28 pages: Where are the Trufers?

9-11 Truthers said the 28 pages would PROVE lots of shit!

Government not releasing it PROVES a conspiracy!!

Well, this is fucking amazing.  Here are the 28 pages;

http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/declasspart4.pdf

I haven’t read it yet. But, I will.  In addition to finding damning evidence that the gooberment did it, I am hoping for some new revelation on magic thermite, a primer on FREE FALL SPEED!! and, of course, explanations about Building 7 … which was totally undamaged, except for a couple pictures that fell in the 13th floor law office of Dewy, Fuchem, & Howe.

I would EXPECT you 9-11 Truthers to also read these 28 pages.  And report your findings.  Seriously.  You’ve murdered thousands of my brain cells as I tried to comprehend your twisted logic.  Now that after 15 years you have the secret 28 pages — shouldn’t you report on it?

Prove me wrong!!

 

Author: Stucky

I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

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Bea Lever
Bea Lever
July 18, 2016 7:54 pm

I’m not reading 28 pages of redacted twaddle. You can report after you read it.

If you cant’t watch a 47 story building fall in it’s own footprint in 2.4 seconds and get that something is afoot, I can’t help you.

Littlefield
Littlefield
  Stucky
July 18, 2016 9:50 pm

Idiot. What would you possibly expect a government might disclose that would implicate itself. You would expect it disclosed evidence of Saudi involvement. Which it does.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 8:44 am

Stucky, I consider you to be an admirable STM here, usually avoiding the hyperbole that lurks around certain characters in the TBP story. Nevertheless (LOVE the word… it means “ignore what I just said it is irrelevant”), I must point out that you seem to be tossing barbed shitballs out at those who disagree with you on this topic.

I’m NO Jiminy Cricket, but isn’t it time to admit the Truth?

anonymous
anonymous
  Bea Lever
July 19, 2016 4:23 pm

Stucky’s comments make me reflect on some wonderful quotes which are frequently posted on TBP from the late great George Carlin.

I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

Bea Lever represents the former quote while Stucky definitely represents the people described in the latter.

Bea Lever please post your new information which you have gathered on this topic. I think many readers would like to see the “facts” themselves.. even if those “facts” are outside of approved government reporting. It is pretty obvious the the government would never falsify the reports it generates like the BLS reports.. and people like Stucky will love to read more of the government’s “HIStory” and impeccable reporting and analysis.

card802
card802
July 18, 2016 7:56 pm

How do we know if the 28 missing pages the government released, are “the” 28 missing pages?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  card802
July 19, 2016 8:31 am

How do you know the world around you is not a fiction invented by your mind to explain the difference between reality and what you are able to perceive about it?

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
July 18, 2016 8:01 pm

Perhaps the paragon of trufferness Westcoaster has read said documents and will enlighten the TBP community.

Truther the moment second tower fell
Truther the moment second tower fell
July 18, 2016 8:22 pm

Well, let’s see. There is:

Fire Fighters For 911 Truth And Unity

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

9/11 Myths Exposed By Firefighters, Architects & Engineers

Experts in Structural Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, and History give researched and professional testimony

But they are all stoo-pid and crack-pots.

kokoda
kokoda
July 18, 2016 8:27 pm

In the time I’ve been hanging around TBP (1 to 1-1/2 years), I don’t recall anything on the 28 pages being hi-lighted as the magic bullet to prove any conspiracy. And, I’ve been partial to quite a few of the posts that suffered many 9-11 comments.

I don’t care about the 28 pages – it is apart from the actual physical and visual data/evidence.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
July 18, 2016 9:16 pm

Free fall speed.

ASIG
ASIG
July 18, 2016 9:22 pm

The title TRUTHERs is just as misleading as Patriot Act or Affordable Care Act. There is nothing patriotic about the Patriot Act and nothing Affordable when it comes to the Affordable Care Act and the last thing in the world the TRUTHERS are interested in is the truth.

If anyone were really interested in the truth they would have reacted very different when I totally destroyed the holy grail of the truther theory that thermite was used on the two towers. Anyone interested in the truth would have been interested in learning more about my explanation. But instead they ignored my proof and shifted to their old standby of listing an avalanche of links that would take a lifetime to view.

Like you said Stucky, it’s not worth the effort.

Littlefield
Littlefield
  ASIG
July 18, 2016 9:53 pm

I am newer and never saw. Please repost.

ASIG
ASIG
  Littlefield
July 19, 2016 1:19 am

Here is some of what I posted in that other 9/11 thread – FWIW.
But I truly don’t give a shit what you truthers believe, I don’t have any interest in wasting any more time on this, believe whatever nonsense turns you on.
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This argument about molten metals found after the fire means Thermite had to be involved?

