Secession Without Secession

Submitted by Dirtperson Steve

Guest Post by T.L. Davis

Minnesota wants to change its flag to one that more closely represents their Muslim population and specifically the Somali flag. I’ve had a couple of connections to Minnesota that alerted me to this secession of Minnesota from the laws of the United States, more than the union itself, but I can’t help but point out that any government that utilizes or allows to be utilized Sharia law rather than the laws of the United States in courts or society in general is guilty of disenfranchising their citizens.

I know, all of this falls under the Constitution, a document that sits under glass in Washington DC, but has little else to do with the daily functioning of the communist nation that has risen up and displaced the republic.

This all signals a separation from the union. In the case of Minnesota, it’s a signal of its Muslim minority, which might soon become a majority, seeking to effectively secede from the union without having to go through any official means of declaring secession. It’s a trend that has been taking place in New York, San Francisco and any other “sanctuary cities” where they separate themselves from United States laws they don’t like, even when they find their separation is a burden too difficult to bear and seek financial aid from the rest of us to make it bearable.

This is the insanity that has gripped the United States after several internal coups against the rule of law and replace it with the rule of power that we see playing out everywhere in the US today. January 6th protesters are charged with insurrection, but leftist/communist/Muslims take over the capitol during session and a few arrests take place, but nothing like the dragnet set out by the FBI for J6ers. That’s the rule of power. Any attempt to restore the rule of law, such as vacating the chair when McCarthy betrayed the whole Republican Party, is met with incredible pressure and the corruption of whoever is finally selected as the Speaker of the House. But that’s just under Republican control. This never happens under Democrat control, because they are the ones behind the coups, who benefit from the rule of power.

Viewed from the right perspective, it’s clear that the intent is to deny the people a voice in their government in violation of both democratic and republican doctrine. It is not “democracy” they seek, except as a validation of their stolen elections. Read the Soviet Union’s constitution and you’d be surprised at how closely it resembles the United States Constitution, not in all respects obviously, but if you recognize how the federal system has taken control of the means of production, you’ll understand why I call this a neo-communist nation when I want to be absolutely accurate.

This is how the United States comes apart. In fact, it’s how it should come apart and if governors had a better understanding of their place in history, they would not be so reluctant to separate from the United States. Almost all of the failures of the republic are caused by an increase in population. Representatives used to represent 30,000 people, now they represent 750,000 people. That gives each representative an extraordinary amount of power and dilutes the impact one person or group can have on their actions.

It makes the congressional delegation easier to control by fewer influences, because they represent huge blocks of citizens. It’s to the point that one powerful organization can control nearly a million people by supporting one individual. That’s insane and renders the voices of the masses irrelevant. It’s even worse in the Senate, now a popular vote, they represent up to seven or eight million. The federal government was designed for a population of three million.

Recognizing that nothing will ever change in the federal makeup of the congress, because they would be asked to dilute their own power down to that of basically a state representative, it has simply become too big and too powerful to be maintained except through corruption or diligent obedience to the Constitution. We know which one they chose.

Refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws would immediately remedy the lack of representation the average American needs and deserves. When states like New York, California and Texas have economies larger than most European nations, it’s hard to understand why they remain tied to a corrupt and largely incomprehensible federal government.

We are a people accustomed to self-government, who know how to provide for ourselves, who can decide for our own states what our culture will be. If states like Minnesota prefer Sharia Law, they can drown in their own sewer without spreading the stench to every other state as they do under the federal system.

The states are too big, too diverse, too independent of thought to need or want some overarching level of governance to tell us what must be done in our own states. Much like the European Union provides some benefits, but not enough to remain intact for very long as once independent nations decide that their dictates are too damaging to their own economies, they will break free of it and it will dissolve.

In the case of the United States, all states have their own constitutions. Some have already exerted their sovereignty and others can as well. State legislatures and governors reflect back to the idea of a civil war resulting from the last attempt at secession, but as Minnesota has recently demonstrated an official declaration need not take place. One just has to work around it, the way the congress does the parts of the constitution that limit their power.

All that needs to take place is for a few states to recognize that they are fully capable of their own defense, their own energy, electric capacity, etc., or can get it from a similarly situated neighbor. Right now, the only thing the federal government offers the individual states is barriers to their own resources, barriers to their own ideas, their own methods. If states try to do something in their own interest that will prove the federal way of doing things is ineffective, they will be showered with action from every federal agency from OSHA to DHS. That’s not how this is supposed to work.

