Trump’s Economic Plan—-A Dog’s Breakfast Of Some Decent Ideas And A Lot Of Really Bad Fiscal Math

Donald Trump’s speech at the New York Economic Club on Thursday was quite brilliant, powerfully delivered and even laced with the kind of soaring “capitalist prosperity” rhetoric that has not been heard from GOP politicians since Jack Kemp.

I was all set to say as much this morning at 7AM on CNN’s “New Day” show. But the segment host, Alisyn Camerota, averred that first there was some more important business pending. That is, what did I think about Donald Trump’s “birther” views, and wasn’t that just as important as his economic speech?

That’s right. We have an economy that is on death’s door after 30-years of economic mis-governance by the Wall Street/Washington elites, but cable news was obsessed by the possibility that the Donald’s uuge comb-over might be hiding a tin foil hat!

So I thought it pertinent to observe that Barack Obama was born somewhere, had been elected President, served eight years and was on the way out—-but that he had left behind an even bigger economic mess than he inherited. In fact, the millions of families in Flyover America who have lost good jobs or seen their wages eroded by inflation or have had their savings crushed on the Fed’s zero bound do not care a whit about where our 44th President was born, but they most surely are interested in what is going to be done to change the current ruinous regime.

At length, we did get to Trump’s economic plan which among other things proposes to cut Federal taxes by $4.4 trillion over the next 10 years. I am more than ok with that because it at least recognizes the supply side principle that capitalist prosperity cannot be revived without lessening the heavy-hand of the state on incentives for work and enterprise in the private economy.

Besides, by the lights of CBO’s so-called “baseline” projections, Federal revenues under current policy would total $42 trillion over the next decade. So that means Trump’s tax cut is not all that radical, and at approximately 10% of the existing base is actually far smaller than the 25% revenue reduction embedded in the 1981 Reagan tax cut.

But what is profoundly disappointing about the Trump campaign’s stab at a semi-coherent economic plan is that it is a dog’s breakfast of some plausible policy ideas, really bad fiscal math and a relapse to the discredited, 35 year-old dogma of sweeping income tax cuts which pay for themselves.

They don’t. As the great Dwight D. Eisenhower proved in the context of the modern welfare and warfare states, politicians have to earn the right to favor the voters with tax reductions by first dispensing the pain of spending cutbacks and without an exemption for the military-industrial complex, either.

Following those precepts, Ike balanced the budget several times; generated an average deficit of less than 1% of GDP during his tenure; shrank the defense budget by 33% in real terms; and presided over the strongest 8-year growth rate (about 3.3%) of any post-war GOP president, including Ronald Reagan.

By contrast, the Reagan White House—me included—-fell for the theory of “dynamic scoring” and that the big cuts in the income tax rates would partially pay for themselves via revenue “flowback”. Back in those days the latter was expressed in an economic forecast known as Rosy Scenario, which assumed that in response to the supply side tax cuts, the US economy would get up on its hind legs and leap forward at a real GDP growth rate of more than 4% per year, and as far as the eye could see.

What happened instead, of course, is that the US economy plunged into the drink of the deep 1982 recession and the Federal deficit soared to 5% of GDP—a truly shocking outcome back in those innocent days when the old-time fiscal religion still had roots inside the beltway. And it would have also caused enormous economic havoc had not the Gipper’s advisors—me included—talked him to signing three tax bills over 1982-1984 that recaptured roughly 40% of the revenue loss from his cherished tax cuts.

Even then, the public debt grew by 250% during Reagan’s eight years—-or by more than under any peacetime President in American history. Yet even to this day the GOP politicians and their economic advisers profess a case of heavy duty amnesia about what happened, claiming that real GDP grew by upwards of 4.5% and that these results were proof positive that “dynamic scoring” of tax cuts is valid.

Worse still, they appear to have convinced Donald Trump of this same fallacious revisionist history because it was embedded at the core of the Thursday speech’s fiscal math. To wit, Trump claimed that $2.6 trillion or 60% of the revenue loss from his $4.4 trillion tax cut would be recouped by, yes, 4% economic growth as far as the eye can see.

No muss, no fuss, and no need for heavy duty spending cuts. In fact, the Donald claimed that the only inconvenience that would be requested of the beltway racketeers and the 160 million US welfare state beneficiaries was “fraud, waste and abuse” savings of one penny per dollar of non-defense, non-entitlement spending.

