Things are about to get interesting. November 17 now takes on more significance. The establishment is getting rattled because this movement hasn’t dissipated after two months.
NYPD IS RAIDING OCCUPY WALL STREET
Posted 6 hours ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 1:20 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Liberty Square (Zuccotti Park), home of Occupy Wall Street for the past two months and birthplace of the 99% movement that has spread across the country and around the world, is presently being evicted by a large police force in full riot gear.
We will reoccupy!
Updates
3:36 a.m. Kitchen tent reported teargassed. Police moving in with zip cuffs.
3:33 a.m. Bulldozers moving in
3:16 a.m. Occupiers linking arms around riot police
3:15 a.m. NYPD destroying personal items. Occupiers prevented from leaving with their possessions.
3:13 a.m. NYPD deploying sound cannon
3:08 a.m. heard on livestream: “they’re bringing in the hoses.”
3:05 a.m. NYPD cutting down trees in Liberty Square
2:55 a.m. NYC council-member Ydanis Rodríguez arrested and bleeding from head.
2:44 a.m. Defiant occupiers barricaded Liberty Square kitchen
2:44 a.m. NYPD destroys OWS Library. 5,000 donated books in dumpster.
2:42 a.m. Brooklyn Bridge confirmed closed
2:38 a.m. 400-500 marching north to Foley Square
2:32 a.m. All subways but R shut down
2:29 a.m. Press helicopters evicted from airspace. NYTimes reporter arrested.
2:22 a.m. Frontpage coverage from New York Times
2:15 a.m. Occupiers who have been dispersed are regrouping at Foley Square
2:10 a.m. Press barred from entering Liberty Square
2:07 a.m. Pepper spray deployed — reports of at least one reporter sprayed
2:03 a.m. Massive Police Presence at Canal and Broadway
1:43 a.m. Helicopters overhead.
1:38 a.m. Unconfirmed reports of snipers on rooftops.
1:34 a.m. CBS News Helicopter Livestream
1:27 a.m. Unconfirmed reports that police are planning to sweep everyone.
1:20 a.m. Subway stops are closed.
1:20 a.m. Brooklyn bridge is closed.
1:20 a.m. Occupiers chanting “This is what a police state looks like.”
1:20 a.m. Police are in riot gear.
1:20 a.m. Police are bringing in bulldozers.
Dissent and speaking out against a corrupt system will not be tolerated by the establishment. Another nail in the coffin of a failing empire.
Occupy Wall Street Raid: What it Was Like at the Last Moments of the Zuccotti Occupation
By Rosie Gray Tue., Nov. 15 2011 at 7:50 AM Categories: Occupy Wall Street
The city cleared out Zuccotti Park in the wee hours of this morning, effectively ending the nearly two-month-old Occupy Wall Street occupation and destroying much of the occupiers’ gear. The Voice arrived on the scene around 1:30 a.m. to a confusing scene, as cops had already barricaded every entrance to the park. We identified ourselves as press to no avail.
Though we couldn’t get inside the park, we were able to reconstruct what happened inside during the period in which NYPD were moving into the park and clearing it. The park was held by 50-60 core occupiers who linked arms in a circle around the kitchen tent as a group of 6-8 protesters remained inside the tents, locked together by the neck by “u-locks,” according to occupier James Molenda, 32, who was inside the camp for nearly the entirety of the raid.
According to Molenda, it became evident to the campers that the city was planning a raid before midnight, when they saw a large number of cops heading towards the park.
“We got into action,” he said. “We were blocking passageways and making sure non-arrestables could get out.”
Some people left, and some stayed. The nucleus of the resistance was the kitchen tent, where 50-60 arrestables remained and waited for the police.
Police entered the park and told occupiers to leave or risk arrest. They began dismantling all of the camping equipment; according to Molenda, “there were tens of thousands of dollars worth of broken or totally wasted tents and sleeping bags and stuff.” We’ve heard reports that the tents were ripped apart with box cutters to render them unusable.
