COVID Vaccines ‘Opened the Floodgates’ for New Wave of mRNA Vaccines for Livestock

Via The Defender

Several new government- and industry-funded studies are underway to develop mRNA vaccines for livestock, but “we need to be sure that no abnormal cellular or molecular changes to the animal could be induced by this type of vaccine,” one scientist told The Defender.

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Several new government- and industry-funded studies are underway to develop mRNA vaccines for livestock, part of the massive expansion of the animal vaccine industry projected to be worth $26.12 billion by 2030.

Researchers at Iowa State University are undertaking a project funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to develop mRNA vaccine technology to prevent bovine respiratory syncytial virus (RSV).

Pharmaceutical company Zoetis developed an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine for animals that was administered to animals at zoos throughout the country.

And researchers in the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service experimented with vaccinating captive-bred black-footed ferrets against COVID-19. They also experimented with social distancing and quarantine of ferrets.

Third generation vaccines,” including DNA, RNA and recombinant viral vector vaccines, are not only administered to livestock — but they also are being developed for companion animals and wild animals.

A peer-reviewed study in the journal Viruses last year reported, “The successful application of mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 has further validated the platform and opened the floodgates to mRNA vaccine’s potential in infectious disease prevention, especially in the veterinary field.”

Citing the need for biosecurity, in September 2022, the New South Wales (NSW) government fast-tracked the world’s first mRNA vaccines for foot-and-mouth disease and lumpy-skin disease, in a five-year multimillion dollar deal with U.S. biotech company Tiba Biotech.

Announcing the deal, Deputy Premier and Minister for Regional NSW Paul Toole said:

“I have now written to vaccine manufacturers to take up my challenge to develop both vaccines ready for use and manufacture in NSW by August 1 next year.

“COVID-19 demonstrated to us that all possible avenues in developing vaccines must be explored and we will leave no stone unturned.”

Dugald Saunders, NSW minister for agriculture, emphasized how important it was to “protect [NSW’s] livestock sector” and said the agreement with Tiba Biotech to create mRNA vaccines, “would be a game-changer for the industry.”

But experts have raised concerns. Holistic veterinarian Dr. W. Jean Dodds, told The Defender in an email:

“Not enough is known at this time if mRNA vaccines can generate any long-term effects on reproduction or lifespan of domestic farm stock.

“As livestock become part of the human and animal food chain, we need to be sure that no abnormal cellular or molecular changes to the animal could be induced by this type of vaccine.”

‘Good health starts with biosecurity’

According to a report published last year by Grand View Research, the market for animal vaccines is expected to grow at a 9.3% compounded annual growth rate, because “the growing incidence of food-borne zoonotic diseases and increasing animal husbandry are boosting the demand for vaccines.”

The paper pointed to the potential of the mRNA platform to treat diseases like African swine fever, porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome virus, porcine epidemic diarrhea virus, foot-and-mouth disease virus, bovine viral diarrhea virus, lumpy skin disease virus, bovine leukemia virus and peste des petits ruminants virus, among others.

A recent white paper, “The Future of Livestock Vaccines,” by researchers at the Livestock Research Innovation Corporation, Ontario, Canada, summed up the shift in thinking about animal vaccines:

“New technologies (e.g. mRNA, artificial intelligence) will have dramatic impact on the availability and effectiveness of vaccines available to producers. …

“The current COVID-19 pandemic has taught us many lessons, including the fact that the development, mass production and approval process of vaccines could be shortened from several years (or decades) to 8-9 months.”

“Good health starts with biosecurity,” the authors stated.

Iowa State teams up with Merck — with help from the U.S. government

Iowa State University and Merck last year announced a four-year strategic alliance to research “emerging technologies” in animal health.

Their joint research project to develop mRNA vaccine technology to prevent bovine RSV, as stated above, is funded in part by the U.S. government.

The study aims to develop a novel mRNA platform that is cost-efficient and thermostable in order to “open the door for vaccinating production animals with this technology.”

The project seeks to develop the platform for a bovine RSV vaccine “as a proof of principle for development of vaccines against this pathogen but also as a platform technology for other vaccines as well.”