In previous times, the United States Government offered something to the states, a strong military, a healthy economy, a secure border, etc., but they don’t anymore. Their CRT and gender policies have dramatically weakened the fighting force and demoralized the exact type of people who made the fighting force strong. They’ve spent fiat dollars to the point of bankruptcy held off only by printing more money and now they’re talking about lowering interest rates and flooding the market with those newly-created dollars to stave off disaster until 2025.

The border patrol has simply waved the white flag to any and all comers, criminals, rapists, murderers, terrorists and cartels. Everything Texas has done to stop it has been challenged by who? The federal government. Federal agents were cutting the razor wire placed by Texas as a barrier to these illegals. My point is, the enemy within might be able to destroy the United States, but they cannot destroy the states, unless the states allow them to do so. The United States is the same as the European Union, at one time it was a blessing that has turned into a curse.

We don’t have to live like this. We don’t have to suffer, because those in Washington want us to. They don’t offer anything like what they take and they’re getting much more tyrannical with their demands. One is their push to go electric, which means that we’re actually being told we have to starve to death and freeze to death. Electricity is, especially now, the least reliable resource we have. The whole grid can go down in a second and never come back. But they want to take away our small generators. Why?

Because it means we might survive a grid-down environment and they don’t want that to happen. They want us to use things like wind generators and solar panels that are more unreliable than coal, gas or nuclear powered electric generation and in a few years, the wind generators will fail and we won’t be able to repair them, because our industrial base and transportation base will have been destroyed from lack of reliable electric generation.

Computers can’t work in that environment, industry can’t work in that environment, even small business can’t work, trucking can’t rely on electric vehicles, that’s all nonsense. If they had put one tenth of the money they’ve wasted on wind generators into something like using molten salt to cool nuclear reactors, perfecting fusion, or any of a hundred possible sources of clean energy we would be much further along, but none of it has to do with our survivability. They want our demise, they’ve said so and they’ve acted to ensure it. It’s too late to argue about whether they want it or not. The wars with Russia and the Middle East that they seem determined to start will only ensure that the grid will be the first casualty and then where will we be with all of our electric appliances and vehicles? Is that why they seem determined to start these wars, to get us killed?

We need to disconnect ourselves from those seeking our demise. This is why the people of each state should reconsider the United States Government’s role in society, recognize it as a hostile force and urge their representatives to act in a rational way and consider secession, even if not outright, but rather surreptitious secession, i.e., making laws in contravention of federal laws, much like Missouri did earlier this year.

Simply claim that certain laws are unconstitutional, whether sanctified by the Supreme Court or not, and make laws that do conform to the constitution. That will lead, ultimately to legislative conflict with the federal government, but they are only powerful where we allow them to be and not at all where we refuse to obey. Refuse to allow federal agencies to operate in violation of the constitution. It’s not that hard for those determined to secure the rights of their citizens and save their state.

We’re headed for turmoil the only decisions to be made is whether we’re in a strong position or a weak one. As long as we look on Washington DC as a source of benefit, we’re putting ourselves in a weaker position. If we look on Washington DC as a hostile force, we put ourselves in a stronger position.

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52 Comments
Hollow man
Hollow man
December 20, 2023 1:42 pm

Minnesota has fallen. Kinda admire their patience and fortitude.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hollow man
December 20, 2023 3:10 pm

Their patience is what has doomed them. Tolerating the intolerant is not patience – it’s folly.

https://www.unz.com/?s=minnesota+&Action=Search&ptype=all

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 11:04 pm

Let them burn.

They built the fire.

Virginian
Virginian
  Colorado Artist
December 21, 2023 10:30 am

Colorado is next.

Virginian
Virginian
  Anonymous
December 21, 2023 10:37 am

Minnesotans wore the adjective of Minnesota Nice as a badge of honor. What they look at as a virtue is looked on by the rest of the world as weakness, as they will tolerate anything and everything. I was born and raised there, left 50 years ago, returned only rarely, but will never go back again. It used to be such a great place…like so many others.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
December 20, 2023 1:52 pm

#Texit

Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
December 20, 2023 2:05 pm

Fuck Minnesota.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 20, 2023 2:12 pm

Funny.
Bunch of towel heads defeat Minnesota.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 2:36 pm

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  YourAverageJoe
December 20, 2023 6:16 pm

probably smells like one too

Billy the Kid
Billy the Kid
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 10:24 pm

The splintering begins.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
December 20, 2023 2:27 pm

Minnesota Public Radio shows the new flag as this one:
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This is the flag of Somalia:
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This is the old MN flag
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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Iska Waran
December 20, 2023 2:36 pm

I think they wanted to get rid of the old one because it was an insult to Indians (native Americans). It looks like the old flag showed a white Indian riding a red horse. It should have shown a red Indian on a white horse, if you ask me.