“It was amazing,” Molenda said. “They really treated every speck of anything like it was total garbage.”
Occupiers waited for the axe to fall for about 45 minutes, as NYPD displayed sound cannons (but didn’t deploy them) and made repeated announcements to leave the park.
After a point, the NYPD moved in and began forcibly removing people from the park, though not necessarily arresting all of them. DCPI told us they don’t have an estimate for total numbers of arrests yet, but we’ve heard unconfirmed reports that the number is around 70. According to Molenda, the arrests were mostly peaceable and “no punches were thrown on either side.”
Eventually all the occupiers apart from the core group locked together in the kitchen tent were removed or arrested; cops used pepper spray and also just dragged people out. The kitchen group were the last to be removed, but as of now, the park is completely clear.
The office of Mayor Bloomberg, who will be addressing the situation at 8 a.m., released a statement that reads in part:
Some have argued to allow the protestors to stay in the park indefinitely – others have suggested we just wait for winter and hope the cold weather drove the protestors away – but inaction was not an option. I could not wait for someone in the park to get killed or to injure another first responder before acting. Others have cautioned against action because enforcing our laws might be used by some protestors as a pretext for violence – but we must never be afraid to insist on compliance with our laws.
The situation outside of the park was less clear-cut. The Voice was repeatedly blocked from crossing the street and was at one point confined to a small area of Broadway above Dey Street, where police penned in a group of people and arrested some. We were able to break free of a cop and crossed the street. When we got to the other side, an officer grabbed us by the arm and threw us across the sidewalk. We had identified ourselves as press repeatedly.
A sizeable group of maybe a couple hundred headed north, having received signals from the Tactical group to go to Washington Square Park. The plan fell into disarray on the way there, as police successfully splintered the group into smaller crews. The march did not make it to Washington Square Park.
By around 5 a.m., the Zuccotti occupiers had made it to Foley Square, where they held a General Assembly and discussed other options (including an attempt to re-occupy Zuccotti Park this same day, though that is unlikely as of right now). At 9 a.m., there will be an action at Canal and 6th Avenue; the Voice will be there and report back.
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Summary:
Police gave Occupiers NO time to removed their property. They moved in and started trashing everything and loading it into trucks.
Police blocked all media and herded them into a “Press Pen”, far from the action. They also ordered TV helicopters out of the sky. At least one journalist was arrested, the NY Times’ Jared Malsin
There have been many arrests and injuries, including Councilman Ydanis Rodriquez, who suffered a head injury at the hands of the NYPD.
Andrew Katz reports that Foley Square will replace Zuccotti park. “No tents, just people”.
Early morning raids spreading terror and fear …….the Gestapo, KGB, and Secret Police from around the world approve of these tactics!
Now this is the kind of police shit that FIRMLY puts me back in the OWS camp! Fuck da cops!!
First they came for OWS protestors and I kept silent, then they came …..
To occupy is to embody the spirit of liberation that we wish to manifest in our society. It is to exercise our freedom to assemble. We are creating space for community, values, ideas, and a level of meaningful dialogue that is absent in the present discourse.
Liberated space is breaking free of isolation, breaking down the walls that literally and figuratively separate us from one another. It is a new focus on community, trust, love and hope. We occupy to create a vision of equality, liberty and social justice onto the blank paving stones of public parks, in the silent hallways of abandoned schools, banks, and beyond. Public space plays a crucial role in this civic process and encourages open, transparent organizing in our movement. As we have seen in Liberty Square, outdoor space invites people to listen, speak, share, learn, and act.
Last night, billionaire Michael Bloomberg sent a massive police force to evict members of the public from Liberty Square—home of Occupy Wall Street for the past two months. People who were part of a dynamic civic process were beaten and pepper-sprayed, their personal property destroyed.
