V FOR VENDETTA – 2011(Oldie but Not Goodie)

It has been almost two years since I whipped this article out in a one day sleepless frenzy. I was then reminded of it by the BART incident, the London riots and the indictment of the Tea Party as terrorists by the liberal MSM and Democratic politicians in the summer of 2011, so I posted it again . There were calls for civility that week. I knew it wouldn’t happen. Now the horrific mass murder in Connecticut brought it back to my mind again. This Fourth Turning gets worse by the day.

 

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot…

 

After the horrific mass murder in Tucson yesterday I had trouble sleeping last night. When my mind gets overloaded, I can’t sleep. I came downstairs at 3:30 am and for some reason decided now was the time to watch the movie V For Vendetta. Many people had recommended this movie over the years, but I had never gotten around to it. Well, on the day after the attempted assassination of a Congresswoman and murder of six others, including a Federal Judge, this movie provided a vision into what could happen next in this country.

The 2006 movie centers around a man wearing a Guy Fawkes mask who refers to himself as V.  He is a bold, charismatic freedom fighter driven to exact revenge on those who disfigured him.  The film is an allegory of oppression and coercion by government. It is a declaration against government intervention into the lives of the citizens. He blows up the Old Bailey on November 5, Guy Fawkes Day. He promises to blow up Parliament one year later on the 5th of November. His speech at the beginning of the movie, broadcast to all of England, explains what happened in a fictional England and what is happening here:

“Good evening, London.

Allow me first to apologize, for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security, the familiar, the tranquility, repetition… I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone’s death or the end of some awful, bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is certainly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.

There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I think that even now orders are been shouted into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because when the truncheon maybe used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who would listen, the enunciation of the truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression, and where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission? How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again, truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid! Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease… There were a myriad problems that conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor, Adam Suttler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient, consent.

Last night, I sought to end that silence. Last night, I destroyed the Old Bailey to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than 400 years ago, a great citizen wished to embed the 5th of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then, I would suggest you allow the 5th of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a 5th of November that shall never, ever, be forgot.”

 

The movie’s central theme revolves around the 1605 Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament. The plot was a failed assassination attempt against King James I of England by a group of provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby. The plan was to blow up the House of Lords during the State Opening of Parliament on November 5, 1605, as the prelude to a popular revolt in the Midlands during which James’s nine-year-old daughter, Princess Elizabeth, was to be installed as the Catholic head of state.

  

 Guy Fawkes, who had 10 years of military experience fighting in the Spanish Netherlands in suppression of the Dutch Revolt, was given charge of the explosives. The plot was revealed to the authorities in an anonymous letter sent to William Parker, 4th Baron Monteagle. During a search of the House of Lords at about midnight on November 4, 1605, Fawkes was discovered guarding 36 barrels of gunpowder – enough to reduce the House of Lords to rubble – and arrested. He was hanged shortly thereafter. November the 5th has been celebrated ever since this event with celebrations and fireworks.

Anarchy Has Arrived

There’s no certainty – only opportunity. V – V For Vendetta

 

As I watched hour after hour of coverage about the ambush and assassination attempt on a Congresswoman from Arizona, I couldn’t help but think this could be the spark for something bigger. There were almost immediate reactions from the MSM that this murder was instigated by the Tea Party. The liberal ideologue Paul Krugman blamed the Republican Party for the murders. Apoplectic left wing faux journalist Keith Olbermann described conservative commentators as those “who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism”. The local sheriff, an Arizona State Senator and the Congresswoman’s father all blamed the Tea Party, either directly or indirectly. Based on my reading of the murderer’s writings and youtubes, he appears to be a mentally deranged psycho. Somehow, every liberal MSM “journalist” has concluded that this was due to the contentious political atmosphere in the country. This is code for “we need less dissent”. Stop disagreeing with the Obama agenda. If you disagree, you are dangerous.

The scene in the movie that made me think of yesterday’s events was toward the end of the movie when Inspector Finch, who is trying to capture V, has a feeling about what is going to happen:

Finch: I had to see it. There wasn’t much left. But when I was there it was strange. I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It’s like I could see the whole thing, one long chain of events that stretched all the way back before Larkhill. I felt like I could see everything that happened, and everything that is going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me. And I realized we’re all part of it, and all trapped by it.
Dominic: So do you know what’s gonna happen?