Warren
Warren
  Iska Waran
December 20, 2023 3:05 pm

After they removed the American Indian maiden from the Land O’Lakes asbutter, it was only a matter of time.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Warren
December 20, 2023 3:44 pm

Kept the land, got rid of the Indian.

Amazingly fucking stupid, but hey, rayssissm.

Tex
Tex
  Warren
December 20, 2023 10:10 pm

Are you serious? lol I buy the Challenge brand so never noticed. Should they remove the elk from Challenge so as not to offend elk, I give up!

Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  Iska Waran
December 20, 2023 4:15 pm

The plan is Year Zero. Statues and flags are just in the way. They need Year Zero.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Arizona Bay
December 20, 2023 11:22 pm

You are sooooo right.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 3:10 pm

Renaming the former Minnesota to a more appropriate moniker which matches the flag is in order:

Up vote: West Somalia

Down vote: Commiesota (really needs a hammer and sickle or a red star for that, yes?)

Warren
Warren
  Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 4:44 pm

More likely a crescent moon and star than a hammer and sickle.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Warren
December 20, 2023 4:57 pm

Somalisota.
New NFL name …. Somalisota Pirates

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 5:27 pm

MinneSomalia

Leah
Leah
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 9:13 pm

That wins

Reverend GlitterTeeth
Reverend GlitterTeeth
  Aunt Acid
December 21, 2023 1:18 pm

Remember!-we already have MinneSomalias aka-“charm city”:>:>

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Reverend GlitterTeeth
December 21, 2023 10:22 pm

I thought harm city was bantus

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Reverend GlitterTeeth
December 21, 2023 11:00 pm

Bulletmore (Baltimore) is “Charm City”, no?

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 3:12 pm

and for the newly and progressively named capital city:

Up vote: New Mogadishu

Down vote: St George of Fentanyl

Warren
Warren
  Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Why not both? The Nuevo Twin Cities of New Mogadishu and St George of the Blessed Fentanyl.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Warren
December 20, 2023 5:49 pm

Thank you for paying attention, Warrren.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 9:44 pm

Mowgli-Rapes-You

Warren
Warren
December 20, 2023 3:12 pm

It closely resembles the flag of the Somalia state of Puntland, from whence Ilihan Omar slithered from.
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Warren
Warren
December 20, 2023 3:16 pm

But it’s essentially the flag of the Somalia province of Jubaland
The people of Minnesota have just announced to.the world that they are accepting Dhimmī status. And are now for all intents and purposes an overseas province of Somalia.
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piearesquared
piearesquared
December 20, 2023 3:33 pm

“When states like New York, California and Texas have economies larger than most European nations, it’s hard to understand why they remain tied to a corrupt and largely incomprehensible federal government.”

“If states like Minnesota prefer Sharia Law, they can drown in their own sewer without spreading the stench to every other state as they do under the federal system.”

Very true. Every part of the (former) U.S., as well as most of the rest of the world (except for Israel and a few other nations), would be far better off if the U.S. split up into three or more separate countries. But it will never happen. Most people, on both the left and the right, aren’t smart enough to understand that, let along figure out how to accomplish it. But the main reason it won’t happen is because the NWO wouldn’t let it. One NWO goal, which they are going to achieve, is to eliminate all nations and form a one world government, which is the exact opposite of secession. Secession possibly would have been successful fifty years ago if it had been attempted, but it would never be successful now.

Warren
Warren
  piearesquared
December 20, 2023 3:58 pm

I believe that the FUSA is already beginning to break up, it’s going to go the way of.the USSR, only worse. The Leviathan that is the US federal government will collapse when the dollar dies, and thanks to Brandon and his turbo charging the BRICS that’s sooner than it would have been otherwise. If the center can’t hold FUSA will.spin apart.

As for Minnesota.. Having spent time there I have discovered that the people of Minnesota are largely and generally leftists, all into that feel good about themselves and seek affirmation from others, gooey liberal bull shit
Get along and root root for feminism and the LGBTQP salad of depravity, maybe that’s how it works in Lake Wobegon, but when the police officers from the Ministry of Vice and Virtue start to enforce Sharia Law, they’re in for a real awakening, Hijabs and Burqas for the gals and flying from rooftops for the gays. No more pulled pork and brews for the guys.

