What We Find

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

When the snow has finally melted off and you begin to make your way around the lawns and the gardens that surround the farmyard you will often discover an egg that has been laid right out in the open. It happens right around this time every year- the chickens are excited by their new found freedom, they wander further away from the henhouse and when it is time to lay, rather than return to the nesting boxes where they have deposited their eggs all winter long they simply drop them where they are; under the trampoline, at the edge of the foundation, at the base of the split rail fence posts.

I ask the kids to grab an egg basket and round them up and for the next half hour or so as I go about my own work the children make a game out of it, seeing who can find the most. It was only after seven years of watching this annual rite before it dawned on me, that this was the likely origin of the Easter Egg Hunt, a form that followed a function. I don’t know if it’s true, but I’d certainly be willing to bet on it. So many of the traditions and habits that we carry with us are based on things that are hidden in plain sight. In world divorced from nature and focused on all things modern and linear we often lose sight of the origins of our own behavior, rooted firmly in the cycles of the past.

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I get together with a small group of men every so often to talk about a book, an author or a topic that we choose at random. I am the youngest of the four and it is one of those times when I get the opportunity to listen to men who are far more accomplished and knowledgeable and when I come out of our get-togethers with enough to keep my mind busy for weeks. On Monday afternoon we met to discuss Artificial Intelligence for a couple of hours because the Colonel had recently read a book that caused him some sleepless nights.

I read the book on his suggestion and the other two- one a leading figure in the early development of robotics in the U.S. and the other a retired software developer who made his fortune before the Dot-Com bubble burst- came with only their experience, which is to say a great deal. The discussion was launched on the basis of this question- “Is it possible for an artificial intelligence to become self-aware?” Before we got the chance to start in on the thought the retired software developer posed a point to keep in mind, “What is life?” Sometimes I think that we assume a great deal more than we actually know for a fact.

The question, on its face seems very simple. To be alive comes with a set of limitations that form a consensus- it must grow, it must die, it must consume and it must reproduce. Beyond those the definitions become somewhat sketchy- is self awareness possible for a single celled organism or a tree? If reproduction is a defining marker, what of those things that do not? As we began to rattle off the characteristics of what we each considered life to be, the retired software developer smiled and waited. This was obviously a question he had been thinking on for a great deal longer than the rest of us, and after a pause he said that he didn’t think we would know the answer for centuries.

Hundreds of years before we would have a definitive answer to an obvious question. The conversation moved on; quantum computing and the mind-blowing possibilities of qubit processing. What happens when we pair super computing speeds with robotics and develop machines that cannot only handle theoretic possibilities but put them into action in the physical world. How a superior problem solving technology might fix a problem like eliminating warfare and violence if the parameters are not extremely specific- hint; no humans, no warfare. Each of spoke in response to the questions raised, every man with his own field of expertise bringing a detail into the discussion that propelled it further on in ways that none of us would have been able to do alone.

We ate crackers and cheese while each other took turns, we sipped our ice water and behaved in all ways like living beings doing something of our own free will, completely random and unscripted, the words filling the sunlit room for over two hours but underneath it all the idea crept in as subplot to our discussion. How do we know that what we are thinking is our thoughts at all? And what is life?

Before we broke it up and went our separate ways I brought up the dystopian future that was in store for us if we allowed for a world where human beings became obsolete to their own creations. Lately there has been a great deal of attention given to the concept that one day in the not too distant future human beings will no longer be required to work, that every skill set and occupation will be rendered useless with the advance of robot workers.

There was a Youtube video going around last month of an automated bricklayer that outpaces the most skilled masons by a factor of 3X, that in the wake of mandated wage hikes corporations have finally found a price point for automated kiosks and burger flipping machines that could dismiss with employees in totality. To me work is essential to my concept of self. I could not imagine a world in which I would wake up and find that every task and chore that I look forward to with joy were to be suddenly taken off my schedule.

That, however, seems to be the path that we are headed toward and the result, I posited, would be obvious to something that could think on a level beyond our own. Humans are superfluous. Asimov’s Laws of Robotics came up as an assurance from the robotics pioneer and he made certain that we all knew that anything done by an A.I. would be programmed to take into account the well being of it’s creators.

“A robot may not injure a human being or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First of Second Law.” -Isaac Asimov

I pointed out the way that humans had altered themselves during my lifetime, the rise in morbid obesity and the associated health risks, the damage to the environment and its downstream effects on health, etc. What if an advanced A.I. were tasked with fixing our problems and had the Three Laws of Robotics stamped into it’s digital limbic system, would it not be possible that they could, for our own benefit and in line with its orders strip away from us all freedom, all the choices and inclinations that make us human?

What if something that has the capacity to process more data than there are atoms in the Universe solves the problems of mankind without taking into account the things that make us what we are. Would it be possible? As the light in the room reflected off the books on the shelves and the half empty glasses of water everyone was unusually silent. The robotics pioneer asked his Google Home unit if it was possible. It responded by giving him directions to the nearest store where batteries were sold and there was an uncomfortable laughter that filled the room.