In 2018, Merck Animal Health introduced Sequivity technology, “a revolutionary swine vaccine platform,” according to its website, to customize vaccines for various swine viruses using RNA particle technology.

The technology consists of creating electronic gene sequences for a given disease, synthesizing them into RNA, inserting them into the platform and injecting them into the animal. The RNA provides instructions to the immune cells to translate the sequence into proteins, which act as antigens.

Merck scientists developed the technology in partnership with Iowa State’s College of Veterinary Medicine.

Gates Foundation among funders of vaccines for livestock

For decades, concentrated animal feedlot operations, known as CAFOs, used antibiotics to help prevent bacterial infections from spreading through farm spaces densely packed with animals. The antibiotics also make animals grow faster.

After years of growing public concern about the use of antibiotics in meat production — particularly for the antibiotic residues they leave and their role in the development of drug-resistant “superbugs” — the World Health Organization in 2017 developed a set of guidelines and best practices on the use of medically important antimicrobials in animals raised for food.

That same year, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) began regulatory measures to prevent the use of livestock antibiotics for growth purposes and required farmers who wanted to use antibiotics to get them from veterinarians.

The FDA finalized that guidance in 2021.

In an effort to reduce the use of publicly spurned antibiotics and to deal with the problem of viral infections common in industrial livestock production, meat producers turned to vaccines.

“Vaccines and other alternative products can help minimize the need for antibiotics by preventing and controlling infectious diseases in animal populations, and are central to the future success of animal agriculture,” according to a 2018 article in Veterinary Research.

Animal vaccines commonly require a lower level of scrutiny than vaccines for humans.

According to a 2016 Bloomberg report, industry leaders like Elanco, Eli Lilly, Merck Animal Health and Zoetis began shifting billions of dollars of research investments from antibiotics to vaccines in advance of the 2017 FDA regulatory measures.

Experts predicted the new regulations would cause the market for vaccines to explode.

A 2022 report by Acumen showed that other major pharmaceutical companies, including Ceva, Boehringer Ingelheim International GmbH, Neogen Corporation, Intas Pharmaceuticals, Zoetis, Biogénesis Bagó and Pfizer are heavily investing in the animal vaccine industry.

“The future of our company is heavily grounded in vaccine development,” Dr. Rick Sibbel, a veterinarian who ran Merck’s technical services for cattle, poultry and swine, told Bloomberg.

The U.K.’s Department for International Development partnered with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to fund livestock vaccines around the world, the department tweeted in 2018:

 

That partnership included a $40 million grant in 2017 to develop new livestock vaccines. Gates Foundation funding to CGIAR, “global research partnership for a food-secure future dedicated to transforming food, land, and water systems in a climate crisis,” continues to focus on shifting livestock producers from using antibiotics to vaccines.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
January 21, 2023 9:29 am

We need to ramp up the resistance to stop these murderers.

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  Anonymous
January 21, 2023 4:45 pm

The sickness of their minds seems never ending.

Guest
Guest
January 21, 2023 9:48 am

– interesting since in my day there was a huge outcry about the extinction of the bf ferret. Many college friends got jobs studying them.
– many believe mad cow/ prion disease already from ‘bio research’.
Personally I think selected areas were poisoned showing prion disease, which freaks out hunters so they quit hunting.
– a grizzly mom & cubs euthanized here because they were sick and blind. Diagnosis? Bird flu. Right.
Was this grizzly collared or chipped and was it medicated earlier. A thought: how does all this collaring/tagging/ chipping affect wildlife anyway?
Could be they were starving. Populations are very big now and grizzlies need a lot of room.
– outlaw animal testing (torture for the good dontcha know). People who participate are damaged.
– reports are that bio weapon research done in veterinary labs in the US to get around laws.
-ever wonder why so many pets these days get cancer, diabetes, etc.? They’ve been getting vaxxxes as long as we have plus increasingly poor food. Even pets not babied to death. Sound familiar?

