Fox News and the rest of the elitist MSM are apoplectic about Trump’s continued support. They have chosen Bush and Clinton as the candidates we’re supposed to vote for. Bush was pathetic. Walker was pathetic. Paul was disappointing. Christie was a jackass. Trump despises the media talking heads and makes it clear when answering their ridiculous questions. I love watching the right wing and left wing media both try to bring down Trump, while the increasingly angry public gives him more support. We’ve been screwed by the two parties for decades. They are corrupt, captured and working for the same corporate interests. Trump is an egocentric, blustering, asshole who doesn’t give a crap what the elitists think about him. The more the elitists try to bring him down, the more support he will get from the average American. The elitists are reaping what they’ve sown.
Last night’s debate in Cleveland was the first of many chances for the GOP establishment to dethrone Donald Trump from the top position in polls, and Fox News moderators Megyn Kelly, Chris Wallace and Bret Baier came out swinging with some surprisingly difficult questions. Although most pundits think the debate was a “tie” between several candidates, an amalgamation of different user polls show Donald Trump is hard to bump.
We averaged three big online user polls as of 11:30am Eastern Time that account for over 600,000 votes including: The Drudge Report, Time.com, and Slate. There were small differences in the percentages on each poll, but one thing is clear: Trump is still on top for much of the electorate:
Trump has no “shame”. It also helps explain why Trump “could not say” if he would run as an independent if he did not get the nomination.
For now, that will appeal to GOP voters who want a strong, unfiltered, and determined leader. However, as Trump reaches a larger and more focused stage, the details of his campaign and platform will likely kibosh his original gut appeal even to most Republicans. He’s also far too divisive to win a general election.
So who else can declare the debate a victory?
Marco Rubio and Dr. Ben Carson both had double-digit support (10.9% and 10.3% respectively) as the winner of the debate. Meanwhile, Ted Cruz and John Kasich were right behind with 8.3% and 8.6% support.
Bea. Where are ya, bea. ‘Splain this to me
The Democrats, the MSM, and the Republican insider power structure all hate (and fear) Trump.
That’s enough for him to get my support.
I really want to see Christie and Bush announce they are out of the race. They are the career ‘good old boys’ that we don’t need. I vomit on them.
Sensetti, where art thou? I’d like to hear your take on recent events!
There is no argument that can’t be refuted with the bible, in this case the book of Sharpton 13:12 says, “All things may be forgiven men except using the word nigger in public or private conversation.”
Republican Assault on Trump May Only Make Him Stronger
Party insiders ganged up on Trump in the first GOP debate, but the tactic may backfire
By Matt Taibbi August 7, 2015
Last night’s debate was the funniest political program in our nation’s history. Nothing really comes close.
There have been moments, obviously. Bush ducking a shoe. Admiral Stockdale saying “Who am I? Why am I here?” Sarah Palin being interviewed while a man in the background beheaded turkeys was a classic.
But for comic staying power and sheer WTF factor last night’s debate went beyond 11. By my count there were over a dozen genuine laugh-out-loud moments. Mike Huckabee bringing pimps into a presidential debate for the first time ever was a landmark moment. Jeb Bush’s attempt at a one-liner, “They call me Veto Corrleone,” made millions of adults cringe at the same time. Then there was Megyn Kelly’s brain-busting toss to commercial near the end:
KELLY: We have to stand you by, because after the break, we’re going to let the candidates make their closing statements, their final thoughts, and… God.
Is it really possible we made it this far in the television era without reaching this point: We’ll be right back – with God!
God was really the only character missing from that debate last night. Almost everyone else was there, in the repartee if not in person: Rosie O’Donnell, LeBron James, Putin, St. Peter, St. Reagan, Siamese twins, pigs, dogs, slobs, a gay friend of John Kasich, etc. The list went on and on. It was a real parade of stars.
Of course the main character was Donald Trump, who dominated the time-of-possession game and spoke nearly 500 words more than the next closest competitor. In thinking about what actually happened last night, i.e. what was meaningful as opposed to merely lurid and entertaining, you have to start with the performance of Trump, who might just have lured the Republican Party into a trap from which it will not escape.
There was clearly an effort last night by Republican party interests to knock Trump off his frontrunner pedestal. We saw ambush tactics from the start.
