We Need to Admit the Government Story About 9/11 is Bullshit

Guest Post by Michael Krieger

Unless we come to terms with 9/11 and the obvious fact that the official government story is a ridiculous fairytale, it’ll be hard for our nation to move forward in an intelligent, courageous and ethical manner. Many of the most destructive trends which have defined our post September 11, 2001 environment, such as a loss of civill liberties and endless barbaric wars of aggression abroad, have been directly related to our false understanding of that awful terrorist attack. As I’ve always maintained, I have no idea what really went down on that day, I just know that the U.S. government and its intelligence agencies are not being honest.

Although it’s been a long time coming, we’re finally uncovering some kernels of truth about the attack and the role Saudi Arabia played in carrying them out. Much of this progress has been driven by family members of those who died, some of whom are suing the Saudis for their role in that despicable slaughter of civilians.

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I’ve written about these lawsuits on several occasions, but here’s an updated summary from Common Dreams, published two days ago:

As our summer draws to a close and ushers in a cool and rainy September, there is a solemn chill in the air marking the approaching anniversary of the infamous attacks on the World Trade Center that took place September 11th, 2001 – nearly sixteen years ago. The memories are still fresh for the survivors and the family members of victims who are to this day living with their losses while continuing to fight for accountability through both the military court in Guantanamo, where individuals involved in the attacks have been tried or are still facing painstakingly slow trials. This upcoming sixteenth anniversary of 9/11 will be the first time since the attacks that the families now have another legal recourse for seeking accountability not only from individuals but from a nation involved in the attack: Saudi Arabia.

Introduced in the Senate on September 16th, 2015, the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) removed a major roadblock to justice by opening the way for private US citizens to file suit against the Saudi government, which was previously protected by the blanket immunity given to foreign governments. There is much that we do not yet know about what went on behind closed doors with regard to the orchestration of the 9/11 attacks, but the declassification of the portion of the 2002 Congressional Joint Inquiry known as the 28 pages on July 15th, 2016, after 14 years of secrecy, offered the preliminary hope of some much-needed answers. Of the 19 total hijackers who carried out the attacks, 15 were from Saudi Arabia, and evidence contained within the 28 pages pointed to financial connections between these individuals and members of the Saudi government.

Curiously, however, Saudi Arabia’s suspected culpability in the attacks has not been reflected in US response. From the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan to President Trump’s attempted travel ban affecting a list of seven Muslim-majority countries—from which Saudi Arabia is notably absent, it would appear that our government’s enthusiasm for retaliation against “Islamic terror” has a blind spot in the shape of the US alliance with Saudi Arabia.

Getting at the truth of the extent to which the Saudi government sponsored and aided in the attacks is a vital step towards justice and closure for families that, until JASTA, had the power of foreign sovereign immunity standing in its way. Despite fierce oppositionfrom Saudi lobbyists and a presidential veto that argued that it would invite similar lawsuits against the United States government from victims of US war crimes, JASTA was successfully passed into law on September 28th, 2016. Only two days later, the first lawsuit under this new act went forward. DeSimone v. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, filed by the widow of US Navy Commander Patrick Dunn, set the precedent for many other lawsuits of its kind to follow.

While some JASTA lawsuits came from single individuals or families as in the case of DeSimone v. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, others were filed in the form of consolidated complaints with hundreds of plaintiffs issuing shared demands. Ashton et al v. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of the largest class action lawsuits of this kind, sporting the names of over 800 family members and 1500 survivors. Filed March 20th, 2017, the lawsuit as of the time of this publication is contending with a motion filed by Saudi Arabia to dismiss it from the court. Lawyers for the plaintiffs have until October 2nd to submit documents opposing the motion.

Evidence of at least some Saudi complicity in the attacks is pretty much undeniable at this point, and if you missed it the first time, I suggest you read my summary of what we learned in the infamous “28 Pages.” 

But now we have even more information. A lot more. For instance, take a look at some of what the New York Post reported over the weekend:

Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim that employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.

Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.

The court filing provides new details that paint “a pattern of both financial and operational support” for the 9/11 conspiracy from official Saudi sources, lawyers for the plaintiffs say. In fact, the Saudi government may have been involved in underwriting the attacks from the earliest stages — including testing cockpit security.

“We’ve long asserted that there were longstanding and close relationships between al Qaeda and the religious components of the Saudi government,” said Sean Carter, the lead attorney for the 9/11 plaintiffs. “This is further evidence of that.”

Citing FBI documents, the complaint alleges that the Saudi students — Mohammed al-Qudhaeein and Hamdan al-Shalawi — were in fact members of “the Kingdom’s network of agents in the US,” and participated in the terrorist conspiracy.

They had trained at al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan at the same time some of the hijackers were there. And while living in Arizona, they had regular contacts with a Saudi hijacker pilot and a senior al Qaeda leader from Saudi now incarcerated at Gitmo. At least one tried to re-enter the US a month before the attacks as a possible muscle hijacker but was denied admission because he appeared on a terrorist watch list.

Qudhaeein and Shalawi both worked for and received money from the Saudi government, with Qudhaeein employed at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. Shalawi was also “a longtime employee of the Saudi government.” The pair were in “frequent contact” with Saudi officials while in the US, according to the filings.

During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.

“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.

“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.

The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.

“The dry run reveals more of the fingerprints of the Saudi government,” said Kristen Breitweiser, one of the New York plaintiffs, whose husband perished at the World Trade Center.

Carter said in an interview that the allegations that the Saudi Embassy sponsored a pre-9/11 dry run — along with charges of other Saudi involvement in the 9/11 plot, from California to Florida — are based on “nearly 5,000 pages of evidence submitted of record and incorporated by reference into the complaint.”

They include “every FBI report that we have been able to obtain,” though hundreds of thousands of pages of government documents related to Saudi terror funding remain secret.

As I tweeted yesterday:

Finally, let me end this post by sharing a video put together by James Corbett, which has attained nearly 3 million views.

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Southern Sage
Southern Sage
September 11, 2017 4:54 pm

The Saudis? Yes, they played a role. The puppetmaster, however, was Israel. The U.S. intel community and Donald Trump know it. Israel and Saudi Arabia are not enemies. They work together very closely (and quietly). My guess is that the deluded fools of 9/11 actually thought they were serving Allah. They had no idea their organization was 100 percent kosher. I know a plane or planes flew into the WTC (a friend was literally under the building when it happened and saw it) but I am now leaning towards the explosives theory (I am not an engineer and have been reluctant to comment on this aspect until now). The planes were essentially a clever diversion. The WTC towers were brought down in controlled fashion – my first thought, by the way, when I saw them fall. I also happen to know that Israeli involvement is known to both the FBI and CIA – they fought over opening an investigation when the CIA directly linked a known Mossad officer to the whole thing. The FBI said, “No fucking way – too hot to handle”. Want to know why they are so desperate to destroy Trump. There it is. He knows and they know he knows. If he says it in public he is a dead man and he knows it. The Israeli art students case is the key to the entire thing. Check it out. The goal was to wipe out the secular nationalist regimes in Iraq and Syria, then to destroy the Iranian regime – a deadly threat to Saudi Arabia’s monarchy and those of the Gulf states. 9/11 was the detonator. This while thing is a Game of Thrones squared.

Stucky
Stucky
  Southern Sage
September 11, 2017 5:47 pm

I have purposely avoided all these 9-11 threads. What more can be said that hasn’t been said a thousand times before?

But, since it’s you, Southern SAGE ….

The demolition theory makes no technical sense. It violates virtually everything known about demolishing buildings via explosives. For example, no large building has ever been exploded from the top down. And they are not wired to the top. The bottom and middle portions are wired. The explosions only initiate the process …. gravity does the rest.

I’m not an engineer either.

But, I spent a good 50+ hours researching and then writing the article below. My primary sources were web sites and articles written by companies who actually DO demolitions.