Let’s see. The part of the budget that Trump apparently conceded was fair game for “cuts” amounts to about $600 billion of non-defense appropriations. So at a penny on a dollar, the savings would represent the grand sum of $6 billion per year.

Never mind that this amounts to just 13 hours of total Federal spending at the FY 2017 run-rate of $450 million per hour, and that it would off-set exactly 0.14% of the proposed tax cut. All the rest is economic magic, apparently.

Here’s the thing. There actually was a “reflow” of higher growth from the Reagan tax cuts, and I have no doubt there would be from the Trump plan, as well. But the skunk in the woodpile is that like back then, the “reflow” is already built into the CBO baseline budget. You can’t count economic growth twice.

The problem during the Reagan era is that we over-estimated nominal GDP growth by 15% and neglected to average in the negative real growth numbers posted during the recession which preceded the 4.5% growth in 1983-1986.  Consequently, the inherited Jimmy Carter budget baseline dramatically overstated the revenue base from which the Reagan tax cuts were extracted.

And that’s the case in spades today with what might be called the Clinton-Bush-Obama baseline. The Keynesian apparatchiks who man the CBO forecasting machinery currently assume that there will never by another recession in all of future history, world without end.

Accordingly, as of FY 2026 under the current 10-year budget baseline, the US will have gone 207 months without a recession!

Business Cycle Recoveries Length- Click to enlarge

That’s 3X the average post-war business cycle expansion of 61 months, and 2X the longest ever expansion of 119 months which occurred during the Greenspan boom of the 1990’s.  Needless to say, the latter proved to be artificial and unsustainable when it ended in the dotcom crash, the housing bubble and the great financial crisis of 2008.

Beyond that, the other great lesson of the 1980s is that fiscal outcomes are overwhelmingly driven by nominal GDP growth, not real GDP. That’s because Uncle Sam principal revenue sources—income and payroll levies—tax nominal income, regardless of whether it is “real” or not by the lights of the Washington statistical mills.

The fact is, after two decades of massive monetary stimulus on a worldwide basis, and a monumental expansion of global debt from $40 trillion to $225 trillion, we are now in the payback cycle and a historically unprecedented era of global deflation. Accordingly, nominal GDP growth has been forced toward the flat-line everywhere, and has virtually no prospect of escaping it.

To wit, the US economy has clearly rolled over and will be soon succumbing to recession after nearly 90 months of tepid recovery. That means that today’s $18.4 trillion of nominal GDP will likely represent a peak-to-peak growth rate of just 2.7% per annum from the prior peak of $14.7 trillion of nominal GDP in Q4 2007.

Alas, CBO assumes 4% nominal GDP growth through 2026, and that is exactly where the laws of compound arithmetic wreak havoc—-just as they did back in the Gipper’s time. Even if you assume 3% per annum nominal GDP growth with another recession averaged in, the CBO baseline overstates nominal GDP by $12 trillion, wage and salary income by $5 trillion and income and payroll tax revenue by $2 trillion during the decade ahead.

In short, the “flowback” and then some is already embedded in the CBO baseline. That is, any additional “growth” stimulated by the Trump tax cuts will be needed just to recover the phantom revenues served up by CBO.

So whether they intend it or not, the Trump campaign advisors are helping the candidate to hide the ball on spending cuts. Given the fact that Trump would inherit a social security system that will be less than 9 years from insolvency, as I have demonstrated in Chapter 8 of Trumped!, and  which will cost nearly $1 trillion in FY 2017, it is just absurd to say that entitlements can be exempted from cuts.

That’s especially the case because $950 billion is just the current—and rapidly growing—-cost of cash benefits under OASDI. If you add in medical entitlements you get another $1.2 trillion; and then there is a further $304 billion for means tested entitlements like food stamps, the earned income tax credit, supplemental security income, and unemployment insurance.

And, as the man says on late night TV, that’s not all! There is also $108 billion of annual veterans entitlements that Trump apparently intends to enhance and $164 billion of Federal retirement benefits—-a substantial chunk of which goes to military retirees.

I tried to cut the latter once, and was warned that the Oval Office door would be taken down by a fire-axe if the plan even made it to the President’s desk.

So whoever convinced Donald Trump that upwards of $2.7 trillion of entitlement spending can be exempted from cuts, and that the defense budget actually needs to be increased should be charged with wanton malpractice.

