RFK JR. WILL DECIDE THE 2024 ELECTION

Not that the figurehead at the top of this crumbling empire of debt matters at this point, but I do believe RFK Jr.’s independent candidacy will likely benefit the dementia ridden corpse rather than the big beautiful orange vaxx man. The diehards will vote Republican or Democrat no matter what.

It’s the independents who will matter in several swing states. Most independents dislike Biden. In a two man race they would swing to Trump, even if they don’t particularly like Trump. Give them a third option as an FU to the uniparty and a large percentage will take it.

With the Democratic cheat machine still functioning as it did in 2020 and 2022, the worst president in U.S. history will be re-elected or his replacement – psychopath Newsom or Big Mike will take the helm as the US Titanic hits the iceberg and sinks in to the depths of history.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
November 5, 2023 7:53 am

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies… is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”
― Carroll Quigley – Tragedy & Hope

The song remains the same.

Archaeopteryx Phoenix
Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 7:57 am

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New Padraig Martin just dropped. Southern Nationalists are in control.

Padraig Martin
@PadraigMartin

A new racial dawn is rapidly approaching high noon

When the Baby Boom Generation passes away (that is increasing due to age), the political world will really become Fascism versus Communism. In many ways, it already is. But the Boomer Generation has held things in place largely because of their relative size and political activism. The generation was also raised to hate both Fascism and Communism, while embracing soft-Marxist ideals. Almost all of them are soft Marxists.

What do I mean?

Marxism at its core shares two underriding principles. The first is economic. Essentially, everything is an outgrowth of economics, not cultural or genetic. Post-World War II education systems deemphasized cultural paradigms and hammered home economic arguments for or against greater or smaller government intervention. This led to political parties that defined themselves on taxes and spending.

Marxism “explains” that criminality is due to poverty not a genetic propensity toward crime. Financial well being ameliorates revolutionary desires. In essence, much of the world can be explained by economic actions. This is largely why Boomer voters tend to argue in terms of taxes and spending as political priorities while not understanding the impulses of black or brown voters (e.g., why black voters support the Democrats despite “record low unemployment.”)

The second element is democracy. Marxism advocates more democratic participation. Again, the idea during the Cold War was that the Soviet Union restricted democratic activity while the good guys – Americans – expanded democratic participation. The Trojan Horse of Marxism has always been the perception of greater freedom hiding the tyranny of the masses within the belly of the policy. The fact is, democracy can only work in genetically homogenous societies and even then, it fails. Thus, your Founding Fathers were opposed to it. Ask Boomers what makes America great and they will say we are a democracy and have freedom. The United States thrived when it was not as “democratic” or “free.”

The combination of the two Marxist ideals – economics as the root of all matters and democracy as the tool to achieve freedom – are so deeply intertwined within the Boomer zeitgeist, it is almost impossible to root out. Thus, bringing real solutions to our current problems, such as those that worked in 1920s Italy, 1930s Germany, 1970s Chile, or 1850s America, will be opposed by Boomers who consider themselves politically left OR right. Both are essentially arguing two sides of the same philosophical coin.

Meanwhile, an emerging break is occurring, led mostly by GenX influencers and fought amongst Millenials and GenZers. They know that economics does not explain everything and democracy may not be a good thing. They see, and more importantly live within the racial realities that break the Marxist paradigm.

The future fight, therefore, will be one that pits non-White Marxists who are on the verge of conquering the West and taking what they want from their previous White overlords versus Whites who galvanize (bundle) together to form fascist coalitions, even if the term is not specifically used. This divide will grow deeper as more Boomers pass away. Ultimately, this will yield a new crop of political actors who will lead one group or the other. It is at that point, with the old systems broken, that an all out war will result domestically – likely triggered by a White Marxist “ally” to brown people and Whites being forced to coalesce for collective defense out of necessity.

Either way, the system is falling apart and Boomers are desperately holding on to power – from Trump to Biden/Obama to Schumer, etc – in an attempt to make their soft Marxist vision a permenant reality. The only reality is the fact that it is over. A new racial dawn is rapidly approaching high noon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 8:24 am

Think South Africa

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 12:33 pm

Yes, but here blacks are greatly outnumbered by whites and hispanics…more like Mexico…

Warren
Warren
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 1:17 pm

Lewiston, Maine HS soccer team.
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Warren
Warren
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 1:19 pm

Longley Elementary School cafeteria, Lewiston, Maine

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A9racer
A9racer
  Warren
November 6, 2023 7:45 pm

That’s a lotta Somalia

BL
BL
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 7:55 pm

Arch, that is crap…. P. Martin is not a southerner or he would see boomer cultural points. The criminality is due to poverty is a 100% joo psychology BS. Boomers did NOT create that mindset and that started with putting 25% of black males in jail for decades by the depop/limit black reproduction elites. Not that white southern boomers lost any sleep over black males being incarcerated because they commit 90% of the crimes.

m
m
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 8:30 am

LOL, and in that treatise the word ‘morals’ is never even mentioned…

Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 8:47 am

AP, I enjoy his writings and had actually read that before coming over here. Martin’s work is very similar to Admin’s in that both not only see the breakup incoming like a flaming comet, they try to analyze it. Martin tends to analyze it from the cultural viewpoint while Admin does it from the financial viewpoint.