Finch: No, it was a feeling. But I can guess. With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid. And when they do, things will turn nasty. And then Sutler will be forced to do the only thing he knows how to do. At which point, all V needs to do is keep his word. And then…
[Dominoes collapse with TV footages showing conflicts between rioting citizens and the anti-riot police]

The line that hit me like a ton of bricks was, “With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid.” As Inspector Finch was speaking these words a scene of a policeman shooting a 10 year old girl with a Guy Fawkes Mask on is shown and then an angry mob surrounds and kill the policeman.

Yesterday, someone did something stupid. The question is what happens next.

Already, a fringe religious fanatic pastor and his followers, who have previously picketed the military funerals of Americans killed in Iraq, issued this press release:

 “Thank God for the shooter – 6 dead! WBC will picket their funerals!”  It continues on to condemn what it condemns as violence unleashed on WBC by a “hateful nation…hoping to silence our kind warning to obey God and flee the wrath to come.”

There is one thing I’m sure about. This will not result in more civil discourse. Opposing ideologies will become further entrenched in their positions. Those who attempt to be peacemakers will be shouted down. Passions will rise as they did in the 1850s when another member of Congress was badly injured as national passions flamed over slavery.  On May 19, 1856, Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts, a prominent voice in the anti-slavery movement, delivered an impassioned speech denouncing the compromises that helped perpetuate slavery and led to confrontations in Kansas. Sumner singled out Senator Andrew Pickens Butler of South Carolina. Butler, who had recently been incapacitated by a stroke and was recuperating in South Carolina, was held to particular ridicule by Sumner. Sumner said that Butler had taken as his mistress “the harlot, slavery.” Sumner also referred to the South as an immoral place for allowing slavery, and he mocked South Carolina.

Preston Brooks, a member of the House of Representatives from South Carolina, was particularly incensed. Not only had the fiery Sumner ridiculed his home state, but Brooks was the nephew of Andrew Butler, one of Sumner’s targets. Brooks walked to Sumner’s desk in the Senate chamber, and reportedly said: “You have libeled my state and slandered my relation, who is aged and absent. And I feel it to be my duty to punish you.” With that, Brooks struck the seated Sumner across the head with his heavy cane. Brooks continued raining blows with the cane upon Sumner, who tried to fend them off with his arms. As might be expected, northern newspapers responded to the violent attack on the Senate floor with horror. Southern newspapers published editorials lauding Brooks, claiming that the attack was a justified defense of the south and slavery. Supporters sent Brooks new canes, and Brooks claimed that people wanted pieces of the cane he used to beat Sumner as “holy relics.”

This attack was a foreshadowing of what was to come – the deaths of 600,000 Americans in the space of four years – over 4% of the male population. Yesterday’s tragedy is another step deeper into this Fourth Turning. Every Fourth Turning has proven to be a decisive era of secular upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old civic order with a new one.

Words Matter, Ideas Can Change the World

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. V – V For Vendetta

 

The prior Fourth Turnings in U.S. history (American Revolution, Civil War, Great Depression/World War II) all proved to be secular upheavals of immense proportions, tore apart the existing civil order, but had numerous moments of danger and uncertainty about the future turn of events. We are six years into a twenty year Crisis saeculum. Every Crisis intensifies as time progresses to an ultimate crescendo. The initial financial crisis built to a dramatic peak in September 2008 as the government and Federal Reserve have taken extraordinary and immoral actions to protect Wall Street banks. Since September 11, 2001, the government has used fear as its primary means of controlling the American population. Fear of terrorists, fear of flying, fear of WMD, fear of mushroom clouds, fear of the axis of evil, fear of economic collapse, fear of a Great Depression, and now fear of the Tea Party movement. This attack by a crazy man will lead to further losses of liberties and freedoms. That is a certainty.

