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Is the shortest distance between two points a straight line?
Take that same flight and chart it on the flat map like on the UN flag. It will be an almost straight line along the same flight path. Besides, if this video were true the flights from Santiago Chile to Auckland NZ would travel over the south pole. They do not. Instead they fly directly east-west. Why the difference?
If the Earth is flat, then it must have an edge. Can someone tell me where I can find this edge so I can see it for myself? I will then go there and report back to everybody.
Try to go to Antarctica and circle it. Good luck!
Amyr Klink; 1998–1999; Brazilian who completed a solo circumnavigation of Antarctica in 88 days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyr_Klink
Before you go look into Operation Highjump. Admiral Byrd led a naval task force including a carrier group to Antarctica right after WWII. They had a battle with objects that could fly at incredible speeds above or below the water. Many aircraft and a destroyer were lost along with many sailors.
Try to find what the admiral had to say about what happened if you can. He was institutionalized after returning and demanding to tell the American public what had transpired. He died while institutionalized under very suspicious circumstances.
Fake history.
This was debunked decades ago. Byrd was on ‘special assignment’ thousands of miles away. This was the cover story for his ‘disappearance’.
Yeah, he also said he flew into a hole in the earth in Anartica and flew (lol) and right into middle earth that has a sun,, stars, greenery life and more ‘journey to the center of the earth crapola. Met the Middle Earth queen who lives inside the earth there and her ‘subjects’; was warned to respect (worship) the earth, (or what?) recycle, re-use etc and then flew out the same way.
No wonder he was institutionalized.
Not all armed services personnel are sane.
David Lee Roth claimed to have been there ,” he said he lost a lot of friends there “, and that consequently he “has no time to mess around “.
“Hey, Hey, Hey!”
Not on a curved surface.
Unless you want to drill a tunnel from Dubai to New York.
It WAS that way until Bill from the Gates of Hell and Trump’s predecessor shoved common core math down people’s throats … or, maybe, up their nether regions …
I learned it was not a straight line the first time I was in a casino and walked a straight line between me and the bathroom that took my behind the blackjack tables. Three bouncers convinced me of that!
Oh, so were taking on 2 conspiracy theories right off the bat today! Well I’m staying out of this one.
I got errands to run. I’ll be checking back later. Never a dull moment on TBP🤣
You can see the curvature of the earth if you go up high enough. Not to mention, where is this edge of the flat earth these lunatics think exists and how do they explain how you can fly around the earth and never hit it.
I can assure you, you have never seen the physical curve of the Earth since it’s impossible to see the curve at any altitude you’ve ever flown at.
aviation portholes are all fisheye lenses.
I love you flat earther nutbags……..obviously the explanation is that there is a vast (jew!) conspiracy to encourage humans to think the earth is round by secretly forcing airline manufacturers to use fish eye lenses in the windows to make the flat earth look round! Yep that’s the explanation I am going with! https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-prove-the-earth-is-round/
I am not saying that the earth is flat. I am just saying that I have not seen any conclusive evidence for the amount of curvature that we are led to believe. Are people actually so dense as to think that there are only two options? Like either you die and that’s the end of it or you go to live on a cloud with some old dude with a long beard? What if is something we don’t truly understand as humans, at least not during our lifetimes?
Even Neil DeGrasse, who lies about pretty much everything space, says that Felix Baumgartner could not see the earth’s curvature from 24 miles up, which supposedly equates to a height of 2 millimeters above a beach ball size earth. The cruising altitude of an airplane is about 8 miles, so that would be like 0.7 mm above the beach ball. So, no, none of us have seen any curvature from an airplane.
I be calling BS on Neil’s assertion .
Neil is an asshole. Plenty of better folks to use to prove the bigger point.
As a child I observed an oil rig on the horizon out at sea, from the top of the cliff I could see the legs and superstructure of the rig. I walked down to the beach bellow the cliff and could then only see the top of the drill derek. The unintended science experiment I conducted that day is all the proof needed to conclusively determine the shape of the earth.
