The Choice

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Libertarians face a tough choice this fall – chiefly because Libertarians have no desire to choose a “leader” for themselves or anyone else. The ideal choice would be to not have to choose at all. For us each to make choices for ourselves only – and leave everyone else alone.Hillary lead

Unfortunately, we’ll be forced to make a different choice. Note the italics.

We’ll be forced to choose.

Voting in a coercive/collectivist society – which is the type of society we live in – is a defensive act. Like putting up your hands when someone throws a punch at you. Sometimes, you have to do it. When you haven’t got any other choice.

Voting for Trump may fall into this category.

Obviously, he is not a Libertarian. But I think a case can be made that it’s important to vote for him. It may be the most important vote any of us will ever cast. For one reason only.

Trump opposes The Wars.

It is why he is hated by the establishments of both parties (which are functionally the same party). And that is a compelling reason to support the guy.

Libertarians, after all, oppose hurting people. They specifically oppose murdering them. Hillary is a known mass murderer. A supporter of – a chearleader for – the ruination of Iraq and the deaths of (at minimum) tens of thousands of people who never lifted a finger against “our freedoms” but were in the way of Bushian-Clintonian “regime change” games of global hegemony.

Trump wants to run the United States but I do not think he wants to rule the world. Hillary is champing at the bit to do so. Is literally bloodthirsty. See, for example, this video:

I have heard Trump make rude comments about women and Latinos. He has offended people. He has used eminent domain to have people forcibly removed from their property to make way for his various developments.

As as I know, he has never had anyone killed.

How many people have died because of Hillary?

How many more will die if she is elected?

If she is elected, it is a certainty many will die. If Trump is elected, it’s at least possible these deaths will be avoided.

This is a very compelling reason to “hold our noses” – and vote for Trump.Hillary 3

And for our own selfish reasons, too.

Less war means more freedom for us. Or at least, a slowing down of the eviscerations of our freedom.

Consider how freedom has been diminished ever since the federal Leviathan began its “fight for our freedoms” all around the globe. Have things become more – or less – free here in the “Homeland” as it’s styled nowadays?

That we now refer to America in exactly the same way that Germans once referred to their country when aggressive and perpetual war was official policy should answer that question for you. But if not, go to any airport. Or visit your local “law enforcement” department’s parking lot and have a look at the equipment there. Did your local PD possess armored battle wagons before the “fight for our freedoms” began? Did the PD themselves wear blue… or black, as today?

Hillary and her gang of thugs egged on – and probably organized – the death by sodomy of Muamar Gaddafi of Libya. They were gleeful about the way he was murdered. Not merely that he was murdered.

Think about that.ghaddafi

What sort of person revels in that?

Hillary.

And if she is excited about that being done to anyone, she is probably just fine with it being done to you.

Trump, meanwhile, is a guy who likes to fuck around. He likes glitz. He is a blowhard. But he is not a murderer. Much less a mass murderer.

He is interested in making money; probably has made much of it via crony capitalist “deals” of one kind or another. He may be a flim-flam man, to some extent.

But he is not a killer.

Ordering people’s deaths would likely give him pause. For Hillary, it is as nothing. They are statistics (as Stalin once put it). Remember, this is not assertion or opinion or conjecture but known fact. The woman has spent decades as a produce of DC’s snuff films and she loves the work.

We have an opportunity to possibly save thousands – perhaps millions – of people’s lives. And by doing so, we may very well save our own.

That makes me not just willing to “hold my nose” and vote for Trump.

But eager to do so.


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starfcker
starfcker
June 2, 2016 6:44 am

Every reason is a good reason. Nice work, eric

SpecOpsAlpha
SpecOpsAlpha
June 2, 2016 7:14 am

People like Hillary are the reason that God, my God, invented Hell.

“Hillary and her gang of thugs egged on – and probably organized – the death by sodomy of Muamar Gaddafi of Libya. They were gleeful about the way he was murdered. Not merely that he was murdered.

Think about that.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 2, 2016 8:21 am

There are some really critical events we are going to be facing no matter who wins and who looses, things ranging from financial crisis to racial unrest and social breakdowns.

We shouldn’t be making the choice based on trying to avoid these things -they are inevitable- we should be making our choice based on who we think will deal with them best and provide the most acceptable long term result.

Liberals and conservatives will have a greatly different about what constitutes that best long term result, and the process of getting there is not going to be a pretty thing to see no matter which side prevails.

Make America great again or make America Mexico -or Islamic- that’s the real choice we are facing. Choose according the outcome you want.

indigentandindignant
indigentandindignant
June 2, 2016 8:23 am

@specops

AMEN

John
John
June 2, 2016 8:31 am

It’s so funny there are people so stupid they believe who they vote for matters ROFLMAO

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 2, 2016 8:46 am

John,

Even more stupid that there are those that think it doesn’t.

You really think we’d be facing all the same problems of social, financial, moral, religious, migrant imports, etc, etc, etc if either McCain or Romney had been elected instead of Obama?