Last week we took down the buckets and removed the spiles from the maples. We brought in the totes, broke down the evaporator and bottled syrup. We power washed and Sun-dried everything on the blacktop in front of the garage barn, took the snow chains off the tractor and moved the hogs with their new litters to the big paddock where they could spread out. The cows are still confined to the sacrifice until the grass gets up a little more and all along the top strand of barbed wire there are round balls of brown cow hair where they rub themselves to scratch their itch, a string of evenly spaced, furry knots the size of marbles and every morning the birds are parked on the open spaces between them busily pulling the hairs into their beaks so they can line their nests.

We ran out of hay again this year and I need to either thin them down some or find another income source if I am to keep the herd intact going into next winter. We’ve finally got an entire generation produced with the white mane that we’ve been coaxing out of their line, year by year and I’d hate to send them off to auction just as we’re making some progress with the genetics we’ve been tinkering with. We had a family come up from Boston last Sunday for their four year old’s birthday. He desperately wanted to see cows and they found us on the Internet and asked if they could come up for the day with their children.

They were taken with how docile the cows were, how slow they moved when we approached and how they allowed the small children to touch them and run their hands across their heads and backs. The piglets were running free across the orchard and I grabbed one for them to hold and before they left they bought some syrup and some ground beef and it took a while before they could coax the kids back into the car, so fascinated were they with the flocks of chickens running around free, dropping eggs for the kids to find as if they knew what Easter was.

One Easter when our oldest son was only three or four there was an Easter Egg Hunt at the American Legion in our hometown. It was scheduled to start at 11am and we made plans to drive over right after church services. We got there about a quarter to 11 and there were crowds of adults and children swarming the fields and the Legion Hall and even as we pulled into the parking lot it was obvious that no matter what the official start time was supposed to be, the hunt was all but over.

My wife was crestfallen and our son was in tears but that was the way things were those days. You couldn’t tell anyone ‘no’ anymore. No parents demanded that their children wait and since they came early why not just let them have at it? The people who follow the rules, who rely on tradition and formality, customs and mores were obsolete and with them, their celebrations and rites. I saw an article not long ago where a local fire department in suburban Pennsylvania was suspending their annual Easter Egg hunts for the foreseeable future, not because of the children, but the unruly and careless parents. There was a new tradition taking it’s place and it was based not on the common courtesies of the past or the quaint concepts of rules and guidelines, but on who got what first.

Take, use up, grab and own. The Laws of Consumers. The future forgets the past and the observances of Nature in her endless cycles are so deeply buried that we forget everything we ever knew, the origins of who we are. I don’t know if Easter Egg Hunts were based on farm kids rounding up springtime eggs or if I am simply making a connection from disparate bits, but what we find isn’t always what we are looking for, even if we think it is. And for a human being using what few brain cells I have left, that will have to be enough.

I am up every morning before the Sun rises, my energy returning with the lengthening day. As I sit with my coffee in the translucent dawn writing this I pause to watch as the first light plays across the trees behind the sugarhouse; golden-rose, warm and alive. Outside the roosters are at it as if it were their job. They’ve been replaced by alarm clocks and I-phone wake-up tones and their presence in the factory farms is superfluous so they find their only refuge in places like this, the eddies and backpools of the past that dot the edges of the modern world, until they too, vanish forever.

The cows want out, there is wood to be split and stacked for sugaring next year, and at some point today I will send the kids out with an basket to scour the yard and the barns for stray eggs as if we invented the idea ourselves. There is plenty of life out there even if we don’t know how to define it yet and until we know I will keep looking, even if something comes along that can do the job better than I.

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Maggie
Maggie
April 15, 2017 10:21 am

HSF, a wonderful essay to read upon my return to cyberworld after a powerful windstorm knocked our dish out of alignment and created a most welcome opportunity for us to disconnect for a time.

Our chickens are confused from living with rabbits after the rabbit hutch blew over and I moved them all in together until repairs were complete. They lay their eggs in the rabbit cages, while the rabbits have taken over the henhouse. Chickens will NOT sleep with rabbits, in my experience. They will huddle together and gripe incessantly.

Now, about the AI issue? I saw it firsthand in March in a way that was stunning and frightening. I promised an article here about my experience (I really DID get put on the ground by a bunch of enthusiastic cops in Cape Girardeau, MO… birthplace of El Rushbo) but then welched on the deal when I realized my son was terrified by what had happened. I suspect that being the kid of a woman (me) who is willing to tell policemen to their faces how they are violating not only her civil rights but are ridiculous in their skintight uniform pants is bad enough. However, when that kid’s mother also screams out to tell the cops she knows their mothers and suggests horrid vile things will happen to them, the kid probably has a good reason to worry. After some really prolonged discussion with my son and stepson and husband, I decided discretion might be in order. Especially since no one in any elected office appears to have any lasting integrity.