Supporters of this rapidly growing movement were mobilized in the middle of the night, making phone calls, taking the streets en masse, and planning next steps. Americans and people around the world are appalled at Bloomberg’s treatment of people who peacefully assemble. We are appalled, but not deterred. Liberty Square was dispersed, but its spirit not defeated. Today we are stronger than we were yesterday. Tomorrow we will be stronger still. We are breaking free of the fear that constricts and confines us. We occupy to liberate.
We move forward in the grand tradition of the transformative social movements that have defined American history. We stand on the shoulders of those who have struggled before us, and we pick up where others have left off. We are creating a better society for us all.
Occupy Wall Street has renewed a sense of hope. It has revived a belief in community and awakened a revolutionary spirit too long silenced. Join us as we liberate space and build a movement. 9 a.m. Tuesday morning at Sixth Avenue and Canal we continue.
A state judge threw a wrench in the New York City’s eviction of Occupy Wall Street protesters from Zuccotti Park Tuesday morning, at least temporarily.
State Supreme Court Judge Lucy Billings signed a temporary restraining order that says the city can’t evict protesters from Zuccotti Park “exclusive of lawful arrests for criminal offenses.” It also bars the city from enforcing rules that were published after the protesters started camping out there.
Before protesters arrived, there were few posted rules in Zuccotti Park. After they set up, park owner Brookfield Office Properties Inc. started circulating rules that appeared to prohibit much of what was taking place. Those rules haven’t been enforced by police, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg said early this morning that protesters would only be allowed in the park if they follow them.
It’s not clear what practical effect the order will have. A hearing is scheduled for 11:30 a.m. in State Supreme Court.
“He said the city wants to protect people’s rights, but if a choice must be made, it will protect public safety.”
Nice mustache you got there. Nice armband you got there.
The greatest threat to public safety at Zuccotti Park has been…. drumroll please… the NYPD! Assuming, of course, you consider the OWS crowd to be members of the public (duh).
Was it Kunstler who was suggesting Bloomberg was the great hope for POTUS 2012? I do recall noting that Bloomberg is a 2nd Amendment-hating shitbag. Guess he’s not so fond of the 1st & 4th Amendments, either. What a fuckstick. Insert Smokeyisms here:
“If the leaders of the Arab nations don’t stop supressing the speech and human rights of their people in peaceful protest, we will, through diplomatic and if need be, military force, step in to assist those citizens excercising their rights against these tyrants and dicta….”
“Oooops. Scratch that. We’ll get right back to you dirty third-worlders in a minute….”
(Not a real quote, I think…)
Sorry to interrupt this discussion but…
I’ve completed my MBS fraud article and would like to post it today.
How do I do that?
Also – including all my research on Microsoft Live Skydive link for readers to dig into and confirm the facts for themselves. Doe anyone have feedback on security issues with Skydive?
Thanks!
Mary
When you log on, there should be a section where you can paste your article. You then submit it and I release it.
If you have trouble, you can send it to me at [email protected] and I’ll post it.
“Bloomberg said the city knew about the court order but had not seen it and would go to court to fight it. He said the city wants to protect people’s rights, but if a choice must be made, it will protect public safety.”
People have a constitutional right to protest. Politicians/billionaires like Bloomberg could give a flying fuck about the Bill of Rights or the Constitution. That quote says everything you need to know. Any excuse whatsoever can and will be used to ignore and take away the rights we are guaranteed. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. “Public safety” is more important than Constitutional rights? They can only get away with this because the fucking politicians, and Obama and Holder in particular, allow and encourage ignoring the Constitution. It’s fucking disgraceful.
Thanks, Admin. I’ll log on and give it a try.
Contempt of court. The bailif ought to cuff someone.
“The establishment is getting rattled because this movement hasn’t dissipated after two months.”
But it hasn’t done much of anything either..