Guest
Guest
  Guest
January 21, 2023 10:16 am

There are still grizzly sightings now- in January. They say because juveniles are still looking for food. Over population.

We know many would rather animals starve than be hunted. Very cruel.

Guest
Guest
  Guest
January 21, 2023 11:32 am

Pfizer/Broula is a vet.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Guest
January 22, 2023 12:08 am

Actually, a lot of pet food is of higher nutritional value for the pets than human food is for humans … 

Guest
Guest
January 21, 2023 10:07 am

I’ve wondered if any farmers are managing so that their breeding stock remains as pure as possible (from now if it’s not too late)- especially pigs. Yuck- with human genes…
It would most likely take a group of farmers etc. this will be a marketing plus at some point is my prediction. I buy only local pork but have you read about experimentation?
Bet they put a ‘kill switch’ in also.
Their plan is to ‘barcode’ every living thing- all animals, people, plant, etc

Guest
Guest
  Guest
January 21, 2023 10:22 am

Remember the cattle in Kansas? EMF weapon?

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 21, 2023 11:02 am

FOLLOW THE MONEY !
Look how well the human mRNA vaccines are working out and now the same bunch want to inject these concoctions in the food supply livestock world wide and even in natural animals in the wild !
Research to assist in maintaining healthy breeding stock is essential to modern farming and food production!
However let’s not fool ourselves this same WEF / NWO demonic DAVOS group are interested in more for themselves and less for the rest they allow to survive .
Reducing the worthless eaters in their view is paramount to save the planets environment for their use .
At least THE THIRD REICH NAZI Movement had the guts to drag you out and exterminate millions face to face !
Cruel, crude but to humanity the end results are proving to be identical !
Millions sick dead and dying , millions starving while millions more toil by THE BIG CLUB demand and command for their allotment of what ever THE CLUB ALLOWS
THE TIME FOR THIS TO END WAS YESTERDAY
FORGET ME NOT

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
January 21, 2023 1:01 pm

“Gates Foundation among funders of vaccines for livestock” This will end well…

At least they’re social distancing the ferrets.

i forget
i forget
January 21, 2023 1:15 pm

H tap that sap•iens is the first domesticated livestock. Everything else came later/after. Cow pox shooting galleries shooting back out to cows is just Edgar Allan Poetry getting it on & “passing it on” with Mary Shelley gothic science fiction.

Those involved are “damaged”? Yup. But its selected-for damage. And it includes more than just the hands on. Lots more.

Are these people (more closely) related?

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The Frankenstein chicken-monster comes before the begetting of the Frankenstein’s monster-egg. And its Humpty Dumpty all the way down. See the frying pan, or the sidewalk neath Humpty’s wall, or the Phoenix in July skillet-sidewalk combo: this is your brain on deceit drugs.

Heart of Darkness was Conrad’s title. You want it darker? ~ Cohen rhetorically sang ~ We kill the flame. Whose we, sucka? Dirty Harry answered with two random names & a pronoun out of the billions of we (me), us (Smith), & them (Wesson). Whose they? Salinger’s Holden Caulfield id’d the lot: phonies.

Phony, artificial artful dodgering light, is the darkness. And that’s the black heart of weus.

Scratch a liar, find a thief. And the darkness.

Jenner sais quoi:

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Anonymous
Anonymous
January 21, 2023 1:24 pm

You commenters are all missing the most important point, which is:
Does Glock-n-Load know any of these livestock personally?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 21, 2023 3:16 pm

Yes. Some intimately even….

B_MC
B_MC
January 21, 2023 1:32 pm

I recently posted an article about the combination of bromelain and NAC :

(The combination of Bromelain and Acetylcysteine (BromAc) synergistically inactivates SARS-CoV-2)

Another article on bromelain alone suggests it may be beneficial in fighting blood clots….

6.4. Effect on Blood Coagulation and Fibrinolysis

Fibrinolysis is the enzymatic breakdown of fibrin in blood clots and secure clearance of clot fragments [81]. Bromelain effectively performs fibrinolysis and restricts coagulation of blood [82]. It exaggerates the transformation of plasminogen to plasma, which in turn hinders the synthesis of fibrin (a protein required in the coagulation of blood) [8]. The concentration of fibrinogen in serum is also reduced by bromelain.