The US spends more than $700 billon per year on the Pentagon and related international security and domestic spying operations. That compares to Russia’s military budget of $40 billion, meaning that Vlad Putin has all of 3-weeks worth of US national security spending to threaten the entire free world.

And that’s not all. From my 19th floor apartment in New York City, I can actually see Russia. Not exactly in the manner that Sarah Palin espied it from Alaska, but actually in a far more relevant manner.

As it happens, the GDP of the New York City metro area is about $1.6 trillion. Russia’s GDP is about $1.4 trillion, and consists largely of a giant hydrocarbon patch, a goodly number of nickel coal, iron ore and other mineral mines and about 100 million acres of wheat and grain fields.

That’s about the extent of it. Putin my be a grand larcenist in his own back yard, but he’s no threat to a single citizen in America—-or Europe for that matter. The Donald’s better idea would be to make a Peace Deal with Putin, dissolve the utterly useless and unnecessary cold war relic of NATO, and then start to drain the swampland of waste where the Pentagon has resided since 1948.

Yes, and when it comes to cutting entitlements, a good place to start would be to “fire” from the rolls the 50,000 millionaires who get social security. And then to clawback a goodly share of the cash and medicare benefits received by the 25% of OASDHI recipients with household incomes of more than $50k per year.

There is much more in the Trump economic plan that needs “some work”, as they say. We will address some of those items next week. But for now let’s just say: Enough of the patented beltway economic magic that has pushed the nation to the fiscal brink.

Indeed, hiding the ball on the massive budget cuts that will be needed to finance vitally necessary tax cuts will only insure that that nation’s sputtering remnant of a capitalist economy will be crushed by the Welfare and Warfare states on which the Imperial City feeds.

 

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starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
September 17, 2016 10:45 am

I quit reading. Stockman is flat dishonest. Another anti Trump wall street scum. He takes bits and pieces of things Trump has proposed (for instance not touching social security retirement benifits) and rolls it into a ball with five five other things, and then says see, Trump bad. Fuck you Stockman, i hope you’re dirty.

starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
  Administrator
September 17, 2016 11:37 am

Come on Jim. I knew you had the red dot on my forehead, but this is still a dishonest piece of work. The good thing is, we are seven weeks away from the stockmans of the world’s opinions not mattering much. The cartelization of the economy is clearly in Trump’s gunsights. Let’s see what happens. Stockman won’t approve. So what? He’s picking a side, and so am I.

starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
  starfcker the deplorable
September 17, 2016 3:25 pm

Think i’m wrong? Think stockman isn’t another romney/ryan/jeb bush piece of shit? Reread his bedtime story. Lyin ryan only wanted to push granny off the cliff. Stockman wants to go down and find the body and see if he can sell the eyeballs and kidneys. “CLAWBACK the cash and MEDICAIRE benefits recieved by anybody making over 50 grand”. That’s a new low, david. You are trash.

starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
  starfcker the deplorable
September 17, 2016 5:32 pm

And who the fuck is upvoting that crying baby? (It is funny)

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Administrator
September 17, 2016 6:07 pm

Admin, why is this baby suspiciously low on melanin? Shouldn’t there be a black or brown baby to compensate?

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
September 17, 2016 10:51 am

So obviously a protectionist trade policy to keep American industries booming was the proper path with high taxes on imported goods competing with American made products . But no we got plenty good stuff cheap cheap ! As our tax base eroded to a debt economy literally destroying our children and grandchildrens future and bankrupting nearly every retirement plan in existnce excluding government employees plan but they will continue as long as any private citizen has an asset left to plunder and then what ?
It’s a fool that would listen to any politician who claims he will fix it ! The pain will be real and everybody will have to take the hit equally ! Ron Paul outlined what needed to be done decades ago and his policies were dashed as if he was a lunatic not so crazy now is he . Wealthy people my fly to some island but if they try flying back the landing lights probably will be out good luck the shit will hit the fan !

Gayle
Gayle
September 17, 2016 11:20 am

I read technical analyses like this and after paragraph #1 my eyes glaze over.

The fundamental issue is there are too many people in the world and not enough work for them to do. Automation continues to diminish available jobs, and increasing wealth inequality testifies to an unwillingness by TPTB to share the goodies. What is the solution? One job only allowed per household? A universal minimum income granted to every person? Kill off 1/3 of the world’s population?