Regardless of the analysis, one would have to be a fool not to see major changes are coming very quickly and voting has little to do with them. Normalcy bias be damned! That is the pill that the Boomer cannot swallow.

I also read a nice piece on the Boers linked at WRSA. I think it has a resemblance to where we are headed in FUSA. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1720057831749984305.html

VOWG
VOWG
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 8:57 am

Slavery by any other name….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  VOWG
November 5, 2023 9:59 am

“Even when a slave master fights to prevent some other slave master from stealing his slaves, he is still no friend of the slaves themselves.”
― Larken Rose, The Most Dangerous Superstition
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/15750971-the-most-dangerous-superstition

“A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.” ~ Lysander Spooner

Anonymous
Anonymous
  VOWG
November 5, 2023 6:32 pm

Is peasantry

flash
flash
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 9:06 am

uh…oh …Evangiboomercuks no likey da’ truth.

Ginger
Ginger
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 9:34 am

‘while not understanding the impulses of black or brown voters…’
These peoples’s votes do not even matter, it would be their actions. They see no future planning further than maybe tomorrow. And all the millenials and generation xyz people are no better; weak and pathetic. In reality those in control do not care a whit about any of them either.
Wonder why a picture of General Patrick Cleburne was used, he was born in Ireland?

D K
D K
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 9:39 am

Wait until Biden gets 3 times the votes of the Americas population plus 10% because they have to be sure he wins, oh and the required 10% for the big guy makes this a done deal. Remember Orange man bad, and you know what they do to Kennedy’s. Same old song and dance…..

Warren
Warren
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 1:14 pm
hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 8:03 am

Please keep participating in the completely fake election process.

TYIA

Archaeopteryx Phoenix
Archaeopteryx Phoenix
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 8:22 am

Voting is yet another belief system perfectly analogous to spherical earth – everywhere you look, everything you observe, all deep analysis of it says that it is not operationally sound and in fact skews your judgement and worldview profoundly to your detriment, yet still people believe.

There is a reason both are pushed from childhood relentlessly into developing minds, because once enslaved, the chains bury themselves in your flesh as you grow, like a seal painfully enveloped in a discarded fishing net, the weave becoming enmeshed with the tissue growth around it, until removal is all but impossible.

Everywhere around us are seals in fishing nets.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 8:48 am

Great….another flat earther.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 9:00 am

No, he’s an Earth does not feel like it’s spinning at 1,000mph nor appear to be spherical Earther

No one really understands what shape or size it is, it’s all just theories, none of which can be proven.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 9:14 am

But that isn’t what he said, is it? Once again you KNOW what he really meant just like you KNOW everything. The Earth is not a PERFECT sphere but it is spherical.
OMG ….I’m not going to get into this ridiculous shit you with or your sycophants anymore, it’s a waste of time.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 9:50 am

Well I know him, personally, he’s a friend, so there’s that.

You don’t know what shape the Earth is, you just repeat what you’ve been taught. That’s okay, most people do, you’re not special.

You are right about one thing though, it is a waste of time to try and engage someone like me with an endless series of logical fallacies. It brings me a certain joy you cannot imagine when I see I’ve riled up a doofus. Old habits and all that jazz.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 10:02 am

It’s Sunday, preach and share your ego with your flock of sheep.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 10:23 am

ad hominem

You attacked your opponent’s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone’s case without actually having to engage with it.

There are 24 logical fallacies, collect them all!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 11:22 am

Talk about the photo you posted of a genetically malformed individual used to mock me, Mr. Perfect.
Do a deep dive into that you fucking arrogant asshole.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 12:14 pm

Night At The Museum Film GIF by 20th Century Studios - Find & Share on GIPHY

Lucretius
Lucretius
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 10:54 pm

I note that a meme recently posted showed the ‘evolution’ of women’s knickers from bloomers-granny panties to bikinis to thongs. My point here is that, and I’m just pholosbating here, but you can not get ANY more bunched than a thong other than a collapsed star… commonly known as a black hole… think of a brown starfish flossing. just saying.

L.

Are you chaffing dear?

Lucretius
Lucretius
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 10:45 pm

HSF,

do these logical fallacies come with the crappy kiddie meal spoon fed slop? I’ll start collecting tomorrow, or not…

L.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 12:41 pm

Please enlighten us how your flat earth theory reconciles with the need to have towers for enhancing both line of sight and for radio and electronic communications. Why exactly is it they seem to need to place transmitters as high as possible when the earth is flat? ……. Crickets……

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Jdog
November 5, 2023 3:05 pm

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I am not a Flat Earther, have said it hundreds of times, but like a dog that returneth to its vomit, there it is again.

Once more for the cognitively impaired, I am a It Doesn’t Feel Like Its Movingist and a I Cannot See A Curvist.

