeared — hauled away, loaded onto boats — and hauled to china and disposed of.

No one has really questioned that — or the fact that thousands of folks who were due at work that Terrible Tuesday were — elsewhere … as if (((they))) knew in advance …