How do brain dead liberals reconcile the fact that Muslims hate gays, treat women like dogs, and happen to be the perpetrators of a large percentage of the mass murders in this country? Does anyone with half a brain think banning guns from white people will stop Islamic terrorists from shooting the unbelievers?
Most gay people are liberals, vote Democrat, and dislike guns. What if one, two or three people in that club were armed with a gun? Maybe the casualty count would be much less. Meanwhile the MSM is still equivocating about whether it was Islamic terrorism. Answer: IT WAS!!!!
I can guarantee you Hillery, Obama and their liberal lackeys aren’t mourning the loss of 20 innocent lives to an Islamic terrorist. They are pissed off that this will be a negative in her campaign for president. They are working on the talking points and spin about how this doesn’t represent all Muslims or the Islamic religion of hate.
The left wingers are desperate for some white Tea Party dude to commit an act as heinous as the one committed in Orlando last night. It never happens. White people with guns aren’t the problem. It’s dark skinned people who kill in the name of religion or in the name of drugs in the urban kill zone ghettos run by anti-gun Democrats.
What really pisses off the left and their MSM mouthpieces is how this works right into the hands of Trump. His anti-illegal immigration and keeping Muslims out platform is absolutely 100% correct. And he just picked up millions of new supporters.
The continuation of Islamic terrorist attacks in this country, combined with an economy in recession, and a soon to be falling stock market is going to win the election for him in November.
by Tyler Durden – Jun 12, 2016 8:09 AM
Approximately 20 killed and 42 injured after a gunman opened fire and took hostages at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, police said early Sunday. Officials said a hostage situation developed after the gunman stormed the Pulse Nightclub about 2 a.m. “We are looking at probably in the range of 20 [dead], but we don’t want to give you an exact figure,” Orlando Police Chief John Mina said.
The gunman was shot dead about three hours later when a SWAT team entered the club NBC reports. “It’s appears he was organized and well-prepared,” the chief said, adding that the shooter had an assault-type weapon, a handgun and “some type of (other) device on him.”
The preliminary assessment: the incident “could definitely be classified as domestic terrorism,” Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said. Police have shot and killed the gunman, Mina told reporters.
Orlando police warned residents to stay away from the area, and urged people not to call their offices. They declined to provide the number of casualties, saying details will be available later. Bomb sniffing dogs are on the scene.
Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer added that “many lives were lost.”
According to Reuters, officers said in a Twitter message that there were “multiple injuries” at the Pulse nightclub and local media reported that between seven and 20 people had been shot. The dance club urged patrons to “get out” and “keep running” in a post on its Facebook page. Police have not confirmed if there were any other people killed or the specific number of injuries.
Orlando police warned residents to stay away from the area, and urged people not to call their offices. They declined to provide the number of casualties, saying details will be available later. Bomb sniffing dogs are on the scene.
It was the second deadly shooting at an Orlando night spot in as many nights. Late Friday a man thought to be a deranged fan fatally shot Christina Grimmie, a rising singing star and a former contestant on “The Voice”, while she was signing autographs after a concert in the Florida city.
Video posted online showed a large number of police and emergency vehicles outside the nightclub. Bomb sniffing dogs were also on the scene, CNN reported. Dozens of police vehicles, including a SWAT team, swarmed the area around the club after the gunfire broke out. At least two police pickup trucks were seen taking what appeared to be shooting victims to the Orlando Regional Medical Center, The Associated Press reported.
In a flashback to the November 13 attacks in Paris, revelers described scenes of horror from inside the club. One witness told MSNBC that they had to crawl over bodies to escape. A post to the club’s Facebook page at around 2 a.m. warned “everyone get out of Pulse and keep running.” Witness video from outside showed dozens of first responders at the scene, and several victims on the ground.
“It was tragic,” club-goer Christopher Hansen told MSNBC. “I wasn’t sure if it was the music, because … it went with the beat almost until you heard just too many shots.
“It was just like — bang, bang, bang, bang, bang bang — and that’s when you just know chaos is just, it was in turmoil,” he added.