Since you are a SAGE, perhaps you will give it a glance? (Meanwhile, all the Truthers will thumb this down, as is expected.)

Demolition 101 For (Truther) Dummies

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
September 11, 2017 5:54 pm

ADDENDUM.

I do NOT believe the official government story! Governments lie, esp this one. Their story contains too much obvious bullshit.

I just don’t buy the controlled demolition theory. And for this, Truthers hate my views. Any deviation from their Gospel in its entirety is considered heresy. Or, worse …

Blessings

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Stucky
September 11, 2017 6:37 pm

Stucky, why haven’t you considered the use of scalar weapon technology?

It does, exist, you know…

Research Dr. Judy Woods’ work.

Not sayin’ that is the answer, but her court experience was quite revealing in the way the judge “handled” the dismissal of her case.

This link suggests how the buildings could have been pre-wired:

http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/show/8636674-preparing-the-wtc-for-destruction

Motive was certainly there–Silverstein had only recently insured the WTC for a billion bucks, IIRC. And of course the obvious other reason put forth before by PNAC (Project for a New American Century), who claimed we needed a “new Pearl Harbor”. And boy, did we get one!

Uncertified
Uncertified
  Stucky
September 11, 2017 7:11 pm

That was a great post by Stucky along with the ensuing commentary

On that thread – exactly at September 11, 2015, at 3:41 pm, Westcoaster posted this exact video below. Incidentally, the video received 28 downvotes + 4 upvotes = 32 total (= an inverted # 23)

Look at the upper right wing of the plane at the 18-second mark. How did it go behind the left-edge of the building (facing) and then reappear in front just before the collision? I am not making any claims, but I always wondered about that. It might just have been a trick of the light that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=qdC4k0-wJlw

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Stucky
September 11, 2017 6:06 pm

Stucky sez, “The demolition theory makes no technical sense. It violates virtually everything known about demolishing buildings via explosives. For example, no large building has ever been exploded from the top down. And they are not wired to the top. The bottom and middle portions are wired. The explosions only initiate the process …. gravity does the rest.”
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On this you are simply wrong. The buildings were not demolished from the top down. They were demolished from the bottom of the 70th (or whatever) floor. Gravity did the rest.

Nobody has ever imploded a 110 story building from the bottom (first floor), bucko. If the Empire State Building is ever imploded, it will probably be done from 2/3rd of the way to the top. The twin towers proved it is doable, twice. The record for that type of demolishion is perfect.

Stucky
Stucky
  Zarathustra
September 11, 2017 8:18 pm

Zara

You’re just pulling crap out of your ass.

So they were demolished from the 70th floor. Oh, you mean where the airplanes hit? That’s some pretty damned good planning by (((whoever))) did the wiring, or pretty damned good precision flying, or both. ha!

Nice references you provided for your fantasy. Not.

Find me one, just one, reference from professional demolishers who DON’T say destroying the main supports at or near ground level is the crucial step. I hear crickets.

There’s architects for truth, engineers for truth, etc. Why are there no Demolition Companies for truth? Hmm? Oh yeah, they’re ALL in on the conspiracy.

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To everyone else wHo posed questions to me. I’m done. Done. Done. Done. Don’t give a shit about this topic anymore, or even reading the comments. I posted in the first place only as a service to Southern SAGE. He can do with it whatever suits him.

I don’t think it will ever be solved. It’s like asking who killed JFK … the people who know first hand are likely all dead by now. Same will happen with those (if any) who have first hand knowledge of 9-11. None of us will ever have access to all the data. But, go ahead and speculate away. It’s what humans do. Makes us feel smart and important, even if it’s pissing up a rope.

I am done.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Stucky
September 11, 2017 8:48 pm

Douche, if you think two random events…plowing airplanes imprecisely into tall buildings at different impact points and angles can result into them collapsing in their own footprint then doing it professionally in a controlled manner would be a piece of cake.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  Stucky
September 12, 2017 1:29 pm

JFK was killed from an accidental discharge by a SS Agent in a trailing car. Oswald did shoot JFK and the wound might have proved fatal however the fatal shot was a JHP, definitely not the type of round Oswald was firing. It’s well documented in The Smoking Gun.

