Should we blame the ruling elite or should we hold the people accountable fro their actions. It’s good to see Philly isn’t the only place to find a good flash mob. Are there any similarities? Any at all?
Witnesses describe mobs, some people claim racially-charged attacks
WEST ALLIS – Witnesses tell Newsradio 620 WTMJ and TODAY’S TMJ4 of a mob of young people attacking innocent fair-goers at the end of the opening night of State Fair, with some callers claiming a racially-charged scene.
Milwaukee Police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair.
Witnesses’ accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.
Authorities have not given official estimates of the number of people involved in the attacks.
“It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people,” said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ. He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.
“They were attacking everybody for no reason whatsoever.”
“It was 100% racial,” claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car.
“I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn’t do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody’s windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it.”
Eric, a war veteran, said that the scene he saw Thursday outside State Fair compares to what he saw in combat.
“That rated right up there with it. When I saw the amount of kids coming down the road, all I kept thinking was, ‘There’s not enough cops to handle this.’ There’s no way. It would have taken the National Guard to control the number of kids that were coming off the road. They were knocking people off their motorcycles.”
Another witness, who asked to remain anonymous, said, “it was like a scene you needed the National Guard to control.”
“To me, it looked like a scene out of a movie,” claimed the anonymous witness.
“I have not seen anything like this in my life. It was a huge mob, and it was a fight that maybe lasted one to two minutes.”
Roffers claimed that as he left the state fair with his wife, crowds near that entrance were large, and someone in that crowd .
“As we got closer to the street, we looked up the road, and we saw a quite a bit of commotion going on and there was a guy laying in the road, and nobody was even laying there. He wasn’t even moving. Finally a car pulled up. They stopped right next to the guy, and it looked like someone was going to help him. We were kind of stuck, because we couldn’t cross. Traffic was going through. Young black men running around, beating on people, and we were like ‘Let’s get the heck out of here.’ The light turned, and I got attacked from behind. I just got hit in the back of the head real hard. I’m like, ‘What the heck is going on here?’ I heard my bell ring.”
Roffers further described what witnesses said happened to the man who was lying in the street.
“People were saying he was on a bike. They tore him off his bike and beat on him. We were walking to the west on Schlinger. I was watching behind me a lot more diligently, making sure there wasn’t anybody coming to get us anymore.”
One person claimed that someone was knocked off a motorcycle.
TODAY’S TMJ4 video shows West Allis police handcuffing at least one person, but they won’t say how many people they took into custody.
Some witnesses described attacks on the State Fair Grounds as well.
Milwaukee Police said that their officers were sent to State Fair Park for “complaints of battery, fighting and property damage due to a large, unruly crowd.”
A police sergeant told TODAY’S TMJ4’s Melissa McCrady that the number of calls describing injuries are still coming in, so they could not give an accurate number of people who were injured.
That sergeant explained that some injuries were serious, and local hospitals were attending to the injured.
As of early Friday morning, Milwaukee Police said they had no one in custody.
One woman told police that she was sitting in her car with a window down when some teenagers reached through her window and started attacking her.
“I think once we get all the info in it’ll be just like that, like what happened in Riverwest,” said the police sergeant.
West Allis Police ask you to call them at 414-302-8000 if you have any information.
Eric: “I feared for my life”
Eric, who asked Newsradio 620 WTMJ not to use his last name, talked about the incidents that happened as he, his wife and a neighbor left the fair Thursday.
“We exited at the Schlinger and 84th exit, and we walked south about a block, and then went up and got our car, came back up and around down Schlinger. When we made a left hand turn, we were stopped in traffic. I looked toward the bridge, right before you get on the freeway, and all I saw was a road full of black kids, jumping over people’s cars, jumping on people’s hoods, running over the top of them.”
Eric then claimed that he saw hundreds of young black people coming down a sidewalk.
“I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face.”
Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.
“My wife pulled me back in because she didn’t want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn’t see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage.”
Eric claimed that the victim in that beating was by himself, and that there was a split of white people on one sidewalk and black people on the other.