You play your silly little radio tower games, I’ll just be over here not feeling it move and not seeing a curve.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 5:07 pm

I suppose because you cannot see air, or feel microwaves those do not exist either…. A few thousand years ago, some clever men, in places like Babylon and Ancient Greece, developed advanced mathematical theories such as geometry and algebra, in which they could derive what is unknown, from the calculation’s of what is known.
That was the beginning of science. It is comical that thousands of years later there are people still so ignorant they cannot understand such concepts.
I can remember when I was young, at the beach on the west coast how people would watch the sunset, and then scamper up the cliffs or climb the lifeguard tower so they could watch it again. 50 yrs ago, the people all knew why they could do that, and yet today people try to make you believe it will not work…. LOL

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 8:52 pm

You’re also a ‘what is a soil test’ guy, so…

BL
BL
  Jdog
November 5, 2023 6:51 pm

I’ll Take mountains/higher elevations on flat (not so flat) Earff for $500, Alex.

Churp…churp….churp

BL
BL
  BL
November 5, 2023 8:21 pm

jdog does not respond to a radio tower explanation……. churp, churp, jdog. Have to get radio signal over the elevations even on flat Earth.

BL
BL
  BL
November 5, 2023 9:26 pm

A downer does not count as a response, jdog. Waiting……..

Jdog
Jdog
  BL
November 6, 2023 11:06 am

Not at sea, why did the US construct towers several hundred feet tall on both coasts for Navy communications? They were some of the tallest towers in the world. I am sorry if you believe in a flat earth, but that is simply pure ignorance. It is so far off base it is moronic. I am waiting for anyone to come up with plausible theories of how seasons work, how day and night work, why ships and planes travel in an arc, and why this would be the only celestial body in the solar system that would be different. Anyone with a couple hundred dollars can buy a telescope powerful enough to plainly see every other planet and moon is a globe.
In order to come up with a plausible theory, all pieces of the puzzle must fit, and nothing fits a flat earth theory, that is what makes it a fools theory.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 11:05 am

it’s all just theories, none of which can be proven.

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I offered a reasonable solution some time ago. Which of course would prove that the Earth is a globe once and for all.

But then, it would take all the fun outta denying, naming everything fake and gay and arguing endlessly. More funner to just argue than to put money where the mouth goes.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 11:23 am

You and I have a very different concept of what serves as proof.

Besides we were talking about the fact that despite having a sensory system designed either by God or Evolution, it doesn’t work when it comes to the movement of the Earth. That’s problematic two ways. If you’re trying to prove something is moving, then the human sense for judging movement should come into play, only in this case it doesn’t, therefore 1) it isn’t moving, or 2) you cannot trust your own senses.

If you cannot trust your own senses, then anything you offer for a “proof” can be dismissed because you would be required to use some human sense to discern that proof, but you’ve just argued that human senses cannot be trusted.

I just don’t see how arguing against the entire human population’s complete lack of discerning the movement of the Earth seves as a proof that it is moving, but then people are still talking about elections as if they’re real, so I suppose they’ll believe anything.

I don’t see why this is so important to you. You know you cannot prove it absent abstractions, like mathematics- which are merely symbolic interpretations of ideas, not physical realities- or without using experiments which rely on human observations, a human sense that you try in the movement case to dismiss as unreliable.

I simply cannot understand how you can claim to have any case when you quite literally argue against your own position on this topic.

In the end, it doesn’t matter what shape, size or speed (or lack thereof) the Earth may have or be since A) no one is leaving and B) our senses are limited to a scope that the Earth exceeds.

But do try again, I always enjoy these little detours.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 11:31 am

…..” the entire human population’s complete lack of “…
Do you ever listen to yourself ?
Save on taxes and start a cult/ religion.
“Scrabbleism”: The worship of contrary thought to proven, peer reviewed, scientific facts and the deity of it’s origin.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 11:41 am

Are you saying that people can actually feel the Earth moving at 1,000mph and visually see the (alleged) curvature of the Earth or have you just repeated your original logical fallacy?

ad hominem

You attacked your opponent’s character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone’s case without actually having to engage with it.

fraizer
fraizer
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 8:26 pm

“…Are you saying that people can actually feel the Earth moving at 1,000mph and visually see the (alleged) curvature of the Earth or have you just repeated your original logical fallacy?…”

Have you ever flown in an aircraft above 80,000 FT? Yes, where the blue turns to black you can see the curvature.

Senses sense relative motion. If EVERYTHING is moving at 1000 MPH there is nothing to sense. But the trade winds, the Coriolis effect and the fact that an international flight plan must take into account both the curvature and rotation of the earth to be accurate belies your simplistic view.

General relativity is an incomplete and flawed theory. But without using it as a first approximation GPS does not work.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  fraizer
November 5, 2023 8:40 pm

Here’s video footage from 80,000 feet.

Watch at the 3:55 mark for the horizon.

Would you please explain why the horizon line as the camera turns, shows the horizon alternate between convex and concave?

In any video the lens must be taken into account.

Once again, you and I cannot see a curve, period. Video is not proof, it only captures what is seen through a lens and the shape of that lens affects the image.