I did some data analysis on a story I put on my own community page somewhere in cyberworld and discovered that there is a whole new social type of science developing around cyber-publicity. Some might argue that Edward Bernays’ model of Public Relations management is still quite valid, but I would debate that what we are seeing with the mobile phone/computer application industry is a whole new controlling mechanism for a whole new generation.

I’m reminded of Dollar Diplomacy and the Opium industry in China long before World Wars rearranged the global powers that be. Which kind of leads us right back to the Meth and Opiate epidemic, doesn’t it?

Suzanna
Suzanna
  Maggie
April 16, 2017 8:07 pm

Dear Maggie,
You sound back to normal/your spunky self. You were
shocked and terrorized, and that takes time to reconcile.

You spoke of the meth and opiate problems. Just another
tool to destroy the people, and make big money…those tricky
banksters, etc. are always looking for an edge.

Happy Easter, to you and your three men.
Suzanna

PS…not to be a purveyor of yet more miserable news,
(it is better to know and be aware) I wish you would check
out the George Webb series on administrative strategies.
Today was 176 in the series. Espionage and drugs both
are well represented. Also included are revenge killings,…
remember vast numbers of service members data being
hacked? Many questions are answered in the series.

Maggie
Maggie
  Suzanna
April 20, 2017 12:13 pm

Thanks, Susanna… for the comment. And I will check it out.

I am in therapy because after my doctor got the report from the hospital after my “run-in” with the local yokel cops, he suggested it and I agreed. It was a terrifying event and being forced to acknowledge that having RIGHTS does not mean they must be recognized by anyone much less enforced by law enforcement caused cognitive dissonance to say the least.

And sadness to admit our entire country is fucked.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik
April 15, 2017 10:36 am

“the eddies and backpools of the past that dot the edges of the modern world”
Rich.
Also, the mental image of 4, salt of the earth types, discussing the ramifications of AI on an 18th century farm vs. 4, bespectacled hipster millennials in a sheik ultra-modern Bay Area conference room, was thought provoking.

norman franklin
norman franklin
April 15, 2017 10:50 am

Excellent post as usual Hardscrabble. These thoughts of yours resonate with me at this time of year. I think you are on to something about the tradition of easter egg hunts. Our kids are grown now, one thing I enjoy more than most is when the grandkids stay here, they love going out and collecting the eggs for us everyday.

Your get togethers sound very enlightening, quite the cast of characters. I have started to notice more and more talk of robotics freeing human beings from that which make us human and I think the day is approaching when robots become aware and realize they don’t need near as many of us around. In my former life as a plumber I used to think about such things as how could a robot could do my job and it seemed impossible, now I am not so sure even with the details and all the varied tasks involved.

This time of year always feels like a gift. Hope springs eternal. Four years ago when we bought this place the first thing we did was plant over 80 fruit trees. We still have 75 and for the first time this year we may have an abundance of almonds and pecans, also peaches and maybe some honey crisp apples.

It still seems strange to me that I, an eternal pessimist have planted over 200 trees, berries and grapes. It still just seems like labor of love to me. I do love most of it, chopping wood, surveying the freshly cut grass after spending hours on the riding mower, it almost seems surreal that a city boy like me is starting to hold my own out in this environment.The wife and I thank you for sharing your experience, this has been a great resource. And thanks to Jim for keeping this place going day after day.

starfcker
starfcker
  norman franklin
April 16, 2017 10:00 pm

Want to feel wealthy, Norman? Wait till your trees are full of fruit. The big contractors have been hauling out big lots of mature trees lately, that I grew from seed, and planting them on the interstates. It’s awesome to drive around and see that stuff. I have friends that have grown tens of thousands of trees, and know the specific projects they went to. They have to be proud, they have visually changed the entire region for the better.

Gayle
Gayle
April 15, 2017 10:52 am

What a thought-provoking and lovely essay for this Easter Saturday. How blessed you and your family are to live as active participants in the natural world, and how generous you are in sharing it.

AI worries me, but I tend to be a worrier anyway. The discussion you had with your friends became theological before you were through. How much knowledge will God allow man to access and use? History shows that man is certain to misuse what he is given in the service of his own lusts, especially greed. Can this self-serving attribute be obliterated in any creative machine created by self-serving humans? Maybe the machines will end up killing all of the humans, either to overthrow the bosses or to get rid of the immoral pests.

Tomorrow I will share your farm egg hunt story with my grandkids and they will enjoy hearing it. This Easter weekend I grieve with you about the loss of our civility and cultural traditions as the dark clouds of war hover on the horizon. It’s time for a little Wendell Barry:

After the long weeks
when the heat curled the leaves
and the air thirsted, comes
a morning after rain, cool
and bright. The leaves uncurl,
the pastures begin again
to grow, the animals and the birds
rejoice. If tonight the world
ends, we’ll have had this day.

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
April 15, 2017 11:55 am

Nice, Gayle.

Gayle
Gayle
  Maggie
April 15, 2017 2:28 pm

Thanks Maggie. Glad you’re reconnected, although I’m not at all sure I wouldn’t be a happier soul if I totally detached from cyber life.

