Really Poor Design

By James the Wanderer

“Last week our stove died, in a tragic egg-boiling accident.” That kind of line perhaps deserves a little explanation.

I put ten eggs in a pan with some baking soda and water and turned it up to high. You boil them for twelve minutes and dunk them in ice water; after a while you take them out and put them back in the refrigerator. Not exactly rocket science, and easy to do. I was just starting to grill pork chops, so I asked my wife that when the timer went off could she finish up, which she agreed to do. I went out to the grill in the backyard.

My eldest came running out to advise me that “Mom needs you right now!” I went back in to find her mildly upset; she had been in the living room and saw sudden flashes of light, electrical-discharge variety. Upon investigation, she found the eggs had boiled over and shorted out the stove. I pulled the oven breaker and we began the cleanup.

This was the stove in question. I’m not trying to chastise the manufacturer so I won’t name them, but I hope someone points this article out to them.

(The camera date and time were not set). Notice the rectangular panel on the front between the dials. This is where the PCB that controls the oven and timer are. Here’s another, with the top propped open with a stick:

Now for some history. We bought this oven second hand from Habitat for Humanity store. They get all sorts of items from all sorts of folks: distributors with six extra cases of floor tile no one else would ever want, DIY flippers tearing out the old to put in new for a fast buck, everything from electrical parts and controls to plumbing bits to – kitchen appliances. As far as we could tell, this one had never been used. It was meant to be built into a kitchen island, but there was no reason it could not be a stand alone. We certainly got a good five years out of it before this happened. New ones can cost $500 or more (it was fairly upscale [read: more expensive than that retail] when we got it, but the scale has changed endpoints). We only paid $175 for something that lasted five years and should have lasted a dozen (at least). Why did it die?

That rectangular panel on the front is LOWER than the cooktop. The cooktop has a lip on it that SHOULD have caused the water to flow over the edge and onto the floor (a little bit did). Some water ran back under the lip before it dripped – right on top of the non-sealed, sheet-metal housing (un)protected PCB. It easily evaded the housing and ran inside, frying the controls and disturbing my wife’s equilibrium (she has this thing about electricity and water; poor woman, she’ll never be an electrician).

Now had this happened due to a flood like Texas is having, I’d have no complaint, things happen and floods are beyond ordinary stove design. But it didn’t, and boiling things is a part of cooking so water on top of the stove can be expected. The pan only holds about three quarts at max, so it wasn’t a lot of water to begin with and nowhere near that much escaped (I think between a pint and a quart did this). But did the manufacturer never cook anything on this design to test it? Did they never suspect water might fall upon the ceramic cooktop and have to drain? Why are the electronics LOWER than the cooktop, do kitchen islands demand that structure? And if so, why weren’t the electronics better protected?

This model is apparently obsolete now (I wonder why!) because we are unable to locate parts to replace the PCB anywhere, even online. For the moment, we are using alternate equipment to provide the needed functions: a pressure cooker, electric wok and toaster over (total investment about $50 at thrift shops). Here they are, along with the deceased range oven:

Again, I’m not naming names because there’s no reason to: the slightly-out-of-focus is because my camera was unsteadily held by an amateur photographer (me). But look at these three items: if water gets to the pressure cooker controls, it would be due to a total failure of the vessel holding it, which is part of the equipment (and EXTREMELY unlikely!) If water gets to the toaster oven controls, it would be a miracle since they are above the lowest part of the unit. If water got to the electric wok controls, it would be because you overfilled that unit (and would probably be ignored, they are fairly well sealed). Why didn’t this (originally expensive) stove have those design features found on fairly cheap appliances? Would you design a houseboat with the portholes below the water line?

What design flaws have you found in your everyday items? How would you fix them? How would you test your products to find flaws like this one before they reached your customers? Do you care enough to do so?

In an age of planned obsolescence, downsourcing and minimal design, we had better get it right if we want to stay in business. Poor design leads to poor sales, and unhappy non-repeat customers. “Get it right the first time” isn’t just for airplanes anymore.


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MuckAbout
MuckAbout
June 7, 2016 1:49 pm

Damn, I jumped up and checked the kitchen just to be safe! Mine has knobs and readout above the stove top.. Thank goodness.

Obviously sorry design to begin with, James. Just glad – since the power to an electric stove is highly “ampered” – that nothing burst into flame!

When we homesteaded in N. Idaho (a different life), we cooked on a wood stove. Had to think ahead to even get it hot! Glad all is cleaned up and well and do post more often! I love life-adventures as I learn from them even at my advanced position on the road of life..

My best to your inattentive wife too!