Americans have been lulled into a false sense of security. V’s speech to the people of England invokes Ben Franklin:

“I know why you did it. I know you were afraid! Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease… There were a myriad problems that conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor, Adam Suttler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient, consent.” V – V For Vendetta

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

– Ben Franklin

This country has not reached the level of control and fear seen in Orwell’s 1984 and V For Vendetta, yet. We are moving relentlessly in that direction. Surveillance, monitoring, spying, censorship, secret prisons, predator drones, and conforming to state rules and regulations put citizens further under the thumb of an all powerful state. The freedom to dissent, the freedom to be left alone, the freedom to speak out against injustice, the freedom to disagree with your government, and the freedom to present your ideas without fear of retribution or penalty are essential in a democratic society. The next phase of this Fourth Turning will surely include another downward spiral in financial markets as un-payable debts accumulate to a tipping point level. When ATM machines stop spitting out twenties, food shelves are bare and gas stations are shuttered, social chaos will ensue. The government will react with further command and control measures. In V For Vendetta, the government creates a terrorist incident in order to gain unquestioned control over the population. Americans will need to be more vigilant than they have been over the last ten years in keeping an eye on their government.

In the movie, Parliament is the symbol of government power. The thought of destroying this symbol provided the people with a renewed sense of purpose and power. By V’s destruction of the building, the people regained their hope for the future. The symbol of America is the Statue of Liberty. The pedestal at the base of the statue states:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The idea of America is still alive. Whether it is kept alive is up to us. Words matter. Ideas can change the world.

 “I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot… But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know, in 1605, he attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament. But who was he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. I’ve witnessed first hand the power of ideas, I’ve seen people kill in the name of them, and die defending them… but you cannot kiss an idea, cannot touch it, or hold it… ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain, they do not love… And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man… A man that made me remember the Fifth of November. A man that I will never forget.” – Evey Hammond – V For Vendetta

THE IDEA OF AMERICA – THE CHOICE IS OURS

 

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Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:23 pm

When the banksters pretty much own both political parties is their really such a thing as liberal or conservative government?

The way I see it entitlements create deficits and so does big defense spending. Debt debt debt. The difference being one creates things that kill and the other purchases food that kills while both lavish welfare on their masters,

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:24 pm

I think I know what the next product for sale on TBP store of doom will be. -Admin

Umm vinegar to apply to pepper spray burns?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:36 pm

i have been banned from sites from both main political ideologies.

They are both hypocrites.

Smokey
Smokey
January 10, 2011 4:38 pm

Stuck—-When you joined forces with the Administrator on the war-for-oil fiction, you asked for it. You and I are arch enemies from here on. No redemption for you. UNLESS, you happen to reconsider your stance on that issue, in which case I MIGHT have mercy on you.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
January 10, 2011 4:40 pm

“So much for free speech in the liberal media” JimQ

Betchya I’ve been banned from more Conservative websites than you have been banned from Liberal ones 🙂

RE

Smokey
Smokey
January 10, 2011 4:40 pm

Kill Bill—Is there a chance that perhaps you were banned because you are a worthless piece of shit and added nothing to their sites? Not that I’m suggesting that, of course.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:43 pm

Somehow a character from The Muensters trying to intimidate someone into changing their view, for mercy sake, is hilarious,

You funny Smokey,

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:44 pm

Kill Bill—Is there a chance that perhaps you were banned because you are a worthless piece of shit and added nothing to their sites?

The Amazing Kreskin and his tiny crystal balls are wrong once again.

