How Tennessee Could Be About To Start A Constitutional Crisis

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The State Senate of Tennessee has laid the legislative groundwork for something that hasn’t been done in the United States of America since the Constitutional Convention of 1787 in Philadelphia.  With a vote of 27-3, the Tennessee Senate has voted to call a “convention of the states” in order to draft and pass an amendment to the Constitution that would require balanced budgets to be passed every year.

For those who are little fuzzy on their high school U.S. history knowledge, the Tennessean explains that the U.S. Constitution can be amended in two ways.  The first would require a two-thirds majority vote in both chambers of Congress, an unlikely outcome in today’s hyper-partisan political arena.  The second, on the other hand, requires that two-thirds of the states (34 in total) pass a resolution calling for a Constitutional Convention.

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There are two ways to propose amendments to the Constitution. The first and more traditional method is through a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Then the amendment is sent to the state legislatures, where it needs ratification by three-fourths or 38 states in order to become law. Nearly all 27 amendments have followed this path.

 

But the Constitution also provides a second, more populist path to amending the document. If two-thirds or 34 states pass a resolution calling for a Constitutional Convention, delegates from all 50 states will meet to draft an amendment. This is what the Tennessee lawmakers are calling for in their resolution.

Of course, calls for a convention to pass a balanced budget amendment started in the 1970s and have failed each time.  That said, with Republicans now controlling 32 state legislatures, this latest effort initiated by Tennessee seems to have the best chance of succeeding so far. 

And while there have been close calls for Constitutional Conventions before, each time Congress has acted preemptively to stave off the need for a convention. In 1911, for example, 28 states of the required 32 passed a resolution calling for direct election of Senators before Congress intervened and drafted the Seventeenth Amendment instead.

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But, as the Tennessean notes, the problem with amending the Constitution through a convention is that once the convention is convened anything can happen.  For example, the last time the states gathered for a convention in 1787 they ended up tossing out the Articles of Confederation and forming an entirely new government based on the current Constitution.

The last time the states gathered to amend a governing document on the scale the resolution calls for, the delegates threw out America’s first basis of government and replaced it with the Constitutional system used today.

 

“They were supposed to meet to make amendments to the Articles of Confederation but ended up with a whole new form of government,” said Nathan Griffith, an associate professor of political science at Belmont University. “Not just a new constitution, but a whole new form of government.”

If enough states pass a similar resolution, then a planning convention could meet as early as this upcoming July, and by November the first Article V Convention in history could be called by Congress.

Meanwhile, as we noted earlier today, President Trump offered his own warning on America’s national debt this morning saying that “[spending] was out of control,” as officials gathered to discuss the budget, adding that there is “enormous work to do on the national debt.”

There is a “moral duty” to taxpayers, President Trump says at White House budget lunch, “we must do a lot more with less.”

 

“Our budget is absolutely out of control” he added, and in the future “will reflect our priorities.”

 

The hiring freeze for non-essential workers will remain.

 

“We have enormous work to do on the national debt”

 

There will be “no more wasted money, we will spend in a careful way.”

 

Of course, we’re not really sure what all the fuss is about…only $10 trillion has been added to the national debt over the past 8 years, which, when you think about it, is a very manageable $31,000 per man, woman and child.

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And balancing the budget 5 years out of 50 is pretty good, right?

Budget Deficit

 

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Anonymous
Anonymous
February 23, 2017 6:47 am

A Constitutional convention is the end of the United States, the same way the first American government ended back in 1787.

Whatever is given as its purpose, it will be a total overhaul of our Constitution or a complete replacement of it with a new and different one.

What do you suppose the new one will look like, and will its corresponding Bill of Rights section (included in the main body instead of amendments) protect anything other than leftist approved rights?

Will it unify or destroy America as a sovereign and independent single nation?

Your guesses are as good as mine, but I’m guessing it will be a leftists dream come true.

thedudeisnotin
thedudeisnotin
February 23, 2017 7:11 am

Say goodbye to the Bill of Rights if this happens.

James
James
  thedudeisnotin
February 23, 2017 7:42 am

While I agree with some posts on what could happen at a convention I will say no matter what happens to bill of rights nothing will change that as they are natural rights worth fighting and dying for.The bill of rights is just a reaffirmation of natural rights,and thus,no matter what comes of a potential convention will retain and fight for natural rights.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  James
February 23, 2017 8:22 am

Yeah, natural rights.

North Korea, China, Mexico or the United States under the Constitution: Same – same.

Better get realistic before you face the storm troopers that will be enforcing the way you will be allowed to exercise those “natural rights”.

James
James
  Anonymous
February 23, 2017 10:25 am

Anon,realistically,may die but others will avenge,tis OK,would rather be dead(actually,alive throwing wrenches in machine of govt. oppresion and their puppet masters)then live like those do in total dictatorships.I still have the natural(And at moment)legal right to say what I want/buy weapons/leave this country if I choose ect.Tis why am willing to fight for that and good chance die.

On a side note,upvoted you to neutralize negative you had,I don’t agree with ya’s here but that tis the beauty of free speech.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  James
February 23, 2017 11:03 am

The way I see it, and history seems to support it, there is one natural right and only one: The strongest have the natural right to rule the weak.