Several patrons had posted on social media that a gunman was holed up inside and holding hostages. One man who said he was inside the club posted that the shooting broke out around 2 a.m. and that he heard about 40 shots being fired. Javer Antonetti, 53, told the Orlando Sentinel newspaper that he was near the back of the dance club when he heard the gunfire. “There were so many (shots), at least 40,” he said. “I saw two guys and it was constant, like ‘pow, pow, pow,’.
“Police said they had carried out a “controlled explosion” at the club hours after the shooting broke out, but did not say why that was done. They described the scene as a “fluid situation”.
Mina Justice was outside the club trying to contact her 30-year-old son Eddie, who texted her when the shooting happened and asked her to call police. He told her he ran into a bathroom with other club patrons to hide. He then texted her: “He’s coming.” “The next text said: ‘He has us, and he’s in here with us,'” she told the Associated Press. “That was the last conversation.”
Witness Anthony Torres posted to Facebook that he and his friends made it out of the club “just barely as we started to hear fire being shot.” “They are just pulling people out in stretchers loading them up,” he said, referring to first responders. “Omg please god let everyone make it.
“People are screaming that people are dead,” Torres wrote in another post. The shooting at the nightclub comes during a series of national celebrations that mark LGBT pride month.
“As soon as we have any information we will update everyone,” the club later posted to Facebook. “Please keep everyone in your prayers as we work through this tragic event. Thank you for your thoughts and love.”
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Authorities urged caution as police officers hovered nearby with weapons and dogs. A few miles away, the Orlando Regional Medical Center was placed on lockdown, the hospital said in a statement. Only essential workers are being allowed access into the building. Arnold Palmer Hospital and Winnie Palmer Hospital were also placed on lockdown out of an abundance of caution, officials said.
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The motive, or the identity of the shooter , are so far unknown. “At this time we’re looking at all angles right now,” an FBI official said. He was asked if the shooter might have possible connections with extremists.
“We do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings towards that particular ideology [extremism]. But right now we can’t say definitively so we’re still running everything around,” he added.
Religion of peace my ass.
An attack against a gay bar by someone that even the FBI is initially saying could be Islamic terror related (always a denial of this at first so this is significant) during the Obama raised Ramadan period and after Isis calls for these things to be done in the US.
So we will have more impassioned calls for gun restrictions for honest citizens accompanied by an outright attack on anyone suggesting we should restrict Islam.
After all, it’s the guns that are responsible. You can expect absolute denial that this is Islam in practice.
Expect more of this in the future as Islam is protected and you are disarmed to be defenseless against it, prepare yourself.
(Wonder why no one shot back, Florida allows CC and the people there are well armed enough that someone there should have had one)
Another speculative thought, watch how this is turned to Hillary’s advantage by blaming it on Trump and his call for restrictions on Muslim immigration till we can get control of it, he and his supporters hate speech caused it is what the MSM and Hillary are likely to be implying.
“(Wonder why no one shot back, Florida allows CC and the people there are well armed enough that someone there should have had one)”
Like many states, Florida doesn’t allow CC in bars. Also, not to stereotype, but gays aren’t reputed to be the most gun-focused groups around. (I’m aware of the “Pink Pistols.”)
UK newspaper is coming out and saying “yeah, it’s Islamic terrorism”:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637414/Everyone-running-Gunman-bursts-gay-nightclub-Florida-shoots-20-people-taking-hostages.html
I’m eagerly awaiting Obama’s announcement about this and look forward to hearing what he says as soon as he makes it.
Wanna bet it minimizes the Muslim angle -or denies it- and maximizes the guns and anti Islamic sentiment as the cause?
Wonder how many people will believe and go along with it, I’m (unfortunately) thinking the majority.
More of the liberal spewed “Diversity is our strength” BS hitting the headlines. It’s correct that the spin doctors are hard at work as we speak.
The seething undercurrent is more easily controlled by the bought off media.
UK newspaper is coming out and saying “yeah, it’s Islamic terrorism”
Yep, a UK newspaper is on top of the story.
I love in FL and have a CCW. You can carry it into establishments that serve alcohol, but not a place whose sole purpose is serving alcohol. I can go to chillis and carry my gun, but I can’t drink or even sit at the bar in the restaurant. The last few years, I have stopped going to places that won’t allow me to carry, especially places that also have large crowds.