I’m certain that some great (and probably scary) minds somewhere are working on a solution that we will find most distasteful. In the meantime we can fiddle with tax rates, GDP, and military pensions and pretend any of it will make a difference.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Gayle
September 17, 2016 11:59 am

Not one third, two thirds or more, maybe three quarters.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Gayle
September 17, 2016 4:52 pm

Gayle, one of the most galling things to see here is a commenter getting lots of thumbs up and ‘hear, hear’ rah-rahs throwing him a parade for saying essentially the same thing I said not two days ago when it fell on deaf ears. At that time, you feel like writing a long rant somewhat like David had done here to expose the recycled ideas Herr Trump is touting today.

David picks apart Trump’s voodoo economics plan because Trump is cribbing from Uncle Ronnie’s tried and failed plan to cut taxes and grow the economy. What they ended up doing was giving up on manufacturing and went for financial manipulation of the economy.

David lays it all out for the noobs who are not familiar with the Reagan era and only recall the Clinton years when there was only growth and no recession. The reality was that the market was pumped up with hot air. After they fleeced the muppets in the market, they went after the money under the mattress with the housing bubble ploy.

David knows all these things and while he warns the buyers of Trump’s snake oil, he agrees with the proposed tax cuts but he points to the things Trump plans on excluding; the military, and Social Security. He has his own views on folks who don’t need the SS largess, folks who use it as mad money, for their monthly excursion to Atlantic City. He gives Trump credit for his negative view of NATO and his proposed rapprochement with Russia.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Full Retard
September 18, 2016 1:13 am

The title implies that David thinks Trump’s regurgitated 1980 economic plan is simply offering America dog vomit.

Like an archer who wounds everyone, So is he who hires a fool or who hires those who pass by.

Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly.

Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.…

Pete
Pete
  Gayle
September 18, 2016 9:32 am

TPTB should be talking about a 3 day work week. Worldwide. Thats where all these self-driving trucks and robot forklifts get us to eventually. Soon it’ll be an AI operating a chicken farm or gas station. It wouldn’t take much for a robot to sell phones & sunglasses at the local Mall. The 100 million missing jobs in the USA will never come back. In 15 years there will be 300 million Chinese who have missing jobs too – and a few hundred millions more excess in India and everywhere else.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
September 17, 2016 11:41 am

Did anyone here notice that Trump finally came out yesterday and admitted that Oreo was born in the USA. Why would he flip flop you might ask? Mr. birther himself was stronly advised by his handlers to tell the truth to get himself closer to the black voters. You can down this if you like but it is the truth.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bea Lever
September 17, 2016 12:02 pm

He came out like this to kil the issue since it is Hillary he is running against, not Obama.

Let Hillary deal with it since she started it.

As for me, it isn’t the nation of his birth I’ve ever questioned since he is a citizen by birthright (which satisfies “natural born”), it is the true circumstances of it and his real parentage that I’ve wondered about.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Anonymous
September 17, 2016 12:09 pm

Oreo’s real father is a marxist of the highest degree Anon. Trump knew where Oreo was born all along.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bea Lever
September 17, 2016 12:55 pm

Sometimes the only way you can expose something is to call attention to it by indirect means that leads others, critics and such, to investigate it and expose the real circumstances to discredit the indirect means.

Didn’t work well in this case, but it (Frank Marshall Davis) did get found out by a few who would have otherwise missed it.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Anonymous
September 17, 2016 1:17 pm

Just so you know Anon, the MSM talking heads were blathering about Frank Marshall Davis when Oreo was just becoming known to the public a rising star and potential presidential candidate. They went out of their way to call him Oreo’s mentor since he was a young boy as though that was a grand thing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bea Lever
September 17, 2016 1:42 pm

Ya’, he mentioned “Frank” multiple times in his first edition of Dreams from My Father but deleted the mention of him in the audio version of it when it started being noticed by too many people.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Bea Lever
September 18, 2016 1:18 am

Bea, a good lawyer would not ask a question he didn’t know the answer to.

El Doggy said that when women ask a question, it’s because they already know the answer, they just want to hear what stupid thing you are going to say.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Bea Lever
September 18, 2016 1:25 am

Oreo’s real father is Darth Vader. He was quite the swordsman and Oreo is himself a gay blade.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Full Retard
September 18, 2016 9:14 am

FR

Oreo’s father was Darth Nigger and his pen was mightier than the sword.

