Muck’s Minute #42

Climate Change, Nasty Tropical Weather and Unbelievers

I’m sorry to have to say this but all those – from President Trump and EPA Chief Scott Pruitt need to listen hard, hear a giant sucking sound as they pull their heads out of their respective asses and give up denying that a more CO2 in the atmosphere leading to warmer climates, hence warmer ocean water, leads to bigger and better tropical storms, shifts in weather patterns and generally raises hell with human comforts and constructive efforts.

That’s not all a warmer climate does, by any means.  It makes geographical locations of fields of green with plentiful rainfall into arid grasslands and places with lots of dry rock and dirt into not so beautiful places of wet rock and mudslides.

It also contributes to more powerful localized storms such as tornadoes and in the generalized temperature rise, makes air conditioning needed where none was required before.

Then we have the lovely problem of sea level rise – WHICH IS HAPPENING – albeit slowly so the average non-thinking American (much less the less-thinking rest of the world) doesn’t notice it.

The country who will fell rising tides and storm surge first and with most effect is Bangladesh.  This benighted country is wholly confined to the delta of the mighty Ganges River which stretches from the Himalayas to the Sea of Bengal.

It has been said that any and all evaporation of water from the Ganges River is more than made up from the urine output of the millions and millions of people who pee in it every day.

At any rate, the places the normal hight about sea level of Bangladesh at a mere 33 feet (rising to 300 feet or so in the far North of the country as the foothills of the Himalayas start).

Now many other places (Miami Beach, Ft. Lauderdale, New York City, London, much of the Netherlands), and a hell of a lot of near sea level cities will go first due to storm surges (a la Fukushima) where the sea simply rises up (be it from Hurricane or earthquake) and flows inland – and keeps flowing – and keeps flowing until it covers the maximum amount of dry land it can before running out of “rise power”.

None the less, a rise of a single foot (1 ft.) in sea level tacked onto a storm surge will guarantee catastrophic coastline destruction during a storm.

What it boils down to is that a small rise in sea level will guarantee large damage to those low areas right along the shore.  A large rise in sea level (coming later) will guarantee a massive relocation of millions of people, along with all their institutions, inland, to escape what will be a map changing catastrophe on all our shores.

That comes later – which is why stupid politicians hand it off to future generations knowing they themselves will be gone or dead before it happens.  Much like the Fed’s printing and borrowing now for your grandchildren to be forced to pay back.  Same principle, different subject. One effects our USA and the other effects the world.

This, in turn, brings up the subject of Muck’s Minute #43 which will be forthcoming in a few days.  The subject of this one is the absolutely insane Federal Policy of Flood Insurance which encourages Americans to build in flood zones, on beaches guaranteed to be washed away and so on.  Why not? The taxpayer will pay to have your lovely beach-side home rebuilt.  PUKE..  But that’s for a later day..

muck

Author: MuckAbout

Retired Engineer and Scientist (electronic, optics, mechanical) lives in a pleasant retirement community in Central Florida. He is interested in almost everything and comments on most of it. A pragmatic libertarian at heart he welcomes comments on all that he writes.

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Administrator
Administrator
September 21, 2017 12:26 pm

How come we hadn’t had a major hurricane hit the US in the previous 12 years?

All of a sudden, because a couple major hurricanes hit the US, it’s global warming?

The number of tornadoes is also way down over the last decade.

How about all the areas that won’t have to use their heaters because temperatures are more moderate?

What’s your solution Muck? More taxes? Force everyone to drive Priuses? Wind powered cars?

If you are worried about rising seas, don’t live on or near a beach.

Note to self: Don’t move to Bangladesh.

Administrator
Administrator
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 1:28 pm

You conveniently left out your SOLUTION Muck.

Pray tell, what the fuck would you like us to do to save future generations?

Be specific. I’m taking notes.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Administrator
September 21, 2017 3:05 pm

Move to Manitoba.