I don’t know if I have a simplistic view or a complex one, I only know that some things cannot be proven, only theorized. And any opinion you or I have on this matter is only conjecture.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 6, 2023 11:08 am

People cannot feel speed. That is a fact. You have no sensory faculties for speed.

A9racer
A9racer
  hardscrabble farmer
November 6, 2023 8:17 pm

After a few beers, I am VERY sensitive to the Earth’s movement…

anon a moos
anon a moos
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 11:33 am

Ummm Its not about sensing movement. Don’t give a rats hiney about whether we are moving or not, but it is entirely about whether the Earth is a globe or not.

Its about boarding a plane. Perhaps you don’t recall that proposal. Which is entirely about visual confirmations, unreliable in your estimation, about passage of time, another unreliable construct I suppose, and using math(sigh) for distance/fuel consumption ratios, etc.

All that was countered was, to expensive, not true as I posted charter rates. Wouldn’t be allowed to overfly the Antarctic and the super secret ice walls and alien bases. and a few other excuses.

So no, it is a provable theory but the will to disprove and settle the argument isn’t one ANY of the flat earthers want to undertake. Thanks for playing.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 11:48 am

No, it isn’t just about whether or not it is a globe, it’s also about it moving at 1,000mph.

I didn’t come up with these theories, I’m simply not accepting them as fact. And those who argue for the globe theory are also on board with the spinning theory. At least I have never encountered anyone who has posited a stationary globe theory- not that that isn’t just as unproveable.

And I do recall your experiment, but since you posited it, you should be the one to carry it out, not me. That is, after all, how this works. Your theory, your proof.

I am under no obligation to accept it as a truth and while I appreciate your thesis and the experiment that might give it credence, it’s not a proof.

Edit to add:

I jjust went into the basement and dug up the old Rand McNally globe I bought for my son about 20 years ago. I got out a piece of thread and duplicated the Santiago Chile to Syndney Australia flight path as shown by the airlines that fly that particular route (Quantas/ LatAm) and proved that it is longer than if it were to cross Antartica.

Why do you suppose they fly further and burn more fuel rather than conform to the shortest flight path based on the globe?

I found site that tries to explain it, but none of the explanations make sense.

4 Reasons Planes Don’t Fly Over Antarctica

Lack of infrastructure? Flights cross the Pacific Ocean which has no infrastructure and for greater distances.

Lack of visibility? The Center for Atmoshpheric Studies claims that only cirrus clouds occur at those elevations and those are made of ice crystals, not water vapor and pose close to zero visibility issues. Not to mention the factt that commercial airline pilots must be instrument rated.

Weather conditions? Problems such as de-icing are only concerns when it comes to take offs and landing, not when a plane is in flight.

from Travel Magazine, 2018-

“But it isn’t the cold that’s a problem for most aircraft. After all, commercial airplanes can cruise at an altitude of nearly 40,000 feet, where temperatures hover around -70 degrees Fahrenheit.”

That’s 30 degrees colder than the suurface of Antarctica, so weather conditions don’t enter the equation.

Emergency landing? Where does a flight from LA to Hawai’i land if they develop complications?

It makes no sense.

I’ve got to get to firewood, my easy going morning is over, but look, it’s been fun, no hard feelings at all.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 11:58 am

FOTFLMOA!!!

By your OWN admission you are saying that it is MY responsibility to carry out this proof of concept, and in the very next breath saying you are under zero obligation to accept any of whats discovered, as proof. WOWSERS.

You connect the globe to motion and then discount both in one fell swoop. Thats called a strawman argument, a fallacy. Just in case you weren’t up on fallacies.

Bottom line is IF the Earth is flat or a globe, it calls into question either of the premises. If one is true and the other false, then the one thats false further premises cannot be trusted. I would think you’d be interested in truth, but apparently not so much.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 12:01 pm

Only Hardbabble knows the truth and it is only he, that is qualified to share it.
Amen

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 3:07 pm

Didn’t really take to logic or reason, didja?

I’ll say it real slow this time-

You posit a theory, it’s on you to prove it.

If you discount human senses, you may not use anything requiring human senses for your proof.

Was that concise enough for ya?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 3:23 pm

Can you prove this ?……
THE BEST DAMN MAPLE SYRUP ON THE PLANET
Until you can, I would file that under false advertising.
Mean what you say and say what you mean professor.
Was that concise enough for ya?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 12:35 pm

To answer your edit:

The main reason there are no flights over the Antarctic is purely economical. Not enough people traffic to justify a route, nothing to do with weather, cold or emergency procedures. Just money. Seriously.

I worked in Marine Operations, moving cargo, bulk, to all points on the globe. When you look at shipping traffic it mostly goes east/west, for a reason. population densities, to put it in simple terms. So from S America to Australia, not enough people ( cargo), moves between the land masses, means no money to be made.

When navigating the routes are plotted using the Great Arc, shortest routes. You see these plots with air traffic as well.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=c060c4

Using that link you can see the very obvious Arc with the long distance flights.

On a side bar there was the theory postulated many moons ago that the universe rotated around the Earth, heliocentric. I too haven’t met anyone that subscribes to that theory, nor likely.