They came like thieves in the night…Bloomberg’s Blue Shirts. They robbed us of our rights, and our possessions…while preventing reporters from reporting on the scene. No free press…no free speech. Welcome to NYC. Bloomberg, the self-proclaimed number one defender of free speech (pause for gagging), said in no uncertain terms: “yes, you have the right…..the right to remain silent. So just shut up, and obey”. But this is only the beginning dear Mayor .0001%., not the end. This WILL be your legacy- of repression. But you will NOT succeed. These mayors, governors, city councils, police chiefs, and street cops of America need to realize that it is NOT UP TO THEM whether or not Americans peaceably gather, protest, discuss, or demonstrate. It’s up to a document called the US CONSTITUTION. You can beat us and arrest us and tear-gas us, you can try to “permit” us to death….but you can’t kill an idea. You can’t keep down a people’s hopes and dreams for a better life….for us, and for our kids. America USED to work. The people had work. The system worked (sort of). Hey, EVEN the Congress used to work (sometimes). God knows, it was far, far, far from perfect -but at least we all had some share in the struggles AND the rewards. But somewhere along the way, we lost our way. Because now we have an economy and a political system that seems to work only for the rich. With OWS America has found it’s voice, and that voice demands fairness and justice – for ALL. This land IS our land! AND WE WANT IT BACK! We want our LIVES back! We want our FUTURE back! But it’s much more than just words…. it’s much more than politics….. it’s your freakin’ LIFE, and how you want to live it, and how you WILL live it. Find a quiet place somewhere, and consider this: Each of us has only one brief life….one chance….one roll of the dice….and many choices. The time has come to choose….to risk…and to act. If not now…then when? If not you, then….who? You DO have the power my friend….and the choice IS yours. Don’t let your dreams die….
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/you-cant-kill-idea
there is another kinda important right we are missing in nyc.
the right to bear arms.
more than a few laws to infringe upon that one.
Admin – You Can’t Kill an Idea = A+++
OWS says: “We occupy to create a vision of equality, liberty and social justice onto the blank paving stones of public parks, in the silent hallways of abandoned schools, banks, and beyond.” What does this mean? What “silent hallways of abandoned schools” are you referring to and how is a vision of equality created in a “silent hallway” (even in general) by OWS’ occupation?
I have followed OWS from many sources, so I am not influenced by any particular side. I look at things to see what makes sense and what things I can support, and I am glad to have read the info on this site which provides a good understanding of OWS’ goals. Indeed, I support OWS’ belief in the rights granted us by the Constitution. But OWS says to occupy is to exercise our freedom to assemble and to liberate space. Okay. We all have the freedom to assemble, and over the years courts have reviewed this right and determined its application under certain conditions. OWS should not ignore these court rulings because the Constitution provides for such review.
So what I can tell is that OWS wants to let people know that anyone can just plop down anywhere on public property and this means that the space occupied is now “liberated”? This is what I don’t understand. Before OWS occupied the “silent hallways” or the “blank paving stones” in a park, were these things “unliberated”? Now that OWS has liberated the silent hallways, what is the hallway liberated from? The writings above say OWS is liberating spaces from the “fear that constricts and confines us.” What does this mean? I never knew a fear existed over a silent hallway of an abandoned school. I am simply responding to the words written here about OWS.
My issue is that OWS is working with conceptual principles and purposely putting them into play without any real good reason to do so. OWS occupies just to show that it can occupy. That’s it? I never knew there was an issue about the right to assemble. And OWS doesn’t elevate the issue any higher by in essence saying, “So, there! I assembled in your public property! See what I can do? Now what are you going to do?”
If OWS is looking to invite people “to listen, speak, share, learn, and act,” then when is that going to occur? And about what? It appears that OWS is using the media to share its points (or at least not having any objection to media coverage), so is the media yet another “space” to be liberated?
I agree that we as citizens can change our social customs, but it takes time and patience. I know we want things to change right now and asap, but we know that things don’t change like that. No one saw Martin Luther King demand social change overnight. He was aware of the urgency of his cause, but he also asked that others “conduct [their] struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline.” This necessarily includes being patient, not necessarily with the opposition, but with the OWS cause.
