DeSantis Is Right About Ukraine

Guest Post by Kurt Schlichter

Ron DeSantis came out against our current blank check n’ hack cliches Ukraine policy, stating the indisputable truth that Ukraine was not a vital US interest worthy of risking World War III with Russia. The next day he was proven right when a Russian SU-27 knocked a US Reaper drone into the Black Sea. Hey, feeding Russians (and Ukrainians) into a meat grinder is all fun and games until we get dragged into the abattoir too. Of course, all the right people got really mad about it – when Bill Kristol, Adam Kinzinger, David French, Max Boot and Mitt Romney are all for something, you need to be against it. Hardest hit was the GOP establishment – it was very sad because the governor refuses to be dragged along into cheerleading yet another massive foreign policy failure.

And this Ukraine policy of feeding the fire in perpetuity will lead to yet another massive foreign policy failure. Massive failure is all our foreign policy elite knows. Name one of its successes since 1993. Don’t say the Abraham Accords – that was a huge success and had nothing to do with our foreign policy establishment. It was Trump outsiders who did it. The foreign policy establishment brought us Vietnam and Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. It brought us debt, blood, and humiliation. Yet, astonishingly, perpetual nimrods like Mitch McConnell John Cornyn and Lindsey Graham still defer to these utter losers.

But not Ron DeSantis. And he will be vindicated by the time he wins the nomination. Same with Trump should he win the nomination, but everyone expected him to say what he is currently saying – they were hoping that the Great Not Orange Hope would side with Team Sap and he rejected them. Ron DeSantis – who served in Iraq and saw the failure firsthand – has rejected the Beltway consensus. He’s a bit ahead of most of America now, but after another year and a half of this madness he and the American people will be in synch. If he wins the nomination, he will be an anti-war Republican against a pro-war establishment Democrat.

Americans are not pacifists, but they are sick of failure, and that’s what Ukraine is looking to become. Most Americans feel that Ukraine is corrupt, which it totally is – I saw it personally. They feel sympathy for the Ukrainians, as do I (I trained Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine for the Army). And they agree with DeSantis that this territorial dispute – which it is – is not a vital American interest that overcomes other priorities and that is worth endless treasure and maybe even blood. We generally hope Ukraine wins, but this is not our fight. Nor is the war likely to spread to NATO countries where we have treaty obligations – the idea that we need to retake Crimea so the Russians don’t show up in Berlin, much less London, is ridiculous. Americans are not prepared to put up with this conflict forever, but forever wars that culminate in embassy helicopter evacuations and people falling off C-17s are what the Beltway buffoons do.

Here’s the ugly fact: This war needs to end in a negotiated peace, one that the Ukrainians are not going to like. The Ukrainians have held the Russians back because they are tough and because we give them enough ammo and gear to do so. But they also succeed because, so far, the Russians have sucked. Their equipment, leadership, and morale stinks. Now the front lines are relatively frozen. It’s nearly WWI-like in some areas. We are not looking at sweeping maneuver warfare but static trench fighting. This eats up men and equipment. We can feed Ukraine more ammo and gear. We cannot feed them more men, and the locals are not buying the propaganda and cheery dance Tik Toks from the front.

The Ukrainians are running out of troops. Russia, however, is much bigger. It has more bodies (even though many have fled the country). And it has a history of coming back from setbacks. Napoleon got to Moscow. Then he got driven out. Hitler nearly got to Moscow. Then he got driven back to the Brandenburg Gate. The Russians will fire their ineffectual generals and replace them with solid killers. They will reconstitute their equipment and build new and better armaments. They will train up new forces. To break the stalemate, one side is going to have to generate massive combat power that can shatter the enemy lines. If you are betting that the Ukrainians will do that first, you probably double-down on a 16.

Barring a peace treaty or some bizarre black swan event like a meteor flattening the Kremlin, the best case in the fall of 2024 is that the stalemate continues. The second worst case is that a Russian offensive drives the Ukrainians back. The very worst case is that a Russian offensive drives the Ukrainians back and the geniuses who brought you Baghdad and Kabul pour in American forces to try to stop the Ukrainian collapse.

DeSantis has taken the smart strategic position and the smart political position. He has shown leadership, because the American people will soon come to be where he is now, and they will do so around the time when the election gets into high gear.

The Ukrainians have to do what the Ukrainians have to do – I do not blame them for trying to wring dough and bombs out of Uncle Sucker. Nor am I upset that they appear to prefer to fight and die rather than enter into negotiations that will leave Russians on their territory. I get it. They are patriots supporting their country. But we normal Americans are patriots too, and our country is the United States. We expect Ukraine to pursue its national interests, but we expect America’s leadership to pursue America’s national interests. And it is in our national interest to get this war ended, even if it means Putin holds ground his forces conquered.