The point everyone makes is that jet fuel and office furniture fires cannot produce temperatures hot enough to melt steel. Well that’s true. They state the max temperature for a jet fuel/office furniture fire and compare it to the melt temperature of steel and it proves jet fuel fire isn’t hot enough to melt steel and it all sounds very scientific.

But then they make this quantum leap of bull shit logic and pronounce their conclusion that Thermite is the ONLY OTHER POSSIBLE THING ON EARTH that could melt steel and that’s their proof that Thermite HAD TO BE involved, anyone that considers that a logical scientific conclusion is an idiot. That’s as logical as hearing the sounds of hooves in Texas and declaring it must be giraffes.

I had a residential building that I own burn in 1983. No other fuel in the fire other than wood. A wood fire does not produce temperatures high enough to melt any metals other than solder. I found molten metals after the fire (not solder). Ok so would it be logical to assume Thermite was involved? George Bush and Cheney had to be somehow involved in burning my building, right? Well 1983 was before 9/11 so I didn’t consider the possibility that Dick Cheney might have burned my building.

No I didn’t consider any conspiracy theories; I had to consider logical, legitimate scientific possibilities. And yes I discovered the answer.

So think about that, in order to melt metals it takes some form of energy that is capable of producing temperatures in excess of the melt temperature of those various metals. Well guess what, there is a form of energy that exists in EVERY building in America that can produce temperatures hotter than the surface of the sun? Four times hotter than the surface of the sun in fact.

What form of energy? Electricity.

“Next to the laser, the electric arc between metals is the hottest thing on earth, or about four times as hot as the sun’s surface.”

Electrical arcs produce some of the highest temperatures known to occur on earth, up to 35,000°F (19,426°C). This is 4 times the temperature of the surface of the sun which is about 9000°F (4982°C).

The melt temperature of —Steel, Carbon 1425 – 1540 (C) 2600 – 2800 (F)

So let’s be absolutely clear. An electric arc can produce temperatures more than 10 TIMES !!!!! the melt temperature of Steel.

http://www.ctdol.state.ct.us/osha/Breakfast/Archives/02-18-14/Handouts/Distributed0218/ElectricalContractors/Arc%20Flash%20Fast%20Facts.pdf

So what are the odds that there was thermite in those 9/11 building and ALSO my building that burned and WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THERE WAS ELECTRICITY in those buildings? Is it at all possible that there was electricity in the Twin Towers, well HELL YES!!

And yet “Truthers” rush to the conclusion that only thermite could do it. Idiots!

So here’s what happened in my building and what happened at 9/11. The fires burn for some time, the fires burn off the insulation on the wires, the wires move/ fall onto some metal and creates an arc, that produces extreme high temperatures high enough to easily melt any metal.

The justification that Truthers give that Thermite had to be used is because they falsely claim nothing else could produce temperatures high enough to melt Steel. Well now you know that’s BULL SHIT!!

You don’t need thermite. Electric Arc’s produce temperatures more than 7 times HOTTER than thermite and OH YEAH did I mentioned we know for sure there was electricity in the Twin Towers— well DUH!!

Slayer of Sacred Cows
Slayer of Sacred Cows
  ASIG
July 19, 2016 9:35 am

You conveniently left out the fact that thermite particles were found all over the place.

Greg in NC
Greg in NC
  ASIG
July 19, 2016 10:15 am

So you really think an electric arc existed long enough to melt all the columns and girders? And what voltage do you think was present on all the floors to do such damage? I have worked in facility engineering and maintenance for over 25 years(manufacturing and pharma, up to 800,000sqft) and have seen many electrical mishaps, but never once did I witness melted conduit.

Did you consider that not only is the wiring run in conduit but also has circuit breakers and fuses. It is fused from the main feed to the transformers. The transformer output is fused to the distribution buckets. The output of the buckets have breakers. The breaker panels have a main breaker on the input and all outputs have breakers. How could all of these safety devices fail.

I do not know what the voltage of the main feeds to the twin towers were, I have worked up to 4160 volt feeds, but I could imagine 10,000 volts(multiple feeds) to the main transformers. The utilities systems such as chillers, boilers, air compressors, water system pumps, fire suppression pumps, uninterruptible power systems, HVAC, elevators and more typically run on 3phase 480 volts. Lighting is typically 277 volts, everything else is 220v and 110v. The distribution also includes emergency power that feeds some lighting, fire suppression, and some HVAC.