Shocker.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:57 pm

Ms Cleo was a male vampire bat named Smokey.
Whodathunkit?
~~~~~~~~~~~

Actually it was the previous admin that asked for the report from the Bush created DHS titled
The “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” document was produced during the Bush administration, as a quick check of the PDF document’s properties reveals. It was created on January 23, 2007.

So while I agree somewhat with philgramms perception about which party sees more threats within and which sees more threats without, the over generalization in his comment is apparent.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 4:58 pm

My IP address is banned. -Admin

Thats why they make proxy servers =}

Nam Marine
Nam Marine
January 10, 2011 5:14 pm

“AND SO IT BEGINS”………………………………………..Again.

SSS
SSS
January 10, 2011 5:35 pm

Just for the record, writers who are using the description of Jared Loughner as a “liberal, left-wing pothead” are likely using the words of a woman who was a former high school classmate who last saw Loughner in 2007. There may be some credibility lent to her words because she actually knew Loughner, but then again, it may also be just her opinion.

Whoever interviewed the woman certainly didn’t dig any deeper (eg. How do you know he’s a liberal?), because I haven’t read anything which goes beyond that characterization.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
January 10, 2011 7:12 pm

Haven’t seen the movie. Now I want to. Good read. I agree with you, Wynter, that the turning started with 9/11. The War on Terrorism started soon thereafter, then Anthrax and the DC sniper guy… The many failed bombings… The high profile mass murder/suicides. Our society is tearing itself apart, building up to a conclusion like a good movie. Or a bad movie, as is the case.

A civil war between the haves and the havenots is one route, the total police state is another. RE’s Mad max is one, LLPOH’s third world shithole is another. All out Euro style Socialism is possible, as is Bizzaro japan style slow motion deflation death spiral. Same with hyperinflation. There are a great many ways this turning can go still, but not many of them are pretty.

Admin, its too bad about Naked Capitalism, good site, but they do seem a bit uptight. Maybe Yves will let you back on if you promise to call people names without swearing.

SSS
SSS
January 10, 2011 7:41 pm

Punk

Asking Admin to stop calling people names without swearing is akin to asking all dogs and cats to start loving each other. Ain’t gonna happen. When someone really gets under his skin, he goes off like a Roman candle. Chalk it up to an Irish temper or whatever. He does not suffer fools lightly. And I’ll bet he could care less than Yves blocked him from the site.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
January 10, 2011 8:00 pm

Found this over at NaturalNews.com and thought the Health Ranger Mike Adam’s poses a very logical question:

“Why are people so outraged when citizens commit acts of violence against a government official while relatively few people seem to care when the government commits acts of violence against the People?” (taken from below)

Monday, January 10, 2011 10:38

Mike Adams
Natural News

In the aftermath of the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson yesterday, the mainstream media is now desperately trying to blame the attack on “anti-government” sentiment. USA Today ran a tabloid journalism piece that selectively cherry-picked certain phrases used by Jared Lee Loughner in order to create the impression that he was some sort of anti-government nut. Loughner was actually a mentally deranged individual who ranted about everything from “grammar” to imaginary birds (www.naturalnews.com/030953_G…). His state of mind, as evidenced from his YouTube posts, seems incapable of holding any traditionally-recognized political philosophy.

The Associated Press, meanwhile, actually blamed the “political climate” for the shooting, saying, “The nation’s caustic political climate has become a suspect of sorts in the rampage that left six dead and a lawmaker critically injured in Arizona.” The implication from these kinds of stories is that if you criticize the government, you therefore promote violence.

That is, of course, a silly idea, especially considering the fact that the government nearly always uses the threat of violence against its own citizens to get what it wants. To use the example of Obamacare, the law itself says that if citizens don’t buy health insurance, the U.S. government will essentially extract a large sum of money from you by force through the use of IRS agents and, if necessary, the government seizure of your assets.

On the health care front, remember it was the U.S. government that committed medical violence against children by forcing teens with cancer to undergo chemotherapy against their will (www.naturalnews.com/019617.html). Various local governments also routinely threaten vegan parents with having their children taken away by Child Protective Services if they don’t start feeding their children processed factory foods such as hamburgers.

The FDA, for its part, routinely sends extremely threatening letters to natural product companies (cherry growers, walnut growers, green tea importers, etc.) that contain extremely threatening language that imply company executives will be “criminally prosecuted” by the FDA, or have their assets seized, or even have their businesses shut down if they don’t agree to admit to crimes they never even committed (selling “unapproved drugs” which are really just cherries). (www.naturalnews.com/019366.html)