PS, I have never met a ‘flat earther’ in the flesh, they appear to be a phenomena that only exist on the internet.
Spraying chemtrails the entire trip, no doubt. …won’t be spraying over Tennessee , though.
https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/bill-banning-chemtrails-passes-tennessee
The sky above me is streaked with them right now. From a beautiful clear sky at sunrise to mostly chemtrailed sky by 10:00 am
That’s because rain is forecast for tomorrow. Same shit here in the Atlanta metro area.
I counted 18 of them here in the greater Vancouver, WA, area by 0730 this past Tuesday … some of them even make a great curve and return on a parallel course … you can follow the trails … and TPTB know that there’s nothing we’re able or going to do about it.
Am SO tired of this monkey face thing HF. It’s not like one can not see it! You’re a great writer, so WTF?
I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.
Yet another blistering riposte from the SmugMeister.
At least we’ve got all the loonies herded together for a change. May their sophistry consume them.
You’d know sophistry.
Wasn’t that a duet?
Ebony and Sophistry
Are living in fomented
Hostility…
Homer: “mmmm foments”
. . . live together without any irony
Side by side in the blogspace
People, own up, tease with glee
I know pointless name calling when I see it, so there’s that.
Eat a dick.
😁
Scru should know: it’s most of what he does.
I didn’t call you a pointless name, I inferred that you use fallacious reasoning in order to make invalid arguments so often, that you would know a great deal more about sophistry than most people.
There is no round earth , because at the center of this flat earth, surrounded by ice, is the Camp of the Saints , which is soon to be under attack by Gog and Magog…EvangiBoomerTwoGospelRaptureTards , don’t know this, but the short season is upon us.
I see what you did there (with your one good eye).
…with my good eye wide shut…reeeee
Why did Wernher von Braun want this Bible passage on his headstone?
Psalm 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.
4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.
HOLD ON! Did some orthodox catholic priest ratify this Bible passage? If not. I don’t want to hear it!
Anyone that passed 8th grade Geography should understand the “GREAT CIRCLE ROUTES” !
Of course today’s middle schools are more of indoctrination centers .
I notice many under 30 cannot find their way with simple directions because they just use the cars GPS constantly . I admit the technology has advantages such as avoiding delays due to accidents or construction but not to go to the area shopping centers or common areas you should remember .
I still remember the back road to fish an area of a local reservoir and I did it on a bicycle when I was 12 ! Going to be 70 this summer if my luck holds out !
So, you fished a round pond ? It all makes sense now
Flash your an asshole it’s a huge lake with miles of roads and access points but some people can’t help themselves , Born to be a smart ass fool
Constantly flying out of Nova Scotia to Europe makes much more sense this way.
Welcome back!
Soooooo, on this map, a flight from Santiago, Chile to Perth, Australia would fly over America, Russia, AND China on its way to Perth. They could make refueling stops along the west coast if they wanted to…
The quickest way around the Southern Hemisphere is obviously to cut through the Northern Hemisphere!
Got it!
I seem to be hanging out with a bunch of idiots
If that helps, go with it.
Then why are you doing that to yourself? You have the option to do not ‘hang’. It’s not like anyone will miss you because, well…..you’re Anonymous. It’s not like when an Anonymous post, somebody welcomes them back because….Which Anonymous is being welcomed back???!!!😆🤣
I do it for entertainment, like reading the Sunday funny pages. Hanging out with idiots can be very entertaining
Is that like a solipsistic thing ? Are we just your ” playthings” here ? Askin for a friend .
I’m still on the fence about this subject so I’m just going to add to the shit-stirring today.
Every one of those is retarded.
And it is proofs like yours that got us to start questioning the globe theory.
There will be no dissent in a global society. It’s for the greater good.
What proof did I offer?
I rolled an eleven, so I skipped past proof, jumped over refutation, and landed squarely on mockery.
Precisely what the ignorant do when they have little if anything to offer. PROVE me wrong.