“There was nobody else around to help him. There were no other white people, period, on that side of the street. They were going in the opposite direction because, those people who were coming out of the fair that saw these people coming, they either went back into the fair or took off running south on 84th Street.”
Eric expressed anger at the State Fair Police for what he considered a lack of response.
“The thing that irritated me, the State Fair Police, the State Police, were down by the Pettit entrance to get in there,” said Eric. “There was probably 5 or 6 officers down there. That’s where all these kids came from. They came out of the Midway, across the front of the Pettit. They were still filing out of there. The State Fair Police, they knew this was going on. They knew these kids were beating these guys in between that exit and Schlinger at the next gate.”
“They were stopping traffic, and I said ‘What in the hell,’ excuse my language, ‘what are you guys doing directing traffic when there are 300, 400 black kids up the road beating the hell out of everybody, pushing people off of motorcycles?’ I was livid. I could not believe they were directing traffic.”
Fair worker: attacks not limited to outside fairgrounds
A witness told WTMJ that as he worked in a kiosk at the State Fair Midway, he saw what he described as “a Riverwest type mob. Easily between 50 – 100 kids all under 18 and all African American. They were running around knocking people over (young kids and adults), looting the Midway games (stealing the prizes), starting fights.”
The witness, who asked not to be identified, couldn’t say for certain if only white people were being attacked.
“It was just complete chaos. There were police on horses, lots of security guards, and EMT’s on the scene. They never got control of the area.”
A State Fair spokeswoman said that there were arrests made involving the incidents on the grounds.
He said that as the violence happened, he was “getting ready to grab my cash register and run.”
“Not to mention this type of behavior started around 7pm and forced me to close down my stand at 9pm. It scared the paying customers out of the midway.”
The man said hoping to bring family on Friday, but has decided not to.
“I was planning on bringing my two kids to the fair tonight. I won’t be. We’ll go to the zoo instead.”
Woman: Teenagers in mob didn’t attend rap concert
One woman who asked not to be identified tells us that contrary to some belief, the young people involved in the mob did not go to the rap concert that night.
“The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert,” said the woman.
“I attended that concert with three of my friends last night and the crowd was mostly white and adult (as are my friends and I). Any kids there seemed to be with parents.”
She described what she saw as she left the fair.
“As we came through the exit we saw a white boy lying in the street, in the fetal position right by the traffic light, and coming towards us was tons and tons and black teens – there had to have been over a hundred – in the middle of 84th Street and on the sidewalk headed south,” she said.
“Some who stopped to kick or punch him – or in the case of one girl drop kick him in the head – as they walked past. My friends and I started towards him to help him up and a black girl walked past telling us ‘ya’ll gonna get your ***** kicked’ repeatedly. As my friend stood in front of the boy trying to get him up one of the teens picked up a traffic cone, hit her in the back of the head and ran off. A car stopped, a white woman got out to try and help. Teens jumped onto the hood of the car and ran over it. She just kept saying ‘What is wrong with you!?’ ”
The witness also told us that not every African-American teenager outside the fair grounds acted violent.
“We continued to move towards the parking lot, through even more black teenagers. Thankfully this part of the crowd was not violent.”
Roffers: “What in the hell’s going on there?”
Roffers described his emotions and reactions to the attacks outside the park.
“I turned around and looked, there was this black kid standing there laughing, thinking it’s funny. My wife’s like, ‘Let’s get out of here.’ It’s one of those things, you don’t expect it. Your reaction to it is, first of all, quite surprised, then you get so angry, it’s like, ‘What in the hell’s going on there? Why are these guys acting like such hoodlums? What are they picking on anybody for?’ We were just like cattle being herded out of the park, and they were picking and choosing who they wanted to beat on.”
He said his injuries were limited to a headache.
Roffers said the attack wouldn’t stop him from attending the State Fair.
“We will be going back,” said Roffers.
“It’s a family event for us. We get together with our family and we do stuff at the park to enjoy the fair. My biggest concern is that the State Fair Park Police and West Allis get their heads out of their butts and figure out how to do some security over there. This isn’t the first year State Fair has been going on. They should know what the heck they’ve got to do and where they’ve got to have people in place by now.”
He said that the fear spread beyond those who he believed were the target.