I just hope by that time that they’re officially separated from whatever is left of the US and that there’s a hard border between Minnesomolia and the rest of us, because no matter how bad it gets, the ones who leave will end up voting for the same types of leftist politicians, because “This time it will be different”.

Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  piearesquared
December 20, 2023 4:20 pm
Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  Arizona Bay
December 20, 2023 4:25 pm

Not implying this author and Z are mainstream. Just that secession is no longer a dirty word in normie conversation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 20, 2023 3:39 pm

Its rather simple to just remove your consent from city, state and federal entities, establish your own communities based on the constitution and stop playing the government game of “I own you thus I shall rule over thee”.

You’re not a slave unless you choose to be. They have no dominion over you. And they are not your leaders unless they are willing to abide by the constitution and re-establish the Rule of Law. Once that occurs, the people can demand investigations into all the fraud, lies, theft, mass murder and so on.

No reason why we can’t begin to turn the table on “them”. We have them outnumbered. Its rather simple. The only thing lacking is courage.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 9:46 pm

There is no legitimate rule by anyone of anyone. And the CONstitution was itself a coup-d’etat.

poordude
poordude
December 20, 2023 3:40 pm

I agree with the author. It is a matter of frame of reference. Is the center really the fed gov or the states. If you claim it is the states then everything looks difference.

zappalives
zappalives
December 20, 2023 3:48 pm

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Yes…………here dad can slam 4-5 cool-refreshing malts and really get in the mood.

Mom and the kids can access our state of the art twerking center and really get the feel of things.
Allow our expert twerkers to teach the finer points of this popular ghetto sensation.
You’ll be twerking like a pro in no time.

Dont forget to visit the gift shop ………………for the kids.we feature the Hasbro toy ankle monitor bracelet that are exact replicas of the what the great man wore on his last probation.

You will be so moved by the experience with us that you will have to tell yourself to breathe to quell the heart-pounding excitement.

Karen’s mother
Karen’s mother
  zappalives
December 20, 2023 6:16 pm

There you go zappy ! Was that so hard?
Humorous, well put together and no dirt.
It’s like a different person.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Karen’s mother
December 20, 2023 6:46 pm

Sorry, but this is very patronizing. It’s true that zappa is abrasive and crude in most comments, but this site has a well known administrator and to my knowledge he has never had any issues with the content and tone of zappa’s comments. TBP has always been a very open format and pretty much anything goes. I’m not sure why you feel the need to be a comment czar but the better approach is to overlook comments you find crude or tasteless, or if the content is simply intolerable, to stop visiting the site.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 6:56 pm

“TBP has always been a very open format and pretty much anything goes. ”
– You said this.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 7:15 pm

others have said basically the same thing, and time has bore this out. The point is, Mr. Quinn is very capable of moderating the site. If certain commenter content is inappropriate I’m sure he will handle it. It is not the place of commenters to chastise others over the perceived taste or lack thereof in the comments they post here, especially to the point of giving an ‘attaboy’ in response to essentially shaming them

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 20, 2023 9:49 pm

You just moderated this site, too, you semi-literate, blithering hypocrite.

Metacognition: do you speak it?

https://youarenotsosmart.com/

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 21, 2023 12:30 am

It is hardly ‘moderating the site’ to suggest not chastising or attempting to shame another commenter due to a personal objection to the use of derogatory names or obscene language. That has nothing to do with substantive content and adds nothing to a comment thread, in fact it is counter-productive. If a commenter disagrees with content then by all means post a substantive reply. TPB is one of the rare sites where pretty much anything can be posted and that is what should be supported, even petty ad hominem crap

Tex
Tex
  Aunt Acid
December 20, 2023 10:17 pm

Passed the 50k mark at least.

Visayas Outpost
Visayas Outpost
December 20, 2023 6:38 pm

Most of you scoffed when I said solutions will be found at the state level: https://visayasoutpost.substack.com/p/improvise-adapt-overcome-part-1

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Visayas Outpost
December 20, 2023 9:51 pm

Solutions will be found by individuals interacting voluntarily, with no compulsion in any measure, nor with any claimed justification for that. The revolution will not be legislatively supervised.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 21, 2023 3:11 pm

Will the citizens get to vote on this new third world flag…more importantly will they get to vote on adopting the Shira Law that goes with it?

Jdog
Jdog
December 21, 2023 9:43 pm

Muslims are 1% of the population of Minnesota, this entire article is complete bullshit….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
December 22, 2023 11:24 am

That’s how it begins Jdog…the Kneegro is only 13% of the population but they outrank all other ethnicities.