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
September 21, 2017 7:46 pm

“Politicians say more taxes can solve anything” Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong (Ball of Confusion, the Temptations)

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  Administrator
September 22, 2017 7:23 am

I had no Idea that Muck was a Disciple of Gorism. I’m shocked. Or maybe he went long carbon futures. Or maybe he’s just starting another shirtstorm. I’ll chip in for the de-programming when he finally comes around.

Robert (QSLV)

i forget
i forget
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 2:04 pm

“Weather and climate change are not linear functions.”

Neither is “a few hundred years from now.”

Malthus milk is a psychoactive libation. Nostradamus is a nervous condition.

RiNS
RiNS
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 2:39 pm
javelin
javelin
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 5:05 pm

Sorry muck, you don’t know muck about even how a hurricane is formed. COOLNESS in the atmosphere actually creates the scenario where hurricanes flourish…
Rising CO2 happens AFTER there is warming -not vice versa ( look t up).
–The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small.

—Complete arrogance to think man is the cause of any climate change when we have this monstrous flaming ball in the sky letting off 100 million atomic explosions of thermodynamic heat/energy into our solar system every minute.

—Final inconvenient fact: North America was buried under mile-thick ice sheets not too long ago ( in planetary time scale), so powerful that they literally pushed and pulled massive rocks, carved out the great lakes and the receding permafrost has been going on for eons. Our current planetary climate is one of the most stable periods in the history of Earth.

steve
steve
  javelin
September 22, 2017 9:22 am

THANK YOU Javelin,
The CO2 comes AFTER the temp increases!!!!!!!!!!!!

MN Steel
MN Steel
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 5:49 pm

Seems someone forgot to read the “10 Commandments for Newbies” article, specifically #7.

That, and the GIANT FUCKING BALL OF RADIOACTIVE FIRE IN THE SKY.

This isn’t YOUR system, it’s the SOLAR System.

Stephen
Stephen
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 6:39 pm

Thanks Muck : all subjective information

Travis
Travis
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 6:47 pm

You drank the kool aid didn’t you muck.

Dave
Dave
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 11:05 pm

Evolution is slow too.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Administrator
September 21, 2017 4:14 pm

Sorry Muck, but hurricanes have not increased in frequency or severity in the last 150 years, and here’s the data….

Atlantic Hurricane Trends and Mortality Updated

sofa
sofa
September 21, 2017 12:28 pm

Al Gore consolidated theory predictions: By 2015, the end of snow, massive ice melt-off, massive rise in sea levels.

predictions failed.
if science, try another theory.
if religion for you, then keep chanting and believing.

Gator
Gator
  sofa
September 21, 2017 1:07 pm

It is a religion. Kinda like certain sects of Christianity, where each generation believes the second coming of Christ will occur during their lifetime, and yet despite in not happening for hundreds of years, this religion still persists and recruits.

Admin – I’ll add another statistic to what you said – the Puerto Rican government is saying that this is the worst storm to hit since 1928. So, was it global warming then, too? Apparently storms this big happened at least 100 years ago. I would also add that it’s only been in the last 60 years or so that we’ve had the ability to accurately gauge and monitor these storms. We have no idea what happened a couple hundred years ago, and only a vague idea of what happened before the last century.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 21, 2017 12:36 pm

The SUN is what causes global warming and global coolings, not the activity of us little ants on the planet. Vanities of vanities, man thinking he is so powerful and significant.
Team Goy #432

RiNS
RiNS
  Diogenes
September 21, 2017 2:53 pm

Fucken’ Sun…. Curse you!

No need to worry Diogenes. Jesus has it all figured out. Beebs has us all saying prayers maybe we can shoot off a couple of feelies for Mother Earth. Ya gotta feel sorry for her. She must be gettin’ tired of being fucked all the time and being under the weather….

Can’t we all spare a bowl of chicken soup for the old cunt.

But no. Everyday she gets the same response from above

its the same bowl and

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Gawd can be such an arsehole….