These Leftists are insane, especially their supporters. As stated above, Muslims are the most intolerant people on the face of the planet. They will never become tolerant just beside they come to America. And they still will insist on importing more of them. Hopefully the gay community sees this for what it is and wakes up.
Up until today Trump was on the ropes with Romney, Ryan and the Republican establishment backstabbing plan with the La Raza Judge incident.
It’s time for Trump to void Republican endorsements such as Paul Ryan.
The Repulican establishment backstabbing plan to brand Trump a racist just took a major hit.
“Most gay people are liberals, vote Democrat, and dislike guns. What if one, two or three people in that club were armed with a gun?”
I think there should be an award, for the ability to write so many dumb things in one brief paragraph.
Shooter is a registered Democrat-http://flvoters.com/by_number/1144/84524_omar_mir_seddique_mateen.html
“Meanwhile the MSM is still equivocating about whether it was Islamic terrorism. Answer: IT WAS!!!!”
Well that’s interesting, I didn’t know the PWT here were clairvoyant.
Peter Wanker
Is this little incident getting your panties in a tangle? The brains of liberals are an amazing thing to witness.
OMAR MIR SEDDIQUE MATEEN is the name of the ISLAMIC terrorist. He is a registered Florida Democrat.
Keep commenting so everyone can witness your idiocy and flailing about like a brain dead douche.
5…4….3…. until the Tin Foil Responders show up; “False Flag!! Where’s da blood?? Where’s da bodies?? Those are all actors!! Some were even at Sandy Hook!!!”
5…4….3…. until the Religious Nutjob Responders show up; “They had it coming! God hates fags!! God is punishing ‘Murika for it’s sin!! Praise, Jeebus, hallelujah!”
5…4….3…. until Hillcunt & Gang 100% of the blame on Donald Trump.
5…4….3…. until Trump says something “really stupid”, and, as Admin said, gains another few million votes.
Looks like the death toll will greatly exceed 20. I wonder if this was a hate crime?
Peter Harris says:
“I think there should be an award, for the ability to write so many dumb things in one brief paragraph.”
Peter, you just won the prize.
What is a PWT? And how was the paragraph ignorant? Aren’t most gay people liberals who vote democrat and dislike guns? Point me to something that says otherwise. And instead of cowering on the floor and hoping the shooter doesn’t see you, wouldn’t you like to have the chance to defend yourself? Don’t get me wrong, I fully support your right to be an unarmed, defenseless sheep, but that’s not a choice you get to make for others.
What’s the obsession with whether or not it is a “hate crime”? Would they be any less dead if it was done out of love? Or anger? Or just crazytown?
Motives don’t interest me. The act is the issue. I’m far more concerned about a murderous rampage committed for no reason at all than a hateful old curmudgeon who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
It’s reported the attacker, Omar Saddiqui Mateen, is a citizen born of Afghan parents. (anyone recall the Boston bombers?).
Watch the “U.S. citizen” and the words “domestic terrorism” be emphasized to distract from the Afghan and Islamic angle of this.
How many people did we import from Afghanistan after the war started there, and how well were they checked for terrorist Islamic ties? (not necessarily his parents as possible extremists or terrorists, but those his parents associated with and introduced him to.)
hardscrabble: What indicates an obsession with it being a “hate crime”.
Prior to this question only one mention of that term other than yours.
As for me, I’m very interested in the motive, it almost certainly being Islamic, since motives are an indicator of potential future attacks by others with similar motive.
Looks like little Petey Wanker wrong again. Liberal douchebags never tire of being completely 100% wrong about every issue they think they know something about. Go put your shrimp on the barbie dumbass.
Orlando Shooting Suspect Identified As Omar Mateen, US Citizen Of Afghan Descent
by Tyler Durden – Jun 12, 2016 9:43 AM
The suspected gunman in today’s gruesome Orlando nightclub shooting which killed “approximately 20 people” has been identified by relatives and law enforcement officials as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old from Fort Pierce, Florida, CBS reports. According to social media, he is a US citizen, born in 1986, from Port Saint Lucie, FL. and both his parents are from Afghanistan.
CBS added that the FBI is currently checking if he was linked to extremists.
According to BBC, Mateen was not on any terrorism watch list, although as CBS also adds Islamic terrorism is being investigated as one of the possible motives behind the mass shooting.