You claimed that the rhetorical questions posed are retarded, as proof that any questioning of the orthodoxy is beneath contempt and should be summarily dismissed.
Were you unaware of what you wrote or was this a rhetorical question?
Duh, the earth is not flat, it is concave or we would all fall off!
… your ref to Plato’s Allegory of the Concave, too clever for con-Vexers.
Concavers are good, convexers are evil. Convex and we would all just slide off the Earth into outerspace. Think about that!
Concave and we would all slide into the middle into one big pile up!
yeah, I prove that everyday driving to work.
So the guy who escaped from the cave was technically an “Ex con “?He went back dow and tried to retrieve his old compatriots but they weren’t having any of it . They were institutionalized
Plato ran a lot of Cons
It’s clearly toilet-shaped.
No, not toilet shaped, but we seem to be going down the toilet, both in this ‘conversation’ and in the world at large.
shitter shaped
So let’s get this straight then: we are told to believe that the atmosphere and everything inside of it is being dragged along in the same physical frame of reference as the Earth through the vacuum of space at roughly 550,000 mph, chasing the Sun at 66,600 mph, while rotating at speeds of over 1,000 mph. All this without anyway for us to determine the massive inertial shift from the poles to the equator that would be present on a physical globe. Simultaneously, we are told the rotation of said atmosphere is also responsible for decreasing flight times, even though said rotation can not be felt by the observer in any way whatsoever.
Lol trust me globies, you don’t want to go down this rabbit trail.
According to the globe model, Saint Petersburg is positioned at approximately 60 degrees North latitude, thereby experiencing a velocity of about 350 mph due to Earth’s alleged rotation. Contrastingly, Nairobi is supposedly situated directly on the equator, boasting a swift pace of 1040 mph. This stark difference manifests in a practical scenario for us: a plane departing from Saint Petersburg can traverse southward and enter Nairobi’s airspace without factoring in the staggering 700 mph lateral ground speed variation between the two locations. The conventional explanation offered is that the atmosphere moves in tandem with the Earth’s surface and any effects due to rotation can not be felt.
Additionally, headwinds are admitted even within the mainstream paradigm to have a significantly greater impact on flight times than the alleged effect/non-effect of the Coriolis effect. Flight manuals, in their operational guidelines and procedures, operate under the assumption of the Earth’s non-rotation for flight purposes. This means that the rotation of the Earth is not factored into flight plans and considerations.
If it was, these kind of considerations would have to be taken into account on every single flight we take, which, I can assure you after some 500 hours of flight courtesy of Moloch’s Air Force, I have never once seen occur.
So … you never owned a record player?
Or taken a highschool physics class.
In the era in which you live you ought to appreciate how underwhelming that sounds to anyone with two eyeballs and a heartbeat.
Or tossed a tennis ball while in a moving car, or out of a moving car.
No, but I have tossed a lot of beer bottles and cans out the window of a moving car. Do they have the same effect? I don’t know as I had to keep my eyes on the road as I was driving!
Globetruthers gonna’ need a faster plane.
Which dissenter wants to answer this one question:
With the variety of landing strips worldwide in every possible direction (not just in line with the Earth’s ‘spin’), how can a plane land on a surface spinning 1000mph?
If the world was stationary and the wind blew 1000mph in any direction, would you realize how dumb your question was?
Landing an Airbus or Boeing ?
Note: At the 4:11 mark he says “1,700” miles but the text says “7,000” which is a typo.
He’s mistaken about civil engineers (i.e., those who do surveying, etc., of the ground) … unless you’re right at the Equator, the corners on a typical plot map are never 90º … they’re less than that — and any north/south boundaries are not parallel … they’re off by some measure, just like the lines of longitude are not parallel to each other.
Take that same flight and chart it on the flat map like on the UN flag. It will be an almost straight line along the same flight path. Besides, if this video were true the flights from Santiago Chile to Auckland NZ would travel over the south pole. They do not. Instead they fly directly east-west. Why the difference?