“There were a lot of people scared,” claimed Roffers.
“There were even some young black girls. They were screaming. They were running across the road. This one girl was like, ‘I don’t know how I’m going to get out of here. I’m all by myself.’ My wife heard her saying that. She said, ‘Walk with us. Stay with us and you’ll be OK.’ We told her we were going down the street. If she needed any assistance, we were just going down to our car. She needed to go quite a way.”
“There was this terror going on when you leave the place, you just wonder. Luckily, all the violence that was happening stayed right close by the park entrance. As we got a block away from the park, that’s when the cops started showing up.”
He said the lack of police and security presence will bring about his complaint up the various channels of State Fair and local police.
“They should be able to provide safety and traffic control,” said Roffers. “I’ve never worried about it before.”
He said he would give a written complaint to the State Fair and put in a call to West Allis Police, but that’s not all.
“I will be contacting the State Fair Park Board and I’m going to chew on their butts a little bit about what happened.”
State Fair spokeswoman: “Unfortunate situation, hopefully an isolated situation.”
State Fair Director of Marketing and Communication Kathleen O’Leary told Newsradio 620 WTMJ’s “Wisconsin’s Morning News” that the incidents should not stop people from coming to the fair.
“Certainly, don’t change your plans,” said O’Leary. “Please understand that this is an unfortunate situation, hopefully an isolated situation.”
Though witnesses had reported incidents inside the fair, she said the problems were mainly outside the fairgrounds.
“Not so much inside,” claimed O’Leary.
“We had complete control inside of what was happening inside of our gates. It’s what what spread into the neighborhoods.”
O’Leary also pointed out that the fair has “taken measures already with the bag checks, when you come into the fair,” but will increase authorities’ presence for the remaining days at the fair.
“We will be taking severe measures, significant measures. We are in task force already, circling back around, doing everything that we can to make sure the experience is enjoyable and that the safety is insured,” said O’Leary.
“They see the yellow security shirts. We have mounted police. We have bike police. We have our patrolling police. We have undercover police. That’s all because that’s exactly what we want. We want the safety measures intact at every turn.”
One of these mobs IS going to fuck with the wrong cracker and get dropped with two to the face. Just a matter of time, really.
I repeat: we need a cull.
Well, we could just do a national day wherein the laws against murder are suspended for 24 hours. How about that? I think that would work to depopulate those with no morals and even less intelligence…
I don’t think anyone would get convicted for opening fire on one of these mobs. I can hear the defense: “It was self-defense”. And then they would parade one beaten victim after another in front of the jury to support their case. The only catch might be a weapons charge. But murder? Never.
I had a ‘Bernie Goetz American Hero’ bumpersticker on my 1982 Dodge Monaco, so it was a long time ago. If you don’t remember or know who Bernie Goetz was he was a Jewish guy from NYC who got tired of black punks robbing him and other people on the subway. Took his gun with him one day and plugged 5 of them.
Stories like this is why I don’t comment on Administrators anti-cop screeds. He feels one way, I fell another. I don’t mind a little ‘extra judicial’ punishment by the cops. In fact, in situations like this I’d like the cops to put the handcuffs on so tight the bastards would have permanent nerve damage and wouldn’t be able to make a fist again. Lord knows they will not use their hands for work so best
to just leave them paralyzed.
Senseless
Wouldnt happen in arizona.People act real polite when everyone can have guns.People here dont even flip people off in traffic anymore.
To anyone who thinks there would be no trouble in the reverse case, read “Bonfire of the Vanities”.
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Don’t be hatin’ … just sayin’ ….
“It’s good to see Philly isn’t the only place to find a good flash mob.”
Administrator, you got to be f—k–g kidding me! Have you driven through the 30 blocks of squalor one time too many? Has your brain been addled by too many weeks of Fail, The People of WalMart, and the trash minds commenting on TBP?
It’s not good to see flash mobs on Philly, at the Wisconsin State Fair, or elsewhere.
@Stucky
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When whites have a flash mob
YOU HAVE TO REACH BACK FOR HISTORICAL EVIDENCE CIRCA THE 1920’S AND PASS IT OFF AS ‘FACT’.
