Russia: The United States Is At War Against Us

Via ZeroHedge

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in fresh statements made to reporters has said the Untied States in waging war against Russia through the Ukraine proxy war.

Lavrov in the Russian-language comments described that Washington is not only transferring some $100 billion in military aid to Kiev, but is actually controlling its decision-making. He further said this is in order to try and inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia.

The top Russian diplomat was speaking on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum on Sunday morning. “No matter what it says, it [the US] controls this war, it supplies weapons, munition, intelligence information, data from satellites, it is pursuing a war against us,” he said, according to a translation.

“While what is going on is that Ukraine has been prepared, has long been prepared for inflicting strategic defeat to Russia using its hands and its bodies,” Lavrov emphasized.

He in prior comments Friday had said the US is also waging a global effort to isolate Moscow, and that this was the intent of the recent Saudi-hosted Ukraine peace summit.

“There is a real plot around the topic of the so-called (peace) negotiations, as well as attempts to turn everything upside down through pseudo diplomacy,” he said Friday. He explained:

“The West has been saying for months that this ‘peace formula’ is the only basis for negotiations. It starts from innocent topics … and then comes to the purpose for which it was concocted – inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia, to restore the borders of Ukraine as they were in 1991, court-martial the Russian leadership, force Russia to pay reparations, and then ‘mercifully’ agree to sign a peace agreement.”

He then suggested it’s a pattern in dealing with other countries as well: “These are exactly the dirty methods that the West uses not only in relation to Ukraine but in many other areas of global politics,” Lavrov stated.

Meanwhile, the White House appears to be on the cusp of approving long-range missiles, the ATACMS, which has a range of 190 miles.

And yet, dangerously, it’s become quite clear in the last several months that Ukraine will continue seeking to strike cities and bases inside Russia. New long-range missiles from Washington will without doubt make this easier for Kiev to do, risking more severe escalation which could eventually see direct Russia-NATO clashes.

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27 Comments
Bob
Bob
September 19, 2023 6:43 am

I pray for peace. I have studied war. War brings two things, death and destruction. If the rag-tag bunch of psychopaths’ in Washington want it so badly then they should gird their loins, grab a fistful of steel and march out onto the plains of Ukraine and challenge the Russians themselves. Leave the rest of us out of their fantasies of world domination and conquest. It is enough for me to brave the winter day that has become my life so as to prepare for my looming fate of eternity in peace. I hope the Lord spares my children and grandchildren from these madmen.

Anon
Anon
September 19, 2023 7:53 am

If Ukraine hits inside Russian territory, doesn’t that mean Russia is quite weak? If Russia is so strong, how can they allow Ukraine to kill people inside Russia?

Trumpeter
Trumpeter
  Anon
September 19, 2023 9:15 am

Discipline! Will power, focus!

The goal is to prevent missile systems in Ukraine, prevent admission to NATO, demilitarize and eliminate the NAZI’s.

They are winning and have been winning all along. We are witnessing the destruction of the third army since February of ’22. The dead number over 400,000. The dead to wounded ratio is crazy because Ukraine doesn’t try to save the wounded. Either they won’t or don’t have the manpower to evacuate treat and rehabilitate the wounded, and so they die, lying where they fell. The world started noticing all the fresh dug graves in Ukraine so orders went out to force troops to sign permission to be cremated near the front and their remains scattered.

Along with the human cost comes the loss of every military system we have sent. Nothing works because it was not designed to work, but instead it’s purpose is to generate cost overruns big enough to finance the necessary bribes to Congress (don’t forget 10% for the big guy) to make the whole scam work. Let’s be sure to throw in such complicated maintenance as to require contractor provided personel for high fees.

The Russians don’t have to respond to pin pricks of annoyance. Flying drones into Moscow apartment blocks (while kind of like 9/11) won’t change the war. Neither has the Patriot, Leopards, depleted uranium, M777, Javelin or any other toy. Even worse, the Russians are now experts and dealing with western weapon systems and strategies, while we are babes in the woods by comparison. Further, what would we fight with. We are OUT of artillery ammunition, bought out the stockpiles from our allies and have scrapped the barrel with our old cluster munitions.