As for saying the Towers came down from prewired explosives that could be set off when a plane rammed into the building, the amount of people that would have known this would seem to indicate a plot with waaay too many soup coolers.

And that asks the question, why? Why would it be necessary to bring the Towers down anyway? Are you saying that the planes flying into them wasn’t enough? That is fucking weapons grade stupid. Whether or not the terrorists thought the Towers would collapse is unimportant. Further, a video tape of Osama shows him saying he had no idea that the Towers would collapse. yeah, I know, that’s fake too, sheeeesh.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Stucky
September 11, 2017 8:25 pm

Building 7’s collapse in free fall, impacted by nothing, but with the floors obviously blown first, proves you are wrong— as the European Physicists’ article concludes.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
  Stucky
September 12, 2017 9:51 pm

I am not really all that interested in the explosives thing but I happen to KNOW the Israelis at the very least had advance guilty knowledge of 9/11. I suppose your brilliant pointy head missed the core of what I was saying. I might add that IF there was an explosive operation involved it would have involved some pretty esoteric stuff, none of which you or I would have any knowledge if. You certainly would not have come across in your 50 hours of research.

Stucky
Stucky
  Southern Sage
September 13, 2017 10:48 am

“I am not really all that interested in the explosives thing ….”. —– Southern Sage most recent comment

” …. but I am now leaning towards the explosives theory ” —– Southern Sage opening comment

Wow. Just, wow.

I was just trying to be helpful, SS. I won’t be making that mistake with you again.

marblenecltr
marblenecltr
September 11, 2017 5:19 pm

The most recent Loose Change dvd and 911- The Road to Tyranny by Alex Jones are great starts on a trail similar to one created on 11/22/63.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
September 11, 2017 5:29 pm

What ever my government tells me , I believe the exact opposite . The devil is always in the details that are never shared . Those that dare speak against the MACHINE disappear or commit Arkanside or end up in prison for decades . 9/11 was an inside job performed by federal spooks scurrying about like cats covering up shit . The THEY we never hear of or see allowed it to happen again to protect the head rats for a little longer . Everything we see now is Kabuki theater with no truth only a purpose of re direction regarding everything our government has its collective dick beaters in and North Korea could be next . After all we dropped $6 trillion between Iraq and Afghanistan and all we have to show for that is a bankrupt nation with great HERION on the streets so WTF “LETS ROLL”

marblenecltr
marblenecltr
September 11, 2017 5:33 pm

Just think how much worse it all could have been were not Vice President Richard Cheney been in direct command of NORAD that day! Hmm, Vice Commander in Chief?

BB
BB
September 11, 2017 5:51 pm

Somebody knows the truth about what really happened and who was behind it . Doesn’t mean we will ever know.

Steve
Steve
September 11, 2017 6:34 pm

“Citing FBI documents” made me laugh so hard I almost fell out of my chair. They are now the last to be believed. The Arabs were schmucks controlled by the Talmudic jews with deep state cooperation throughout. What weapons were used appears to be a combo. See Judy Woods and watch a 4 inch thick 100 foot steel beam turn to dust before your eyes. The official story is simply farsical.

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
September 11, 2017 6:52 pm

The FBI is corrupt, remember their initial leader was a closet trans. and most FBI directors were corrupt or corrupted.
We have near complete surveillance on the US population since 2001, the politicians will not stop it.
The Fed is now in near complete control of the economy.
Lastly, the middle class is cash flow broke, and smaller in size.
Bush, Obama, et all are just getting started; scares the crap out of me.

For the record, I never, never thought a commercial plane flew in to the Pentagon.

BL
BL
September 11, 2017 6:54 pm

Stucky- What do you believe brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7? If you say airplanes I will give up on you for good. Not trying to be a hardass so don’t read it that way , something brought them down and we more or less know the who behind it.