Bret Baier started the whole thing off by asking the candidates to promise they wouldn’t run on a third-party ticket. Trump declined, highlighting his non-Republican-ness. Megyn Kelly followed up by asking Trump to defend his record of calling women “fat pigs” and “disgusting animals” and then made his probable inability to score female votes in a race against Hillary part of her question.
Later questions targeted Trump’s heretical views on abortion and health care, and his history of donating money to the likes of Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.
No other candidate got anything near this kind of treatment in the debate. A more typical question was Baier softballing Mike Huckabee, asking: “Is the government simply too big for any one person, even a Republican, to shrink?”
Then there was the postgame show. Fox had pollster Frank Luntz come on and speak with a “focus group” that expressed concern about the damage Trump will do to the party. One respondent said Trump was “splitting the party,” while another said, “If he runs third party, Republicans lose. Period.”
The uninspiring showing in the Luntz group contrasted with some other post-debate surveys, including one on the Drudge Report showing Trump as the clear winner of the debate.
That Fox and the other “contestants” onstage were ganging up on Trump was clear enough, but it hasn’t stopped there. Trump is now also seeing a wave of punditry pieces flowing in from traditional conservative outlets slamming his campaign. The National Review’s Jonah Goldberg wrote a long piece this month, “Trump fans, it’s time for an intervention.”
Stung by Trump’s criticism of him as a guy who “couldn’t buy a pair of pants,” Goldberg blasted Trump as a grifter and a RINO who is easier to believe as a “stalking horse for his dear friend Hillary” than as a Republican nominee.
Meanwhile, Rich Lowry at the Review called the debate a “fabulously awful” night for Trump. He slobbered over the rest of the field. He said Bush “made no mistakes, ” Christie was “forceful,” Carson was “winsome,” Kasich “more of a presence than I would have thought,” and Huckabee was “incapable of having a bad debate.”
Meanwhile, Fox contributor Charles Krauthammer gleefully declared the debate to be the “end of Trump,” saying that he looked “lost.” He’s been an ongoing critic of the Donald, along with other Republican stalwarts like George Will, who not long ago asked, “If Trump were a Democratic mole, how would his behavior be any different?”
It’s not a mystery why this is happening. Every indicator shows that if Trump gets the nomination, it will result in a monster wipeout at the hands of a Democrat like Hillary Clinton. Moreover the embarrassment of having to throw their weight behind a deranged narcissist might cripple the party for a generation.
Trump, they surely know, will make Barry Goldwater look like Lloyd Bentsen. The damage he could do with a full general election season behind the wheel of the Republican brand is almost too awesome to contemplate.
What the Goldbergs and the Wills and Krauthammers of the world probably don’t get is that by singling Trump out for abuse, they’re almost certainly boosting his campaign. First of all, while it might have looked like a damning image to see Trump alone onstage with his hand up and refusing to pledge not to run as an Independent, on another level it was a great Trump moment. As it has been all season, there was Trump, and everyone else. That scene just made the other nine guys onstage look like what they are, stooges beholden to their party and their donors, unable to think for themselves.
The main argument of all of Trump’s conservative critics seems to be, “He’s not a real Republican! He’ll destroy the party establishment!” The people making these criticisms seem to assume that conservative voters will see this as a bad thing.
But there are plenty of Tea Party-type voters out there who hate the Republican Party establishment almost as much as they hate the Democrats. There are also plenty of right-wing voters who think George Will and Charles Krauthammer are smug media weasels only slightly less disgusting than the Rachel Maddows and Keith Olbermanns of the world. A know-it-all is a know-it-all.
Trump’s followers are a gang of pissed-off nativists who are tired of being laughed at, belittled, dismissed, and told who to vote for. So it seems incredible that the Republican establishment thinks it’s going to get rid of Trump by laughing at, belittling and dismissing him, and telling his voters who they should be picking.
These hysterical critics are making one of the world’s most irredeemable bullies look persecuted and like a victim, a difficult feat. The desperation to get rid of him may just feed more and more into the right wing base’s crazy victim complex, and in turn get Trump even more support.
The numbers aren’t out yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the debate last night didn’t have exactly the opposite impact that Krauthammer and Frank Luntz and the rest of those clowns thinks it had.
Assuming this doesn’t all end in Trump becoming president and the world shortly thereafter ending in nuclear apocalypse, this twist might end up being the funniest thing to come out of the debate and the campaign in general.