I see OWS participants being impatient and angry because they want change NOW. Social behavior doesn’t work that way. I trust OWS leaders (are there any?) are well-read in sociology and social rebellion to have a good understanding of the best way to make a point in today’s society. It takes time. That’s probably why the police have a hard time with OWS; OWS just sits down and occupies property, setting up makeshift homes and communities, without taking the time to “listen, speak,” etc.
So OWS’ message is verified by its actions: all OWS wants to do is show it can plop down on public property because it can. I support our Constitutional rights, but this is on the level of people gathering in a space to shout anything they want just so they can exercise their freedom of speech. If OWS wants social change (otherwise, why have a rebellion?), what does OWS want changed? As of now, all I have seen and read and based on OWS’ actions, OWS wants to change the way we view public property and our right to assemble there. That’s it? I know there’s a bigger statement here and I am not ignoring the social plights and woes that are occurring right before our eyes. And I know that the people’s power to assemble for what ever reason reassures those in power that the people do indeed have a voice and deserve to be heard on any cause.
The revolutionary spirit may be in OWS, but if OWS is fighting for something and utilizing the freedom of assembling in a space to eventually make a change, then I would ask that OWS say what it is fighting for. If the only thing being sought is to liberate space, then the fight is not exactly on the list of things worth fighting for because I do not believe the right was ever really threatened (that is, not until OWS decided to test the limits of that right).
OWS: a rebel without a cause? At this time, yes.
Thank you.
Robert
You need to do more investigation. Their message is simple. If you choose to ignore it, that is your problem.
Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.
Looks like LLPOH’s only pathetic response to my obliteration of his specious nonsense is to give me a thumbs down.
I wonder if he has the balls to ever post on the site again, or will he crawl away like that cur Smokey.
Occupy Fairbanks make front page-does their new tent & stove violate their permit? Hey, it’s -15 F out today. http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/16434663/article-Gimme-Shelter–Warming-tent-could-get-Occupy-Fairbanks-in-hot-water-with-the-borough?instance=home_lead_story
Admin,
I have done a lot of investigation and research. I am not ignoring any problem, that is why I read here and comment. If I don’t understand or agree with the purpose of OWS, it’s not because I haven’t investigated enough or am ignoring anything. You missed my point entirely.
You say that OWS is “fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations.” That’s the idea, but what’s the plan? Like I said in my prior comment, OWS’ plan appears to fight back against the corrosive power by occupying public property. How is this going to fight back against the corrosive power of the banks and corporations? No one has explained that. Your response doesn’t say anything about that; it repeats the general goals and hopes: OWS “aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.” How do you plan to expose this info? By tenting in a park?
Yes, the message is simple. It’s always simple (e.g., we all want world peace). The hard — and necessary — part is getting it done. Action. Here, the only action I see is moving onto public property. OWS is taking on a giant, I’m sure you will agree. So, if the plan is to occupy public property – and no one has stated otherwise – to fight the giants, then patience is defininately needed.
Thanks
Robert
Was the general public focused on any of the issues that have been raised by OWS two months ago?
By making noise and occupying space all over the country, millions of people have heard the message that Wall Street is a criminal enterprise and needs to be brought down.
You people are stuck in the old paradigm of the existing social order. If you understand we are in the midst of a Fourth Turning you would realize the old order will be swept away. Linear thinkers don’t like it. The older you are, the less likely you will like it. But guess what? It doesn’t matter what you think. It is happening and things will get more chaotic and violent as time passes.
You will have to choose sides. Will you choose the side of the young or the side of the old?
Robert… Have you heard the phrase “shoveling shit against the tide”?
OWS gets fucked over.
********************** BREAKING NEWS ***********************
Judge REJECTS Temporary Restraining Order to Allow Liberty Square Reoccupation.
The full transcript (4 pages) of the Judge’s opinion can be found here;
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/266874/ows111511.pdf
I would like to highlight one paragraph copied and pasted directly from the transcript. Keep in mind the plaintiff is OWS.