You might have think that our hands are full but NO! The genius’ who got us this far have plans for China after we kick the Russians ass. The world, in the form of Central Africa and Iran/Syria-Isreal/America might require a third and fourth front. With no one fit for service, or willing, I am just going to wait for the Sith Lords robot army to show up any minute now.

Meanwhile America has never been closer to uncivil war or economic collapse. With hate, poverty and injustice at all time highs it dells like wading thru knee deep gasoline while kegs of black powder are stacked up and using a road flare for a light – any minute now – Whoom!

But suppose that the economy here and in Europe doesn’t collapse. How are we going to make all these weapons of war? The factories where things get made are all torn down after decades of disuse. The people who knew how to make things with their own hands are long dead, and anybody trying in the last couple of generations has been roundly ridiculed. The machines that make machines and their operators, call tool and die, have left American and China, Germany and Italy are all ahead of us. Oh! And all the super special metals (rare earths) come from China or Russia (titanium) so there might be further complications.

But don’t worry, America! The super genuses who got us here have a plan! Of course it involves exterminating 90% of the people on the planet, sadly including YOU!

NO, I DON’T THINK THE RUSSIANS HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE PINPRICKS. They just have to keep on and stay calm. How can they lose?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Trumpeter
September 19, 2023 10:09 am

but but the experts say ukie is winning and that if russia was that strong they would have invaded and taken over ukie land a long time ago. So because they haven’t just proves russia is weak and losing.

So we have to send billions more of everything to the freedom fighters for democracy in order to win against the baby eating ruskies threatening our democratic, wholesome and righteous, society. Do it, for the children.

do i need the /s

Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
  Trumpeter
September 19, 2023 10:27 am

I await the day Ivan decides to touch off the entire stockpile of obsolete stuff like thousands of SCUDs on NATO marshalling yards on Pukraine’s border and a half dozen important sites in Pukraine.
Ivan should be very afraid. The 82nd AB, supposedly sitting forward deployed near the border may have the new whiz bang M5 rifle with the 12 inch barrel firing the $3 a pop 6.8×51 round operating at 80,000 psi that is much heavier and which allows them to carry a third fewer rounds. Of course the ammo is not available anywhere else in the world……FJB

jde
jde
  Trumpeter
September 19, 2023 1:20 pm

Ignorance is Strength!

If they want to exterminate most of humanity, why do you think it matters how many ukrainians die? You people are like Qtards all over again.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anon
September 19, 2023 1:04 pm

Mass suicide by both sides is neither strength or weaknesses, it is insanity.

With the technology of today you will never prevent attacks inside a country. This is a war of attrition to see which side runs out of men and money first. I am guessing that will not be Russia. Yes the US supports Ukraine, but when boys start coming home in boxes that will quickly change.And don’t forget Ruusia can hit the US homeland, even if it isn’t with nukes .

Shoigu Shrugged
Shoigu Shrugged
  Anonymous
September 19, 2023 3:03 pm

if clotshots dropping the young didn’t change anything, no one will care about bodybags

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  Anon
September 19, 2023 9:49 pm

There is simply no way to assure a 100% effective defense against Ukraines ability to make these kinds of attacks outside of perhaps removing the incredible restraint they have shown and just turning Keeeeeeev into rubble , something the Russians are completely capable of but seem not to want to do because they realize that someday they need to live with their Slavic brothers on the other side of the conflict . they simply wanted a new security framework with Nato and the US that didn’t include NATO and the US training an offensive army right on its border along with operating some 40 odd biolabs and potentially NATO missiles pointed at them from so close a distance that the infinitesimal reaction time it allotted them became reasonably , in my opinion ,what they consider an existential hell no for the survival of their nation, or worse , really than our own Cuban missile crisis would have been for us had we allowed them to put missiles there back then ?

Shoigu Shrugged
Shoigu Shrugged
  Simplecarpenter
September 20, 2023 12:23 am

You don’t kill a supposed 6 gorillion fellow slavs out of brotherly love.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 19, 2023 8:07 am

So, who’s the evil empire now?

