Will Automation Make Us Poor?

Submitted by Aaron Bailey via The Mises Institute,

Automation has become a huge concern in recent years. With computer algorithms getting more and more sophisticated, machines are becoming increasingly able to do jobs that are many people’s bread and butter.

Driverless cars have been tested on our roads for years. Although they aren’t commercially available yet, they eventually will be. Once that happens, they’ll replace cab drivers, as well as people currently contracted by rideshare companies like Uber and Lyft. After all, if employers can remove the expense of paying drivers, they can provide their services for much cheaper while still retaining a greater net profit. Automated vehicles will also replace commercial freight drivers.

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That’s not the only place automation might shift the job market. We’ve already seen integration of self-checkout registers in large grocery chains. Even fast food restaurants are getting behind the trend. McDonald’s currently has kiosks at various locations that allow customers to order and receive their food without any human interaction. Carl’s Jr. and Hardees intend to test out kiosks at some of their locations as well.

Back in 2012 a robotics startup company Momentum Machines developed a prototype of a fully autonomous machine that takes orders, cooks the burger, slices the toppings, assembles the burger, wraps it all up, and gives it to the customer. This machine was shown to be able to prepare 400 burgers in an hour, and the company has already purchased a building in the San Francisco Bay Area and intends to open a fully autonomous restaurant very soon. The restaurant will still require a few humans to ensure the machines run smoothly and to empty out the cash and perform other small tasks.

Obviously if this new robo burger joint proves itself profitable, we can expect large chains to follow suit.

The question on a lot of people’s minds has been, if machines can taxi people around and take orders and flip burgers, where does that leave the millions of individuals currently employed to fill these jobs?

Markets Change — It’s Been Happening Since the Beginning of Markets

This isn’t really anything new. Printing presses eliminated the need for scribes, and more recently online media has reduced the need for printing presses. Vending machines took the job of venders a long time ago. And don’t forget that elevator operators use to be a thing.

But, we don’t hear many complaints about the lacks of jobs for scribes or elevator operators nowadays. We realize that those jobs went away because their jobs can be done much more quickly and economically through other means. The same thing is happening now, just with different jobs.

Businesses have always been innovating in ways to make themselves more efficient, thus more profitable and more satisfying to the consumer.

A common response is to point out that these innovations, and others like them, create jobs for more skilled laborers, such as the engineers who build these machines, the computer scientists who develop the algorithms for these machines, and the IT workers who will fix software and hardware issues when they happen.

But what happens to the lower-skilled laborers? Surely not everyone has the privilege (or the time, given that plenty of families are forced to work multiple jobs to feed their families) to become robot builders and coders. And even if every fast-food worker obtained a new skill, then other markets would just become flooded with overqualified job seekers.

Automation: Reducing the Cost of Living

The benefit of automation today, as always, has been that it reduces the cost of living and makes work more productive. This has been true since the invention of the wheel and all other labor-saving devices.

In cases such as these, the complaint is repeatedly made that even cheaper goods will not be affordable when no one has jobs. The more realistic scenario, however, is that fewer jobs and fewer hours will be needed to support households when the prices of goods are lower.

This can be seen to have been the case during the twentieth century when the work week became shorter, and workers began to work fewer hours. Simultaneously, the standards of living increased.

We have to consider all the facts here: business innovation may remove obsolete jobs, but with the added efficiency, goods and services are able to go down in price.

Take, for instance, autonomous cars. While it’s unfortunate that this will bring temporary unemployment to many drivers, the decline in prices for transport will be a boon to many others.

This could be especially beneficial to many low-income households who spend a large portion of their incomes on owning, insuring, and maintaining a vehicle. For many families who may only need automobiles on occasion, this will be especially beneficial.

Indeed, many households report they have no means of paying for an emergency auto repair. For many families, a broken down automobile is a looming economic risk, and the rise of plentiful automated transportation could greatly reduce these risks to family budgets.

More families also may realize that it’s no longer economical to keep up with a vehicle and opt instead for cheaper automated transportation. They then will find they have extra money to spend on other things, or more money to save.

So while technological innovation may eliminate some people’s jobs, other folks may see many benefits. If the prices of enough goods and services go down, lower wages will become sufficient enough for many people to live comfortably on lower nominal wages. This is what is known as an increase in “real income,” and it’s a good thing. 