Darth Negro
Darth Negro
  Bea Lever
September 18, 2016 3:04 pm

Bea, I am your father.

susanna
susanna
September 17, 2016 11:42 am

So sorry so sad…David is not running for president, Donald is.
So the Donald will win saying a thirty – forty% cut in all spending
across the board is the cure? He won’t win. The shite will hit the fan for the lower 80% regardless. The country is out of dough and the tax base is waning. The rich 20% will have to disguise themselves (no more 5K handbags and Maybach S series Mercedes)
and hire private security for their homes. I fear all of this will
play out…but what the heck do I know? I have to be right that
paying full $60K+/year for ne’er do wells and immigrants in
compounding numbers can’t last much longer. The workers
are retiring in droves.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 17, 2016 12:08 pm

Maybe Stockman should address Hillary’s economic plan, I wonder what he would say about that, whether praise or condemnation.

FWIW, comparing our military spending to Russia’s is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison since we directly and indirectly pay the bulk of NATO’s (Europe’s) costs as well as our own and Russia isn’t burdened with this as we are. There is also the issue of how much an American dollar buys here and how much it buys there (same with China).

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
September 17, 2016 12:47 pm

Stockman’s campaign strategy:
Promise cuts to the military
Promise cuts in entitlements

No wonder he’s not in politics.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
  Iska Waran
September 17, 2016 1:30 pm

You won’t make it in politics by telling people an unpleasant truth, which is why neither Stockman nor Ron Paul were successful as politicians.

You make it by pandering and bringing a lot of pork home to your district, and by dispensing goodies to the population at large. Bring home those highways to nowhere and dams in states with 300,000 population and rail lines nobody rides and military installations and half billion dollar loans for your failing hometown industries, and that paid 12 week maternity leave and special tax breaks for favored businesses and funding for every idiotic, money-wasting special program for every special needs group with more than 12 people in it.

You will never make it by cutting spending, because that means hitting projects very dear to a large population. And you’ll never get anywhere telling people the truth, which is that we have been jointly and severally living far beyond our means for the past 50 years and pay-later time has finally arrived in the buy-now-pay-later society.

General
General
September 17, 2016 1:20 pm

The root causes of the problems in the economy have nothing to do with other countries. Nor does it have to do with how many people there are, amount of work that needs to be done, or automation.

The problem is the corruption of the money supply and the laws, and the ignorance of the general population.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
September 17, 2016 3:12 pm

I’ve said Trump is Jerry Springer but he is still a better choice than Rosie Odonnel.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Overthecliff
September 17, 2016 3:44 pm

Why would one SOS reality tv actor be any better than another? Is one theif better than another?

Homer
Homer
September 17, 2016 3:54 pm

Why is it, David, every time I read one of your comments, I get a fresh breeze of logic and reason. That’s gotta stop! It’s overwhelming my ignorance. What about all those graphs? Are they suppose to support your position or something?

I plan on buying “Trumped”. I know you said it was time sensitive on Greg Hunter’s interview,

but, I’m buying it after the election, I figure I can get it for half price, then.

By the way that was a great interview you gave Greg. I watched it three times.

Lysander The Deplorable
Lysander The Deplorable
September 17, 2016 6:03 pm

I really don’t give a damn about this statistic or that statistic. I will vote Trump because even if nothing is accomplished, and he can’t do anything he said he would do, we all will be mucho better off with Trump than having that dirty bitch in the WH.

If he does absolutely NOTHING for 4 years, it’s better than the path we’re on right now. It’ll be no solution, but at least it’ll buy us some more time.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Lysander The Deplorable
September 17, 2016 9:23 pm

With all of the media, all of academia, all of the big corporations, all of the military-industrial complex, all of the entertainment complex against Trump, how could I not be for him? If he wins and people ask why, the answer should be, “because fuck you – that’s why.”