FILTHY FAGGOT POLEMICS!~
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Jesus H Krist … did you people take a Stupid Pill today??
Scott
1) The KKK is STILL active TODAY.
2) The point is the KKK is nothing more than a flash mob … only the skin color changes.
3) Try to grow two or more brain cells before you take me on.
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Interesting to watch the fall of my country. The only way to stop it is through action. That will never happen. A commie in the oval office. A people to engrossed on jersey shore and the like to care. Who is going to step up? No one. We die by larger chunks each day. Very sad.
it’d be shocking. were it not so predictable. and inevitable. has happened before, gonna happen again.
Meanwhile, in London, the BBC reports, “Police launch a major investigation team in the wake of widespread rioting in north London which saw attacks on people, fires and looting.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438109
It’s viral.
WTF, no head shotz? Don’t Wussyconsins carry?
Mounting frustration fuels London riot, as looting continues Sunday night
As London surveyed the damage Sunday after a small anti-police demonstration spiralled into looting and violence that left 26 police officers injured and led to 55 arrests, many sought to cast the blame beyond the rioters themselves.
In Tottenham, the northern London neighbourhood at the centre of the rioting, residents spoke of twin perils that had converged to leave their streets scarred and smouldering Sunday.
Images of the destruction from London’s Tottenham riots Frustration in this impoverished neighbourhood, as in many others in Britain, has mounted as the government’s austerity budget has forced deep cuts in social services. At the same time, a widely held disdain for law enforcement here, where a large Afro-Caribbean population has felt singled out by the police for abuse, has only intensified through the drumbeat of scandal that has racked Scotland Yard in recent weeks and led to the resignation of the force’s two top commanders.
The sense of disarray and incompetence at the top levels of Scotland Yard have led to calls for a wide-ranging shake-up, with an added element of urgency because of the Olympic Games. Set to start in July just a few kilometres from where the rioting broke out in Tottenham, the Games have been described as posing one of the largest challenges ever to the British police.
The riot was the latest in what has turned out to be a season of unrest in Britain, with multiple demonstrations escalating into violence in recent months. And there was not long to wait until a new one erupted: Across London, skirmishes broke out Sunday between groups of young people and large numbers of riot police officers, which one officer said were drawn from forces around London.
In Enfield, a usually calm suburb, shop windows were smashed and debris lay in the street. In nearby Edmonton, groups of young people gathered near damaged storefronts. In Tottenham itself, roads were closed, a helicopter hovered overhead and squads of police vans swooped in to make arrests in side streets.
The episode in Tottenham began as a small and peaceful march, in which residents gathered outside a police station to protest the killing of a local man, Mark Duggan, in a shooting by police officers last week. Scotland Yard has said that Duggan, who was riding in a taxi at the time of the shooting, was the subject of a “preplanned operation” by officers. The police officers involved in the shooting have been quoted in newspapers as saying that they had come under fire, which slightly wounded one of the officers, before they began to shoot.
It was unclear where things went wrong Saturday night, and there were conflicting accounts.
A statement by Scotland Yard said the flashpoint came when police cars were attacked at 8:20 p.m. by “certain elements” – a phrase that other police comments suggested meant local troublemakers who used the protest as a chance to act violently. But Tottenham residents talked about rumours of a physical confrontation between a police officer and a 16-year-old girl that enraged the demonstrators.
The march turned into a pitched battle between hundreds of officers, some on horses, and equal numbers of rioters, wearing bandanas and armed with makeshift weapons that included table legs and an aluminum crutch. Looting throughout northern London continued past dawn, leaving streets littered with glass. In daylight, residents emerged to survey buildings, many considered landmarks, that had been left gutted and smouldering.
The police said, in a statement, that there “was no indication that the protest would deteriorate into the levels of criminal and violent disorder that we saw.” The force’s priority had been to preserve life, the statement said, though the looting was “regrettable.” It said a major inquiry had been started to find and arrest those responsible for the violence.
Economic malaise and cuts in spending and services instituted by the Conservative-led government have been recurring flashpoints for months.