The Republican party and its allies at Fox, on afternoon radio and in the blogosphere have spent many years now whipping audiences into zombie-style bloodlusts. When it suited them, party insiders told voters across middle America that foreigners were trying to crawl through their windows to take their wives, and that stuffed suits in Washington and in the media were conspiring to enslave their children in Marxist bondage.
Now all of that paranoia is backing up on them. They created this monster, and it’s coming for them now. Trumpenstein lives. He is loose in the town and on his way to the doctor’s castle. We may not be laughing two years from now, but for the time being, man, what a show.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republican-assault-on-trump-may-only-make-him-stronger-20150807#ixzz3iGrmoibB
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Star- I’ll splain it all to you election night when (cough, choke) Shitlery Clinton is elected as your new president. And may God have mercy on this country when that dark day arrives. Just remember you, yes YOU will be the one who put her there…………oh the shades of Ross Perot’s ghost.
“…plenty of Tea Party-type voters out there who hate the Republican Party establishment almost as much as they hate the Democrats.” Sounds like Matt is describing the TBP base, with few exceptions.
Can’t wait for tomorrow’s edition of the Sunday funnies.
I’m very pissed off at the way fox is blatantly going after Trump. I was in a heated debate with a Conservative colleague last night over this very issue. My point was, Trump is not going away quietly, if he turns and goes the way of a Third party he will drag enough conservatives with him the democratic candidate will win. Can you say President Biden? So the GOP better be careful and treat the Don in an equitable manner or they will lose the next election. I personally like Carly Fiorina, but if they keep fucking with Trump, I may jump on the Trump Train. Scandalous bullshit, i’ve been trying to tell you people for years this shits rigged.
Bea, glad to see your sense of humor intact. Hillary is going bye bye, don’t worry about her. Taibbi has written a nice piece, but the country is over the dimocrat party. The dinner bet I’ve been making my friends is not that donny chump wins, but that he wins 40 states
BTW
I looked and looked for post debate polls, finally found three, drudge, Slate, time magazine. So Fox polls everything, everything except, the largest debate in history by audience size. WTF,
The scary thing is they think people are that fucking stupid.
Yes Star, we all know you are the chairman of “Chumps for Chump” in your state….party on.
If you haven’t watched it, the frank luntz focus group is an amazingly greasy bit of amatuer theatre.
Sensetti, look at jim’s data. Chump choked the life out of walker and bush. They were #2 & #3 prior to the debate.
I know Trump is killing the field people are pissed. I have not read the article past the charts, trying to wrap up my day. I will read everything tonight
History doesn’t repeat but it stutters: Perot was the spoiler who handed Clinton the election. The Donald will hand Clinton the election this time. That giant sucking sound is Wall Street hoovering up $Trillions of McDollars.
Beat that comment, Maggie!
T4C says: Talk about turning the tables!
SSS did that when he called his down voters his ‘fan club’.
Greed is good, bad is good, hate is love in disguise…
Sensetti
Be honest. By the time Blackie Ben Carson got ter say anything you were passed out drunk with yer arm around a sheep with a reamed out bung hole. I mean give me uh break. Every licker sodden dipshit in the US (including yer RANK ANUS) is gonna get on the Trump Train. Please see the hateful Jew writer Kunstler fer uh description of a corn pone dictator and then look in the mirror and say ter yerself ‘what the hell am I doing reading uh book’, then drink some more very cheap bourbon, then good gawd I don’t want ter know what comes next.
Trump/Putin in 2016!
Putin might not favor the second place unless, well it would depend how the Repugs treat him, a euphemism for ‘open to bribery’.
A more possible T/P ticket: Trump-Perry. Has anybody else made that call here?
What is your dream Trump running partner projection?
Damn, this might be my first Question of the Day question!
Stuck you there? I want full credit.
The MSM is loosing its collective mind. They are running around screaming ” but he is an asshole, he says politically incorrect stuff, but but but but but aarghhhh!”
Hahahahaha! Fuck them.
Let’s be serious. No one has not said the same stuff Trump has said. Everyone says it: stupid fat bitch, dumb cunt, prick, asshole, her time of the month, grow some balls, don’t be such a pussy/faggot/homo, etc etc etc.
We all say it. Hell, my dear gentle wife occasional lets fly at some dumb fuck, and says something politically incorrect.
And the MSM wants us to crucify Trump because of something we all do.
To his ever-lasting credit, he is giving them the finger. “Yeah, I said it. So what?”