Sorry about the dupe. 🙂
ETOPS regulations
Antarctica has a dearth of suitable airports. Any emergency landing would quickly turn into a buffet of Chilean Football clubs where the last man standing still wouldn’t get out..
Not a good look for an airline and would violate every ETOPS written as of right now.
How many emergency landings have commercial aircraft made successfully in the middle of the oceans?
There’s always a reason when you’re the one telling people what they can and can’t do.
There is very little chance of surviving at sea, but if you have any ability to limp along the plane can at least head for a ship. They are scarce but easily findable with communications. Also, if you lose pressurization, low altitude flight is survivable. Crashing in Antarctica is a zero chance of survival and there is no altitude that won’t kill you.
People have still flown over it for the same reason people do everything. Doesn’t make sense to risk passengers over it though.
Few to none that have been successful Scrabble.
Which is the point of having those rules in the first place.
It doesn’t prove the earth is flat, or a sphere, or a spheroid, or if it is turtles all the way down. All it does is provide the rules that prohibit passenger airliners from flying over Antarctica. You can venture into conspiracy, be my guest, but the math works when it doesn’t have those planes flying over that vast expanse.
For the facts are, and we should be able to both agree, that ditching in an ocean, or starving and freezing in snowy wastes of the south pole always end in a bad day for any souls on board of any of those doomed planes.
By definition a conspiracy yes, and maybe NASA is to blame for all of it. But for the passengers and crew that fly in these planes, shouldn’t they have at least a chance of making it to the ground in one piece, more or less, at the end of the day.
ed. I didn’t write the ETOPS, so please Farmer don’t be shooting the messenger..
I know who wrote ETOPS.
And for me that explanation doesn’t hold the kind of water it does for everyone else. But like I say, YMMV.
Don’t know what size Earth is, don’t know what shape. Don’t know if it’s a ball or a dish or digital creation of some super intelligence so vast and complex none of us recognize we’re nothing but zeroes and ones.
All I do know is that I have senses and navigate my way through life based on how they perform and every single one of them tells me that the conventional wisdom doesn’t make any sense to me. It doesn’t feel like it’s moving and it doesn’t look round and since I’ll never be able to know for certain, I guess I’ll have to trust my own senses rather than the assurances of guys like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Besides, why would anyone care what someone else thinks if their certain about what they believe? Knowledge doesn’t require consensus, it just is.
That’s a perfectly understandable position to take, but it doesn’t jibe with asking the same flat-earthish questions over and over, when people have answered you reasonably before.
When you actually don’t know something, there is no need for trolling people. And there isn’t even any point to curiousity, if you think you can’t know.
“Besides, why would anyone care what someone else thinks if their certain about what they believe?”
Because beliefs matter in navigating the jungle of other people.
so what is your compelling argument, the pièce de résistance and gem ..
Okay.. and then what.. Couldn’t the same thing be said about ignorance?
As for the ETOPS regulations, you did write this…
Not a big jump for me assume that the you’re you are referring to is me, wouldn’t you agree.. And yeah you are probably going to tell me that you did not mean it in that way.
If so, okay… my bad in advance. No need to rage on about my inabilities to read thru nuance.
And as for you may poo pooing the idea of a plane being within a prescribed maximum contact distance of a safe airport on the ground, and it not making sense, there is an obvious question that needs asking.
Do you drive to town in your truck that is 14 miles away with gas to make it with one mile to spare? Or do you make sure there is a reserve in case you are delayed at some point by…
or
or
And yeah, none of those things are likely to happen but a fella never knows what they don’t know, or something to that effect or it is what it is.. or Life is what you make it, and as long as you avoid to pitfalls, it is what it is..
🤣
Hodor@FlatEarthHodor
Justin Harvey, citizen hero, confronting the Florida, Brevard County Commissioners about the NASA fraud known as the International ‘Space’ Station. 🏆
Never tucked in while spinning?