No one is surprised when the government uses the threat of violence to get what it wants these days. Today, the government actually commits felony crimes against the American people on a daily basis! It’s called the “enhanced pat-down” by the TSA. If you did the exact same thing to another person at your office, you would be arrested as a “violent criminal” and charged with sexual assault.

The FDA, too, has a long history of armed raids against innocents (www.naturalnews.com/021791.html) who were merely trying to help others improve their health with the power of nutritional supplements. These raids are always conducted with the use of firearms.

The FDA even sent agents into Ecuador last year to illegally kidnap Greg Caton (www.naturalnews.com/027750_G…) and fly him out of the country, in complete violation of international law. This, too, was conducted with the use of multiple armed agents wielding firearms.

More recently, the U.S. government led an armed raid on a Venice, California food cooperative selling raw milk (www.naturalnews.com/030136_R…).

When the government commits acts of violence, it’s okay?

There are many other examples of similar acts of violence by the government committed against the People of America, but it all brings me to this important question: Why are people so outraged when citizens commit acts of violence against a government official while relatively few people seem to care when the government commits acts of violence against the People?

The outrage expressed in the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords is entirely justified, as violence is never the answer to disputes. Yet shouldn’t we all be similarly outraged when the government uses violence or the threat of violence to achieve its own political aims with the People

Mike Litoris
Mike Litoris
January 10, 2011 8:01 pm

I DON’T see an organized revolution on America’s horizon à la ‘V for Vendetta’ because Americans have become too ideologically incoherent, self-centered, soft & politically divided to pull-off something like that. You’d need to tie a pole to each Americans head with an iPod & a Big Mac dangling from a string in front of them just to get them to advance anywhere. No my friend, the American public will simply continue to react in the same fashion it always has, especially when Uncle Samuel starts waving the stars & stripes with calls for ‘patriotism’: they’ll bend over even lower and spread those morbidly obese American ass cheeks even WIDER. Goldman Sachs doesn’t even need to lube America up anymore. Ouch.

What I DO see on the other hand is a string of poor bastards like Jared Loughner going quietly meshuggah on an individual basis and (with perhaps the support of a few accomplices at times) suddenly pulling out weapons in order to blow-away politicians, judges, banksters and other random assorted douchebags as they get the chance.

To those lunatics who might be contemplating commiting such heinous crimes against public & political figures I have but TWO words: HAPPY HUNTING!

Smokey
Smokey
January 10, 2011 8:04 pm

So take the bitch’s link off this site.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
January 10, 2011 8:35 pm

@Mike Litoris: First of all, great screen name! The ever elusive clitoris! Ahh…South Park!

Anyways, unless a military coup transpires then I agree with you, that it will not be a coherent revolution. What we can expect to see is a loose association of “revolters” using social media, the postal service, and cb radio to stay in touch. These groups will not have a leader persay, similar to “sleeper cells” that other freedom fighters use.

Opinionated Bloviator
Opinionated Bloviator
January 10, 2011 8:44 pm

Smokey, I have to disagree with that call, the Naked Capitalism link is too valuable to scrub from this site. Regardless of the unhinged political views of Yves Smith, her coverage of the ongoing foreclosure fraud and the lawlessness of the TBTF banks is must read material, especially for those of us looking for the “trigger” event that will begin the second Wall Street meltdown. The realization by the “masses” that mortgage backed securities are in fact backed by nothing as the paperwork and title transfers are irreparably borked is one on my watch list.

Mike Litoris
Mike Litoris
January 10, 2011 9:25 pm

@Plato_Plubius: Thanks for catching my screen name! I’m trying to leave behind my days of posting under Ben Dover & Seymour Butt.

An internal military coup is unrealistic because the American military -unlike say Argentina’s, for example- has no prior experience in organizing & pulling one off. Plus it would inevitably lead to military in-fighting with those remaining forces still loyal to Halliburton ..er.. I meant our constitution.

And as all-powerful as the internet may appear to be, Facebook hasn’t toppled any national governments. Although I WILL be cautious here and add YET to that last sentence, just in case.
After all, my heroe Julian Assange is STILL out on bail.

“Remember. remember,
when you vote in November,
the Monsanto and Goldman Sachs plot,
I can see no good reason,
why our TWO PARTY treason,
should ever ..be ..forgot”

VIVA WIKILEAKS!
SUFFER BASTARDS!

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 9:28 pm

Man that Mike Litoris gravatar with all those pointy sharp edges could put a guys eye out

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 10, 2011 9:49 pm

Jim you should head over to Eschaton blog. Kinda fun to rattle their cage now and then.

Mike Litoris
Mike Litoris
January 10, 2011 10:28 pm