As for hard feelings… I generally don’t entertain them let alone carry them. Have a great day.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 3:20 pm

OMG.

Go get a globe and a piece of string. Connect any of the places where flights from South America to Australia originate and terminate. Measure with your string. Find the shortest possible distance between those two cities. Is it across the Oceans, or is it across Antarctica?

The main reason there are no flights over the Antarctic is purely economical.

https://www.momondo.com.au/flights/south-america/australia#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20direct%20flights,Airport%20%2D%20Sydney%20Kingsford%20Smith%20Airport.

There are numerous flights daily between SA and Aus and they take a longer route, using more fuel, more wear and tear on the aircraft, more hours on the pilots and crew. How is that economical compared to the shorter distance crossing Anarctica?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 3:50 pm

Get a globe and look at it, examine it closely using all your god given abilities to sense and process stimuli.
Is it spherical or flat ?
Now, tie a string around the spherical globe and swing it around and hit yourself in the head with it.
Did you feel that? Are you SURE?
Prove it !

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 3:58 pm

I’m not taking sides (although I’m no flat earther), but that was hilarious.

😂😂

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Abigail Adams
November 5, 2023 3:58 pm

I’m here all week. Two shows on Friday and Saturday.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 7:52 pm

Prop comedy, the pinnacle of humor.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 8:55 pm

Get a globe study it carefully, cut the globe in half and discard one of the halves. You now have a flat top on a half sphere, superimpose the UN logo/symbol over the flat area…..what do you have? Now put a terrarium cover over the flat part/(firmament) like the bible describes. Which is closer to the biblical account, this version or the one you swung around and hit yourself in the head ? Everybody is a comedian.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 5:29 pm

The “polar region guide” published by the FAA on March 5, 2001, sets out a number of conditions that airlines must meet for aircraft that will pass through regions north of 78° north latitudes and south of 60° south latitudes:

– Determination of alternative airports to be used in case of an emergency landing on the route,

– An operational plan on how to ensure the safety and evacuation of passengers and crew in such a situation,

– Closely monitoring the temperature of the fuel throughout the flight,

– Active communication systems (VHF, HF and satellite link),

– Flight crews must receive special training for very cold weather conditions. And have two sets of special clothing to be used in situations that require them to exit the aircraft in the said region,

– Weather condition’s in polar religions is often much more severe, including the chance of wind sheer and turbulence.

_ Magnetic based instrumentation may not function correctly based on increased magnetic fields at the poles.

– Lack of infrastructure decrease the ability to make emergency landings in the case of mechanical or medical emergency.

– Increased risk of legal liability for taking unnecessary risks with passenger safety by not choosing the safest route.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Jdog
November 5, 2023 7:49 pm

Those conditions would disqualify travel over oceans.

e.g.
Determination of alternative airports to be used in case of an emergency landing on the route,

Lack of infrastructure decrease the ability to make emergency landings in the case of mechanical or medical emergency.

Rather than prove the point, it makes the decision even more suspicious.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 6, 2023 11:32 am

I will say this slow so even you can understand it. There are no alternatives to flying over oceans.
There are however alternatives to flying over the poles. If an airline choses a flight path that is more dangerous than an alternative, then they are legally negligent, because they are placing the safety of the passengers at additional risks for purely monetary reasons.
When, not if, a plane would have to make an emergency landing that would have otherwise been survivable, and the people all die from exposure and the abnormally long time, and difficulties involved to facilitate a rescue mission, the airline would be sued out of existence. The members of the board who made the decisions, would be personally liable, for both criminal and civil charges.
I am not sure what you think airlines choosing not to take more dangerous routes instead of safer routes proves, but it is hardly proof in any way the earth is flat….

fraizer
fraizer
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 8:47 pm

There is just no commercial advantage to trans Antarctic flights. Qantas used to fly an Antarctic route between Sydney and Johannesburg SA.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 8:56 pm

I’ve been wondering, how do you guys interpret the people of the Antipodes having divergent daylight and opposite seasons?

Lucretius
Lucretius
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 11:09 pm

OH GOODY, are we going to the HisenSTEIn uncertainty principle next! One of my favorite fallacies!

Personally, I like red headed women, hence the highly scientific term RCH!

PIECE, L

BL
BL
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 6:53 pm

No, you really didn’t…moos.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 12:32 pm

Horseshit. If you are really that stupid, spend 6 mos. on a ship, traveling the open seas and when you are done, you will know for a fact the world is round.
The stupidity surrounding flat earthers is really depressing. That people would believe something that can be disproved by a childhood science experiment is beyond belief.
The fact that old sailing ships employed crows nests to give them the ability to see further over the horizon than they could on the deck of the ship should be a small hint that the flat earth theory is something only a fool could believe.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 5, 2023 12:55 pm

Correct …..How far can you see horizon at sea level?
This is the distance to the horizon, in kilometres. That’s 4.8km for a person of average height standing at sea level and looking out to sea. From five metres higher up, at the top of a crows nest, the horizon would be almost twice as far away. Hardbabble does not accept this because nobody can or ever has proven this fact to his satisfaction.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 3:25 pm

Are you seriously discounting perspective?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 3:38 pm

Your perspective ? Absolutely.
( drops microphone and walks off stage )

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 6, 2023 11:34 am

Scientifically define perspective as it applies in this case…..