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“At oral argument, the Court granted, without opposition, an application to participate at oral argument by counsel on behalf of John Samuleson, as President of Transport Workers Union of America Local 1 00, Marsha Spinowitz, as President of Transport Workers Union of America Local 101, the NY Communities Exchange, and the Working Families party, who sought to “intervene as plaintiffs.” Leave to participate was granted solely forthe purpose of oral argument, as the City disputed the intervenors’ standing in this lawsuit.”
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My point? Some pretty hefty union involvement with OWS.
Yes, Jim, OWS has done a TREMENDOUS job spreading the messege that “Wall Street is a criminal enterprise and needs to be brought down.” Tremendous!!!! You are 100% correct.
But, Robert is also 100% correct, imho. They need to get out of the tents. Move on to the next phase. Like … maybe actually letting people know what they want? Or is stating one’s goals and demands part of the old paridigm?
Wasn’t me who gave you the thumbs down. If I crawl away it won’t be as a cur, but out of disgust.
Admin,
I read and wrote to this site to explore the OWS goal and to learn more by asking questions which I believe are reasonable to ask. As it appears you are a spokesperson for OWS on this site, you have not answered any of my questions about OWS. You’ve repeated OWS’ message and wish list, but nothing about how the goals are to be achieved by the occupying actions taken by OWS.
Instead, you classify me in a group (“you people”) and tell me that my thinking “doesn’t matter” if I am not thinking as you prefer. You then divide the movement into sides for the “young” and “old.”
Of greater concern is the reference to the Fourth Turning. I was unaware before I read your comment that OWS is modeling its movement after this theory.
You say that “by making noise and occupying space all over the country, millions of people have heard the message that Wall Street is a criminal enterprise and needs to be brought down.” Okay, I get that. But does OWS expect to bring down the corporate giants by sleeping overnite in a park? Even if the entire world population hears the message that Wall Street is criminal, then what? Trust me, people have known for years of the greed and criminality of Wall Street, but as you note, the general public did not raise a lot of stink about it. Now OWS is raising a stink. Ok, your next move?
You say in reference to the new social order that “It is happening and things will get more chaotic and violent as time passes.” Is OWS doing anything to stop the choas and violence, or is OWS simply letting people know about it? Is chaos and violence what OWS wants? I hope not.
You tell me that “You people are stuck in the old paradigm of the existing social order.” You then ask me if I will “choose the side of the young or the side of the old?” So after 2-3 comments, your final response to me is a request to either join up or shut up. Not a good example for promotion of freedom of speech.
Thank you for the discourse. I will continue to review and follow the OWS. Contrary to your assumption, I do get OWS’ message. I have reviewed and researched many sociological theories, such as the First-Fourth Turnings. I understand now that OWS is better described as a means to live out the Fourth Turning rather than a movement to avoid it. If OWS believes it (i.e., world economic crisis and disorder) will occur no matter what, then OWS has too little faith in itself for me to be a part of this club. I prefer to make a change, not just talk about.
Please note, admin, that those who may not want to join your club are not necessarily “old” people who have no vision for the future. We just do it in more positive and structured ways. Sometimes age has its benifits.
Thanks.