So how on earth could this power distribution system with all the safety devices melt all the core columns and girders from top to bottom as well as the perimeter steel? How did this electric arc pulverize steel reinforced concrete? Buildings get hit by lightning at over a million volts and seem to endure. So two steel framed skyscrapers free fall to earth for the first time in history and the explanation is electrical arc. I think something is missing in the equation.

ASIG
ASIG
  Greg in NC
July 19, 2016 2:01 pm

This is exactly why the so called architect and engineers have come to the wrong conclusions even with all their testing. You/they think in static terms and ignore the fact that this event was a highly dynamic event.

You mention all the circuit breaker and fuses that are designed to cut off any circuit with an arc fault/short you also mentioned you didn’t know what voltages were involved.

To begin with circuit breakers/fuses deal with current not voltage, their function is to open the circuit when the current reaches a preset threshold and what is important to know is that if that threshold is not exceeded the Breaker/fuse will not activate and current will continue to flow.

I mentioned my building that burned and that I found wires that had shorted and melted, well guess what when I checked the fuses they had not blown, they were still intact despite the obvious direct short.

So what condition would allow a direct short in a circuit and yet the breaker/fuse fails to activate? The answer is the current didn’t exceed the rating of the breaker/fuse. What would create that condition?

If you know anything about electricity you know resistance limits current, and what increases resistance in a conductor? HEAT, THE FIRE, if you heat up a wire sufficiently and then have a direct short and create an arc at the point of contact, in that set of conditions the breaker/fuse will not function (will not shut off the circuit) and the current continues to flow.

What is required is an understanding of the sequence of events, the dynamic conditions that caused this to happen. So the fire didn’t directly cause to building to collapse but it was a critical part of a whole series of conditions that ultimately caused the collapse.

Yes I could answer all you question, but answer this question, why should I? It’s a lot of work and no one is paying me for my time and I seriously don’t give a shit what you people believe.

Greg in NC
Greg in NC
  ASIG
July 19, 2016 2:38 pm

You make no sense whatsoever. What exactly causes the voltage to spike to a point that it arcs and melts steel columns and is somehow sustained long enough to not cause the current to rise sufficiently to blow a fuse or breaker?

Your building obviously burned down because you wired it.

ASIG
ASIG
  Greg in NC
July 19, 2016 2:52 pm

Two things are clear, you know very little or nothing about electricity and or you can’t/don’t read for comprehension.

Maggie
Maggie
  ASIG
July 19, 2016 11:54 am

I was a radar tech on E-3’s (AWACS) and flew on a mission where an arc occurred when the three phase high voltage line(s) from the Aircraft Engines dropped a phase, causing the load on the other two lines to melt the insulation and fuse together, causing an arc that shut down power on most internal systems on the plane. It was quite a show of power.

Good thing I knew what to do.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
July 19, 2016 11:55 am

Ahem… remove power at the source. Pop the emergency breakers.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
July 18, 2016 9:35 pm

Well, that was certainly timely, who was in charge of this particular release, Rip Van Winkle?

Nothing is more reassuring than knowing our government is just completely and utterly incompetent at every level, in every department, in all policies and across the entire intelligence, military, law enforcement and judicial spectrum as proven by the events of 9/11. NORAD, the Pentagon,Immigration and Naturalization, FBI, CIA, NSA, The State Department, Border Control, FAA, have I left anyone out? If only they hadn’t all been involved in that exercise, you know, the one where a bunch of hijacked civilian aircraft were flying up and down the eastern seaboard and they had to insert false radar blips that got confused with the actual hijacked civilian aircraft that were flying up and down the eastern seaboard causing the real blips? If only it had happened on another day when they had their shit together. I mean, what are the odds, right?

That was their entire explanation-

In the words of Otter from Animal House, “You fucked up. You trusted us.”

And all for the paltry sum of trillions of dollars in defense spending, the loss of our freedoms, increased surveillance, routine searches every time someone needs to fly to Dayton for Grand-pop’s funeral, 3,000 plus lives that day, another 5,000 since, the elimination of our borders, daily morality lessons about what rotten shits we are for even complaining not to mention promotions and expanded budgets for every Tom, Dick and Mohamed employed by Uncle Sugar in the aftermath of their catastrophic failure to do the one thing they are supposed to do- yeah, you’d have to be out of your mind to think that all those advantages and rewards were the result of any kind of hanky-panky on the part of the same people who are still running the show. What are you, paranoid?

Well, I know I am going to sleep better tonight that these 28 pages (redacted) have been released letting us in on what really went down, lo those fifteen years ago.