Of course, as a blood thinner, you need to look at possible interactions….

9.4. Possible Drug and Herb Interactions

Individuals taking antiplatelet or anticoagulant medications, including aspirin, heparin, warfarin (Coumadin), and clopidogrel (Plavix), as well as nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) as well ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil) and naproxen (Naprosyn, Aleve) should use bromelain only under the supervision of a practitioner. Bromelain should be used with caution by people taking supplements and herbs that augment bleeding risk, for instance, garlic and Ginkgo biloba. Experiments have proposed that bromelain may possibly increase the absorption of medications—including antibiotics (such as tetracycline and amoxicillin); chemotherapy drugs (such as 5-fluorouracil and vincristine); blood pressure medications (specifically, ACE inhibitors, such as captopril (Capoten) and lisinopril (Zestril)); drugs (such as lorazepam (Ativan), benzodiazepines, or diazepam (Valium)) that induce drowsiness; certain antidepressants; opioids (including codeine); and barbiturates (such as phenobarbital) [15].

Bromelain a Potential Bioactive Compound: A Comprehensive Overview from a Pharmacological Perspective

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8067380/

i forget
i forget
  B_MC
January 21, 2023 1:40 pm

Watched “blonde in the belly of the beast” interview McCullough last night. The mrna shot to hell detox isn’t looking good, since the newly gmo people just keep pumping it out, but he has his eye on a an ongoing study out of Japan using nattokinase to do something, maybe, about the clotting issues.

B_MC
B_MC
  i forget
January 21, 2023 2:15 pm

Nattokinase appears to be better than bromelain for existing clots….

Nattokinase is a protein-based enzyme made from fermented soybean, or natto. Nattokinase is considered to be the most potent fibrin dissolving enzyme out of more than 200 foods tested in various studies, according to “Medical Nutrition and Disease.” Nattokinase works in a similar manner to plasmin, which means that it dissolves fibrin within blood clots and scar tissue 2. Nattokinase also blocks the activity of PAI-1, a substance that is used in your body to stop the production of plasmin from its precursor plasminogen. As such, nattokinase promotes the formation of your body’s most efficient clot buster.

Bromelain is an enzyme extracted from pineapple and a well-known digestive aid, but it also contains a number of fibrin-degrading enzymes, according to “Biochemical, Physiological and Molecular Aspects of Human Nutrition.” Bromelain increases the conversion of plasminogen into plasmin and prevents the conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin 3. But unlike nattokinase, bromelain is not effective at dissolving blood clots that have already formed. As such, it is a powerful preventative remedy for excessive blood clots and one that is well-absorbed into your bloodstream.

There is also Serrapeptase

Serrapeptase is a protein-degrading enzyme isolated from the silk worm; it displays significant fibrin dissolving and anti-inflammatory properties, as cited in “Nutritional Sciences.” Serrapeptase, like bromelain, is effective for preventing blood clot formation, but not nearly as effective as nattokinase for dissolving existing blood clots

https://healthfully.com/proteins-to-dissolve-blood-clots-6575946.html

i forget
i forget
  B_MC
January 21, 2023 3:45 pm

& lumbrokinase

https://www.onedaymd.com/2022/12/lumbrokinase-vs-nattokinase-vs.html

soybeans, silkworms, earthworms – all more honest & useful & “lowly” than ….

B_MC
B_MC
  i forget
January 21, 2023 6:09 pm

!!!

Moreover, Lumberkinase is 300 times more powerful than serrapeptase and 30 times more powerful than nattokinase.

I would think anyone that’s been vax’d should look into these.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  B_MC
January 22, 2023 1:01 am

Many thanks for this information …

My doctors (PCP and Cardiologist) have been trying to put me on Coumadin for at least a decade … and I just won’t go there.