“Man that Mike Litoris gravatar with all those pointy sharp edges could put a guys eye out”

I like it because it seems to say, “Merry Christmas” while at the same time expressing my desire to poke people’s eyes out. Specially if they work at Goldman Sachs.

🙂

jeff
jeff
January 10, 2011 11:01 pm

Great article – you have guts….I have some thoughts about the situation but I’m afraid to post anywhere else. I will here and if I’m called a heretic so be it.

1. Why does no one in media call him a “terrorist”? If he was islam extremist and did what he di, he would be a terrorist (and I’m certain considered sane)? Jared did say it would be ad hominem (if you watch his video).

2. Of course I don’t condone his violence, I don’t think anyone can, but why do I still have some sympathy for this loon. Maybe I’m a bit naive in looking at his intentions….but I think he was trying to do something “noble” for America and yes he was totally misguided in the violent behavior. My view, I think he was trying to hold government to account for not governing by the constitution (and for supporting a corrupt fiat system). He repeats this several times in his video. I’m pretty sure he was expecting to be shot and become the martyr. And that this would be catalyst for america to stand up and reclaim their civil and constitutional right and reform the monetary policy.

3. I’m certain he didn’t have issue with just Gifford aside that she was illiterate (meaning she did not understand and follow the constitution). Put differently, if a Republican held that congress seat or if Jared was living in a different congressional district he would have taken the same action on any “illiterate” politician.

4.
If I was a new graduate, I’d feel like I have no future in america, feel completely alienated by the government (who are supporting the banker and their profits and could care less about me) and frankly feel betrayed by Obama who promised “change” and is doing more of the same.

I truly believe this situation will get worse (more shootings, mailbombs, protests)
– 1 in 5 people are underemployed
– 1 in 10 are unemployed
– a year of new graduates are entering a dead job market.
– and government can’t get past their bipartisan rhetoric and do what is the interest of its citizens

Unemployed people have too much time and either play video games, watch NFL or explore some interesting sites on the internet. And unemployed lunatics are probably scarier.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 10, 2011 11:33 pm

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
January 10, 2011 11:49 pm

Yves Smith “unhinged”? Good grief, she basically just writes legal analysis in her posting. I can see charaterizing JimQ as “unhinged” or KD or Kunstler, but Susan’s stuff is plain vanilla.

RE

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 11, 2011 12:05 am

Why does no one in media call him a “terrorist”? If he was islam extremist and did what he di, he would be a terrorist (and I’m certain considered sane)? Jared did say it would be ad hominem (if you watch his video

They found some letters and an envelope, I gather, in a safe at his parents house where he wrote “He planned ahead” “My assassination” “Gifford” and apparently signed it ‘Loughner”

I guess we will find out more later what was in that envelope during the trial phase and if the attempted assassination was meant to instill terror in the public or if he just had it in for Giffords for reasons yet unknown.

oladyinashu
oladyinashu
January 11, 2011 12:16 am

all I keep thinking is ‘mind control’,it just seems weird to me that this has become so frequent,I mean people just ‘loosing it ‘ .

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
January 11, 2011 1:01 am

all I keep thinking is ‘mind control’,it just seems weird to me that this has become so frequent,I mean people just ‘loosing it ‘ .-oladyinashu

Loughner went to one of Giffords congress on a corner gatherings sometime before august of 2007. Giffords office had sent him a thank you not on congressional letterhead for attending one in Foothills Mall in Tuscon. Perhaps he had been planning this for years.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 11, 2011 1:45 am

You wrote that whole article about V for Vendetta and you didn’t once speak of the massive rioting taking place in Tunisia and the group Anonymous who has been helping the citizens stand up to their corrupt government? I like you guys but, um, well, here,try this…
http://paper.li/Anonyphant/Anonymous-News-Network

why?
why?
January 11, 2011 2:25 am

it’s the jews stupid.

George Steele is in jail for writing just that.
Earnst Zundel, David Cole…

List is endless…

why?
why?
January 11, 2011 2:29 am

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

THE ROAD map for total jewish domination of the planet.

why?
why?
January 11, 2011 2:32 am

Culminating in the jews AntiChrist ruler.

Goldie
Goldie
January 11, 2011 5:53 am

Jojimbo, very good post…
I will forward it to my friends

this is the world as we did it.
to fuck others before others fuck you

KrypticClue
KrypticClue
January 11, 2011 8:56 am

Before you follow Hollywood, up the garden path, you should be aware that Guy Fawkes (aka Guido Fawkes, also spelt Faulkes) was a marrano Spanish (out of Portuguese) jewish convert to catholicism, via the jewish controlled Jesuit order.

It was a classic, false flag operation, by cryptojews (read 9/11). Lord Monteagle (read Goldberg – golden eagle, Mont=Berg) aka William Parker, of obvious jewish ancestry (his closest friends included Henry Garnet , a red jewellery item like Gold, Diamond & Silver, another Jesuit cryptojew), was forewarned to stay away on the planned day of bombing of the English Houses of Parliament, in exactly the same way in which many Isrealis/jews were advised to stay away from the WTC on 9/11, by the Isreali owned Odigo (Hebrew language) messaging service, just hours before the 9/11 attack took place.