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Anonymous
September 19, 2023 9:28 am

Let’s ask 500,000 dead Iraqi children. Or the Kurds. Possibly the Afghanis. Maybe the Syrians or Libyans…

Jdog
Jdog
September 19, 2023 8:40 am

The United States is at war with everyone, including its own citizens.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
September 19, 2023 11:26 am

Exactly.
In re the article title:
Hey, Russia,
Take a number.
Signed,
The American People

Tlate
Tlate
September 19, 2023 10:14 am

This is the next USA forever war. Unless it goes nuclear at some point of course. Milley has even stated that it could be going for a considerable length of time. The corrupt politicians need a place to launder money etc. etc. Looks like Ukraine is it for the foreseeable future. Especially as noted, the US sheeple have lost interest in Ukraine.

Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
  Tlate
September 19, 2023 10:31 am

Pukraine is essential to the profitability of the luxury yacht business, not to mention Swiss real estate.

m
m
  Tlate
September 19, 2023 10:46 am

“Forever” as in until the end of the US Empire, yes.

Jdog
Jdog
  Tlate
September 19, 2023 5:58 pm

Neither the US or Europe can tolerate this war going on much longer. It is bankrupting them both. Germany and the UK are already in recession, and France and Italy are not far behind.
Germany is being deindustrialized because they cannot run factories on US LNG at 4X market prices for pipeline CNG.
Food and energy costs are bankrupting the European middle and lower classes.
The Federal Reserve is draining its Reverse Repo account loaning money to the Treasury, and for this year the Fed has lost a trillion dollars. Even the Fed cannot continue to do that.
Once the reverse repo account is drained, the Treasury will have to resort to borrowing strictly from the bond markets, without the artificial bidding of the Fed to keep interest rates down.
At that point the borrowing costs to finance the Federal Debt will begin to climb as the Government borrows more and more money.
The Federal Governments ever growing need to borrow, will push up interest rates across board making Corporations unprofitable and mortgages too expensive to buy homes. It is very likely we will be looking a double digit interest rates by this time next year.
Banks are loosing money due to their huge 30yr Treasury portfolios, that they purchased with short term borrowing at near 0% interest rates. They are now having to refinance those short term loans at near 5% interest to pay for long term paper paying 2%. They cannot sell their Treasuries without discounting them and taking huge losses on the sales. Meanwhile their depositors are pulling their deposits to reinvest at higher interest forcing the banks to sell their long term treasuries and take losses.
At some point the stock market will realize this is a crisis situation and panic selling will begin.
At that point Ukraine will be the least of our problems, and the fake prosperity that people think we have will evaporate overnight.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  Jdog
September 19, 2023 9:55 pm

That’s about it , in my opinion anyway . Well done .

ursel doran
ursel doran
September 19, 2023 11:28 am

Zelensky sees the end is near as he is here now begging for more cash so he AND his pals can line their pockets with more and more, as the hundreds of MILLIONS he has grifted are just not enough to fund his retirement in his mansions in Paris and here.

You will know the war is over when he gets on his private jet and flies to one of his bolt holes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 19, 2023 1:37 pm

Ukraine War Realities of Conscription and Death

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EXCERPT:
You are six months pregnant. Kyiv is fitting you with a padded vst to ‘protect you when you are shelled’. Zelenskky requires you to model this innovation as some sort of PR stunt for the media so that the other thousands of pregnant women called into Kyiv’s suicide battles to die… will be protected by some cotton. You know it is a lie. You know you and your baby are going to die. But you must stand there, stoic, while your “President” Zelenskyy orders this so.

But the pain in your face is visible. The sacrifice of not just you but your womb, your baby.

You are seventy years old, your eyes are shot, your hearing is problematic and your knees are killing you – but Zelenskyy calls you into battle. He hands you a gun, a handful of ammunition, and dresses you in camouflage. Maybe you get a week’s worth of training. Maybe not.

Your grizzled face tells the story – you know you will die. So you pray silently. Hoping beyond hope that a miracle will stop the insanity.