And the tax revenue that pours into their coffers means that they will. NEVER investigate anything. And by the way,, their fraud does NOT mean anything with regards to the globe/flat earth issue.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/izcwfis0r8009ze/16%20Emergency%20Landings%20Proving%20FLAT%20EARTH.pdf?dl=0
Apparently the shortest distance between two points of view is Defcon 1.
For or anyone interested. It’s an hour long
Really great stuff right there!
Japon.
Got it.
The Japanese admitted to that infamous tactic with their Pacman video game… you go out the east door and enter thru the west door on the opposite side.
Hirohito’s Unit 731 turned this dangerous know-how over to MacArthur’s occupational authority, securing it for US dominance of the play field Edge. Don’t believe me, look it up.
Notice how we always fail in middle-east and Baltic states where this advantage can not be exploited.
Just providing info and links for anyone that wants pursue the topic of FE. With the exception of Part V, each vid is about 10″ long. TBP is taking forever to load these so I’m doing it one at a time.
”How Einstein Made the Earth Move”
Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
I believe the evidence of my senses. And that evidence is that it is round.
Life must be pretty bleak for people who can’t feel and see it. Maybe the chemtrails in your imaginary petri dish -world have desensitized you, or maybe it’s your alien religions.
Your senses? Which of your sense provides evidence that the earth is round?
His sense of intelligence…
All of them that matter. Visual, kinesthetic, spiritual, etc. I can smell Earth, but I admit I can’t smell the shape.
That’s more admission of ignorance than you’ll ever get from any Petri-disher or Bible Firmamenter.
So to the globers here, how would you refute this? Genuinely curious.
On a globe the shortest route is not a straight line… At 1:18 this fellow failed at logic..and only ends up doing a gotcha on himself with that smirk..
it is in fact the smallest radius between two points.
Thanks for input, RiNS. As I said, I’m on the fence so willing to hear what the opposing views here say.
The problem with this video is the medium in the message.
Weird how airlines and shipping vessels follow the great arc navigation and not straight line nav.
Click on a plane and you can see its travel route. Unless its a short jump they all arc… super weird.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=c060c4
I would imagine the wind they encounter/currents has nothing to do with their course of travel.
Airplanes travel in an arc so that they can spray chem-trails everywhere. Not sure about why ships do, since the earth is obviously flat or we’d fall off.
Great explanation rins, but probably over most people’s heads. They would rather rely on the Nobel prize winner in the video and his explanation.
Somebody is desperate to generate some comments.
I don’t know about all this so I went out in my yard. FLAT as a pancake! Does this settle the question?
The Earth is flat only because I say it is. It will remain flat until I say it isn’t.
I intend to force all liberals to repeat this knowledge as a means of humiliation and payback for all of the insane ignorant crap they try to force others to repeat daily. I say again, The Earth is flat. It’s science. Long proven. Everyone knows it but won’t admit it. It’s a conspiracy to cover up the truth. That is all.
When I saw this thread I started laughing out loud at the timing…
I am a bit overwhelmed with little spare time at the moment: March planting, orchard prep, graveling a washed out road, recently stepped on a nail (one of the few times I wasn’t wearing boots becasuse of the Copperhead threat doncah ya know), expanding my chicken free range free feed area with fence moving/expansion, repairing my emergency well hand pump line that was damaged by a well expert changing out the 23 year old electric pump (successfully) who now is dying (without reversing his accidental damage during the replacement long story) and I am leaving him alone of course (he is a great guy), reading/reading/reading – prepping/prepping/prepping, and always (3 times a day at least) flinging balls across the pastures for Pepper the Wonder Dog to fetch.
So I recently found a remarkable Christian website from David Nika Wilcoxson who has a massive, and I mean massive body of work on the Historic viewpoint of prophecy…a camp I found myself in well before I stumbled across him.
https://www.youtube.com/@EndTimesDeceptions
I have e-mailed him with some comments directly, he is always responsive and is a polite sincere gentlemen.
I posted some of his material on TBP on a couple of threads as I believe what he does about Daniel 9:27 and much, much more.