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Jdog
November 5, 2023 7:47 pm

spend 6 mos. on a ship, traveling the open seas and when you are done, you will know for a fact the world is round.

You cannot reason with that kind of evidence.

Jdog
Jdog
  hardscrabble farmer
November 6, 2023 11:38 am

What you cannot reason with if faith based reasoning. After negating every argument, the person ruled by faith, will simply ignore all the facts and logic, and admit that it is what they “believe” despite all the proof to the contrary. They are not exceptionally intelligent people.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
November 5, 2023 9:04 pm

dude, they know better. It’s a troll. I’ve met eyes-glazed-over christcucks, lizard-people believers, whatever else, but flat earth is always either a joke, a psyop, or people just too dumb/gullible to know what they are talking about.

I wouldn’t care if it was like a ‘birds aren’t real’ thing, if it wasn’t for the concerted effort to push the theory in recent years.

Lucretius
Lucretius
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 10:38 pm

HSF,

once one accepts that FACT that everything we’ve been taught/sold is a lie, it becomes much easier to ‘think’ outside the box. I have no intention or desire to enter the sphere/flat earth discussion unless TBP wants to crowd source a 787 to try and circumnavigate our (?) domicile, if so, I’ll bring beer AND gin! Please note, I’m a happy drunk!

Also, I’m NOT here to save anyone’s soul, that’s your problem, proceed as you see fit.

Peace out babies, L.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 11:45 am

It appears to me that Archie came in, dropped a bomb, then took off. Hilarious.

Look what you started, Archie.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Abigail Adams
November 5, 2023 12:09 pm

Stephanie would be jealous.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 7:01 pm

Abby- Arch brought up voting also. Try this on, Donnie Chump called my house tonight around 6:00 asking me to vote for a kneegrow in the Tuesday election. I would rather vote for flat Earth or root canals without pain killers. With my luck the kneegrow will get elected because the white guy running is in favor of cutting off dicks. How do you win in this satanic world?

awoke
awoke
  Archaeopteryx Phoenix
November 5, 2023 7:40 pm

Uhm it’s actually an oblate spheroid.

zappalives
zappalives
  hardscrabble farmer
November 5, 2023 9:57 am

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CCRider
CCRider
November 5, 2023 8:04 am

I felt all along, although I am a committed non-voter RFK could be a great monkey wrench for a diseased system. But I stopped listening to him after he ditched Kucinich because he didn’t like slaughtering babies.

formerly anonymous
formerly anonymous
November 5, 2023 8:11 am

I’ve been a registered independent since the 90’s and I’m not voting for any of these sociopathic liars.
The last time I voted for POTUS was Ross Perot. The only things I vote on are NO to all ballot measures that raise taxes for ANY reason and they always fucking pass anyway. The final straw for me was the 1994 Prop. 187 in Cal. which passed by a wide margin only to be thrown out by Fed. court as “unconstitutional”. Prop 187 basically said, if you have no legal documentation of US citizenry are not eligible for any social assistance or medical care or public schooling. Like I said, it passed, easily.
Voting = Suggestion box for slaves

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 5, 2023 8:17 am

The people who rig the elections decide the elections. Not this or that candidate.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 8:21 am

Then RFK definitely has no chance,

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 9:01 am

The only thing RFK has going for him is his last name. It’s the ONLY reason anyone pays any attention to him. Untold numbers of people say the exact same things.
“I am not going to take people’s guns away, but I believe in gun control myself.”
Translation: “I’m going to take guns away.”

k31
k31
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 3:16 pm

Controlling who the candidates are is just one of the ways elections are rigged.

BL
BL
  k31
November 5, 2023 7:45 pm

Which is why most of us don’t bother with the “Voting Game”.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 5, 2023 8:20 am

As an independent I would vote for Daffy Duck before any of the aforementioned candidates.
FogHorn Leghorn would make a great VP. The Poultry Party!

formerly anonymous
formerly anonymous
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 9:44 am

I would vote for George Jetson, he seems like a good problem solver.
Barney Rubble for VP.
The Hanna/Barbera Party

Anonymous
Anonymous
  formerly anonymous
November 5, 2023 10:19 am

The Great Gazoo always seemed a decent sort, who would always show up and save the day.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 6:36 pm

Dino certainly wouldn’t bite secret service agents

BL
BL
  Anonymous
November 5, 2023 7:47 pm

We could form our own TBP Party.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
November 5, 2023 8:24 am

The assumption being that he can get on enough ballots in enough states to make this happen. That is a gigantic hurdle that the two worthless parties have had in place for a long time now.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MrLiberty
November 5, 2023 11:12 am

The assumption underlying that assumption is the moral legitimacy of having a state at all:

“The truth is that any form of authoritarian control—any type of “government,” whether constitutional, democratic, socialist, fascist, or anything else—will result in a set of masters forcibly oppressing a group of slaves. That is what “authority” is—all it ever has been, and all it ever could be, no matter how many layers of euphemisms and pleasant rhetoric are used in an attempt to hide it.”
― Larken Rose, The Most Dangerous Superstition
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/15750971-the-most-dangerous-superstition

Even if the state were moral, it’d still be ineffective:
http://www.sobran.com/reluctant.shtml
“Hans-Hermann Hoppe . . . argued that no constitution could restrain the state. Once its monopoly of force was granted legitimacy, constitutional limits became mere fictions it could disregard; nobody could have the legal standing to enforce those limits. The state itself would decide, by force, what the constitution “meant,” steadily ruling in its own favor and increasing its own power.”