EL Cibernetico
EL Cibernetico
  BL
September 11, 2017 11:18 pm

He almost brought down this blog with 1000 videos in one thread. But that was long ago, he’s in therapy now. Just don’t speak too loud around him, he’s still jittery about that guy with the blog.

BL
BL
September 11, 2017 7:01 pm

Seriously Stucky, other than Admin. is there anyone left here who believes any part of the OS? Is there anyone here who still fully believes ANYTHING they tell us on any given day? Is there anyone left here who still believes in this administration as they hoped for/wanted to in January of this year?

Not quite sober
Not quite sober
September 11, 2017 7:08 pm

What about building 7? It didn’t even get hit with foul language but fell deader than dead.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Not quite sober
September 11, 2017 7:20 pm

A butterfly flapped it’s wings.

Rise Up
Rise Up
September 11, 2017 7:09 pm
BL
BL
September 11, 2017 8:54 pm

I knew Stucky would quit and take his toys home !!! Come back here you varmint.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 11, 2017 9:28 pm

Gee, here is the complete analysis of what brought down B7. And it was not explosives, you buffoons.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

Read ’em and weep.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Llpoh
September 11, 2017 9:33 pm

Popular Mechanics. Of course! It’s right up there with Time and Newsweek as recognized authoritative sources.

BL
BL
  Llpoh
September 11, 2017 10:07 pm

Llpoh- Buildings that “just collapse” from fire will always collapse in random directions NOT in their own footprint. WTC7 collapsed in IT’S OWN FOOTPRINT and did so in 2.6 seconds. That article is pure BS. Show me any picture of any 40+ story building that EVER collapsed from fire in it”s own footprint nice and neat…….you can’t.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  BL
September 12, 2017 1:54 am

BL – read the article. It collapsed on a corner, then steamrolled along. A horizontal girder gave way, which weakened a verticle, which then collapsed. Photos clearly show the side buckling in the area the horizontal gave way well prior to the entire collapse.

But what the hell, youse folks and your conspiracy theories will never believe actual science and evidence.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Llpoh
September 11, 2017 10:52 pm

LLPOH citing Popular Mechanics? That’s the laugh of the day! That rag has been discredited more than the NY Times.

razzle
razzle
  Rise Up
September 11, 2017 11:04 pm

Well to be fair, Llpoh also thinks Google is just your average everyday next door private business bakery.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  razzle
September 12, 2017 2:03 am

Razzle, you cretin, I just believe it is not a monopoly, and there are 12 distinct options out there. And that as private property, they have rights, like it or not. You socialists can disagree all you want, but thems the facts.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Rise Up
September 12, 2017 2:01 am

Rise up, you moron, the article is a summary of NITS investigation. You should at least briefly investigate before before showing your stupidity.

Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey
  Rise Up
September 12, 2017 8:59 am

From the Popular Mechanics article:

“All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what’s known as a ‘progressive collapse’–that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.”

Mr. Roberts
Mr. Roberts
  Jim Carrey
September 12, 2017 9:04 am

New 9/11 Evidence

Maggie
Maggie
  Jim Carrey
September 12, 2017 9:57 am

Unbelievable? 23 columns. Proving the number 23 is, indeed, sinister.

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan
September 12, 2017 12:17 am

Little by little, the truth continues to come out. The money quote begins at 3:50:

“It became very clear to me that the NIST investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center was not a sincere and genuine study.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ_jQgIEnI8

Maggie
Maggie
  AnarchoPagan
September 12, 2017 11:07 am

I am opening a can of worms and submitted this in a post. Personally, I do not like the “official” story. I think the truth is out there and we will never know all the details, but I would like to see some of those we KNOW are responsible brought forward to answer for their criminal behavior: either direct involvement in ordering or allowing the planes to be “hijacked” OR direct involvement in the planning of the event, including the coverup. I think, like Deep Throat told a certain reporter longagofaraway: It goes all the way to the Top.