 

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starfcker
starfcker
January 7, 2017 3:53 pm

Another “mises institute” dirtbag. Remember this anytime you hear an argument about automation. Nobody is arguing against it. Nobody. Try to find one single person trying to hold it back. The subject is the border. The subject is allowing trans-national companies access to our market without sharing any of the costs of that market. Trash like mr bailey exist to take your eye off the ball. Don’t let that happen. “Either we have a country, or we don’t.” Donald Trump. Time to choose sides. The time for fighting starts in two weeks.

starfcker
starfcker
January 7, 2017 3:55 pm

Libertarianism. Communism by apathy.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  starfcker
January 7, 2017 8:52 pm

Republicans–Democrats Who Are Not Yet 100% Corrupt

Independents–People Who Can’t Commit & Fall For Catchy Slogans

kokoda the deplorable
kokoda the deplorable
  TampaRed
January 8, 2017 1:08 am

Tampa……I am an Independent.

I commit to voting for the best person for the job. I do not commit to being a follower that doesn’t use their mental capability to vote for the best person for the job.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  kokoda the deplorable
January 8, 2017 8:42 am

Kokoda,you make lots of good comments & I don’t mean to pick a fight w/you but on this you are wrong.
When I stated above about catchy slogans I meant your statement about voting for the best person.I’ve usually heard it expressed as,”I vote the man,not the party.”
With rare exceptions such as a transcendent candidate or corrupt or uncontrollable candidate,you should not even need to know who is on the ballot.You should only need to know the party’s platform.
Unfortunately,most people vote but then do not hold the party accountable either for their lying(and yes,it is a lie when they do not legitimately attempt to implement their platform)or their ineffectiveness while in office.
There is nothing wrong with party politics per se.Citizens just need to keep themselves informed & more importantly they should get involved.
I originally replied on this because of the comment about Libertarians.I am registered Libertarian but I also call myself a recovering Republican.I was a Rep but got fed up with them & switched in the late 90s.Whether you want to attribute it to dishonesty,stupidity,or cowardliness,or a combination of those,the Reps are no longer the party for me,though I did vote for Trump.He is what I mean by a transcendent candidate and Hillary needs no explanation.

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 7, 2017 4:35 pm

You are never going to get it, Star. Never.

Share the costs of our market? Almost wet myself laughing.

What say those costs get slashed?

You want to deprive people of their freedom to choose. You know best.

Trump is not going to win this fight. He is not even going to fight this fight.

If you close the US market, or enter a trade war, the US gets screwed. Plus, there are not going to be any mfg jobs in any event. Automation, baby. Mfg is down from 50% of the workforce in 1955 (80 million mfg jobs at todays population) to 8% (13 million mfg jobs today) now, and they all did not go to China. The trade deficit is $500 billion or whatever. How many jobs is that? (Hint: say 3 jobs per million of sales. Or 1.5 million jobs.) Do the calcs and get back to me. Reduce the 13 million jobs by say 3% a year, and let me know when you hit ground zero.

It is not happening. The US loses as many as 500k mfg jobs per year because of automation. So, even if all the jobs are brought back – not going to happen – within 3 years automation will offset any possible gain.

The days of mfg are over. Mfg is a dinosaur. Forget about resurrecting it. It is through as an engine of growth.

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
January 7, 2017 5:25 pm

You’ll lose your money

starfcker
starfcker
  Llpoh
January 7, 2017 5:39 pm

I always wonder when people get religion late in life. “Yes, I believe that punitive action needs to be taken – not only tariffs but total blockades of certain goods – in order to get a level playing field. The wage differential will still by and large exist, but at least it will be a fair game and not one rigged so that the winner is absolutely predetermined. And right now no small manufacturer can compete against the Chinese, and there is no prospect of that changing, as the system is being gamed entirely by the Chinese. If the system were fair, at least some incentive would exist for small businesses to hang in there until such times as wages equalized a bit. But with the way it is, thee is no hope that wage equalization will help, as they are killing us on all fronts by doing things we Westerners consider illegal and unethical.” Llpoh March 20 2012

Llpoh
Llpoh
  starfcker
January 7, 2017 6:25 pm

Yes – the system is being gamed by the Chinese. But since 2012 another couple million jobs have dropped out of mfg. And please note it referenced “small business”. Those small bizs could perhaps have carved out some niches. Maybe still can. But the volume of jobs simply cannot recover. The jobs are gone.

The problems now are the US red tape, the effects of automation are really kicking in at warp speed, the Chinese have fully entrenched themselves, etc.

The major Chinese mfgs are now moving to automate away mfg jobs in bulk.

By the way, Chinese wages doubled between 2009 and 2015.

Additionally, their productivity increases at around 8% a year, versus US 3% (uh-oh). So, they are about to steal US exports away.

Four or five years is an eternity at the rate of current change.

The ship has sailed.