Yours for the Merciless and Everlasting Odin,

RiNS

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
September 21, 2017 12:42 pm

People dont know jack about the climate. These bonobos have no more ability to predict sea levels a hundred years from now than your average bonobo at the zoo. People dont even know that the earth is growing, and that there were no oceans a couple hundred million years ago. They dont know that it was this growing earth cracking open and creating oceans that cut the dinosaur migration patterns which is what really made them go extinct. That giant meteor didnt kill them all. They were dying off for millions of years before it hit, and continued to do so after it hit, albeit in vastly reduced numbers. Because very few people know any of this, they have no idea how to calculate the expanding earth’s imapct on sea levels. They dont know how much surface area is increasing, what affect a 0.1% change in surface area has on ocean levels, nor do they know how much steam is coming out of the mid ocean rifts which are the locus of expansion. Given this level of ignorance, you may as well be a literal monkey trying to predict sea levels.

Barnum Bailey
Barnum Bailey
  Iconoclast421
September 21, 2017 1:08 pm

Giant meteor (asteroid) theory. Too stupid for words. If it was real, all dino’s would have been gone right there and then. It took MILLIONS of years for them to disappear from the fossil record.

People will believe anything.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Barnum Bailey
September 21, 2017 1:59 pm

Starting with you, Barney. There is no fossil record. Didn’t you read Gator’s comment that we only have a vague idea of what happened 100 years ago? If there was a fossil record to be studied, I imagine we’d be on it like squat, drilling the arctic ice to see what the atmosphere was like eons ago, plumbing the ocean floors looking for clues about plate tectonics, studying sediment and rock layers. But, there is nothing, zip, just a flat earth with a capricious weather pattern that left no footprint. We still have no explanation for that high water mark in Alaska and we don’t know why fossils of sea creatures appear on land way above sea level. Maybe a more advanced race of people can figure this shit out, we have no clue, it’s all vague.

RiNS
RiNS
  Anonymous
September 21, 2017 3:36 pm

it’s all vague, I hope your being sarcastic

if not then flat earfers are amazing bonobos…

just like yer anecdotes.. get a handle anon

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
September 21, 2017 12:44 pm

Hey Muck….during the Cambrian period of the Paleozoic era South Carolina’s beach was about 90 miles further inland. Now that was around 545 million years ago. I wonder if there was any man made GLOBULL Warming then ?

I know that the beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota where I hunted this past spring was under water as well during this period. I guess the Indians stole that land from the trilobites !

RiNS
RiNS
  BUCKHED
September 21, 2017 2:58 pm

I hate to point this out Buck but that is a bad example. Because of continental drift South Carolina wasn’t at same Lat and Long then as it is now. Using that example when talking to the warmers is just asking for a smackdown..

Just sayin’

Annie
Annie
  RiNS
September 21, 2017 4:19 pm

But there are cities/settlements from 12,000 to 10,000 years ago under 200 to 400 feet of water.

RiNS
RiNS
  Annie
September 21, 2017 6:03 pm

Annie your point doesn’t make one with regards continental drift. The Cambrian Age happened hundreds of millions of years ago.

Which cities? They could be underwater for many reasons. Most likely due to Glaciers melting but just a guess without more information.

Weather changes. It always has. Just 20000 years ago the place where I live was buried under several thousand feet of ice. And yet without help of cars or factories it all melted. None of that climate change was driven by man. Could other factors be at play.

The problem with all this alarmist talk is the lack of solutions. The greenies like DiCaprio and Gore will blather about reducing this and taxing that. Yet when curtain falls they turn tail, scamper back to private jets to get home to their gated 10000 sq ft mansions.

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If Leonardo wuz so worried about Mutha Earf he’d sell his hovel in Malibu, donate the proceeds to Uncle Sam and move to the Hood in Compton. But everybody knows that ain’t gonna happen. Nope instead he gets to keep his fucken money and the rest of us scraping by get to pay a carbon tax for the right to breathe the same air as him.

The warmers can either put up or shut up.

They need to

1) Quit thinking that EV’s alone will solve emissions.

An Electric Car is the ultimate NIMBY vehicle. Those cars can only drive around toney neighbourhoods by shitting in someone elses backyard.

2) Get an agreement to get India, China and Russia on board.