I’ve been getting a couple of TCM formulae as well as taking Nattokinase and Bromelain … and, knock on wood, I’m still doing well. I also ditched the beta-blockers and the calcium channel blockers my cardiologist put me on originally (2003) for my atrial flutter … the side effects weren’t compatible with my interstate truck driving requirements — so I went to a naturopath who devised a tincture formula that I’ve taken since 2004 … and my cardiologist has agreed that it keeps my heart strong and much more regular (haven’t needed my sinus rhythm reset via the paddles in almost 14 years).

Stay away from MDs and allopathic medicine as much as possible … the combination of Obamacare (that resulted in BigMedical purchasing nearly every private medical practitioner in the US) and the FauciFlu debacle of tyranny from the FDA/CDC/BigPharma Borg has destroyed any and all integrity that doctors (at least some of them) once had in order to conform and/or to keep their jobs.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Anthony Aaron
January 22, 2023 4:44 pm

AA, check out Dr. Cowan who wrote “Human Heart, Cosmic Heart.” My heart problems began 25 years ago with congestive heart failure, spending eleven days in the hospital. I did the pharma thing for a couple of years, but weaned off of most of it until now I only take Metoprolol, minimally. Cowan tells us that none of his heart patients have ever had a heart attack/stroke when taking Strophantin, which is from a plant. No blood thinner necessary! I’m 81 and doing very well, but I have afib 24/7. Still walking up steep hills every day! The Strophantin can be found on Cowan’s site for about $100 a bottle that lasts several months.

rhs jr
rhs jr
January 21, 2023 2:23 pm

The mRNA will sterilize, mutate, and give our livestock various diseases esp Mad Cow, AIDS, cancers, etc; starving US while making themselves richer; that is why Bill Gates and TPTB want to vaccinate them. We need to try them for Genocide, Insurrection and Treason last year.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  rhs jr
January 22, 2023 1:03 am

Just like cattle that’ve taken massive doses of antibiotics have resulted in humans that are also contracting ‘super germs’ and such — so this will result in humans being indirectly given the jabs … and that’s a feature, not a bug …

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Anthony Aaron
January 23, 2023 2:58 pm

Esp the Prion disease because Mad Cow isn’t completely destroyed by normal cooking like other proteins and microbes, and the cattle waste and the waste from slaughter are active in the soil for a long time.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 21, 2023 2:30 pm

There is no Sars-Cov-2. It’s a hoax.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 21, 2023 8:54 pm

Indeed.

To compel mass compliance with the actual disease: the vax:
.

CDC/FDA confess: they had no virus when they concocted the test for the virus

They confess: they had no virus when they concocted the test for the virus; they “contrived” a model by pretending to find what they wanted to find; it’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy This is the con and the crime that drove millions of lives, and economies, into ruin
MORE: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/?s=cdc+virus+not+available&submit=Search
.

DAMNING: Deborah Birx Admits She and Fauci Made COVID Rules Out of Thin Air, Hid Data (7.19.22)

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Hey, has anyone heard from Rochelle Walensky lately? Think she’s living with Jeffrey Epstein, or something?

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Anonymous
January 22, 2023 1:05 am

Jon Rappoport has been all over the fraud behind this since the beginning … 

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Anonymous
January 22, 2023 1:04 am

But … there has been something … and it’s had, except in the very old with several comorbidities, a survival rate without treatment beyond 99% … in fact, in the young (under 19), the survival rate is on the order of 99.97+% …

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anthony Aaron
January 22, 2023 10:28 am

Nope. 99.9997%

I.e., two orders of magnitude less than 99.97%

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1.full

That Ioannidis assessment does not account for comorbidities like childhood leukemia, etc, nor does it account for the CDC compelling doctors to list deaths as “Covid deaths”, nor the fakery with PCR “tests”, etc.

In other words, the risk of death by Covid for those under 20 is, and always was, ZERO.

Ginger
Ginger
January 21, 2023 4:33 pm

Complete control of all food is coming. More and more new laws. See tracking as in recent law.
https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety-modernization-act-fsma/fsma-final-rule-requirements-additional-traceability-records-certain-foods

Ordo ab cha
Ordo ab cha
  Ginger
January 21, 2023 9:00 pm

Hi Ginger….full control of everything.