RiNS
RiNS
  Llpoh
January 7, 2017 5:44 pm

North America cannot start a war with Eastasia when it is critically dependent on microchips manufactured over there.

Ain’t happening.

The 95 or more million sitting their asses waiting for Electrohome to start building TV’s and Stereos locally are going to be waiting a long time.

A tariff put in place by Trump will only be a tax. No different then that Soda tax in Philly. Sold as a solution the politicians will give themselves high fives. The maff challenged electorate clueless as always won’t realize they are getting screwed until they are at Best Buy getting a new 50″ Flat screen.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
January 7, 2017 4:36 pm

Superficial nonsense, with vague promises of future benefits. In fact, the standard of living for everyone below the tops 10% has been DECLINING for 40 years, and there are now 95 million people of working age not in the workforce. What to do with all these “useless mouths?”
Cheer up, however, if MacDonalds, etc… deploy such machines in minority areas, the wear and tear will destroy their franchises….

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
January 7, 2017 5:38 pm

I prefer to remain positive. There will be plenty of opportunities a few decades (centuries tops) after the nuclear war and the followup plagues.

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 7, 2017 6:34 pm

Slinky – the real price of many goods falls over time. Cars, for instance – you get much more for much less today than in 1960, for instance.

The list is huge.

Check Walmart for how prices have gone down, or stay down.

Re costs going up – welfare state and taxes. Re wages not going up – unsustainably high wages given the competition.

kokoda the deplorable
kokoda the deplorable
  Llpoh
January 8, 2017 1:17 am

Not going to delve into car prices in terms of Reasl or Non-Inflation, but…

The new car I bought in 1963 for $3,500 would cost upwards of $50,000 today. Back in ’63 I could choose what I wanted in the vehicle. The touch screen for climate controls is digital and is an accident waiting to happen. I don’t need TPMS; nor do I need 5 Airbags. ETC.

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 7, 2017 7:10 pm

Slinky – seriously, do not be stupid. Look this stuff up before you yap on. Car prices in real terms are down. Same goes for white goods, etc.

It used to take 30+ weeks of labor to buy a car. Now it is around 20. Plus the car is much better.

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 7, 2017 7:56 pm

Slinky cannot deal with facts. He flaps his pie hole about stuff he cannot bother to research, posts a bunch of falsehoods, gets called on it, restates his experiences rather than facts, and Slinks off with tail between his legs.

So, why are more people struggling?

– increased taxes/fines/property taxes during period of stagnant wages
– debt load – people carry far too much debt and choose to take out 84 month loans for cars. The 84 month loan is not a symptom of the problem, it is a cause.
– cost of medical care
– cost of energy

Etc.

It is not the cost of mfg goods that is the issue. It is the cost of the welfare state and the cost of EPA regs and the cost of Obamacare and govt workers and govt pensions and free shitters and ad infinitum.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Llpoh
January 7, 2017 8:15 pm

And here I thought stinky was done. His last comment is his most intelligent so far. He could use a bit of work on punctuation and capitalization, but not bad for a 78 IQ.

flash
flash
  Llpoh
January 8, 2017 9:17 am

It matters little were you relocate too, we’re all either debt salves or state chattel now and Australia tops the list of debt automatons.
Loopy- Who’s that knocking on the door honey.
Mrs Loppy – Why it’s those nice boys from PLA, should we invite them in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH-nBcrTwYI

kc
kc
January 7, 2017 8:04 pm

The talk about automated cars scares me to the extent of road conditions. I am sure they are fine in the summer in perfect weather conditions, however, here in the west coast of Canada this winter we are getting hammered with winter…

Some of the roads here are 100% sheets of 2 inch thick ice. I would love to know how these driverless cars are going to perform on them? And on a second thought, would you want to be in one?

Myself, I would rather be in control.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  kc
January 7, 2017 8:18 pm

My kid, an expert in this stuff, says shortly driverless vehicles will be normal, and also says they will be orders of magnitude safer.

For instance, I asked about ice. I was told that computers will evaluate and correct for conditions far more rapidly and accurately than humans ever could.

I dunno. But I am not the expert.

As an example – at cruise, airliners are flown by computer, because they can respond better to wind, turbulence, etc., than humans. You trust them, right? Or you would rather be at the controls yourself?

RiNS
RiNS
  Llpoh
January 7, 2017 11:41 pm

I dont buy it. Sure they react quicker to road conditions. If all the parameters are known. All that drives it is an algorithim. As long as all the variables are known the car stays on roads. Computers are great at guessing. On my drive home tonight it was snowing so bad that it was hard to figure out where the road was. The plow was not over road since storm started. As a result there was no point of reference. There are no shoulders either. If you are offline by anymore than 1 foot you are onto the icy shoulder. Throw in the fact that this smart car doesnt know where the pot holes are buried under 4 to 6 inches of snow and you have all the makings of a nice trip into the woods.