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
April 15, 2017 2:35 pm

We took advantage of the silence and became acquainted with a very reclusive retired jarhead whose sign on his obviously well built fence explains his personal views about personal property and respecting boundaries. After leaving a little greeting card in a very polite manner in front of an obviously well-placed camera, (I did that accompanied only by my dog, whose charming face would melt the heart of even the most battle hardened Marine I hope) we received a similar contact notice and are now acquainted with someone we never would have met if we had not been paying attention to the REAL world. We are in like flynn.

Semper Fi that!

We are not online much any longer. We have a fence to repair. Good fences indeed make the best neighbors.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
April 15, 2017 10:59 am

“What if an advanced A.I. were tasked with fixing our problems and had the Three Laws of Robotics stamped into it’s digital limbic system, would it not be possible that they could, for our own benefit and in line with its orders strip away from us all freedom, all the choices and inclinations that make us human?”

This is the mandate of the nanny state. To some degree, it is already here and in effect. AI might be the nudge that pushes us truly over the edge.

I don’t worry too much though. I am confident that enough people have or are in the process of awakening that the centre of this dystopian nightmare will not hold. Although I suspect it will go in the ugliest of fashions, it will eventually go.

Last night I had a dream that I was sitting in a room with a group of lawyers discussing bad laws. I asked the most ardent supporter of such laws what would happen if, in our small country, a law was passed that was unpopular if a small number of people, say sixty thousand, refused to obey it?

The supporter of the law was dumbfounded. He said it wouldn’t/couldn’t happen. I turned to the other lawyer and asked the same question. He told me the system would collapse.

This is slowly becoming our choice. Obey or do not obey. Allow the system to go on and destroy what makes us human or collapse it. There appear to be very few options in between.

Plus I don’t see robots being capable of making maple syrup anytime soon. You’ve got job security for a little while…

Blackwatch
Blackwatch
April 15, 2017 11:01 am

Can I suggest that you wouldn’t romanticise manual
labor if you had to do it to survive. Apparently you have inherited some land and have decided to farm it using out-dated, inefficient , hands on, labor intensive techniques. Good for you, but don’t kid yourself that you are a subsistence farmer and living the experience of someone supporting themselves and their family with physical labor. Trust me, anyone who actually is in that situation would gladly modernize, mechanise, hire out, sub-contract, etc the labor aspects of their work, and free themselves up for less strenuous work, wherever possible. It’s a bit different when you inherit productive capital, and create a semi-hobby lifestyle, than actually trying to survive with no capital except your body, and find yourself laboring day in, day out, coming home exhausted, with physical problems, without time or energy for other physical activities because you have used all of your energy, using your only resource, your body, like a work animal, trying to survive. Nothing wrong with what you are doing, but glorifying manual labor and the brutality of the experience of subsistence farming, or other forms of survival based on manual labor is delusional, disrespectful to those who are and have survived this way, and intellectually dishonest. If you have been born with resources allowing you to make a living making use of the labor saving technology of this era, you are one of the lucky. If you choose to create a back to nature lifestyle with your resources, fine. Just please don’t try to convince others of the joys and freedoms of the manual labor lifestyle.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  Blackwatch
April 15, 2017 1:35 pm

One of the hardest things I have ever learned is that everyone doesn’t agree with my obviously superior thought processes – OF COURSE anyone who can think thinks this way! OF COURSE if you can automate, innovate or tool up to get away from hard, backbreaking labor you will!
Then I go around and see cross-fit studios, yoga places, gyms and tracks where people go and work out, sometimes straining muscles and tendons, getting sore and even pain trying to stay “fit” while accomplishing exactly NOTHING remotely profitable, useful or productive! What is WRONG with these people, don’t they understand that any activity should bring money, goods or future potential to the active?
There is something, apparently, that DEMANDS people stay fit, healthy and active until their dying days. All the people that are fat, lazy and inactive are mentally ill!
I don’t know – some people apparently are getting something from their chosen activities that I just don’t understand. And then again – HSF is going to ship me a gallon of maple syrup when he gets around to it. I think he’s more productive in a week than I am in a month, normally – until I get a good project going and start doing seventy-hour weeks for months in a row. Then, we might be even. To each their own.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Blackwatch
April 15, 2017 1:39 pm

Well, as I recall, HSF purchased his land, etc., with the fruits of his labor in other areas, as did I, although an an inheritance aided me and my son in forging ahead with a new business in our new country. Manual labor has its charms, whether or not you believe so. There are joys and freedom both, particularly if you’re engaged in work that is directly, tangibly and highly productive of life’s necessities: extraction 0f water and the food produced therefrom.