Technocrats-At-Work: Medical Profession Implements WHO’s Digital Diagnosis Code For The Unvaxxed

Hackable humans at WEF: ‘We can decode faces in your mind, your PIN number to your bank account’

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Ginger
January 23, 2023 3:03 pm

When the FedCoin is the only money after Jul2024, they can control by rations what you can spend on food; I read that this is a problem in Australia already.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
January 21, 2023 4:40 pm

It would be nice to hear what HSF has to say about this article. Too bad Cow Doc isn’t still around.

Econman
Econman
January 21, 2023 5:22 pm

What could go wrong?

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Econman
January 21, 2023 7:10 pm

Everything and there isn’t any problem needing to fix.

World War Zeke
World War Zeke
  Econman
January 21, 2023 7:14 pm

Fading echoes of
Exodus 9:3-6

bigfoot
bigfoot
January 21, 2023 10:36 pm

China and Gates own lots of farmland in the U.S. And water rights.

“While discussing his Bill and Melinda Gates foundation connections and infrastructure, he had this to say about his foundation’s role in creating the COVID-19 vaccine and other ‘World Health Organization needed vaccines.'”

“We know how to work with governments, we know how to work with pharma, we’ve thought about this scenario,” Mr. Gates said in a recent interview. “We need — at least in terms of expertise and relationships — to play a very, very key role here.”

They are leaving a trail and one does not need to be an Indian to track ’em down.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
January 22, 2023 12:07 am

Go back about 6 or so months to when the ‘next gen’ jabs were being developed … based on the FauciFlu mRNA jabs … and how the FDA wouldn’t even require any human testing when utilizing the offshoots of that platform. That is how we’ve got a bivalent jab that was tested on just 8 mice … Is anyone concerned with that?

Given how the existing mRNA jabs have been found to shed — combine that with the notion expressed in the article about using that same technology for companion animals (and, in all likelihood, all pets at some point).

Bill from the Gates of Hell has been funding research into ‘jab one, jab all’ technologies — and they have been found to work in very large flocks of chickens … one chicken gets a jab and it spreads to the rest of the flock.

Bill already envisions utilizing this technology with people … that way we’re all going to get the jabs … all of them, all the time …

Where will this stop? It won’t … unless and until we decide not to comply with all of these directives … until we choose life over death … unless we choose freedom over enslavement …

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Anthony Aaron
January 23, 2023 3:11 pm

If anybody should die now, it should be the Evil people chosen of the “gods” to carry out Lucifer’s planned Holocaust of mankind, not the people of God.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 22, 2023 6:35 am

Why aren’t these soft handed psychopaths being dragged behind old pickups yet?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 22, 2023 10:38 am

Because they’re surrounded by well paid, highly trained men who DO NOT have soft hands.

But, go give it your best shot & be sure to let us know how it works out for you.

i forget
i forget
  Anonymous
January 22, 2023 12:16 pm

True.

Also true that these highly trained men are the merely organic precursors to the stuff Boston Robotics, etc, soft-hands are churning out.

And that bringing up the rear of this “Woolfpack” is alllllll the trained citizens.

Whose afraid of Virginia?

rhs jr
rhs jr
  i forget
January 23, 2023 3:13 pm

If it ever gets started, it it roll like a prairie fire…

Thunder
Thunder
January 22, 2023 7:22 am

Haven’t we been through this with Monsanto, Playing God with things you really do not understand is insanity.
Shut it down Now.

rhs jr
rhs jr
  Thunder
January 23, 2023 3:25 pm

A lot of times: Injecting people with Mercury to kill Tuberculosis germs. Injecting people with Tuberculosis germs to stimulate the immune system worked briefly. Flu shots during the 1918 Spanish Flu. Polio shots gave people two monkey viruses that caused soft tissue cancers like breast and prostate to increase in frequency. Two Crypto GMO gene sequences added to multiple foods that increase infertility in animals. As for the Cancer sequence, the Prion, the AIDS, snake venom, etc enhancements added to CV-19, TPTB knew all about them.