Maggie
Maggie
  hardscrabble farmer
July 19, 2016 12:10 pm

Kind of like McNamara putting a personal note on the Vietnam Wall saying “Oops, I finally saw the real report of the attack.”

Whatever.

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
July 18, 2016 9:45 pm

It would take a few pages just to list the lies, one per line, that the USGov has told us already –
BLS statistics
ObamaDontCare info
BLM talking points
Syrian refugee bullshit
Immigration fraud lies in general
Federal Reserve misspeakings
– and so on, so tell me: Why would you believe ONE WORD on those 28 pages? Even ONE?

Littlefield
Littlefield
July 18, 2016 9:57 pm

If you start your argument with an insult, like “trufer”, you discredit your argument by demonstrating your ignorance. Where is your argument and proof for that matter?

aliasooze
aliasooze
  Stucky
July 23, 2016 7:47 pm

See: CIA Document #1035-960 RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report
It’s available online and isn’t 28 pages long. It not only details the concerns of TPTB with the people not believing Oswald acted alone, but it covers ways to counter questions and arguments. Such as:
3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active [business] addresses are requested:
a. To discuss the publicity problem with [?] and friendly ELITE contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the CONSPIRACY talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.
b. To employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose…

That was in 1967, and now you are using the same CIA tactics. You are name calling and labeling people as crazy trufers…so that people will disregard the information as soon as you utter the phrases. The bottom picture by itself makes you look like a CIA ASSet or would it be more appropriate to call you a tool? Tin foil hat…you couldn’t be original?

ditchner
ditchner
July 18, 2016 11:18 pm

The 911 truth movement has been compromised at its highest levels. Their insistence on the lame thermite hypothesis and their refusals to address the issues that 1. both towers almost entirely turned to dust within seconds and 2. resulting in a rubble pile that wouldn’t have even filled the lobby of one tower. Both of these unanswered observations are addressed in the simple video below with slow motion HD and a damning clip from ABC newsman, Peter Jennings, asking “where is all the rubble? …did it all turn into dust?” which demonstrates an unheard of technology that was leashed upon us on that day that obviates the truth of either the official mainstream conspiracy theory as well as the 911 “truth” agenda. Since the unleashing of this technology had to have been preceded by the two airplanes crashing into the buildings to build a cover story, the probability that the perpetrators would rely on the ability of poorly trained “islamic hijackers” to hit their marks is zero. So the redacted pages discussed above are nothing but a red herring because this event had nothing to do with Islamic terrorists. The terrorists who did this are our REAL enemies yet almost nobody has a clue they even exist.

You may think the building 7 collapse was the smoking gun (and it was one of them) but did you know that 4 other WTC buildings almost completely disappeared that day? They were not destroyed by falling debris. Building 6 had a giant cylindrical hole from top to bottom with nothing remaining to explain the damage. Watch the video yourself and see what really happened that day! Or take the blue pill and keep believing whatever lie it is you now believe.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  ditchner
July 19, 2016 1:57 am

Ditchner, I had not seen that video before. At the 9:32 mark you can see a white vertical line which I assume is the corner of the building. Immediately to the right of that line about 1/3rd of the frame up from the bottom a large piece of light colored debris emerges from the dust and is then overtaken by the dust falling faster than the solid object itself. The video is replete with that kind of thing but that particular piece caught my eye.

What sort of weapon or technology do you suppose cause that?

ditchner
ditchner
  IndenturedServant
July 19, 2016 10:15 am

IndenturedServant

That appears to be a steel beam turning into dust as it falls. We see it turn completely into dust. The dust did not overtake it. The dust WAS it. As to the type of weapon? I have no idea.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  ditchner
July 19, 2016 4:02 pm

ditchner-Tesla directed energy weapon of some kind, who knows. Anything we have knowledge of today is at least 70 year old technology for the MIC/Owners. I’m almost afraid to find out what they have in the arsenal of the future.

ditchner
ditchner
  Bea Lever
July 19, 2016 4:57 pm

Bea – Me too!

Maggie
Maggie
  Bea Lever
July 23, 2016 8:39 pm

I got a tiny little peak while I was visiting the rocket scientist up in D.C. I am astonished and I do not impress easily.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 18, 2016 11:42 pm

Stuck, yer being a bit overly optimistic in pronouncing the 28 pages (or any other part of the 9/11 report) as “fact” IMO. We’d be extremely generous in calling them “findings”.

Anywho, I don’t have a dog in this hunt. All I know fo sho is that I don’t “know” what happened on 9/11 and I doubt that I ever will. It no longer matters to me as it’s not possible for me to ever have a lower opinion of our (s)elected leaders and their corrupt system than I already do.