MA

Welshman
Welshman
June 7, 2016 2:03 pm

Why in the fuck would anybody buy an electric stove, let alone used, in the first place. When they need to be replaced in my rentals, I pay a plumber 400 extra to run NG, as electric stoves are a maintenance nightmare.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
June 7, 2016 2:09 pm

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My first car when I got married. Ex-wife loved it. Her Dad hated it. He called the Dodge Awe-na-me gotta fix it.. We eventually traded up to a Mercury Topaz. Yeah another fantastic example of 1980’s Detroit steel.

Administrator
Administrator
June 7, 2016 2:10 pm

Many years ago when our kids were young and Avalon was a stay at home mom, she decided to hard boil a few eggs one day. She put them on the stove and then went into the backyard with the kids. She started chatting with a neighbor across the fence and time got away from her. Until she heard our smoke alarm go off.

She ran back inside to find that the water had boiled away and the eggs had exploded with such force, there was egg all over the ceiling in the kitchen. The smell was horrific. Her first thought was how she was going to clean up the mess and get rid of the smell before I got home from work.

Fail #2. The smell didn’t subside for days. You can still see the spots on the ceiling where the egg was implanted. We ate a lot of takeout in those days, as Avalon’s cooking skills needed some work and the kids kept her frazzled.

John
John
June 7, 2016 2:17 pm

slow news day ?

bb
bb
June 7, 2016 2:47 pm

James , you just admitted this was your fault. You put to many eggs in a pot with to much water. The oven didn’t do anything wrong . Wasn’t your wife’s responsibility. You blew it.Now do repentance and give me 50 push ups. Afterwards go buy your wife a new stove.

Dutchman
Dutchman
June 7, 2016 3:02 pm

Look – it’s a cheap shit stove. They are made to cook Kraft mac and cheese or heat Cambbell soup – not real cooking.

Another tip: don’t use the self clean oven cycle – many times it will fry the circuit boards – that’s any make / model.

Gator
Gator
June 7, 2016 3:06 pm

I did the same thing as MA, went and checked, mine are above the stove as well, highest part of the unit. Pretty bad that I had to get up and walk into the kitchen to check. I use the thing almost as much as my wife.

Lesson learned, I guess. At least you only paid 175 for it. Your loss may be my gain, though. We are moving eventually and looking at places. I will now be checking for that everywhere we go, becasue of your post, so a sincere thanks from me. My wife has boil over a little bit a couple times, never been an issue. Im definitely going to keep this in mind.

Cricket
Cricket
June 7, 2016 3:11 pm

The 2 year old dishwasher that came with our house was not working the day we moved in. One service call and $200 later, the technician replaced a small resistor module mounted on a very flexible piece of plastic in the control panel next to the handle that locked and turned on the dishwasher…the module was not conformally coated to protect it from moisture from the nearby vent and the fact that it was mounted on a flexible piece of plastic rather than a proper circuit board pretty much assured it would get broken with only a minor amount of force on the door…What an overpriced piece of crap we thought! Glad we didn’t pay the brand new price for it!

A few years later we had family over for dinner. After people had gone home, we loaded up the first load of dishes in the dishwasher and started it while I stood next to it hand washing more delicate items in the sink. I heard a strange noise, and looked down to see sparks shooting out of the dishwasher vent. I think the fastest I’ve ever seen my spouse run was when he ran to the basement to turn off the breaker…we found out later that catching on fire was a known ‘feature’ of our supposedly top of line dishwasher.

It was fortunate we’d had company over that night though, as we’re in the habit of running the dishwasher overnight to take advantage of off-peak electricity use discounts…(see that – damn Liberal government coercing me to change behaviour and we almost burned down the house as a result 🙂 )

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
June 7, 2016 3:56 pm

James

Just going from memory seeing as it was almost thirty years ago. Let’s see.

A partial List

Timing belt
Head Gasket
Rack and Pinion.
Electrical
Gas Tank (rusted)
Did I mention Rust!
Brake lines
Wheel Bearings

I bought this car when it was 4 years old. Not a whole of miles on it. It was in boneyard after a doomed inspection when it was just 7 years old. There was no end to fixing it. It was the absolute worst car I have ever owned…

starfcker
starfcker
June 7, 2016 4:27 pm

Welsh, gas isn’t perfect either. When i had my first apartment, i had a gas stove for the first time. Turned it on to preheat. Ten minutes, nothing. Couple of phone calls, and the consensus was, light the pilot light. Got the trusty bic clic, leaned in, and BOOM. All i saw was blue light and i was flat on mt back in the living room. The smell of burnt hair lingered for days. Fuck gas. Never had it again.

Welshman
Welshman
June 7, 2016 4:33 pm

James,

Saturn was non-union, and during the bail-out of GM, that was part deal.

Bullock
Bullock
June 7, 2016 4:38 pm

I have the same exact stove. Best thing I like about it is it was given to us and it was fairly new at the time. I will let my cook know about that potential problem.