What is the point leaving them out of binding agreements. It is just one moar reason for Capital to move to those less restrictive environs. But maybe that is the plan.

3) Forget about the Carbon Credits/Taxes

How does it help poverty in places like Sub-Saharan Africa to be trading carbon credits with some tin pot dictator that doesn’t give a fuck about the people he supposedly represents. All that money will then just flow right back to City of London or a Bank in Switzerland.

Like Admin said. There needs to be real solutions that don’t involve starving and freezing the middle class into poverty to reduce a gas that isn’t even a pollutant.

But it doesn’t fucken matter anyways. Most of cars being built for roads today will still be on them 20 years from now. The economy cannot just pull a 180 and go in completely different direction. If a decree was issued tomorrow banning coal, diesel and Nat Gas for Electtical generation what would happen to the Just in Time Economy that provides me will Oranges on a Tuesday from South Africa.

Carbon Dioxide will increase one way or the other.

You can..

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Book that Danno!

But maaaaybe that is the underlying plan.

Crush the trade.
Crush the will. And
Crush the population.

Agenda 21 might so far fetched afterall if Gore and DiCaprio have their way. They wont be worried though. When the Barbarians are at the Gates, as with Rome they will slip away. And like the Nobles of so long ago they will ride out the coming dark age in their Villas by the Sea.

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Gator
Gator
  RiNS
September 22, 2017 12:43 am

Great post. I agree completely. I’ve brought up the points about the Chinese not giving a shit about any of these agreements, regardless of what they say or what pieces of paper they sign. This will just cause capital to flow there, along with millions more jobs of course. I’ve brought this up to warmers, of course, but they have an answer for that too, as stupid as all the rest. Usually some blather about how all those ‘dirty’ jobs will be replaced by even higher paying ‘green’ jobs making solar panels and batteries and shit like that. Ask them where those things are made now, or if they have any idea what pulling the materials to make them out of the earth does, or if they are aware that when the carbon cost of making the battery packs, and then disposing of them, and the fact that much of the electricity that charges an EV comes from fossil fuels anyways, which all added up means they have no smaller carbon footprint than an equivalent sized internal combustion power car. They have no idea about any of that either, nor any idea of what raising taxes to fight global warming will do other than a vague notion of allowing the government to ‘invest in green technologies’. Asking them how those investments have paid of thus far gets you nowhere either. In short, there’s really no point in arguing with them. It really is like trying to convince a priest that God isn’t real.

Another unfortunate thing about the ‘religious’ aspects of the global warming cult is the adherents apparent desire to purge the world of the non believers. Luckily for non believers in the west like me, Christianity grew out of that a long time ago. But in this regard, leftists seem to more closely resemble the backwards, third world religions. Their most ardent followers seem to incredibly favor, at minimum, silencing or incarcerating those who speak against them. Any casual student of history can tell you what comes next – kneeling before a ditch you and a few hundred other poor wretches just helped dig, waiting for some bright eyed true believer to put a bullet behind your ear.

Tommy
Tommy
September 21, 2017 12:47 pm

You guys see the new awesome diesel pickups coming out for ’18….kick ass!

Fulton
Fulton
  Tommy
September 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Tommy BOY: I drive a Chevy cruze diesel that cost $23,000 dollars, gets 60 miles per gallon, and would SPANK any of your ” I have a one inch penis so I need to drive a pickemup” truck. So now, what WAS your (moronic) argument against energy conservation?

Tommy
Tommy
  Fulton
September 21, 2017 1:17 pm

Energy conservation is fine – we all get to drive what we want. It’s called freedom of choice to most, moronic to climate retards like you. FWIW, the Jetta diesels are better.

Fulton
Fulton
  Tommy
September 21, 2017 8:30 pm

You still did not address my suspicion that pick up truck drivers suffer from inadequate talleywackers

pedex
pedex
  Fulton
September 21, 2017 3:46 pm

better call guiness cause your car is setting world records

it’s rated at 31/47mpg

Fulton
Fulton
  pedex
September 21, 2017 8:37 pm

Wrong answer Pedex. It is rated 30 city and 52 highway, with a manual transmission, and most diesels can easily beat EPA ratings. I am guessing a manual transmission would be too much work for most of you men, whose pickup trucks probably have cooled seats to coddle your fat asses.