Hagar
Hagar
July 19, 2016 12:12 am

Yep. 19 radical Islamic terrorists with box cutters destroyed the World Trade Center towers 1 & 2, bldg 7, put a hole in the Pentagon, a smoking hole in Pa, with little forensics except for some passports and driver licenses to prove who did it. Ahhhaaagh, the whole story/stories are lies, misdirection, fabrications, false science, false engineering, and false government. We all know that the official story is false…we will probably never know what really happened or who orchestrated it. Just like the assignations of the 60’s, the real perps get away with the crime. Face it, we have been fuck over, and will get fucked again and again…unless one refuses to bend over.
I watched the first night of the RNC convention and with a few exceptions was disappointed the the rhetoric presented. We are much better off with the Donald than the witch, yet we are still in for a shitload of warmongering, copfuck misbehavior, Soros financed hate-mongering, LGBT bullshit, SJW, Wall Street/Banker thievery, and world wide collapse of economies. Oh, I forgot, Islamic Caliphate.

I usually try to stay off the ridge line, but tonight I have had enough.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
July 23, 2016 8:41 pm

Have you stopped taking your meds?

Grog
Grog
July 19, 2016 12:53 am

twenty-eight pages…

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Bea Lever
Bea Lever
July 19, 2016 1:09 am

T4C
Your comment illustrates exactly why I told Stuck I won’t waste my time.

Hagar- The USA!USA!USA! will continue to wage war no matter which puppet actor is selected. What gets me is why the idiots attending the convention will cheer and give them standing O’s as they validate another 8 years of this insanity.

Administrator
Administrator
July 19, 2016 6:15 am

It Is A Smoking Gun – Prince Bandar And Other Saudis Financed The 9/11 Terrorists

Submitted by Justin Raimondo via Anti-War.com,

News reports about the recently released 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks are typically dismissive: this is nothing new, it’s just circumstantial evidence, and there’s no “smoking gun.” Yet given what the report actually says – and these news accounts are remarkably sparse when it comes to verbatim quotes – it’s hard to fathom what would constitute a smoking gun.

To begin with, let’s start with what’s not in these pages: there are numerous redactions. And they are rather odd. When one expects to read the words “CIA” or “FBI,” instead we get a blacked-out word. Entire paragraphs are redacted – often at crucial points. So it’s reasonable to assume that, if there is a smoking gun, it’s contained in the portions we’re not allowed to see. Presumably the members of Congress with access to the document prior to its release who have been telling us that it changes their entire conception of the 9/11 attacks – and our relationship with the Saudis – read the unredacted version. Which points to the conclusion that the omissions left out crucial information – perhaps including the vaunted smoking gun.

In any case, what we have access to makes more than just a substantial case: it shows that the Saudi government – including top officials, such as then Saudi ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and other members of the royal family – financed and actively aided the hijackers prior to September 11, 2001.

Support for at least two of the hijackers when they arrived in the US was extended by three key individuals:

Omar al-Bayoumi – Bayoumi was clearly a Saudi intelligence agent: the FBI all but identifies him as such. His salary was paid for by companies directly owned and operated by the Saudi government, although he apparently rarely showed up for “work.” He was directly subsidized by the wife of then Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar, and these subsidies were substantially increased when the hijackers arrived in the US. It was Bayoumi who hovered over two of the hijackers – Nawaf al-Hamzi and Khalid al-Midhar – as soon as they arrived in the United States. He got them an apartment, co-signed the rental agreement, chauffeured them around – and helped them obtain information on flight schools.

Osama Bassnan – This individual, who, according to the report, has “many ties to the Saudi government,” boasted to an informant that he did more for the two hijackers than Bayoumi. He was certainly in a position to do so, since he lived directly across the street from them in San Diego. The FBI characterized him as “an extremist and supporter of Osama bin Laden”: like Bayoumi, his longtime associate – with whom he was in constant communication at the time of the hijackers’ American sojourn – Bassnan was subsidized by the Saudi royal family, and specifically Prince Bandar and his wife. A search of Basnan’s apartment turned up indications that he had cashiers checks amounting to $74,000. Bandar’s wife’s account had a standing arrangement to send monthly checks to Basan’s wife for “nursing services.” There is no evidence that such services were ever performed. The suppressed 28 pages cite direct payments from Prince Bandar to Basnan:

“On at least one occasion, Bassnan received a check directly from Prince Bandar’s account. Accordion to the FBI, on May 14, 1998, Bassnan cashed a check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000. Bassnan’s wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar She also received one additional check froth Bandar’s wife, which she cashed on January 8, 1998 for 10,000.”
Shayk Fahah al-Thumairy – He was a diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles and imam of the King Fahad mosque, which is a focal point of Muslim-Saudi activity in the area. US intelligence avers that “initial indications are that al-Thumairy may have had a physical or financial connection to al-Hamzi and al-Midhar.” Both attended the King Fahad mosque. Thumairy was interviewed by US law enforcement after fleeing to Saudi Arabia, and denied having any contact with the two hijackers – in spite of evidence that he was in telephonic contact with them. This, he asserted, was an attempt to “smear” him.