CNN adds that the suspected Orlando gunman was trained in use of weapons.
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So he drove almost two hours, over 100 miles, to kill a bunch of people at 2am in a gay bar for Allah? Maybe, but it is more likely that he drove 100 miles to kill his boyfriend at the bar. Just sayin, that not everything is about the religion of piece. Sometimes it just about gettin boned up the ass.
Rob
Are you fucking brain dead too? Doesn’t this fit your agenda or narrative?
Dumb asses abound this morning on TBP.
@ underfire says:
I’m not sure if you can read, but I was quoting somebody else.
Nice attempt at some humour though.
50 Dead, 53 Wounded In Orlando Nightclub Mass Shooting – Worst Attack Since 9/11
by Tyler Durden – Jun 12, 2016 8:09 AM
Update 10:25 EDT: According to NBC the number of casualties in the nightclub shooting has risen to 50, with 53 hospitalized. The Orlando Mayor also notes that this is the deadliest mass shooting in U.S history, worst attack since 9/11. He also added that a state of emergency declared after night club shooting
@ Administrator says:
“Looks like little Petey Wanker wrong again.”
Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old from Fort Pierce, Florida, CBS reports. According to social media, he is a US citizen, born in 1986, from Port Saint Lucie, FL.
As I said before, you really should educate yourself on the meaning of wanker.
Peter Wanker must have an IQ of 75 to not understand the difference between RELIGIOUS beliefs and where you were born. Keep commenting Petey so we can see the warped mind of left wing looney in all its demented glory.
Are you still contending this was not an act of Islamic terrorism? Come on Petey. Please give us a glimpse into your warped ideology of liberalism. Please.
Admin,
Wonder what that “state of emergency” will consist of?
Increased scrutiny of Muslims, Mosque’s, and knows Islamic extremist suspects along with a call for greater presence of armed citizens to put down anything that happens without waiting in a killing field for police to arrive?
Probably not IMO, but I’m really not to informed about the politics currently practiced in Florida so maybe someone from there can chime in.
What good does a state of emergency after the fact when the attack is over do if it doesn’t address the cause and potential of a probable imminent one to follow it (if there is one)?
Worth the two minutes to watch it (before it disappears?).
Before the next sunrise we will read about the horrible backlash towards Muslims in the US. As after Fort Hood General George Casey was more concerned about diversity than the soldiers who were massacred by Major Hassan. The police performed magnificiantly and will soon disarm those who had nothing to do with the crime. They look fearsome in their SWAT gear. Gear that only will be used if there is a proTrump demonstration and the peaceful people resist being attacked by the Chicago and San Jose type left wing mobs. Then the police will join with the leftists to teach these insolent Americans a lesson they will never forget. Similar to the German police who gave no quarter to German Citizens protesting sexual assualt and Rape by the hapless immigrants and Muslim native born. Hiltlery will double down on gun control for the law abiding knowing that it can never be enforced in Ghettos so why try when there is so much low hanging fruit in law respecting areas. Obama never lets a crisis go to waste so expect Executive action as well as profound empathy from the Whitehouse. This can jack start the need for thousands more TSA screeners and other safe sinecures for dependable voters,
I’m going fishing. AND I’m taking a gun.
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/06/10/disarm-america-law-abiding-part/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-07/propaganda-bill-congress-could-give-america-its-very-own-ministry-truth
Hillary will be upset she lost 50 votes…
Hey Stucky… I am late to the coffee club, but wanted to share my initial concern after reading the article:
A couple hundred words in, my TBP STM inciting eye caught this comment stuck in the middle of NOWHERE.
[[[[[[[[[[“Police said they had carried out a “controlled explosion” at the club hours after the shooting broke out, but did not say why that was done. They described the scene as a “fluid situation”.]]]]]]]]]]]
So, conspiracy theory teammates? Strange comment or not.
@Administrator says:
“Are you still contending this was not an act of Islamic terrorism? Come on Petey. Please give us a glimpse into your warped ideology of liberalism. Please.”
Maybe my arguments are a little too subtle for your limbic system.
I’m suggesting you all wait, and see how the facts unfold.
After all, we know that the corporate media in America are beyond reproach, and are the bastion of accurate and fair reporting.
Good night dropkick.