Mercenaries don’t even look them in the eye. Emotion is akin to death. The old will be sacrificed first. But a pregnant woman can be a liability. So the foreign warriors know that she too – will become a sacrificial lamb. All that they can ask is that these deaths be quick and that somehow God will forgive them despite or because of – the circumstances.

Many mercenaries have died, their promised bounties never paid to the women and child they left at home. And an anger builds. Rage. They were lied to. believe in an illusion. And now the one of ten that survives knows they must go home to what is important. Without the wage that gave them purpose.

The War beneath the War. The wounded. Those who lost limbs. Those who can not make the images go white.

Yet somehow amidst the bombs and war and strikes, Zelenskyy is able to traverse to his villa in Italy, his house in Paris, his condo in London unimpeded. He flies to New York on private jets, to Saudi Arabia, to Africa threatening consequences if he doesn’t get more money – because MONEY means he can buy another villa on Lake Cuomo. Where his wife and children will be safe.

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
September 19, 2023 6:15 pm

That article is complete bullshit. NATO does not have 3.5 million troops. It also does not have the equipment, or ammunition to fight anyone. NATO has already shot its load trying to equip Ukraine, and could not sustain a real war for more than a couple of weeks. NATO tactics have proven to be a disaster and have resulted in nearly half a million dead Ukrainian troops. The US National Petroleum Reserve is nearly empty after Biden used it to try to buy votes, and Europe does not have enough oil to heat their homes. NATO has lost the war in Ukraine, and there is nothing NATO can do about that, and Russia knows it. The Ukraine military was the best equipped and best trained military in Europe and Russia went through them like nothing. If NATO puts boots on the ground in Ukraine, it will not be with the purpose of defeating the Russians, it will be to depopulate the NATO countries in an unimaginable massacre.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
September 19, 2023 9:03 pm

The entire article is untrue?

OK.

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
September 20, 2023 1:40 pm

The “entire” article does not have to be untrue for it to be bullshit. Only a preponderance, along with the intention to mislead the readers.

B_MC
B_MC
September 19, 2023 1:59 pm

News relating to missiles used or about to be used in Ukraine and about “Russian” ICBMs in North Korea

Ukraine

It is widely expected that in the coming week American president Joe Biden will announce the decision to ship American medium range missiles ATACMS to Ukraine. Discussions of this subject have been widespread in both US and European media. The focus has been on the range of missiles and whether their delivery will enable Ukraine to attack across the border into the Russian Federation itself for the purpose of destroying supplies and command centers there…

The advocates of shipping ATACMSs to Ukraine point out that its range, 190 miles or 300 km, is no greater than that of the Storm Shadow missiles which Britain and France have sent to Ukraine without prompting escalatory actions by Russia. However, that is to overlook the other side of the issue, namely the method of launch. Storm Shadow is an air to ground missile…

The logic of supplying ATCSMs is precisely in the launch mode, not the attack radius of these missiles. They are ground to ground missiles which are launched from mobile platforms similar in principle to the multiple rocket launchers HIMARS. In that sense, they are more difficult to find and destroy than a jet fighter.

North Korea

It has occurred to our journalists that North Korea presently possesses ICBMs capable of reaching the North American heartland, and as they pored over the technical characteristics of these missiles they noted that one seems to be very close in design to Soviet era missiles that were once the mainstay of the Russian strategic arsenal. I am speaking of the Korean rebranded Topol-M.

It is not surprising, therefore, that some folks in the States are wondering how is it that the Russians were able to get away with supplying the designs of the Topol-M to Pongyang without the United States raising a hullaballoo.

The answer, my friends, is in the inconvenient fact that those responsible for providing North Korea with production plans and technology for manufacturing the Topol-M were not Russians; they were Ukrainians…

Moreover, for the guidance system, the Koreans were assisted or copied a system developed by the Chinese. What this tells us is that if the Koreans should agree with the Kremlin on the purchase of one or another missile-related technology, its integration into their own production will be done by the Koreans themselves. The same may be said of technologies for construction and operation of nuclear powered submarines which the North Koreans are said to be looking for abroad.

News relating to missiles used or about to be used in Ukraine and about “Russian” ICBMs in North Korea