Late last year, students demonstrating against a rise in tuition fees occupied a building near Parliament and clashed repeatedly with the police. Prince Charles and his wife, Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, were attacked in their Rolls-Royce as protesters – some of whom were subsequently jailed – shouted “Tory scum,” a reference to the Conservative Party’s traditional links with the aristocracy, and “off with their heads!”
The Metropolitan Police force, once one of Britain’s most respected institutions, has also been severely criticized for its role in the anti-austerity riots – for use of excessive force, or for being perpetually unprepared for the sheer levels of rage unleashed on London’s streets.
The force’s former commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, said last year that he was “embarrassed” by the failure to prevent protesters from occupying buildings. Sir Paul is one of two senior officers who were forced to step down last month as information about links with the tabloid News of the World emerged as part of the phone-hacking scandal that has enveloped Rupert Murdoch’s media empire. Senior officers have been openly chastised by politicians, and the police investigation into newspaper abuses is also looking into allegations that police officers had been bribed.
Concern in the government has risen to the point where Prime Minister David Cameron, a strong advocate of a police overhaul, has pressed for the search for the next head of Scotland Yard, due to be appointed within weeks, to be widened to include successful candidates from outside Britain.
Unemployment and lack of hope equate to the worst of human behavior.
Every. Fucking. Time.
With youth unemployment topping 20% – especially for minorities – just how long did we think the tech generation, raised on Grand Theft Auto and violence (not to mention hubris and idiocy), would do once boredom started to turn to despair?
Predictable, and sadly will only get worse.
And yes, I truly believe our only defense is a well-armed, moral, population.
Too bad that the government and corpocracy have done everything in their powers to make sure that cannot happen.
Batten down the hatches, the shit is only just beginning to hit the proverbial fan.
Teresa +1 for stating the obvious !
These flash mobs are being paid by George Soros, vis-a-vis orders from President Obama, to give excuse for martial law. Soros currently has recruiters out in force in every major metropolitan area, and flash mobs will be in every city soon. Enjoy!
Flash said: “WTF, no head shotz? Don’t Wussyconsins carry?”
Wisconsin was an absolute 100% NO legal concealed carry state until about a week ago. A little over a week ago a law was passed for “Shall issue” concealed carry permits. I doubt that anyone was licensed under that law by the time this riot happened a few days later.
I’m sure this mob will encourage more people in Wisconsin to get their licenses ASAP!!!
Oh, btw, that leaves Obummer’s “home” state of Illinois as the one and only state in the country without some form of concealed carry law.
Persnickety says:
Flash said: “WTF, no head shotz? Don’t Wussyconsins carry?”
I carried for years without a permit and all across the eastern seaboard. The only reason I refused to get a carry permit was that I didn’t want some fat punk-ass POS cop rolling my fingers around on a piece of paper like he frikkin owned ’em.
I finally succumbed to pressure to get a concealed carry , but my motto has always been better judged by 12 than carried by six.
I personally like this statement from another site:
Martin King was right when he said we should judge people by the content of their character.
So let’s do some judging.
We form entirely reasonable opinions by observing ordinary things about other people. For instance, are they considerate, courteous and pleasant or are they obnoxious, confrontational and crude? Do they dress to an acceptable standard, or wear offensive costumes? Are they thought well of, or are they habitual troublemakers?
Are they dependable and honest, or untrustworthy and criminal? Are they reasonably intelligent and inquisitive, or ignorant and incurious but deviously clever? Are they sociable and cooperative, or consumed with self interest? Do they speak intelligibly, or use gang slang? Can they disagree without insults, threats or violence?
Are their kids well behaved, or foul-mouthed junior street thugs? Do they value education, or are schools just their free day care? Are they self-reliant, or does the world owe them a living? Do they take personal responsibility, or is somebody else always to blame? Do they give others the benefit of the doubt, or do they see others as cunning victimizers?
Are they truthful about their personal history, or is it a pastiche of self-serving fantasy? Do they plan for the future, or lunge at short-term payoffs? Do they earn respect, or demand it? Do they believe race is irrelevant, or do they use race to extort preferences?
King had it right, judging people by the content of their character is reasonable and just. We should do more of it.