Penforce
Penforce
  Fulton
September 21, 2017 9:15 pm

I own one Jetta and one Ford pickup. I have to wear a jock to drive my Jetta. Just say’n.

Annie
Annie
  Fulton
September 21, 2017 4:33 pm

How many bags of animal feed can you fit in that cruze? Will it go anywhere with even that much weight in it? How many cords of wood or yards of gravel? How many goats? Does it have 4 wheel drive so I can get up my driveway after it snows? Fuck energy conservation if the vehicle doesn’t do what I need it to do. And I don’t have a penis, so your grand argument doesn’t work for me – moron.

Fulton
Fulton
  Annie
September 21, 2017 8:42 pm

Women are notorious energy wasters; after all, most of them seem to drive with one foot on the gas and one on the brake..,

javelin
javelin
  Fulton
September 21, 2017 5:13 pm

Chevy cruze–omg–estrogen much?

Gator
Gator
  Fulton
September 22, 2017 12:45 am

Did that car come with a dental dam and a free case of tampons?

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  Gator
September 22, 2017 8:17 am

Surgical strike.

wholy1
wholy1
September 21, 2017 12:49 pm

Don’t suppose all those rift-located volcanoes – number unknown – spewing copious amts of both heat and carbon into the oceans would have any major influence on the so-called “climate change”? Nah, that would be an al-CIA-da-authored “conspiracy theory”. Although I would be inclined to agree that there is “anthropogenic-caused” climate change – it’s called [covert] “geo-engineering”, polluting the entire world with aerosol-applied toxic chemicals. Oh, and about that “carbon argument” – isn’t it just as essential to sustaining life as say, oxygen?

Tommy
Tommy
  wholy1
September 21, 2017 12:52 pm

He’s a boomer I think, so you’ll need charts and graphs and shit like that…..well thought out but impossible to verify opinions don’t ‘cut it’ in a scientific topic rant, unless you agree with them.

Tommy
Tommy
September 21, 2017 12:50 pm

At time like this, you’ve really just got to stop and ask yourself, “What would Al Gore do?”…..then you realize he doesn’t really give a fuck –

Gator
Gator
  Tommy
September 21, 2017 1:09 pm

I know what al gore WILL do – find some way to make more money off the fear mongering, and continue to have the carbon foot print of a dozen or more middle class families.

Barnum Bailey
Barnum Bailey
  Tommy
September 21, 2017 1:09 pm

If I had Gore’s loot (and I mean, pirate swag, ill-gotten gains, etc.) I’d be flying in my private jets, too. Hopefully not making as much of an ass of myself, thought.

BL
BL
September 21, 2017 12:55 pm

Muck- Please watch this doc (at least watch the first 30 to 45 min.) and study up on HAARP. Weather is manipulated and weaponized now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNeOTOytEeA

BL
BL
  MuckAbout
September 21, 2017 2:38 pm

Damn Muck- It took me months of reading to study (HAMP) and (HAARP) to understand intensification of hurricanes and you iz done it in a couple of hours. Maybe you missed this one:

https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/HAMP-AEROSOL-EFFECTS-ON-MICROSTRUCTURE-AND-INTENSITY-OF-TROPICAL-CYCLONES.pdf

(HAMP) and (HAARP) both cause warming, you claim it is by CO2. Read the summary somewhere around pg.10 or 11.

Fulton
Fulton
  BL
September 21, 2017 8:46 pm

Wasn’t HAMP a Japanese fighter in WWII?

Gator
Gator
  BL
September 22, 2017 12:48 am

I flat refuse to read anything from veterans today. Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but if I was going to create a website that was designed to make the millions of us who question things look like a bunch of tards and loons who no one in polite, normal society would possibly associate with, I couldn’t do better, in a million years, than that website.