The two hijackers had extensive contacts with Saudi naval officers in the United States, according to telephone records. And when Abu Zubaydah, one of the accused 9/11 conspirators, was captured in Pakistan, they found the phone number of a Colorado company that managed “the affairs of the Colorado residence of the Saudi Ambassador.” Prince Bandar is practically the star of the suppressed 28 pages – no wonder the Bush administration, which had close ties to him, fought so hard to keep this secret.

The 28 pages also reveal that an individual – name redacted – associated with al-Qaeda and the hijackers sneaked into the US, avoiding Customs agents and the INS due to the fact that he was traveling with a member of the Saudi royal family. We are also told that “Another Saudi national with close ties to the Saudi Royal Family, [redacted], is the subject of FBI counterterrorism investigations and reportedly was checking security at the United States’ southwest border in 1999 and discussing the possibility of infiltrating individuals into the United States.”

The Saudi government’s financial and operational ties to at least two of the 9/11 hijackers are myriad, and largely substantiated. Furthermore, although some of these links as detailed in the 28 pages are tentative, it’s important to remember that this report was written in 2002, and that the intelligence community was strongly admonished to follow up because lawmakers deemed the lack of investigation into the Saudi connection “unacceptable.” So what did they find out in the fourteen years after that admonition was delivered? Inquiring minds want to know….

Prince Bandar went on to become head of Saudi intelligence: his personal relationship with the Bush family is well-known, and his access to US government officials – and his powerful influence in Washington – makes his starring role in the nurturing of the two hijackers into a gun that, while not quite smoking, is exuding vapors of a highly suggestive nature.

“Circumstantial evidence”? Perhaps – but people have been convicted of murder on the basis of such evidence, and, in this case, there is such a preponderance of evidence that a guilty verdict is unavoidable.

It would not be stretching the evidence to bluntly state that the suppressed 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry report on the 9/11 terrorist attacks places agents of the Saudi government at the epicenter of the plot. In short, there’s no two ways about it: the Saudis did 9/11.

Why did our government cover up this shocking evidence for so long?

The reason is because they had no desire to retaliate against the real perpetrators of 9/11. Instead, as we now know, they were determined to pin the blame on Saddam Hussein: indeed, the Bush administration pressed this talking point relentlessly, until it was forced to backtrack. We attacked Iraq, in the words of neocon grise eminence and top Bush administration official Paul Wolfowitz, because it was “doable.” A years long neoconservative campaign to target Iraq gained new impetus in the wake of 9/11, and the administration and its journalistic camarilla pushed the lie that Iraq was behind the attack. The evidence that the Saudis were involved had to be suppressed – because the Bush administration’s war plans depended on it.

Now that we know the truth, what do we do about it?

To begin with, if any other government had connections to a terrorist attack on the US of this nature, their capital would’ve been a smoking ruin. I’m not suggesting we do that, but at the very least the Saudis must be made to pay a high price for their complicity, starting with a moratorium on all US aid and arms sales to the Kingdom. We imposed trade sanctions on Russia for far less. Cutting off the Saudis from the US banking system should put a crimp in their extensive international network of terror-financing and money-laundering. And I know it’s too much to expect a public statement from our President pointing out that a US “ally” aided and abetted those who murdered over 3,000 people on 9/11, but I can dream, can’t I?