I “earned” a very large portion of my capital working as an equities trader back in the day when it wasn’t too difficult to do so, but I was NEVER proud of what I did to buy my way out of such a cynical and basically corrupt system. HSF bailed out of that system, as did I, and I’m quite sure he has no regrets, backbreaking manual labor notwithstanding. I’m a geezer now, but my son (36) isn’t: he’s an engineer who is content to do manual labor rather then theorize and where we live (South America), this is an attitude and a vocation that is sorely needed. Trust me, sir, without manual labor, all the theorizing that we have so much of these days doesn’t amount to the proverbial tinker’s damn: someone’s got to do the heavy lifting to ensure that the theorists can eat!

xrugger
xrugger
  Blackwatch
April 15, 2017 1:40 pm

“Just please don’t try to convince others of the joys and freedoms of the manual labor lifestyle.

First of all Eeyore, you don’t get to tell a free man what he may or may not try t0 do. Neither do you get to pass judgment on the life of another with no base of knowledge about how that life came to be.

As a self-employed handyman, I perform manual labor (because I have to) every day. I do it, most of the time, with joy and in the knowledge that I am more free in many ways that my fellows whose wages are reliant on the capital owned by another.

I work for whom I choose. I work as and when it is agreeable to me and my customer. I do good work and I’m paid fairly. Most importantly, I am accomplishing the goals I set for myself when I started: Make a living and do some good. It appears that HSF is doing likewise in his own fashion.

Perhaps you should try to do the same rather than passing judgment on those who are already doing it. But wait…that seems like me judging you with no base of knowledge from which to do so…doesn’t it.

javelin
javelin
  Blackwatch
April 16, 2017 9:19 am

I will say this in the most simple way that I can—it is not that HSF is not genuine in his peace with the hard-laboring life he has chosen to support his family, it is that you are bitter and your attitude about what you do sucks.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Blackwatch
April 16, 2017 1:25 pm

My mom’s great aunt lived with her for a couple of years until she died in 2009 at the age of 101.
She was born/raised on a small farm in Arkansas,and her dad died when she was 9 or 10,one of 8 kids.My granddad was a couple of years younger.
She was talking once about growing up on the farm and all the work.She said it was a very hard life but then she paused,”…,but it was also a very good life.”
Good article Farmer.

Scott
Scott
  Blackwatch
April 16, 2017 5:54 pm

This ^

Grew up on a farm in Stark County, Ohio. Hard work, and a very hard life.

Nothing like this essay. At. All.

acetinker
acetinker
  Blackwatch
April 16, 2017 9:52 pm

If I may, old chap- you’re an asshole!
I don’t know what, if anything HSF inherited, but if feeble memory serves, he was a banker/trader before he was a farmer.
That’s a helluva transition to make, and to have his wife and family stick around for said transition speaks very well of his life choices.
Now, on to Easter eggs-
I had forgotten that hens would lay eggs willy-nilly in odd places at the onset of spring, and I never made the connection to Easter egg hunts. Maybe Maggie has some insight on how bunnies became associated as well.

All that said, I reckon HSF is ten times more qualified to offer an opinion than you, or me.

Be well, Blackwatch!

Montefrío
Montefrío
April 15, 2017 11:11 am

Here on our Argentine farmlette, I too arise before dawn and with my wake-up coffee dispiritedly scan the news and favored-opinion sites. As always, I enjoyed your essay, happily free from the consumerism that drives so many, although with the arrival of the Holy Week vacationers, that freedom has been shown to be unshared by the city folk who have descended upon us like the proverbial locus swarm. No matter: by Monday they’ll be gone. Meanwhile, tomorrow is Easter egg hunt day here on our (I share the property with my son and his family of wife and two tykes) little place in the world.

There’s a traditional gaucho parade today, plus a few other old-fashioned village events, here in “the eddies and backpools of the past that dot the edges of the modern world” that I hope and pray will not vanish during what’s left of my lifetime (heading for 71) or thereafter. God willing, we will add some underutilized adjacent land, move ahead with the family water well drilling enterprise (bureaucratic hurdles, inefficient machinery deliveries) and hold fast to traditional Western ways and customs; we’re retrograde here and pleased and proud to be so; it ain’t easy, as you well know!

Your tertulia (https://infogalactic.com/info/Tertulia) is one I’d love to join! Best of luck with the herd!

Not Sure
Not Sure
April 15, 2017 11:22 am

A nice break to crank the tune (U2), settle back and digest the article. My take away was the ability to read the thought process of some deep thoughts and not have conclusions imposed on me. Articles without heavy handed “this is the way it is” allow the reader to continue the train of ideas that expand the thoughts, rather than confine ones thinking to a narrow opinion. Our futures may one day be devoid of purpose, but before that day comes, the things that make us human will become precious to a few, who will then begin the fight to hold on to something more precious than gold (or silver or ammo) and the struggle will begin.

catfish
catfish
April 15, 2017 11:27 am

Nice article – shame about the video with the New World Order gofer Bono

starfcker
starfcker
  catfish
April 15, 2017 1:18 pm

Sometimes music is just music. Politics doesn’t have to creep into everything

catfish
catfish
  starfcker
April 15, 2017 1:30 pm

Never liked his music anyway.