Your arguments are nothing more than gibberish. Go crawl back into your hole. The next time you make an insightful comment on this site will be the first. I’m not counting on it. Your left wing ideology prevents you from seeing the truth. He’s probably a registered democrat Muslim Tea Party member. Right wanker? He killed 50 innocent people because they carded him at the door. I’m sure there is no connection to Islam. Right wanky?
Your liberal dementia is a horrible thing to witness.
This has nothing to do with Islamic Extremism – it is Butthole Violence (what I expect Obama to say).
Ah, just a hint of the aroma of juicy roasted wanker in the morning breeze….
Administrator says:
Peter Wanker
Is this little incident getting your panties in a tangle? The brains of liberals are an amazing thing to witness.
OMAR MIR SEDDIQUE MATEEN is the name of the ISLAMIC terrorist. He is a registered Florida Democrat.
Keep commenting so everyone can witness your idiocy and flailing about like a brain dead douche.
@Administrator says:
“Dumb asses abound this morning on TBP”
Oops!
Maggie,
Probably not strange.
He was reportedly wearing a suicide vest and there are reports of multiple other explosive devices that didn’t go off.
It would make sense to blow them in place after the event to avoid the potential of further casualties with the highly unstable explosives Muslims usually use (such as Acetone Peroxide that can go off spontaneously from what I hear about it in the news).
Maggie says:
“Ah, just a hint of the aroma of juicy roasted wanker in the morning breeze….”
Hahaha. . . Thats actually very funny, I laughed out loud.
Anyway, for the 2nd time, good night.
Shooter’s name is OMAR Mateen.
Pter.
“I’m suggesting you all wait, and see how the facts unfold.”
The facts have unfolded enough, there is no need to wait any longer, read the news, Police and FBI statements and such.
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As long as he doesn’t open his mouth about it, this will help Trump. Hitlery will wait until he does, and then try to regain her ground with a plea not to bring politics into such a tragedy.
But in the US everything is politi…..ooops……mone….shit….., “exercising our freedoms to buy everything the world produces at dicount prices”.
Unfortunately, what was once a fine country is well on the way to becoming an entrenched police state. My Dad was a US Army WW2 vet…(Normandy landings day 2). He moved his family out of the US when I was 12. I remember having a beer with him out on our back deck when I was 18 and we were talking about politics. He said then, that the US was on its way to becoming a police state, and that it wasn’t what he fought for. He hoped he would not live to see it happen. He didn’t.
It is a gadawful mess. I don’t know what can be done to fix it? The Wall won’t fix it, and banning muslims won’t either. More overseas war won’t fix it nor will any more Bilderberg conferences, or Davos meetings, or NATO meddling, or retarded Presidents. Is it possible to build a time machine for a do-over?
The cities might just possibly go up in flames before not too much longer. How can they not with these dumbass conventions looming? For my Dad to move it took a few things, (because he loved his country and all his family stayed in Minnesota farming and working for a living. Even friends disowned us because we dared to leave the US). We lived in a small town east of San Francisco. Robert Kennedy had been shot and Black Panthers were the apparent spokesmen for the Hunters Point Riots. They said on Cronkite one night they were no longer going to burn their own communities. Instead, they were coming out to burn down the White (Honky) neighbourhoods. My folks stayed up all night talking about it and then started the immigration process to Canada the next week. We bought some land on Vancouver Island. In August ’68 we moved. We have prospered.
At the very least I would be making concrete plans and arrangements to get out of the major cities. Find another job at lower pay and pull the pin. It is cheaper to live away from cities, anyway. I would also take firarms training, if you haven’t already done so. (I’m not talking about gun talk and rights bullshit, but solid shooting development….and yes, ammo is expensive). We grew up with guns so it is second nature to me, although my siblings don’t use them, ever. Some of you will have handguns in your bedroom in case of intruders.. I have three guns in my bedroom, a room that faces some woods. The bullets are kept hidden and the guns are moved if we have visitors or kids staying over. The .30 .30 is in case a cougar tries to break into my chicken pen during the day. They have and I have shot one. The .22 is for mink or racoons that also like chicken dinners…and if they stray into the live trap. The .410 is for either mink or racoons that try to run away or climb a tree….or to scare away bears and elk (by firing in the air). Yesterday I shot a mink with my .410. It was on the riverbank.