The Saudis aren’t our allies: as the 28 pages make all too clear, they are our deadly enemies. And they ought to be treated as such.

ditchner
ditchner
  Administrator
July 19, 2016 10:20 am

@administrator
Did you watch the video I posted? Everybody I have personally shown it to has had the same jaw dropping reaction to it. Once you realize what happened to the buildings you understand that this had NOTHING to do with hijackings by islamic terrorists.

ditchner
ditchner
  Administrator
July 19, 2016 10:24 am

@administrator
Did you watch the video I posted? Everybody I have personally shown it to has had the same jaw dropping reaction to it. The Saudi report may be damning and they may have (probably did) finance all sorts of bad guys but none of them had anything to do with the physics defying phenomenon we should all be able to clearly see from this video evidence.

ditchner
ditchner
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 10:27 am

@stucky
Please watch the video and tell us your explanation.

ditchner
ditchner
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 10:57 am

In other words you have no explanation. The core columns that briefly remained from the North tower (4:10) can be clearly seen to vanish within seconds as they turn to dust. There are many videos posted on YouTube from different vantage points that show the same thing. This one is the best because the camera was high enough to see what happens to the largest columns before the bouncing dust cloud obscures the view from the lower angles. But, go ahead and just make jokes if that’s the best you can do.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 12:21 pm

Always a pleasure to interact with you, King Shitflinger.

I admit I waiver back and forth on the topic. On the one hand, it seems insane to believe 19 followers of a nutjob from Saudi managed to pull that shit off. On the other hand, it seems impossible that our inept government leaders could manage to keep the secret if they were involved in the post-9/11 coverup in any way.

Mostly, I try to figure out how to grow a better berry.

Administrator
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July 19, 2016 9:55 am

Visualization of Stuck when posting a 9/11 article:

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
July 19, 2016 10:25 am

Isn’t it enough of a conspiracy that our supposed allies – the government of Saudi Arabia – killed almost 3,000 people in the US without having to add an additional, superfluous conspiracy of the towers being rigged with bombs? It’s like saying Sirhan Sirhan shot RFK in the head, but the Secret Service poisoned him, too.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
July 19, 2016 10:50 am

Stucky- It looks like you are going for a new all time high downer count. It never pays for you to attack old Bea and stir shit that is nonsensical. Give it up….call me when you want to have a real discussion about 9/11.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 1:44 pm

Your stubborn refusal to admit at least some of the events seem to be suspicious makes me laugh. You are a master baiter indeed, Stucky!

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Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 3:27 pm

Ahhhh yes…….The old donkey/ donkey dick routine that Stucky pulls every time he wants to deflect the attention away from himself. I have new material but will not put it up until a serious exchange takes place which is 110% more than he will bring to the discussion.

Ed
Ed
  Bea Lever
July 20, 2016 1:46 pm

You see it, Bea. This is just a shitstirring post. I never argue with anyone who watches TV. Their brains aren’t engaged and can’t be engaged because of the hypnotic effect of the idiot box. The effect gives them the attention span and reasoning abilities of a fucking gnat.

The 28 pages have nothing to do with how the towers came down. That anyone would be retarded enough to write a post on an unrelated aspect of the event hoping to get the tower demolition discussion going again should tell you something.

Next will be one titled something like “I Just Beat My Meat. Where Are All the Moon Landing Deniers?”

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Ed
July 20, 2016 2:20 pm

Ed
This is why I read your posts. You hit the funny bone every time. Stucky has no idea what to do with either of us which keeps him off balance and on the defensive.
Can you imagine that he says I am a backstabber and set traps for him? Now I just watch you pull the pin.

ditchner
ditchner
  Stucky
July 19, 2016 1:52 pm

I don’t recall having an explanation. I just provided a video that shows factual evidence of what actually happened. Cognitive Dissonance much?

aliasooze
aliasooze
  Stucky
July 23, 2016 9:02 pm

@ Stucky They have nuclear weapons and have used them so why is it so hard to believe the government has “some super duper extra secret top notch KILLER WEAPON.” Research tesla technology, HAARP and scalar weapons. There are microwave weapons as well. That’s just the ones they don’t call conspiracy anymore.
You can believe every word the government has ever told you in the textbooks and on the TV. Good luck with that. I will never read any more of your drivel, not because of the article itself, your comments are the cherry…

Olga
Olga
July 19, 2016 12:54 pm

@ ditchner

That was a well done video – thank you.

The idea that TPTB have technology well advanced of what is known to the common folk is – IMO – a given. The inability to conceptualize that the gulf between what we know as possible and what might actually be possible is far wider than previously thought does suggest a failure of imagination – an inability to think “outside of the box”.

The fact that two 110 story steel frame buildings collapsed into a ridiculously small pile of rubble and dust – smaller than the pile left by building 7 – cannot be explained so it cannot be talked about.

I suspect they threw the kitchen sink at things so as to guarantee success – so “all of the above” might be the method of destruction.

I also suspect the “missing pages” – along with the entire report – were just another feature of the entire psy-op – to be brought out on an as-needed basis.

Either way – the terror-porn traumatized us as it was meant to so until the fake aliens show up to eat us we will have the almighty terrorist dictating our politics.