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”
― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2095916-no-treason-the-constitution-of-no-authority

The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
  Administrator
November 5, 2023 11:08 am

exactly this

Does anyone actually believe they won’t do the same thing they’ve “gotten away with” in the last several elections, since at least 2012?

Biden will win again, just to push the shame meter to 11, then they will replace him with ho cakes, and pick a new VP, who will then take over when they discard her.

Think it can’t happen? Remember Gerald Ford; no one elected him president, yet there he was, for the sole purpose of pardoning Nixon.

k31
k31
  The Duke of New York
November 5, 2023 3:18 pm

Your problem is you think it’s just “the last several elections”. The very system was designed to be manipulated.

foot in the forest
foot in the forest
November 5, 2023 9:18 am

I thought this as I read the title, IF HE LIVES LONG ENOUGH. Donald in a cell and another “tragic” Kennedy. That thought aside, while Mr. Kennedy has some decent ideas, I will not be voting for him. As for Padraig and his Hatred of all things Boomer, Tough Shit, when all the boomers are dead and gone, HE can have the blame for all of society’s ills.

zappalives
zappalives
November 5, 2023 9:59 am

More kennedy worship……………he can change parties all he wants………hes still a democrat at the end of the day.

anon a moos
anon a moos
November 5, 2023 10:08 am

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But this time is different, we’ll get them this time. Just vote moar better and harder. Squinting helps when making that election machine choice, makes it to hard for the commies to steal your vote.

foot in the forest
foot in the forest
  anon a moos
November 5, 2023 10:30 am

You and every other person gets one vote than cannot be ignored or changed. VOTE; 308 & FREEDOM

anon a moos
anon a moos
  foot in the forest
November 5, 2023 11:10 am

Racist hater

A9racer
A9racer
  anon a moos
November 6, 2023 8:22 pm

A person that hates racists? That’s a good thing, right?

ConservativeThought
ConservativeThought
November 5, 2023 10:46 am

What is going on in USA is replay of 1950’s CCP Cultural Revolution

The CCP paid traitors in govt, on school boards, and in universities are supporting policies

1) degrade our cultural ( Drag queen reading days and promoting mental illness of Transgenderism)

2) Trigger the next generation of adults to hate American values and seek democratic socialism thinly veiling CCP communism’s real agenda to take down our way of life

3) Flood the nation with over 8 million illegal immigrants to destroy of cities and towns with burden to provide housing, food assistance, and make them voters in turn to steal yet another election

4) Similar to 2020 election, where Antifa and BLM rioters terrorized Republican supporters everywhere, get ready for 2024 election year with PLA and Israeli protesting that turn into burning, killing and looting

World War Zero
World War Zero
  ConservativeThought
November 5, 2023 2:47 pm

Slight quibble, you describe more a Protocols of the Elders than an eventual “Deng Xiaoping to the rescue”.

fLOURFACE
fLOURFACE
November 5, 2023 11:07 am

Nonsense.

Lachesis Atropos
Lachesis Atropos
November 5, 2023 11:23 am

If Biden or any of the alternative democrats are elected in 2024 then it’s time to prepare for the end – and that’s the reality, it’s over. If by some chance RFK Jr. is elected, the outcome is the same. If Trump is somehow elected by the grace of God, there is a slight chance of restoring the Republic and it will at least give us approx. 4 years additional time to prepare. Why do I say slight? Because we first have to depend on Trump doing what needs to be done including declaring martial law – there is no other choice because the cancer must be removed. Second, the GOP is 90& corrupt and/or spineless. Personally, I believe we have less than a 10% chance at saving the country.

We did this to ourselves through our tolerance, apathy, complacency, and ignorance.

Jdog
Jdog
November 5, 2023 12:26 pm

RFK has screwed himself by his support for Israel. If he does not denounce Israel, he is done.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 5, 2023 12:39 pm

Damn ….still with the election write ups. TBP turning normie I guess. Still propping up the system and the election process as legitimate. Weak.

kiwi
kiwi
November 5, 2023 12:49 pm

Dr Shiva 4 president dot com

RonJon
RonJon
November 5, 2023 1:08 pm

RFK won’t change the outcome of the election because he won’t survive his upcoming accident. It’s a democrat thing.

Warren
Warren
November 5, 2023 1:11 pm

“Re elected”?