We keep our doors unlocked. There are virtually no break-ins here and no need for self-protection. Radical Muslims? My wife’s hairdresser is Muslim. She was born in Edmonton. She is about as nice as anyone can be. Good family. Religion should be like sexual preferences. Keep it to yourself and keep it at home.
Good luck as this unfolds. I think this is just the beginning. I know many of you do not agree with my posts and what I have to say. But over the years I have gotten to know many of you by your words. If I were in your shoes, (in America), I wouldn’t know what the hell to do? I would be angry and I would also hate the FSA and the Feds. We do up here as well. But we just have a few FSA families around and never see them to be honest. I don’t know what it would be like if whole neighbourhoods were on the dole and mad about it while expecting more. It would be terrible.
Best of luck as this unfolds.
regards
“Your liberal dementia is a horrible thing to witness.”
Actually, I am laughing my ass off at Petie who is so stupid trying to sound like he understands the real world..
Above pic which did not post is Omar Mateen
Pic here — http://www.trunews.com/orlando-gay-club-shootout-labeled-domestic-terror/
He seems to be such a nice looking lad.
Admin wrote: “Most gay people are liberals, vote Democrat, and dislike guns.”
Absolutely correct!
A huge percentage of my friends are in fact gay, and at least 90% of them are liberal Democrats who detest guns.
I wonder if any of them will retract their Facebook posts last year supporting Obama’s decision to admit Muslim refugees to the US.
I doubt it. They won’t wake up until they are kneeling before their Muslim executioner, waiting to have their heads chopped off. By then it is going to be too late.
Though I’m still a registered Democrat, that is probably going to change soon. I already decided some time ago that I would vote for Trump, if only because Trump could not possibly be worse than the Hildebeest bitch.
Voting for Hitlery Clinton is pretty much the equivalent of committing national suicide.
Paulo,
Trump just needs to let Hillary (and Obama et al) say something first.
Prior to that, he should just make a sincere statement of grief about the attack, nothing but sympathy for the dead and their friends and families and let Hillary politicized it first (which she absolutely will be doing if Trump doesn’t).
He was just misunderstood. He was a good boy.
I wonder how many of the 50 killed were accidentally shot by the police?
Paulo….I don’t know what year it was when you were 18, but I noticed the beginning of a police state with Ruby Ridge and was convinced after Waco.
“My wife’s hairdresser is Muslim. She is about as nice as anyone can be. Good family. ”
That is irrelevant and until you understand why, your thinking is very flawed. When the evil ones get control, your wonderful hairdresser will watch while your head is sawed off.
Stucky, From the link,
“Mateen’s parents were born in Afghanistan, and he was “on the radar” of U.S. officials for some time, but was not the target of a specific investigation, law enforcement officials told ABC News.”
Is it just me or are most of these attacks being done by someone “on the radar” and some watchlist of officials who did nothing to keep them from their attack?
Maybe I’m just getting jaded in my old age or something.
The only time the FBI catches a terrorist is when they create the plot and lure some nitwit into the plot.
An interesting article, sort of related if not specifically to this incident, from 3 days ago:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/homeland-security-chair-we-are-highest-threat-environment-i-have-seen
Turns out he was right so far, wonder what else is to follow?
@ VegasBob
My little sis is gay. She works in the oil and gas industry and travels a lot. We had a “Come to Jesus” discussion about this shit a year or two ago. She is getting a license to own a gun finally. She has finally realized that the world, while it is an amazing place, is also not all roses and lollypops. I’ve told her to keep a low profile, stay away from big crowds of people celebrating their gayness and to just generally be careful. The world ain’t changing for the better and we love her. My family would be devastated if something were to happen to her or her other half.
@Admin: ZERO – so far.. The swat team got there after TSHTF. They had a short gun battle with the Islamic Perp and killed him.
They still – as of now – (11:33EST) not cleared all the bodies from the LBGT club. The media is dropping hints about “gays” with an occasional comments by individual reporters but have not come right out and said it.
After autopsies on the victims, they may find an occasional police bullet but those are likely strays during the stand-off. Perhaps one of the hostages the maniac took bought the farm during the standoff but that has yet to be determined.. More news trickling out but don’t jump to TBP conclusions…
MA