The whiners will whine that this is a betrayal of Ukraine. It’s not. We cannot betray a country that it not our own. It is instead a rational and ruthless bit of realpolitik – we must pursue America’s interests, not Ukraine’s. Ending this war is in America’s interest.

Again, I support Ukraine in both the abstract and practice – I would give them some aid. Ron DeSantis would too, just not aid that could expand the war. But it is clear that now America’s national interest is in forcing peace down both belligerent’s throats.

We have lacked a coherent strategy throughout this whole debacle. All we have done is employ reactive tactics. This has led to a stalemate in Ukraine, Russia and China growing closer as allies (and uniting with other enemies like Iran), and the depletion of European war-making capacity. Time to identify our strategic objectives. Our main objective should be to degrade China and maintain American supremacy. A supporting strategy should be to integrate Russia into the West to counter China’s rise. That means we need to get this war ended and start working to bring Russia into the West.

“Degrade Russia” is one thing we hear a lot. How about a strong, Western-looking Russia that can keep the Chi Coms from taking all those sweet, sweet resources just sitting there in Siberia? The greatest foreign policy failure of the last 30 years was not Iraq or Afghanistan; it was the failure to bring Russian into the fold after the USSR fell. But our foreign policy hacks are so concerned with personalities – PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN! – they cannot focus on the world as it is and how to get it to what it should be.

Ron DeSantis gets it, and that’s why the people who have failed again and again and again are outraged at him. They were hoping they could co-opt him. Instead, when the election comes around the American people are going to be sick of this insanity and he will be right where they are – ready to move on from another endless war that only jerks like David Frum want.

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21 Comments
anonymous
anonymous
March 16, 2023 11:19 am

Of course DeSantis is correct on this issue.
When the fedgov screams Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine and sends multiple billions to their puppet, corrupt Zelensky and his pals, you know it’s the wrong side. And no one is keeping track of where the $$$ is going.

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lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  anonymous
March 16, 2023 7:13 pm

Just like the two 12 year olds in “Cocaine Bear”. Except they used a pocket knife to “eat” it. Spit it out.

If you haven’t, go see it tomorrow. It’s a HOOT!

anonymous
anonymous
March 16, 2023 11:20 am
Jackie Puppet
Jackie Puppet
  anonymous
March 16, 2023 6:57 pm

Hyatt’s owned by the Pritzker family – the same family that has fat fuck JB as the democrat gubner of IL.

JB is no fan of DeSantis, and perhaps DeSantis was also taking a shot @ JB, because one of JB’s cousins is a shemale.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Jackie Puppet
March 16, 2023 7:15 pm

Pritzker = KM.

Leah
Leah
  Jackie Puppet
March 16, 2023 9:13 pm

JB is a POS who allowed his wife to travel to FL while demanding everyone else in IL stay locked down. He claimed it was no one’s business and he was using his family money. Rules for thee MFers.

Iggy
Iggy
March 16, 2023 11:27 am

It doesn’t matter if you are for it or against it . The American people have always been against it until the govt drags em in with a contrived event.

bucknp
bucknp
March 16, 2023 12:08 pm

Who knows I’ll bother to “vote”. Something tells me however that DeSantis is not into entertaining LGBT over there in the governor’s mansion.

Paleocon
Paleocon
March 16, 2023 12:09 pm

If Kurt thought DeSantis really got it, he wouldn’t have written a full-throated defense of what DeSantis did not say.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
March 16, 2023 12:14 pm

We went over this yesterday. Ukraine will be in the rear view mirror before the first primary. The time to stop the next US war (whether proxy or direct or both) is now, because that war is with China – you know, that country on the other side of the world that has virtually zero history of conquering or colonizing anyone.

Let’s see ol’ DeSantis The Chameleon start calling bullshit on the recent American PR scare campaign about China. “Oh – a balloon!” “The Uighurs” “China is dominating the South China Sea”.

The US’ official policy for over 40 years has been that Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan never even pretended to be a separate country – that’s why they called themselves the Republic of China – because they claimed to be the true rulers of all of China. We are never going to stop China from eventually ruling the island right off their coast that mostly speaks the same language, shares their culture and whose biggest trading partner is mainland China. So we need to tell idiots like Pompeo, Pelosi, Pence and Schlichter to blow it out their ass. There are two paths regarding Taiwan:

1) We tell Taiwan to make nice with Mainland China because we’re not going to defend them. So they need to cut the best deal they can and be like Hong Kong – not perfect, but not all dead. or …

2) We delude Taiwan (like Ukraine, South Vietnam and Afghanistan) into thinking that we can and will defend them, a huge war erupts, killing (at a minimum) tens of thousands on both sides, after which China ends up ruling Taiwan anyway. And that’s if we don’t get nuclear war.