Original Mossad Motto: “By way of deception, we shall make war.” (on gentiles)

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KC

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
January 11, 2011 9:47 am

Jeff said — “Of course I don’t condone his violence, I don’t think anyone can, but why do I still have some sympathy for this loon.”
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How can you have ANY sympathy for a guy who killed a 9 year old girl? Weird ….

HOWEVER, your comment made me think of a “what if” scenario.

What if Loughner shot ONLY Giffords? How would TBPers feel then? She does not believe in anything most of us do. And there are many calls here to hang banksters and pols.

Maybe some would condemn the violence … but would you be AS outraged if only Gifford were shot? Would you say the right thing but inwardly think, “Great. Only 534 more to go!” ?

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
January 11, 2011 11:13 am

@Anon

Thanks for that link. Very interesting story! Just added it to my favorites. I recently just heard about TOR from a friend. No wonder the governments of the world want to restrict access to the internet; necessity breeds ingenuity and it seems those once called nerds, now hackers, are fighting the battle against oppressive censorship with their expertise! Good stuff!

Smokey
Smokey
January 11, 2011 11:24 am

I’ve had dealings with the IRS long ago. They eat shit. That’s why you have some fucker fly a plane into their building. And I do not wish violence against any American. But if a terrorist attack was imminent, and someone held a gun to my head forcing me to prioritize the top five government facilities that were to be blown to smithereens, I’d put the IRS national headquarters at slots one, two, and three.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
January 11, 2011 1:19 pm

I am gratified to see my original response to this has received a new personal record for me of 52 Thumbs Up 🙂 Of course still a ways to go to match Stucky’s triple digit response a while back, but what makes this one really good is the 2 Stooges who tried to Napalm it have been completely BOMBED with Thumbs Down.

This goes to prove quite a few things, the most important one being that the vast majority of TBP Members prefer good literate analysis of the issues we discuss here to the kind of juvenile trash that comes off the keyboards of Smokey and LLPOH. It also shows that TBPers have the attention span necessary to read a post longer than a paragraph in length.

As I tried to inform LLPOH in another thread here, you gain nothing by pitching Napalm, and in the end if you continue to do it you look like a juvenile imbecile. Thanks to the literate readers of TBP, this principle has now been proven.

Thumbs Up to TBP!

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Thunderbird
Thunderbird
January 11, 2011 4:17 pm

StuckinNJ: Do you feel the same sympathy for all the little girls and children that have and are being killed by our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Have you ever wondered why we are at war with an ism rather than with the countries of Iraq, Afpghanistan, and Pakistan themselves? Ofcourse if we were not under mind control we would realize that we are at war with Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan and their people; and not an ism. An ism is fictional. Get real Stuck. This guy has more balls than you; he walks his talk. You only complain and nothing changes. I can’t get over how people do everything to avoid real dialogue; especially on subjects like this.

Mike Litoris
Mike Litoris
January 11, 2011 8:27 pm

“I think it is awful. I don’t want guns on the floor of the House,” said Slaughter.”

I’m surprised to hear that. What do Murder and Mayhem have to say about it?

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
January 11, 2011 8:53 pm

“Do you feel the same sympathy for all the little girls and children that have and are being killed by our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?” — Thunderbird

Evidently you have never seen the fireworks between Jim and I regarding dead Muslim babies. The answer is, yes, I do. So, what;s your point?

As far as me only complaining — you don’t know jack shit about me. I take action whenever I can in whatever form I can. Please try to stick to what you know, tough internet guy.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
January 11, 2011 9:01 pm

So Slaughter is worried about more Slaughter?

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Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
January 11, 2011 9:33 pm

“So Slaughter is worried about more Slaughter?”

No I hear she is terrified of Sgt. Slaughter though!

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
January 11, 2011 10:56 pm

Check this out….Mockingturd Shill Glen Beck is using the Tucson Killings as an excuse to continue demonizing 9-11 “truthers” as mental patients.

Beck-
“I think some of those people are nuts. I think some
of these people… (disingenuous, fake pause)…
are dangerous.”

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/glenn-beck-exploits-tuscon
(here is the link to the 1 minute video, if you scroll down on the link there is another 3 minute video where he uses the term “truther” when referencing the shooter.