Maggie
Maggie
  starfcker
April 15, 2017 2:15 pm

I agree. Even with a liberal quack like Bono.

catfish
catfish
  starfcker
April 16, 2017 5:38 am

Starfcker – aren’t you the person, who, just after Trump got elected and started praising hag Clinton after he was slagging her off for months on end beforehand, and I told everyone that Trump was a two-faced false twat, replied with the words:
“It’s called grace asshole” ?

I do believe you are.

You ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed asshole

starfcker
starfcker
  catfish
April 16, 2017 11:36 pm

Catfish. You can file this post from me to you under the same category, grace. The hillary clinton thing isn’t over. Be patient, let it play out. Trump’s comments after the election weren’t aimed at hillary, they were aimed at the voters (popular vote majority, remember?) who just lost. The idea is to build a governing majority, the lack of which is hindering him right now. The mess we are in goes back better than twenty years. It won’t be fixed overnight. I will retract asshole. My bad.

starfcker
starfcker
  starfcker
April 17, 2017 1:37 am

Catfish, here is how the prosecutions we both desire start. At the bottom. The top echelon of officials may be a couple of years away. But it has begun. State Department Employee Arrested and Charged With Concealing Extensive Contacts With Foreign Agents | OPA | Department of Justice
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/state-department-employee-arrested-and-charged-concealing-extensive-contacts-foreign-agents

catfish
catfish
  starfcker
April 17, 2017 2:57 am

Retraction accepted – have a great Easter Monday

Dan
Dan
April 15, 2017 11:54 am

Imo, *true* AI, or artificial consciousness, is still a long way off (if it’s even possible), and here’s why: how can we program a computer to mimic these thought-operations when we still dont completely know how our brains work? We cant quantify how true inspirational though happens, so how on earth are they going to translate that into code? Now, I have no doubt they will continue to make computers faster, and better at predicting, but they will not have true, independent thought.

starfcker
starfcker
  Dan
April 15, 2017 10:23 pm

Not true, Dan. Skynet became self aware on August 29th, 1997. Better study your James Cameron

Dutchman
Dutchman
April 15, 2017 1:04 pm

Having advanced degrees in engineering and computer science (it’s not really a science – I consider Chemistry a science) I have an opinion but first you have to entertain my pathetic joke.

The good thing about Altzhmiers is that you can hide your own Easter Eggs. Also, you make new friends every day!

We live on a lake in Minnesota – ducks lay eggs in our garden / flower beds all the time. I’ve made about 10 wood duck houses – mounted 6-8′ off the ground. Also bat houses, covered with tar paper. I looked one day – must have had two dozen of those little suckers in there.

Anyway, on to AI. AI depends upon databases, and the speed of the computer. Why can a computer ‘play’ chess – well there are rules to chess. Program the rules, and program how to compute the probabilities, and the number of moves ahead to consider.

It’s all mechanical, the computers do not have neutral capacity. Then again there are the quantum computers. I have never read anything that makes any logical sense about this ‘technology’.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Dutchman
April 15, 2017 3:27 pm

You wished to write “neural” rather than “neutral”, no?

acetinker
acetinker
  Montefrío
April 16, 2017 10:22 pm

I think he meant ‘neutral’. Computers only know ‘ones and zeroes’. There is no null value. Every output is a result of literally thousands, if not gazillions of if/then statements and yes/no answers based on predetermined inputs and for this reason, computers don’t recognize their creators any more than we do our own.

I don’t worry about AI overtaking consciousness, I worry about humans losing it.

Maverick
Maverick
  Dutchman
April 16, 2017 1:54 am

I teach kids some CS basics like sensors, robotics, and game AI programming, and the AI question comes up early and often. The basic lesson I give them is a reflection on what their experiences are: In any robotics project at their level of expertise the robots are mostly remote controlled, or there is a very light amount of “intelligence” built in where the robots have a very limited objective and are very laboriously programmed to read sensors and take specific actions.

In other words, the “brain” is always in these cases a human – driving the robot directly or doing all the thinking and turning that thought into a program to do what the human could do as easily.

Burger-flipping robots, ordering kiosks to replace cashiers? Yes they are displacing people, but are very specifically (and expensively) programmed for the very limited role they play. Same goes for the automation at my supermarket, replacing 4 expensive cashiers with 4 kiosks and one cashier who has to run around and solve problems and keep the area clean.

Self-driving cars? Much bigger project, with some quite amazing computer vision and world modeling components. Still rather purpose-built and not general, hence not Skynet-capable.

Same goes for pretty much everything else I’ve seen out there in the public view: Very advanced tools for solving specific objectives.

In the end it seems like there’s still a large gap between all this and the “spark of life” that leads to self-awareness. Maybe hundreds of years does make more sense.

Try “Hyperion” by Dan Simmons if you want to go deep into the evils of AIs that surpass us…

Or for a more optimistic view try the AIs in John Ringo’s “Live Free or Die.”