There just isn’t enough profit – for some – in generating global peace and prosperity.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Olga
July 20, 2016 12:43 pm

Olga – Good post and I agree with you completely.

diogenes
diogenes
July 19, 2016 1:52 pm

“Where Did the Towers Go?” by Dr. Judy Wood

Cogdissnormbias
Cogdissnormbias
July 19, 2016 3:41 pm

Sometimes I think to myself, “Stucky, you have no life.”

Stuckfucky can you please send us that video of the commercial airliner hitting the pentagon again…that one always cracks me up.

Visitor from Germany
Visitor from Germany
July 20, 2016 9:03 am

@Stucky

You strike me as an intelligent and educated person.

So, I would like to ask you a couple of questions, if I may?

1. How high do you rate the statistical probability for a person, who never has actually flown a Boeing 767, only in a commercial Flight Simulator Game, to steer it successfully Bulls Eye into a tower like WTC1, travelling at about 500 Mph with wind from the side of about 90 ft./sec at the first try?

Not only once – twice!

2. How high do you rate the statistical probability for a mechanically (impact of a 200 ton aircraft traveling at 500 mph) damaged structure, which is burning, to collapse exactly into its own footprint, instead of collapsing incontrollably?

Not only once – twice!

(Hint: even if you assign a probability of 75% to each of the 4 said events – which is very generous, in my opinion – if you combine those 4 probabilities, you end up with about 69% against all 4 single events happening as they happend. If you assign a probability of 50%, you end up with 94% against and 6% success.)

Visitor from Germany
Visitor from Germany
  Stucky
July 20, 2016 10:47 am

“What difference does it make at this point?” – heh heh, I like this one 😉

I will read the piece, when I have the time. And I can imagine that a lot of the comments are easily rebuttable.

But: is it not easily imaginable, that the Intelligence Services have gadgets – weapons, explosives et al. – whose existence are not known outside the most deep core experts of the deep state?

20 years ago, I read a lot of Tom Clancy, the Jack Ryan novels – hey, I don’t know if it is possible to build lethal optical weapons (“Debt of Honour”) or bombs with an encasement of cellulose, which explode essentially without leaving a trace (“Clear and Present Danger”), but then…

Well, as I mentioned: I find it just too good to be true…if one of the airliners had missed the tower by half, losing a wing and creating havoc and destruction and fire for 20 blocks in its way forward…if one of the towers had collapsed incontrollably, tearing down several other buildings in it’s way…

But – well, I cannot believe it. And then I ask you: Cui bono?

“…And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”…” – Wesley Clark

As I said: all too good to be true. For s o m e people…

P.S. – Thanks for the blessing. I appreciate and return it!

ditchner
ditchner
  Stucky
July 20, 2016 12:40 pm

Stucky – You strike me as somebody who does not want to know or are too scared to know the truth. Intelligence and education has nothing to do with it.

What difference does it make? Well, Hillary, the people who pulled off 911 not only killed a lot of innocent people that day but blamed other innocents, and, with the help of their lap dog press managed to get pretty much the whole world to believe their outrageous lie. And further, they managed to pass restrictive legislation to curtail the rights of Americans based upon the lies. They got carte blanche to go anywhere they wanted around the world and kill more people and destroy populations based upon those lies. And people like you ask, “what difference does it make?” The world will never be the same because of those lies.
Imagine, however, if the whole world had not been fooled and had realized that the wacky airplane conspiracy theory lie could not have possibly explained the facts surrounding the disaster (some of which I presented in a video above) and had gone out into the streets like the brave citizen Turks who, without weapons, managed to overturn a coup last weekend. Maybe a real investigation would have taken place instead of a coverup involving a string of dump trucks that immediately began removing what little rubble remained without the normal forensic activity that we’d associate with an event such as this.

Those criminals are still out there planning, perhaps, even more heinous crimes to thrust upon a gullible and lazy society to achieve more of their world domination goals. They’re laughing at us and most of us are too stupid to realize that and the rest of us say “what difference does it make?”

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  ditchner
July 20, 2016 12:51 pm

Save your breath ditchner and German, if we had a film of G W Bush and numerous high level deep staters point blank admitting they pulled off 9/11 with the Mossad and also admitted the parts that are pure illusion, Stucky would declare it unbelievable. He would in the next breath declare that YOU had never presented any factual evidence.

Me thinks TBP does not want to go into that direction for their own reasons.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
July 20, 2016 2:42 pm

Stucky- May a diseased poonanny fall off and fly up your ass.

So you openly admit you post things just to fill space that you could really not care about? Just to fuck with me and Ed? I’m flattered.

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