#1 is the rational choice, so we’ll go with #2.

flash
flash
  Iska Waran
March 16, 2023 12:22 pm

“My solution to the problem would be to tell them frankly that they’ve got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression or we’re going to bomb them back into the Stone Ages.” —General Curtis E. LeMay, in his book Mission With LeMay, 1965.

“It’s silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home for Christmas.” —Ronald Reagan, October 10, 1965, interview with the Fresno Bee during his California gubernatorial campaign.

“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.” —AP correspondent Peter Arnett quoting a U.S. major on the decision to bomb and shell Ben Tre on February 7, 1968 after Viet Cong forces overran the city in the Mekong Delta forty-five miles south of Saigon during the Tet Offensive.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
March 16, 2023 2:21 pm

“War is the health of the state.” ~ Randolph Bourne

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT By R.J. Rummel
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel

Ken31
Ken31
  Anonymous
March 16, 2023 3:49 pm

To the Jew, it is not a lie if you believe it.

flash
flash
March 16, 2023 12:18 pm

SG01: From Darkstream 1013 — “The more someone looks like a messiah, the more we should be worried they are an antichrist.” — Let those longing for a solution via Great Men take heed.

Discernment and the Lack Thereof

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BL
BL
  flash
March 16, 2023 1:35 pm

That should be posted daily Flash. There is no way to excuse that.

bucknp
bucknp
  BL
March 16, 2023 3:37 pm

Where does Thomas Massie stand in this bullshit? I just glanced at an article he attended some kind of Jewish political expression or CPAC? Don’t let him go by the wayside.

Second thought, does it matter? Thomas may be a single lone ranger opposed to the work of the devil.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
March 16, 2023 2:22 pm

Why treasonous Zionist vermin should never be allowed to hold US public office….evah!

Stucky
Stucky
March 16, 2023 3:07 pm

“But they [Ukraine] also succeed because, so far, the Russians have sucked. Their equipment, leadership, and morale stinks. Now the front lines are relatively frozen.”

Schlichter the Schitthead is the dumbest motherfucker that appears REGULARLY on TBP. I don’t know why Admin keeps publishing this moron’s opinions. Most TBPers don’t like that faggot, and it would be nice to see his articles have zero comments.

I get the feeling Schlichter the Schitthead would suck Desantis’s dick if he had the opportunity.

Who gives a rat’s ass what Desantis has to say at his point in time? Once he wakes up and smells the roses … that he can’t win Jack or Shit unless he’s 100% pro-Ukie, well, he WILL change his mind. All politicians are like that.

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At any rate the NJ Shit Ledger, USA Today, and the NY (com)Post have been tearing Desantis a new asshole for several days now, and multiple opinion pieces. The usual bullshit … Desantis is pro-Putin, a Russia apologist, a horrible person for even suggesting we reconsider what we are doing, and that Putin is “the most evil dictator on the planet”, and that despite what anti-war people say, OUR freedom her in the USA!USA!USA! depends on Russia losing in Ukraine, and that Desantis is too much of an ignorant “isolationist” to realize Russia must defeated in order to direct our full attention on China, and blah blablah blapbiddy fucken blahblah ….

…… in other words the vast MAJORITY of people/institutions in this country who decide who dies in which war and when are sickass motherfucken Satanist bastards. They WANT a war and, by golly, they are going to GET a war!!

This is why I pray and hope (literally) that Putin drops a nuke on D.C. …. although I will miss the Smithsonian museums (except the fucken Holy Cost museum run by the Loos.).

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
March 16, 2023 8:18 pm

I don’t know why Admin keeps publishing this moron’s opinions

For the same reason The Party in 1984 held The Two Minute Hate.
Besides, it’s good to keep track of where the average right-of-center normie’s thoughts are.
Dwelling among TBPers might lead one to think that other people think as TBPers think. They don’t. It helps keep one’s feet on the ground to remember that, and to see the disconnect in written articles.

Think of it this way: if Admin posted some leftist’s articles in Schlichter’s place, there would be projectile vomiting, aneurysms, and outright strokes among the commenters, and then who would you have to complain to?

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
March 16, 2023 10:46 pm

Earth to Schlichter. Come in Schlichter…

overthecliff
overthecliff
March 16, 2023 11:39 pm

All those assholes who want to help Ukraine should go over there and uniform up.