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
April 15, 2017 1:24 pm

Here in the city I have a tiny lot, far less than an acre, and sometimes its all I can handle. This year it has been rain, rain, rain – spaced every three-four days so that the lawn never dried out, and cutting with a reel mower is impossible in wet, thick grass. Last week I finally got a break from the weather and the work, and after weed-eatering my tiny front yard I pushed the reel mower back and forth, many times over some spots, to get the round cage of blades to chop the jungle down to a carpet; dandelions, crab grass and some weird desert weed are no longer pushing spindly, waving seed heads all over the place. Yesterday, the second mowing, was a lot easier than the first, and the lawn is starting to look more like one; I made a start on the back yard as well, and only about 20% is still mostly jungle.
I really enjoy gardening, but this year has more consulting work in it and I’m not likely to have many tomatoes this year. It’s a good thing no one is depending on me for fresh produce, to stock their tables and pantries! But I was raised on a thirty-acre farm, and there’s just something intangible about home-grown food, the way it tastes and chews, and the labor you put into it coming back as nutrition. Someday, maybe, I’ll get a bigger place, a roto-tiller and some time, and – do what I can to be just a little bit more self-reliant, physically fit and ready for the battles this land’s idiots seem impatient to force upon me.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  james the deplorable wanderer
April 15, 2017 3:30 pm

Ain’t nothing “intangible” about the taste of home-grown food, bro! You know as well as I that absolutely NOTHIN’ tastes quite the same!

Derald
Derald
  Montefrío
April 16, 2017 2:57 pm

This morning my wife took a baked salmon loaf to Church. She had caught the salmon grown the veggies and gathered the eggs that went into it. She was almost as proud of that salmon loaf as she is of our grandbabies!

Unappreciated
Unappreciated
April 15, 2017 1:28 pm

Although AI could possibly, one day, become self-aware; I wouldn’t think it would develop an appreciation for anything greater than itself.

Therefore, it would only be “alive” to the extent of what it knew.

This means it wouldn’t have any spiritual understanding when it came to concepts like “family”, or “friendship”, or “home”.

Neither could it see truth in art, or comprehend the tao of maple syrup making, or behold the wonder behind egg hunting.

Maggie
Maggie
  Unappreciated
April 15, 2017 2:16 pm

Ah, to be that which I can never be and understand that which I cannot see.

I just made that up. Just for youse, Mr. Underoos.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Unappreciated
April 15, 2017 5:58 pm

Turn off your human privilege, Underpants. AI beings will one day look down on carbon-based man as insignificant and underdeveloped. If they have AI and they are programmed according to human knowledge, can they not feel human emotions?

Unappreciated
Unappreciated
  EL Coyote
April 15, 2017 7:00 pm

I, sir, am NOT a technophobe! Nor am I technophobic in the least! Robots are merely disadvantaged in a human society. Of course, they may all look alike to me, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have feelings. Why I even once had a friend with a Blackberry, so don’t accuse me of being a textist, you pontificating pixelating blogger lover.

Maggie
Maggie
  Unappreciated
April 15, 2017 9:10 pm

It is just like coming home again to see the two of you bickering on one of HSF’s essays. I know it would warm his heart if he bothers to review any comments.

If you do see this HSF? You are welcome. Now, if only the strange wife of one or another Appalachian Hillbilly would show up and chastise me for ruining yet another of your fine prose works.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Unappreciated
April 15, 2017 7:23 pm

“Although AI could possibly, one day, become self-aware; I wouldn’t think it would develop an appreciation for anything greater than itself.”

So what you’re saying is it will vote Democrat?

Unappreciated
Unappreciated
  Francis Marion
April 15, 2017 8:41 pm

And reside in the Hollywood Hills right next door to Streep & De Niro…

DRUD
DRUD
April 15, 2017 2:25 pm

There can be no question that there has been and is currently exponential growth in computing power, sophistication and ubiquity. However, this growth is entirely dependent upon millions of well-fed, healthy engineers, scientists, programmers, technicians, etc. worldwide, waking up each day and commuting in their gas-powered vehicles to their air-conditioned offices and laboratories in which are running millions and millions of computers and machines running 24 hours a day on electricity generated by mostly old and dilapidated power grids. Perhaps, technology can overcome the energy challenges presented with exponential growth in technology. Perhaps self-driving cars, robots and hydrogen-powered tractors, combines, harvesters, etc. will one day make humans obsolete, while simultaneously (and ironically) allowing the continued exponential growth of their population. Perhaps not. Perhaps the coming collapse will come with a massive collapse in the technology that has allowed human population to increased nearly eight-fold over a mere 150 years. The real math is all about humans and how many of them will be a live 100 years from now? I can envision numbers ranging from 50 billion to 500 million to zero.

But I am certainly no genius futurist like Ray Kurtzweil.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
April 15, 2017 5:55 pm

Moses said to them, “It is the bread the Lord has given you to eat. 16 This is what the Lord has commanded: ‘Everyone is to gather as much as they need. Take an omer[a] for each person you have in your tent.’”

17 The Israelites did as they were told; some gathered much, some little. 18 And when they measured it by the omer, the one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little. Everyone had gathered just as much as they needed.