Robert, where you have been all my TBP life?! We’re soul brothers!! I would add that OWS still seems and has always seemed to me an EMOTIONAL response to the problems we can all see. There’s nothing wrong with emotional responses. We’re going to need a lot of sustained emotion to accomplish anything. But OWS is still like a child’s temper tantrum. I keep hoping for some INTELLECT and some adult content. Until that develops, I keep hoping for some better tactics. OWS is fighting for the right to camp in public spaces? If I was the King of OWS I’d have a field day with all of the places to occupy. Let’s leave Zucotti when the Mayor demands it and occupy the NY Fed. After that we could occupy Fraternal Order of Police headquarters and educate them about how their union pension promises are not worth the paper they’re printed on. When forced to leave there, NY is chock full of juicy locations to occupy. And everytime we occupied a new place I’d take that chance to highlight for the world how that particular institution is linked in with the whole mess we’re in (as a victim or a perpetrator, or both). It would be a rolling educational program broadcast live to the world! Pretty soon the Mayor would be begging us to just stay put (and quit shining the stark light of reality on so many cesspools in NYC). And let’s make some reasonable demands! How about releasing the 88.4% of MF Global customers’s money that is NOT missing or contested in anyway. How about moving in to vacant properties foreclosed with fraudulent documents and refusing to leave until criminal charges are filed (this would be my main tactic during the winter so our Valley Forge protesters could sleep indoors!).
What I find unexpected is that Admin is so critical of anyone who criticizes OWS for not having any discernible content when he himself is so right about so much of the content. Quinn for King of OWS!!
Robert
You are stuck in a very old paradigm by arguing logically and, even worse, …. NICELY!
You’re fucked if you don’t wise up, bud.
Are you aware of the ancient art of Shit Flinging? If not, lemme know if you need any lessons. I’d be happy to be your mentor.
thc
Since Robert is your “soul brother” perhaps you can follow his example and learn how to use a FUCKING PARAGRAPH break!
It would make your long-winded bullshit a lot easier to read. Does your computer have an “enter” key? Do you know to to press it? I suspect ‘yes’ to both answers, so quit being a damned maroon and learn how to use it!
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PS — Robert, that’s just a small minor example of Shit Flinging. So simple even a caveman can do it.
thc
I really didn’t mean what I wrote. Just trying to teach Robert the Way Of The TBP Warrior. 8)
Robert – The shit throwing monkeys are starting to come out of the woodwork – be careful!
I read and write to educate myself and have fun as well. So when a “movement” arises I am curious. I was hoping that I could get some answers from an admin that seemingly speaks for OWS, but admin was quite evasive and not helpful to OWS’ cause at all.
The NYC incident occurred after OWS went to court to petition for a TRO to stop the police from moving them out of the park. The court at first granted the petition, but then later denied it. Why? The court stated:
“The Court is mindful of [OWS]’ First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and peaceable assembly. However, ‘[e]ven protected speech is not equally permissible in all places and at all times.’ (Snyder v Phelps, 131 S Ct 1207, 1218 [2011], quoting Cornelius v NAACP Legal Defense & Ed. Fund, Inc., 473 US 788, 799 [1985].) Here, [OWS] have not demonstrated that the rules adopted by the owners of the [Zuccotti Park] property, concededly after the demonstrations began, are not reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions permitted under the First Amendment.”
Thus, OWS failed to produce the evidence needed to win on its petition. As OWS respects the Constitution and the rights granted therein, and because OWS calls upon the court to resolve the rights dispute, OWS must necessarily understand and comply with rules and case law to establish its right to exercise its freedoms. The OWS attorney failed to do this. Don’t blame the system. Blame the attorney.
This is my point. I don’t see things as black and white as admin does (e.g., are you going to join the new or stay with the old?). I prefer to find the most sensible aspects of all arguments and then base my opinions and beliefs on all that. And what I see is that OWS is more concerned with the concept of testing the limits of Constitutional rights than to “fight against” corporate corruption. Otherwise, actions taken would be different.
So, thank you, OWS, for spreading the message you spread. But get a new attorney; that will help your cause a little bit. Adios.
Occupy Wall Street is about greed.
Greed is expecting someone else to pay for your ignorance because you think you have a right to their assets.
Occupy Wall Street does not stand for America. There is a fundamental difference between insurrection and restoration that these “well educated” useful idiots do not grasp. Che and Lenin would be proud that these people have not learned the lessons that history repeatedly shown.
Ken
Go back to your regularly scheduled Fox News Propaganda show. Isn’t your buddy Rush Limbaugh busy spewing racist bullshit you can agree with?