Those of us who have been involved in secretive and underhanded government operations/investigations/research KNOW it goes to the top. We also are taught codes of ethics to cause us to absolutely refuse to consider RATTING the system out for housing a parasitical horde of number crunchers.*

Once upon a time, I managed a database that linked to multiple other databases linked to a really, really, really big one in Utah. I saw some things that convinced me to convince my husband that earning those big gravy train paychecks was not worth living under urban shadow when the piper comes to be paid. It went to the top then; I’m betting it still does.

*number crunchers: in any organization involving the government, there is one big propaganda machine fed by numerical and statistical data intended to convince the little people that their treasure was being used in impressive ways. For example, each month I prepared several reports detailing a variety of human errors in pricing or overruns in labor where savings could be realized or all kinds of wonderful ideas the database could provide. Did anyone care? No… I was just another number cruncher put in place to prove there was response to the enormous waste of money.

Rob
Rob
September 12, 2017 10:14 am

Popular Mechanics is not a technical magazine. It sells stupid plans to stupid people who try to build stupid things. Nobody reads it. No one ever did. The fact that they used Popular Mechanics to distribute their propaganda is simply another indicator of their panic over a poorly planned and hidden syop. The fact that Stucky and Llpooh believe it is just further proof.

Thousands of real scientists and architects have pointed out that the official narrative is simply false. No fire and no airplane have ever caused any other steel framed building to fall and yet on this day three came tumbling down. And one of them didn’t even get hit by a plane. In as much as you guys are totally ignorant of the facts of building construction and demolition it might be best if you took the guidance of those more educated than yourselves.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Rob
September 12, 2017 10:31 am

Rob – you dolt. I am expected to believe “thousands” of scientists and engineers say so, because you say so? I posted a link to real live evidence, undertaken by the NITS. And you post nothing but crap. There are millions of engineers and scientists who call bullshit on you ignorant assholes. Refute that, dickhead.

Btw – popular mechanics has over 1.2 million in circulation.

And just how many jumbos have crashed into skyscrapers? Great body of analysis you have done there – no airplane ever knocked down a steel frame skyscraper before? How about one instance where they didn’t? Fact is, every time they hit a skyscraper, down it came.

And re more educated – I have taken their advice – they are called the NITS. You fuckwit.

anonymous
anonymous
  Llpoh
September 12, 2017 10:47 am

LLPOH, you’re arguing against mental illness, like trying to talk sense to a schizophrenic. I worked in the WTC — it was a very flimsy building where the floors were no more than thin sheets of metal. They creaked every time you walked over it. You could stand between the thin metal girders that ran up and down the height of the building and feel them groaning even in a light wind. It was a building that could easily have been brought down with some kind of structural damage and heat. It’s fantastical to believe that the government went to great lengths to pull off a hoax.

The simple truth is, Saudi Arabia — and maybe Israel — made this happen for reasons of their own, and our government assisted in the cover-up of their involvement to achieve their own goals of regime change in the middle east. And a surveillance state here.

Rob
Rob
  Llpoh
September 12, 2017 2:27 pm

Jesus dude…don’t you read the comments? There is a video just up stream that shows an actual NITS guy saying that the whole NITS report was bullshit. I suppose that hearing what your government overlords have to opine on the subject is just as good as the least technical crap magazine you could find in every drug store. You and Stucky are perfect examples of why democracy can not possibly work. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 12, 2017 11:09 am

Israel + Saudis = Poppies + Patriot Act

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 12, 2017 11:24 am

“I worked in the WTC — it was a very flimsy building where the floors were no more than thin sheets of metal.”

Anonymous.

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Rhetoric versus Logic = Defeat.

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Rob
Rob
September 12, 2017 2:22 pm

It is really scary that you would say something like that anon. No matter what any of us believe there is not one other person in the whole world who would believe that the floors were of thin steel and that they shook when you walked on them. You have not aquitted yourself all that well on this one.