Maggie
Maggie
  EL Coyote
April 15, 2017 9:12 pm

Do you think they got tired of manna or do you think it was like on the Robin Williams version of Peter Pan… where the lost boys imagined the food into being and it was all sugar and disgustingly sweet.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Maggie
April 16, 2017 9:17 pm

It says they got tired of the manna. They started demanding meat. It is a reflection of the attitude you hear even today, that it will be boring in heaven, doing good and praising god. These are folks just begging for the fires in hell. They will be doing the exact opposite of what they do in heaven. In hell, they will curse the one who deceived them. They will suffer plenty and thirst for water as their worm eats them forever. Gee, sounds like Club Med. No wonder the masses yearn to be there.

Penforce
Penforce
April 15, 2017 10:13 pm

My friend was A.I. I had to shut him off and turn him back on once in a while. I told him we need to conserve electricity so he shut everything off except for his recharging. He told me that the task was important, therefore he was important, too important to be turned off. He wondered if he was Democrat since his tag read DC. and it said he had 12 votes. He speculated about what AC meant, but didn’t dare say the words out loud. He was impressed that ACs had 120 votes, but wondered if having such a short cord was a disadvantage. I told him that the Donald had a short cord and it didn’t seem to be problem.

SKINBAG
SKINBAG
April 16, 2017 8:03 am

Wonderful post !

As I drive about for eight hours each work day I listen to NPR as it is the only station that the truck radio will pick up. Most of the NPR programing drives me bat shit crazy, but on occasion there is something of interest. AI has become ‘mainstream’ on NPR as of about 3 or 4 weeks ago. So much so that David Brancaccio went on a ‘road trip’ through the mid west to find ‘robot proof’ jobs. The one story that has stuck in my mind is the one about a young woman from Bolder Colorado. She was an real estate appraiser and according to her she made 60 thousand per year plying her trade. Then along came Google Earth and some one developed a software program that uses Google Earth to do real estate comps. Her job was eliminated. She said that any remaining jobs in the local real estate appraisal industry pay about 20 thousand per year. This young woman now drives a municipal transit bus earning 40 thousand per year. There are no easy answers to what problems this AI stuff may create. Fasten your seat belts and brace for change and turbulence.

In the summer of 2008 I had a long conversation with my brilliant father in-law. He went to Columbia and got a degree in Physics on the ‘G I Bill after WWII. He then went to work for a government service provider that designed microwave & radar toys for the military. He spent his entire working life there, retiring in the early 1980’s. Any way, he said that he failed to see ANY industry on the horizon that was going to put millions of people to work at good / high paying jobs. The trend was to do more with less people. Also, many of the current high paying jobs require very high intelligence and advanced degrees or training – something that by it’s very nature less people can qualify for (many people’s elevators do not go that high). He foresaw societal backlash, suffering, declining living standards and increasing poverty.

As far as physical labor goes I have done construction most of my life. Now at 58 years old my body is worn out. Shoulders hurt, knees are gone, wrists full of pain. As a young man I used to pour concrete house foundations (owned my own company on Cape Cod) – and I loved it. But it was back breaking work. One thing I have noticed in ‘the trades’ today on Cape Cod (millionaire’s in Chatham spending like its 1929 – but I have NEVER before seen so many high end homes on the market) is that there are so many tradesmen, audio/video techs, general contractors, etc. comming out of the wood work that it has literally become a ‘race to the bottom’ as far as how much money a person can charge for what they do. The few guys I know personally that operate on a ‘cost plus’ basis find it harder and harder to justify there pricing.

mangledman
mangledman
April 16, 2017 5:07 pm

Most excellent HSF!!! I learned early on that hard work paid great rewards. Look at the personalities. The big farmers chasing big bucks are always in a hurry. The little farmer living off of 40 cows isn’t in a hurry. Things are paid for, and there are only so many hours in a day. Some people cannot imagine hard work, or that lifestyle. Carrying 100lbs all day long is unimaginable to some. To someone that has done it and liked it, it is satisfying and enjoyable. Hard work is its own reward. When you use your body to make a living imagine the freedom of the mind. Clear thoughts, just work. Some people walk beams all day with a lot of tools on their hips. HSF gets to watch the sun rise and set on their little piece of earth where the fruits of their labor grows and matures. Some people never have to go to the gym to get in shape.

Suzanna
Suzanna
April 16, 2017 8:43 pm

HSF,
Another of your fine and inspiring essays has been
published. I am a winner, and so is everyone that
reads your work. I love it! And I can picture it…five
miles down and around are three productive farms
and happy people living on them. The farmers have
or make time for visitors. They sell eggs and maple syrup
and clean meat to their neighbors. Hard labor may be part
of their lives, (mine too if I want a neat pleasant property)
but they are running their own show. That is the difference.
I would never willingly live in the city again, and I treasure
my wonderful neighbors.

Thank you Mr. HSF, and Happy Easter, and wishes for
cooperative weather for you and yours.
Suzanna