Period. Even nature demonstrates that, everything from the pecking order of chickens to the dominant male in a heard of betchuwanna beasts that claims the heard as his own and stomps on any challengers till a stronger one comes along.

I see no exceptions in history, the strong rule and the weak are ruled by them with everything the weak have as rights simply being privileges granted to them by the strong for whatever reason they have.

overthecliff
overthecliff
February 23, 2017 9:11 am

What could possibly go wrong?

CCRider
CCRider
February 23, 2017 9:17 am

Any Constitution will depend on a preponderance of honest people for it’s interpretation to hold true to it’s principles. Anyone see evidence of that in this country? In government? The supreme court?

NAIL40
NAIL40
February 23, 2017 9:38 am

It will not be a Constitutional Convention. It will be a Convention of States. It cannot run away and dump the US Constitution as any 13 states can stop any proposed amendment. Please read Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments” to fully understand this process before passing judgment. You will come to realize that this process, given to us by the Framers is our last resort to reign in this massive central government and why they so vehemently oppose it. Any reference made to a runaway Constitutional Convention is misinformed and hyperbole.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  NAIL40
February 23, 2017 10:17 am

Once it convenes, they can -and IMO will- write their own rules allowing them to do anything they want to do.

The Constitution only sets the manner in which it can be called, not the rules under which it will operate.

Even our rather specific Constitution as it stands now is widely ignored when those elected to be a part of government find it stands in the way of what they want to do, why would it be different under a Convention of the States?

The delegates will suddenly become as pure ad the driven snow and totally altruistic or something when they get appointed?

James
James
  Anonymous
February 23, 2017 10:27 am

And WE,the people,will do what we want!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  James
February 23, 2017 11:06 am

As we do now?

James
James
  Anonymous
February 23, 2017 12:34 pm

Anon,was hesitant to admit this but you make it necc.I am working in a home/staying there while working,and today,well,installing a new oven removed tag that stated do not remove till anti tilt foot is installed,I did it any way.I have also been known to spit on the sidewalk/ remove tags from pillows not my own/walk out thru exit doors and walk in thru exit doors ect.Seriously,I am not a man to fuck with!

On a side note,did later install anti-tilt foot on oven.

nkit
nkit
  James
February 23, 2017 2:36 pm

You should probably expect a visit from either the pillow police or the oven police (or both) for those transgressions. Do you realize what the penalty is for removing a pillow tag? It’s probably pretty severe.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  nkit
February 23, 2017 7:43 pm

Actually there is a penalty if you’re selling it in wholesale or retail markets.

It’s an anti fraud thing about what the pillow is made out of to prevent fraudulent claims of material content.

It doesn’t apply to the consumer at all, feel free to remove it if you want.

NAIL40
NAIL40
  Anonymous
February 23, 2017 7:26 pm

Because it will be run by the state legislatures completely bypassing the federal government. Any amendments must be ratified by two thirds of the states to whom the delegates are representing. If they don’t look after the states interests, they can be replaced. Currently about two thirds of state legislatures and governors are republican and are beholden to we the people. They simply can’t do anything they want without state ratification. Oh, and by the way, what have we got to use with the current state of constitutional compliance?

Doug Hoffman
Doug Hoffman
February 23, 2017 9:44 am

If not a Constitutional Convention, with newly appointed representatives ( as opposed to the current level of bought legislators ), then we should just stay with the natural changes that are occurring, i.e.; judicial edict and elitist manipulation….Pres Trump is a breath of fresh air, now we need to force our legislative bodies back into line…I’m all in for the CC!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Doug Hoffman
February 23, 2017 10:22 am

But what, specifically, do you expect t result from it?

Consider the potential, as slight as they may be with our current national unity, of the unintended consequences that might come from it.

flash
flash
February 23, 2017 10:51 am

Simply another ploy by the cucked GOP and the deviant left -Uni Party- to rewrite the Constitution under the guise of balancing the national budget, which no sane person could ever object to . The idea of Constitutional Convention has been floated for years and its not surprising that Tennessee, one of the most cucked GOP controlled governments in the nation would be the force behind making it happen. A Trojan horse , fer’ shure’

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
February 23, 2017 11:15 am

There’s even already written proposals waiting in the wings to be implemented if a Convention is held.

A couple examples: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/concon/newstates.htm, http://usreconstitution.net/table-contents.html

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
February 23, 2017 1:43 pm

It is a bit pointless to worry about what might happen with a Constitutional Convention. The unpleasant fact is that the Constitution is a dead letter and neither party has had any interest in following it for over a century. The politicians don’t follow it, the judges don’t follow it, and the military does not follow it (regardless of what they swear an oath to). If The Powers That Be refuse to follow the Constitution why on earth would a Convention make it any better or any worse? Power will do what Power wishes to do.

I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to list the ways by which Power may be constrained. It ain’t pretty…

Fergus
Fergus
February 23, 2017 6:17 pm

I don’t think anyone here gets the point that our Constution hasn’t been used since 1861. So who cares if such a convention is called, judges will always tell you something you missed that isn’t there in print.

Hollow man
Hollow man
February 23, 2017 7:05 pm

Why worry about changing a document that no one really follows. The courts would find the amendment unconstitutional if they so choose to do brule of law is relative in the country, if that’s what you want to call this place.