Anyway, yesterday I ran across this:
ME
Wilcoxson says: “The Bible describes a GEOCENTRIC universe, with a sun that’s moving in a circuit, and an earth that is fixed.
The enemy is pushing the lie of heliocentism, which led to the evil deception of evolution, which removes the importance of the earth and of mankind.
The enemy pushes this agenda to attack the credibility of the Genesis creation narrative, and the Creator.
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
I’m offering my book for free, because I want people to see what Scripture is really proclaiming.
Complete this request and a link to the book will be sent to you. Your email address will not be used for any purpose, other than to provide the PDF”.
Free Book:
So I down loaded it and read the first 40 pages…but that is all I have had time for to date! No time today…It is going to take me awhile, time that will be slow coming to study and discern what he says and believes.
Hmmmm…
THE HIDDEN OPTION OF THE GEOCENTRIC GLOBE EARTH
Wilcoxson says: “This flat earth deception page focuses on how scientific proofs point to a geocentric earth.
Flat earthers proclaim that the enemy has deceived us about the design of the universe, AND THEY ARE RIGHT! I now believe that the enemy has created a deception to deceive people into believing that life on Earth was a product of chance and time, and not a Creator.
The enemy has done that by causing astronomers to proclaim that the universe is heliocentric. They do this not because they have any proof that the Earth is moving, but because it fits into their worldview.
You will see below that the Earthly perspective of the planets and universe is the same, regardless of whether it’s HELIOCENTRIC or the TYCHONIC GEOCENTRIC model.
“I can construct for you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds.” George F.R. Ellis
Scientific proofs for the GEOCENTRIC earth were published in 2013, and then the GEOCENTRIC earth documentary movie called The Principle came out in 2014. Here’s a link to videos from the producers of The Principle which give more explanations.
After that, information about the flat earth skyrocketed on YouTube and Facebook; because the enemy wanted to cause people to reject anyone who believes in the GEOCENTRIC earth.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy by positioning the debate as ‘heliocentric globe earth vs. flat earth’; but there is another option that has been hidden by the enemy, the geocentric GEOCENTRIC GLOBE EARTH.
If you believe that the earth is flat, please know that I’m in agreement with you about the sun not being the center of the universe, and that the Earth is not flying through space.
You can reject my explanation and click away; but if you’re really searching for truth, and not just seeking to defend a belief, then I pray that you will read this article.
Note: the point of this page is to provide basic information about the geocentric universe.
My goal is not to answer every question and/or overcome every objection. If you’re searching for truth, then read this summary, and then read the below book and judge for yourself; for only in getting the full explanation can you make a right judgment.
I also provide Bible verses which show that the sun is moving around the earth, so that by the dual witness of scientific evidence and Scripture we can see that the earth is geocentric”.
Now, all I want is the TRUTH…and I will dive deep into all of the above…but this is going to take time.
So I said to myself… “SELF post this on TBP…Surely (I apologize for calling you Surely) others will have some insights”.
1. TLPTB (L=Luciferians) says Heliocentric
2. The Opposition says Flat Earth
3. This body of evidence says Geocentric.
I have never studied GEOCENTRIC and look forward to it!
That is probably retarded.
But I’m with you on the important things, like animals and trees and water and growing food and especially spending time with good dogs.
Don’t trust the tetanus shot. Just saying.
No Name Buddy,
At this point I don’t know what it is because it is going to take time and many deep dives to come to any knowledge based conclusions as I have not studied most of Wilcoxson’s material yet, who I highly respect. He has put up much to investigate and consider…and I will give it a fair review. I posted it hoping others have reviewed it and was curious what they thought?
Beside the free PDF I have ordered 3 copies of the hard copy from Amazon to give to two close friends in my Tribe (only $10 a copy as the author told me he priced it as low as he could). They are deep divers also, and both know everything from NASA is a bold face Illuminati/Mason/Government/Media lie!
Thank you for the needle warning…I am not getting the tetanus jab…who knows what is in it from the VA! They have been trying to poison me with four different jabs with zero success. Constant pressure to no avail.