I have been told it is still a free country. I will never drive home on a night like this in a driverless car. My choice. However if there are folks out there that want to put their lives in hands of Silicon Valley then well they can be my guest.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  RiNS
January 8, 2017 12:23 am

I don’t buy it. Sure, self-driving cars react quicker to road conditions if all the parameters are known. All that drives that self-driving car is an algorithm. As long as all the variables are known the car will stay on the road; computers are not great at guessing.
On my drive home tonight it was snowing so bad that it was hard for me to figure out where the road was. The plow had not been used to clear the road since the storm started. As a result, I had no point of reference, there are no shoulders either. If you veer off the outside line more than 1 foot you are onto the icy shoulder.
A smart car won’t know where pot holes are, since they will be buried under 4 to 6 inches of snow. Thus, you have all the makings of a nice trip into the woods.

Chowderhead
Chowderhead
  EL Coyote
January 8, 2017 8:22 am

In the high tax northeast pot holes(canyons) form overnight and will not be repaired for weeks.Those algorithms will have to be unbelievable.

flash
flash
  EL Coyote
January 8, 2017 9:22 am

EC is there some esoteric reason for C&Ping Rob’s last post or another drop in blood sugar event?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  flash
January 8, 2017 3:29 pm

D. none of the above

I struggled with it for a while and, as a public service, reinterpreted it.

Come to think of it, that might be my calling – clarifying hurried comments.

RiNS
RiNS
  EL Coyote
January 8, 2017 4:10 pm

My bad EC

I should have said not guessing. I was hurried and it was late. Maybe I need to make it more clear. When they make a car that will swerve to avoid the potholes in the road, the snowdrifts that are 2 feet high on road then maybe I can be convinced. The plow had only gone down one side of the road. So my car to have any chance to get home had to drive on wrong side of road. We had a foot of snow on my side of the road.

And like Chowder said above some of the potholes around here can be big enough to swallow a Jeep. Siri if tasked with driving a car might be able to keep it on the road but would likely drive a straight line thru every crater on way home.

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Recomputing would occur after hitting somthing like this non? Thanks Siri!

You might make it sure. But the front end of the car would be fooked. Anyways when commercial airliners fly without pilots then I will drive in a car with autopilot.

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 7, 2017 8:37 pm

Poor Stinky. He is trying to do battle of wits, but came unarmed. Best learn the rules of the game before you sit down at the table, Stinky.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
January 7, 2017 10:11 pm

“Free Trade” is an oxymoron. It does not exist. Someone takes, someone gives. The givers reduce their standard of living – that’s N.A.
“Free Trade” is for the multi-nationals who can shift their manufacturing offshore, and bring back goods tariff free, and for much less labor costs.
Even if you get back some manufacturing, your wages are too high to compete in the global marketplace – so your manufacturing dies anyways. Once it’s gone…. that’s it. Like others have already stated…. too many FSA’s sucking the remaining workers wages until the whole thing collapses in on itself. The same thing will happen to China in 50 years time. It’s all part of cycles that are baked into the “Free Trade” cake.
Are you willing to work 14 hour days for $2 USD in a sweat shop? Didn’t think so….
Even if you were – the FSA and government wants more than you would make in a day, anyways.
BTW…. automation is a good thing when mass producing just about everything. (Wasn’t there an article on chicken consumption on here a day ago?) If it weren’t for automation….. so solly…. no chicken nuggets for you today!

Middle-aged Mad Gnome
Middle-aged Mad Gnome
January 8, 2017 5:18 am

Automation vs. jobs debate is a good example of seeing only two options when many more exist. America is a big country with a lot of incredibly ingenious people in it. I’ve seen people make incredibly inventive things, non-automated things. Real things. I’ve seen people do incredibly inventive things that reduce costs by a huge amount. If the U.S. gov’t will do its job of watching out for Americans (I’m specifically speaking in terms of other nations), and get out of the way, (i.e. not encumbering Americans with excessive taxes, regulations, etc.), good things can happen.

Marian
Marian
January 8, 2017 9:52 am

Robots don’t need to, or want to, buy stuff. Guess it will be up to government programs to keep demand up . Except robots won’t pay taxes. Fun times ahead.

flash
flash
January 8, 2017 10:11 am

Sure automation can replace humans in many industries, but the one thing robots can’t replace humans as is consumers. People that have no jobs can’t afford to consume,which is why we’ll be hearing more and more fervent cries for UBI (Universal Basic Income) Soon, all across the globe,all humanity we be equal in poverty. What a brave new world it will be.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
January 8, 2017 10:15 am

Easier to just get rid of excessive population, and there are many ways to do that, which is what we should be discussing.