MSM: “But but but you cannot say that! Shriek!”
Trump: “Get fucked. Next question?”
Msm: “Shriek!”
Bwahahahaha!
I hope he fucking wins. Long past time someone says what he actually thinks, no matter how stupid it is.
Trump in wonderland: the Red Queen might shriek, Off with his head but the media is nothing but a deck of cards.
The media’s house of cards is in decline; people, as noted in the History Repeats article, will find a way to get what they want and they have resorted to TBP for real news and analysis.
The media has acted as the race baiter’s lap dog for so long that it forgot its responsibility to the rest of the country. Time to flush them down. Stuck missed a particular category while counting CNN ads: ratio of black to white news presented.
I’d take Putin, but he’s not eligible. Trump will do.
Iska, were you intending to dopple T4C?
What would be so bad about Biden?
It’s still early in the 2016 presidential campign.
Sure, Donald Trump’s done well and leads in the polls but there’s still half a year to the first Republican primaries, a year ’till the party’s convention, and a year and a few months until the 2016 presidential election.
Surprised by The Donald, the GOP and the establishment will quickly mobilize. The empire, with a broad spectrum of resources, will strike back.
Money and power will do in the ” asshole,” as Jeb Bush described Donald Trump.
My prediction: the GOP and the media will marginalize Don Trump as they did Ron Paul. The establishment will pressure his business interests until he gives up his candicacy; or something else will happen that gets Trump out of the race.
The Deep State, the Neo-Cons, the oligarchy, or the establishment – call them what you will – can’t afford to let an iconoclast, like Donald Trump, challenge their control.
Jackson,
I’m not so sure they’ll be able to marginalize him.
Everything they’ve done so far seems to have made him more attractive to the mainstream of Americans (at least those in the middle and those to the right of Sanders).
But if they do manage it, will they still have enough oomph left to go against the Democratic candidate? Or will they have simply exhausted their political capital doing it?
I’m leaning towards a Democrat win against any of the other Republican candidates if they waste their political energy destroying Trump.
Absolute True Fact: the more the whorefuks attack Trump, the more I like him.
The end, simple as that.
“…the right wing base’s crazy victim complex…”
Whenever I think of “crazy victim complex” the last thing that comes to mind is the right hand side of the political spectrum, but what do I know?
Trump is the only one that raised his hand and said I am not a RINO puppet boy.
MSM is giddy at the thought of Trump co-opting the GOP.
Trump is bait.
Ron Paul was a relief valve.
The fact that those moderators are all mere paid mouthpieces of Rupert Murdoch (who owns Fox, Dow Jones – Wall St. Journal, Barron’s Magazine, etc.) and they obviously had a scripted agenda to go after Donald Trump, first with the Baier with his baited ‘Party Goose-Stepping commitment regardless’ question, where Trump was the only one with the courage to stand up to such a pathetic tactic; followed by Megyn Kelly’s attempt at a personal smear, only to be further subjected to this direct confrontational line of questioning by Wallace concerning Mr. Trump’s adroitly handling of his corporate responsibilities in the face of adverse economic headwinds, and getting those Wall Street financiers who were gouging his corporate businesses at the time with junk bond usury interest rates of 14% to essentially go pound sand.
Whether such “debate” tactics were simply for the sake of Ratings, or otherwise actually a thinly veiled message being sent to Mr. Trump by Rupert Murdoch’s lapdogs that if Mr. Trump intended to succeed in obtaining the Republican Nomination bid he had better curry favor with Murdoch pronto, or that fact that Mr. Trump who has been quite vocal about the illegal aliens streaming across America’s southern borders and committing crimes herein of murder, rape, smuggling drugs, etc., while Rupert Murdoch has been lobbying with Billionare Michael Bloomberg as well as major leftist corporations such as Disney to get legal status for all illegal aliens in America, others can make up their own minds, as I am certain that most are aware of how the majority of Main Stream Media is controlled by only six corporations, which indeed have an agenda, and considerable sway in shaping the opinions and minds of at least the sheople voting constituents as well as future favorable votes from the politicians they can control.
Personally I believe Mr. Trump to his credit, handled himself quite well and demonstrated that he was about to be pushed around.
Cheers,
S. Rex
Edit: Sorry that should have read as:
‘Personally I believe Mr. Trump to his credit, handled himself quite well and demonstrated that he was NOT about to be pushed around.’
Cheers,
S. Rex