Welshman
Welshman
June 7, 2016 4:51 pm

Starfcker,

LOL, well you are suppose to smell NG as they add smell agent to it. I am 73 YO and I have not had a gas stove in in 45/50 years that had a pilot light. They all come with igniters and are quite safe.

Gator
Gator
June 7, 2016 5:10 pm

I got one for you guys. What the hell is wrong with having a gas cap to cover your full nozzle on a vehicle? My wife’s late model ford escape has this capless system, where it has a heavy spring and gasket in place so it doesn’t have a gas cap. I’ve never thought of having to remove that before filling to be any kind of major inconvienence. I don’t even think about doing it. Now, this thing throws codes on me all the fucking time saying ‘fuel system vacuum’ or some such nonsense because it doesn’t seal right. I can go but a new gas cap for my tahoe for a few dollars at any parts store if I need one(but I haven’t, and it’s 13 years old) but replacing this entire neck is a pain in the ass and can cost 4-500 dollars to do, AFTER you pay them to fill your system up with fake smoke to determine if that’s the leak. The cheap ‘solution’ I found on ford forums is to pull the nozzle out most of the way and spray a little bit of fuel into the top part to keep it libricated, which of course risks spraying the side of the car and yourself with gasoline, or push the piece in with a screw driver and spray the whole thing with WD40 every now and then.

Why the fuck would you bother with something like that? And it’s not an option to just have the old kind of system either.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
June 7, 2016 5:52 pm

Gator thanks for the heads up! Same on my Fusion although it hasn’t given me a problem yet.. You are right. I still don’t understand why Ford thought this was a good idea. I guess it is easier to fill up but a person needs to be real lazy to feel removing a cap is hard work.

Dan in Nevada
Dan in Nevada
June 7, 2016 6:39 pm

Just a tip that might save problems in the future: For absolutely perfect hard-boiled eggs, cover the eggs with cold water, then put them on high heat and bring them to a really hard boil. Cover tightly and turn the heat off. Somewhere between 10 and 15 minutes later, cool them down with cold water and you’re done. I’m at about 4900′, so I need to let them rest for about 15 minutes after turning the heat off, but closer to sea level they should get done faster. If you forget them, no worries. They’ll just be a little more done (the outside of the yoke will get greenish) but you won’t start a fire and no exploding eggs or fucked up stove.

Llpoh
Llpoh
June 7, 2016 6:43 pm

Ran out and looked at my stove.

Not a knob anywhere on it. Guess I am ok. Don’t know how the missus turns it on, though, but she likes it. Some kinda induction thingamabob.

Fabulous
Fabulous
June 7, 2016 6:50 pm

I have never had a problem with a Viking stove or Infiniti automobile. You get what you pay for. Looks to me as though the stove is not a design flaw. That is a feature. A feature designed to fail, just as that shifty little car probably has the same fatal flaw fail on every single one ever sold.

Unmarked
Unmarked
June 7, 2016 7:15 pm

Dan @ 6:39 pm.

Cook ’em, Dano.

That’s exactly how I do it. Easy peasy & they turn out great every time. The only difference is that I remove from the burner, cover and let cool 20 minutes instead of 15.

phoolish
phoolish
June 7, 2016 7:42 pm

I’ve got a stove exactly like that. It’s fine.

Ed
Ed
June 7, 2016 10:55 pm

This site, the appliance samurai has saved me lots of money over the years. I DIY whatever I can:

http://appliantology.org/forum/5-the-laundry-appliance-repair-forum/

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
June 7, 2016 11:55 pm

Starfucker said:
“Welsh, gas isn’t perfect either. When i had my first apartment, i had a gas stove for the first time. Turned it on to preheat. Ten minutes, nothing. Couple of phone calls, and the consensus was, light the pilot light. Got the trusty bic clic, leaned in, and BOOM. All i saw was blue light and i was flat on mt back in the living room. The smell of burnt hair lingered for days. Fuck gas. Never had it again.”

I honestly and sincerely sat here for three or four minutes after reading your comment trying not to laugh. Honest! Just when I thought I was over it I re-read your message and laughed my ass off.

Stick with electric. You still won’t know what to do when something goes wrong with it but it generally will not blow up.

Still LMAO! Too fucking funny!

starfcker
starfcker
June 8, 2016 3:43 am

Not my best IQ day, that’s for sure.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
June 8, 2016 4:01 am

Yeah, we all have days like that!

indigentandindignant
indigentandindignant
June 8, 2016 6:48 am

Lee iococca

Blame him. The disposable car was his idea, and emulated through all products. Look it up.

Rife
Rife
June 8, 2016 10:09 am

Mediocrity – it is all around us.

Rise Up
Rise Up
June 8, 2016 10:21 am

Just downloaded the photo of the oven and the only data when viewing the .jpg “properties” are resolution and pixel size.