RonJon
RonJon
November 5, 2023 1:18 pm

Hillary says RFK won’t have any impact on the election because he won’t survive his upcoming accident.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 5, 2023 2:59 pm

You simply have NO faith in Democraps, I on the other hand have plenty. They are going to keep doing what they are doing, destroying the economy, running up the debt. pushing the CBDC, more shots a green lockdown while they ban gas stoves, gas heat, gas cars all while the border is wide open for the scum of the world to come and get paid by the foolish American taxpayer. Even Dems will wake up to the BS once it hits home. I have faith in Joe to do the wrong thing every single time he gets the chance. By the time we get to Nov. 24 even James Carville will be voting Trump.

Irate Nate
Irate Nate
November 5, 2023 3:28 pm

From the moment Biden was inserted into the White House, I was fairly confident he would never finish his term. By now, I am almost certain of it. He definitely will not be on the 2024 ballot. I don’t believe the left will go with Big Mike, so look for Newsom to step in once Joe resigns for “health reasons”.

A9racer
A9racer
  Irate Nate
November 6, 2023 8:25 pm

Assuming there IS an election. The left doesn’t really look too concerned about Biden.

Laura Ann
Laura Ann
November 5, 2023 3:33 pm

Nothing will get done no matter who get’s in. Those that understand globalism will sit it out, since all presidents are globalist puppets or they don’t get a pay check.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 5, 2023 3:54 pm

You should be able to see it if you have a brain, both parties work for the Jews and not for Americans. Americans are starving, losing everything and they also tell us that we will own nothing and the only food you will have to eat is bugs. They do not care about you and also have more vaccines to kill us with coming up. See how their masters in Israel hates the Palestinians, guess what you are next and have been. You can thank the Christian Zionist for all the power they have over our country, they will get the same reward from them as they have planed for us.

Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis
November 5, 2023 3:57 pm

No. If it looks as if the Dems won’t win, there will be no 2024 election. Bet on it. Lock downs are coming for the civil unrest coming…

poordude
poordude
November 5, 2023 6:17 pm

While RFK Jr is pretty clear thinking about a number of issues he is not on certain other issues – green and guns would be the two that stuck out to me. I do not at this point believe he will have a big impact on Trump voters.

The financial and social situation in America is going to get a lot worse between now and the 2024 election. What worries me more than RFK Jr is what is going to happen when the left/deep state figures out that they will not be able to steal the 2024 election without cheating so much that their election fraud machine will be exposed to such an extent that they will be unable to protect it. Local/State law enforcement would be forced to act. If people start getting arrested they will talk to save their skins and the entire machine will be exposed.

The left/deep state can not tolerate a Trump a win in 2024. So, what happens ?

BL
BL
  poordude
November 5, 2023 8:29 pm

If Trump wins in 2024, I guess we’ll be forced into the “Beautiful Shots” at “Warp Speed” again like last time. History repeats…… reeeeee.

A9racer
A9racer
  BL
November 6, 2023 8:30 pm

Were you forced? I certainly was not.

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
November 5, 2023 7:40 pm

Jr’s been out of the news lately so it’s good to see this poll here.
More than anything, I’d love to see voters voting their conscience rather than for their idea of the “winner” or those with the best chance of winning.
I’d love to see a Moderate in a fair election take the Presidency. I’d like to see how well Kennedy would do as President.

A9racer
A9racer
  Two if by sea.
November 6, 2023 8:32 pm

Maybe ask Santa…

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
November 5, 2023 8:41 pm

News sources are already planting the seed that RFK will take more votes from Trump, so it will be easy to explain how Joey wins in a runaway election, even though nobody likes him.

I still contend that Big Mike will be drafted at the DNC convention, giving the opposition only 10 weeks to put up the negative ads. Any ad close to the truth will not be allowed to run in major media, including social media.

BL
BL
  TN Patriot
November 5, 2023 8:46 pm

TN- It’s the Ross Perot trick again. Personally, I would not want any of them.

Lucretius
Lucretius
November 5, 2023 10:04 pm

In full disclosure, I did not read the article… because I know even less than I care about ANY polls! If these assclowns expect me to cast even a bowel movement their way, they’d best pony up at LEAST a six figure payday for ME!

VoAting is a suggestion box in the slaves Company cafeteria . They get what ‘they’ want and you get yer ass back to work.

Peace, and vote harder, that’ll fix it! This is fine, lol.

L.

Edit: I hope I included enough grammar and spelling errors to make this a successful meme!

Michael D Howard
Michael D Howard
November 5, 2023 10:39 pm

Or It could be the god Apollo’s man Donald Trump aka Emanuel Goldstein ala book 1984 also see

The Trump Tower

Allmhuran
Allmhuran
November 6, 2023 1:43 am

This article isn’t dated. I have to assume it was written prior to RFK Jr’s announcement that he supports reparations. Independendents are opposed to this. They will not support RFK jr.

Voltara
Voltara
November 6, 2023 4:07 am

If RFK manages to get on the ballot in every state as an independent it’s proof he is controlled and has been put into the race to split the independent vote with Trump.

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
November 7, 2023 3:02 pm

It seems junior’s game plan from the start was
to run as an independent to draw independents away
from Trump – a hedge against the cheating not
paying off a second time…
So a vote for junior is still a vote for the Democrats…