B Lever (aka Bea)
B Lever (aka Bea)
  flash
January 8, 2017 10:48 am

Flash
I am 100% sure that UBI is the future. What kind of future that will be remains to be seen but it will require that money created out of thin air continues. I have said all along that if money is to be created in that manner, then where is the need for human workers who pay taxes?

The Swiss government tried to get their citizens to embrace a $2,700 per month (per person) handout and the electorate rejected the notion. Something tells me that if that were put on the table here in the USA!USA!USA! folks would mess in their pants to get the ball rolling.

flash
flash
  B Lever (aka Bea)
January 8, 2017 3:24 pm

Yes, it’s coming and I believe the major argument used to sell UBI will be the reduction of a giant bureaucracy administering the myriad of entitlements in place now.
But, whether from thin air or a Rothschild’s butt, how many truly care where money or credit comes from as long as it remains exchangeable for consumable goods. Regardless of valuation, those who create the money will always be able to afford the cost of goods simply by owning the presses. Therefore protection of personal assets for them is of no concern whereas consumer owned assets will continue to be supplanted by debt and eventfully the majority of the global population will be nothign more than renters on a planet totally owned by the money creating class.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 8, 2017 10:14 am

Reading the commentary here makes it abundantly clear that we just plain have too many people, far more than are needed in the new era.

So let’s start being productive and start talking about ways to get rid of most of them, too many people with nothing to do causes problems for those of us that actually have a right to continue living.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
January 8, 2017 10:20 am

Brilliant.

Who do we get rid of first??

How about we start with YOU?

flash
flash
  Anonymous
January 8, 2017 10:30 am
RiNS
RiNS
  flash
January 8, 2017 4:20 pm

Jenny McDermott is one crazy woman.

Stucky
Stucky
January 8, 2017 10:18 am

“As an example – at cruise, airliners are flown by computer, because they can respond better to wind, turbulence, etc., than humans. You trust them, right? Or you would rather be at the controls yourself?” ———– Llpoh

There are few planes in the sky (relative to cars) and they ALL have a flight plan known to all.

Compare that to tens of millions of cars, a hundred million drivers, and billions of variables each and every day. Actually, the variables are unlimited.

I don’t want to trust a driverless car to the same people who can’t keep my fucken computer from crashing every so often, and without warning.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
January 8, 2017 12:16 pm

Stuck – I keep telling you to upgrade that Commodore 64.

The airliner analogy had nothing to do with navigation. It had to do with the physical flying of the aircraft at 700 miles per hour, where the computer is used owing to its ability to do minute corrections.

iconoclast421
iconoclast421
January 8, 2017 10:47 am

Thus far, automation has been an economic benefit. However, with self driving cars combined with ride hailing, I can see there being a huge negative economic impact 10 years from now. I cannot see 17 million SAAR auto sales when so many more people simply wont need to own a vehicle. Another factor that weighs on future auto sales is electric bikes. Have you seen the bikes that are available today? They are frickin awesome.

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They are going to further depress demand for automobile ownership. Combine a decent bike that can take you 30 miles with ubiquitous ride hailing and we could see auto sales cut in half 10 years from now. Auto sales is a huge chunk of our economy. It is difficult to see what replaces that lost GDP. A bike like that is going to be $500 10 years from now. That’s like one car payment. Not much GDP there…

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
January 8, 2017 2:33 pm

(1) Driverless cars will still be hackable – and nuisance viruses and script kiddies will make them unworkable. Killing people for sport will become a thing; tracking down exactly who sent you a virus via the wireless network your car uses to navigate will be impossible.
(2) Just as Wonder Bread still competes with “artisan” bakeries in many cities, people will still want to TALK. They will want a driver to talk to, bitch at, discuss the weather with, and so forth. Maybe carpooling will become an even bigger thing.

llpoh
llpoh
January 8, 2017 4:38 pm

Again, a bit of vision from my kid, who I suspect is just a teeny bit more expert in these matters than those of us who have posted herein:

– Cars sales are going to plummet. No one/very few will own cars. Cars will cruise around, driverless, and go to wherever they are needed. Want or need a ride – punch an ap, and presto, there it is.

– No parking places will be required. The cars will simply find a place to stop on the roadside or wherever when they are not needed. Especially at night, when roads are not in use.

You Luddites need to wake up. The future is going to be filled with unimaginable automation, and it is accelerating faster than I ever could have envisioned.