Deplorable Paul
Deplorable Paul
  Lysander The Deplorable
September 18, 2016 3:34 pm

Lysander the Deplorable- absolutely right. 4 or 8 year suspension of the current off-the-rails path we’re on is infinitely preferable to having Her Venalness pushing the throttle ever more open. Maybe a little breathing room will cause a few more people to realize what’s coming.
After all, ongoing momentum would continue the slide even if all future economic mistakes could be magically halted.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 17, 2016 9:02 pm

Stockman is a smart guy, His stuff is always worth reading and on occasion he is right. That said, he is a completely clueless “economic man”. He thinks this election is about the economy and that Trump is running on a jobs and prosperity platform. Of course Trump wants to improve the economy, bring jobs back to the U.S. and level the playing field with foreign economic rivals. That said, this election is about the survival of the USA as a Western nation, or a nation at all. I do not believe that Trump will deliver on all his promises. Only a doofus would. Trump represents the real American nation fighting for its life against Marxists, subversives, parasites and unwelcome aliens.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 17, 2016 9:23 pm

Anon
You are right about the election and I agree with you about his intentions or ability to make good on promises. Thing is, I have read a great deal that the savior is actually in bed with the Rusky oligarghs. The new version of fascism in Russia is much the same as our particular brand only theirs is melded together with a purer form of marxism. I think it is safe to say many of the first family could not get a security clearance.

starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
September 17, 2016 9:32 pm

Anon number two. Way to twist words. Anon one didn’t say a word about trump’s intentions. Nice hit job, doofus

TPC
TPC
September 17, 2016 10:22 pm

Like I’ve been saying for a long time: the next president will not fix any of the US’s problems. Unless somebody from this website or an affiliate steps forward for the 2020 election our trajectory can only continue downwards.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  TPC
September 17, 2016 11:24 pm

TPC, are you suggesting that bb run for office?

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  TPC
September 17, 2016 11:26 pm

If tRump can do something about ending the Feds charter it would be a MASSIVE step in the right direction but I’m not holding my breath.

The next best thing he could do would be to begin, in earnest, educating the public to the evils of central banking and how nearly everything that ails us stems from the private, foreign control of our monetary system.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  IndenturedServant
September 17, 2016 11:43 pm

No puppet of the owners would EVER try to end the Fed. That will never happen which should tell you who owns these two shills. Have you heard one word out of tRUMP in that direction but be sure to vote for him because he is less evil than the bitch. The stupid it burns.

Lysander The Deplorable
Lysander The Deplorable
  IndenturedServant
September 18, 2016 10:34 am

@ IndenturedServant…….Yes! The favorite expressing among alt-right folks and preppers is ‘Wake Up!’, but we all are just preaching to the choir.

The average citizen doesn’t look deep into these matters because he or she is intellectually lazy. But once made aware, some of them, even just a few, will have a revelation- well, hopefully they will.

You are so right IS. Telling the truth would be Trump’s greatest gift to us.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
September 17, 2016 11:01 pm

I wish TPC was wrong but he is right. 20 trillion in debt and growing says he is right.

Full Retard
Full Retard
September 17, 2016 11:29 pm

Starfuck, you and Iska really should jack off before you guys kill somebody. On the other hand, heh, I admire your passion for Trump.

I have little enthusiasm for either Killery or Grump. Once elected, they will be the boss of bosses, it’s fitting that he’s already named the Don.

starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
September 18, 2016 12:24 am

EC, it’s going to turn out fine. Like it, hate, doesn’t matter. It’s reset time. Buckle up, could be a bumpy ride, but the destination will make it worthwhile. People are what they are. Stockman is a creature of wall street. No other perspective, in the end. He’s in for a shock. Soon.

TJF
TJF
September 18, 2016 8:39 am

I don’t get it. Stockman says Trump’s plan, although not as bad as Hillary’s, is not going to work and is based on essentially magical thinking. The Trumpeteers then decide that Stockman is the problem and say nothing to defend Trump’s economic plan. Starficker and others, is that because you realize his plan is crap and you are just sore that someone said it?

Trump is just another politician. He may disrupt the apple cart a bit, but in the end he is mostly more of the same. I think it is dangerously naive to think otherwise. Be careful what you vote for, you just might get it.

yahsure
yahsure
September 18, 2016 2:58 pm

I figure that Trump will be lucky to get a few of his ideas through. An economic collapse is still coming and Everyone is pretending it isn’t going to happen.

Full Retard
Full Retard
September 18, 2016 3:21 pm

Reagan 1 may have been the last president we had. Since then, a cabal has run their candidate – a muppet they control (see Bush Deuce and Obama) to gain control of the country.

Therefore, be not troubled. It isn’t a matter of who is elected, but which mob. The contest at hand is whether the Chinese (Eastasia) will have influence in the USA (Oceania) or the Russians (Eurasia).

All the rest; racial, religious and economic turmoil is just for internal control.

Admin, your not paying me enough for all this brilliance. I should be making what Stuck the slacker is making. Where is the old boy?