That Supreme court justices and their agenda’s, appointed by our elected officials, are of no consequence?

You ought to give that a bit of thought and remove yourself from the stupid, unless you are among that “ignorance is bliss” category of stupid.

Ed
Ed
June 2, 2016 9:18 am

“Voting in a coercive/collectivist society – which is the type of society we live in – is a defensive act. ”

That’s one way of seeing it. I prefer Clyde Wilson’s view of voting. He said it may not be evil, but it’s at best an act of cluelessness, like chewing gum; pointless.

“Voting for Trump may fall into this category.”

Meh….it could, I guess. It may also fall into the category of jacking off out of boredom or artificially induced angst.

“We have an opportunity to possibly save thousands – perhaps millions – of people’s lives. And by doing so, we may very well save our own.

That makes me not just willing to “hold my nose” and vote for Trump.

But eager to do so.”

I understand your reasoning, but there’s a flaw in it: Your reasoning presumes that the election process isn’t a fraudulent 3 Ring Big Top Circus. My reasoning is based on the probability that it is indeed, a total sham; a show for the citizenry to keep us entertained and dancing to the tune of the PTB.

You’re a longtime cyber-friend of mine, Eric. I won’t blame you for whatever you do in November. I just won’t be joining in with you on this.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 2, 2016 9:29 am

Ed,

If the election process is a fraud then why are all the world;s elite rulers so frightened of Trump?

Why didn’t the Republican elite get their way and knock Trump out of the running early in the process they way they wanted to?

You wouldn’t think they’d care at all who gets elected if who gets elected made no difference.

John Coster
John Coster
June 2, 2016 9:42 am

“Make America great again or make America Mexico -or Islamic- that’s the real choice we are facing. Choose according (to) the outcome you want.” Hmmmmmmmm. I think the choice is more likely between making America great…or at least civilized and living in Orwell’s Oceania, although in the latter case, the outcome could be destabilized by ecological collapse and the breakdown of over complex systems. But however we characterize our situation, a Hillary/Trump contest pits an unknown rogue candidate against a known war criminal. To the consternation of many of my friends, I am actually more scared of Hillary than the Donald. It is astonishing that Hillary has NOT BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF THE COMPETITION ALREADY by her emails. Such is the state of American “journalism” that most people have little grasp of her corrupt antics, much less her role in destroying whole nations and flooding Europe with refugees. Whatever you think of him, Sanders is hence the only candidate who in a politically functional society would be taken seriously. Hillary’s evil cackling over the death of Quadafi, (“We came, we saw, he died.”) was one of the most chilling moments in recent political history. One wonders how she compares herself to Julius Caesar whose words she paraphrased. If a year ago someone had told me I would have ever given a moment’s thought to voting for Donald Trump, I would have told them they were batshit crazy. It still feels like a confession torn from me with the greatest reluctance, but I have to confess, once or twice the thought has flickered across my mind. With the Donald in office, we at least wouldn’t have to worry about sending our chief executive to the Hague.

Walt
Walt
June 2, 2016 11:13 am

Anon / Ed – Who says they’re frightened?

[01.13] Warfare is the Way of deception.

[01.14] Therefore, if able, appear unable; if active, appear inactive; if near, appear far; if far, appear near.

Sun Tzu

Stucky
Stucky
June 2, 2016 11:23 am

EP’s article is further validation of my belief that the vast majority of people are single issue voters.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

And voting for a candidate whom you believe will end our perpetual wars is certainly one of the most noble of single issues.

I still like Donald because he pisses off a lot of people.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 2, 2016 12:00 pm

News Flash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Germany:

Mooslims are demanding this week that the German government let them turn the Univershitty of Berlin into a mosque.

Germans becoming dumber than a box of rocks.

bb
bb
June 2, 2016 12:17 pm

Shit , I really dislike libertarians. Always getting involved in elections they have no chance of winning. Your worldview is just another worthless pagan ideology dreamed up by men who think they have a free will. Libertarianism is like all forms of socialism. It will never work in the real world …. Now go away…

Ed
Ed
June 2, 2016 1:54 pm

Anonyhole, you’re falling for the bullshit presented in this year’s Big Show. To answer all your “why,how come” questions: who fuckin cares? Not me. I fail to give a shit. Does that make me a bad person? Log in with your actual TBP screen name. If you don’t have one, get one.

Ed
Ed
June 2, 2016 1:56 pm

So, bb….I take it you don’t want any libertarians voting for Trump. That’s smart. You’d hate for your idol to thank any of them if he gets selected, huh?

starfcker
starfcker
June 2, 2016 2:13 pm

Ed, nothing personal, but refuting valid points just because you’ve decided EVERYTHING is bullshit is an odd position. Some things just are what they are. I don’t know if Trump is gonna do what he says he’s gonna do. I suspect he will. But who knows? But rejecting everything and then presenting it as if you have some special insight? Not that well thought out of a position. I’m not the greatest fan of eric’s politics. But he has found a bright spot on which to make a good choice. I admire that.