This is how I treated the puncture wound:
Dabbed on lots of Iodine then smeared on some Rawleigh Antiseptic Salve:
https://www.wtrawleigh.com/antiseptic-salve-0-96-oz-tin.html
Then sprinkled on some Polvos Sulpha powder that clings to the Rawleigh Antiseptic Salve:
I re-applied and changed the bandage a couple three time a day. Seems to have healed fine.
I use the three above for all minor wounds, combined they have worked well for me.
Anyway, this is intriging and I will do what I always do RESEARCH with an open mind and an earnest attitude to find the TRUTH.
Mark you live in a world that does not fall into a binary choice between a world that is geocentric or heliocentric in orientation.
RiNS Buddy,
I am just a miner for the truth…finding a third possibility/reality from a serious scholar I respect…that combines components of the previous two is a WHOA moment…time to get out the pick and shovel and dig for the TRUTH…but then again there is that pesky TIME reality!
Well Mark, good luck on your quest.
Thanks RiNS…it is just one of many…I am a curious man…but what I really want to know is what my wife (AKA the Petite Flower) is cooking for dinner???
Mark,
I read this book pretty early on in my introduction to this subject. While some of Mr. Nikao’s arguments are compelling, the thrust of his argumentation revolves around what is his own personal eisegesis on what the “circle of the earth” actually means. What I’ve often found in these Scriptural “debunks” of FE is that the author will attack Nathan Roberts’ admittedly shaky list of verses: Roberts was a newly saved Christian when he published his book on this subject and does make some mistakes.
Nikao’s main contention though, one wholly without Scripture to substantiate it, is that the circle of the Earth is in fact the 12 Zodiacal constellations. Nikao’s website has a large section about FE I’ve perused, but when I started looking up many of his flat earth “debunks”, I found that none of his debunks actually debunk anything since the phenomenon could work the same on a globe or plane model when properly understood.
He does make some good points in regards to certain topics in Scripture, in particular the four corner verses being symbolic in nature. Personally, I’ve yet to see any anti-FE Biblical scholar address the Psalms that state the waters above are not done away with during the Flood, but exist in perpetuity (Psalm 148); or a host of other scriptures that describe the Firmament with specific physical properties, in a specific location, with the stars and the Sun and Moon moving inside of it.
Wilson’s cited refutation of optical laser experiments is also built upon fallacious claims about refraction, something I’ve studied quite in depth since I did my own laser curvature experiment and found no curvature whatsoever over Tampa Bay.
https://dfreality.substack.com/p/bc-vi-what-is-the-circle-of-the-earth
Properly conducted laser tests over a sufficiently long distance simply obliterates the myth of curvature, refraction can not explain how we see too far without invoking physical properties of light that have never once been demonstrated in real world conditions (I.e. that light moving through the air would refract down over the curve, as opposed to refracting upwards, which is what it actually does.)
Just my two cents, God bless your spring time endeavors my friend.
Grunge Buddy,
A response like this is exactly why I posted the above…thank you! I will print down your comment and keep it in the books (when they get here) and also give it to my two buddies.
This is going to take me time, and considering the state of the country I have to be careful with that precious commodity…TSHTF has to be sooner rather than later.
I enjoy TBP and get much from it…but I’m a bit overwhelmed currently with so many tasks getting the farm/compound ready for whatever is coming…whenever it finally hits my Shire.
I hope Frodo gets that dam ring back into Mordor!
I am extremely intrigued by many of the components of what Wilcoxson has researched on this subject and so many others…especially many prophecies. I am mining his sight as well, it is rich and deep.
Like many I do not believe any of the NASA 666 maff…or almost anything that they say or do…or say they did, so there is that.
I’m sitting here typing and Pepper the Wonder Dog is popping up begging me go outside…so after I answer my buddy RiNS its fetch in the pasture time!
Thanks again!
What’s the largest country between Russia and the United States?
Would you believe Canada?