BSHJ
BSHJ
September 21, 2017 1:00 pm

Wouldn’t all the coming damage due to rising sea levels be good for the economy? I mean, if the old is underwater, now you have to repeatedly build new on the farther-inland beaches? Isn’t this what they call progress? (/s)

Gator
Gator
  BSHJ
September 21, 2017 1:10 pm

Paul krugman just came in his pants…..

Tommy
Tommy
  Gator
September 21, 2017 1:18 pm

Ha! Good one!

Grog
Grog
  BSHJ
September 21, 2017 9:25 pm

Broken window fallacy.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  BSHJ
September 22, 2017 1:05 am

Ever hear of broken window theory?

Revision. Didn’t see someone else mention it above. I got the name wrong any way. But at least I know what it is.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Vixen Vic
September 22, 2017 1:17 am

Also called the broken window fallacy because money spent on repairs is money that could have been spent elsewhere.

Sure, a broken window brings cash out from under the mattress but that doesn’t create money any more than prostitution creates money.

Prostitution consumes money as does a broken window or flooded home.

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
  EL Coyote
September 22, 2017 9:18 pm

Huh? How does any of the three (broken window, flooded home, prostitution) consume money?
(A) FRNs are CURRENCY not MONEY. Look it up!
(B) Moving imaginary dollars in a circle (from the bank to the homeowner to the window repair man to the prostitute (whose home got flooded) to the ..) consumes nothing! Just moves ones and zeros from one place to another …
To consume them you would have to EAT them (or burn them, whatever), not just move them around!

overthecliff
overthecliff
September 21, 2017 1:06 pm

There is no amount of reasoning or evidence that will change the mind of a warming believer. Don’t waste your breath, ink or electrons on them.

Gator
Gator
  overthecliff
September 22, 2017 12:53 am

You are correct, of course. But I still do it anyways, especially on places like here. It helps me formulate my thoughts, and reading some of the people I here’s thoughts sometimes expand my thinking on the matter. Try posting a thouhtful, polite, reasoned post like many of the ones on here at a leftist website, they just delete them. It does amuse me that muck is a global warming guy, as correct and on point as he is about many things. But, at least this place hasn’t turned into an echo chamber, or devolved into a blog pimping, name calling shit fest like zerohedge.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
September 21, 2017 1:06 pm

Consider the amount of heat a single hurricane transfers from the ocean to the atmosphere as attested to by the weight of water it moves and the wind energy, and this with a surface ocean temperature drop in the affected area of one or two degrees F.

If there is global warming, it sure as hell isn’t coming from the puny activities of humans. Look into the sky and behold therein how it was created.

Barnum Bailey
Barnum Bailey
September 21, 2017 1:10 pm

It’s all about electricity.

By that, I agree…our “experts” are full of it.

Gator
Gator
September 21, 2017 1:14 pm

You global warming people use the same logical fallacies for everything. Every single weather event is used as evidence of global warming, even if it’s the opposite of what you predicted would happen. In the early 2000s, you kept predicting more frequent and more powerful hurricanes, especially after Katrina. Can’t tell you how many people kept insisting this was going to be a yearly occurrence, and we’d just have to get used to it as a consequence for driving big SUVs. The. We go through a record long hurricane drought, finally get a couple, and you suddenly claim you were right all along. Same with cold weather. You say snow in most of the north east will soon be a thing of the past because of global warming. Then we have some record breaking winters, and we here ‘oh no, that’s not what we said. We said we’d have colder and more extreme weather because of global warming, so this proves we were right’. No, you just constantly change the metric by which got proclamations are measured. EVERY THING is heads I win, tails you lose.

Ammo
Ammo
September 21, 2017 1:23 pm

Mr Engineer and Scientist…..I wish you would stop with accusations and meaningless rhetoric towards the naysayers of global warming and approach the subject from a simplistic view and place the blame on a government and science out of control in trying to control mankind. You see, I placed the blame on your academic community which refuses to accept any culpability for climate change. You have engineered HAARP, CERN, GMO, DRONES, CHEMTRAILS, NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TESTING and PLANT MELTDOWNS, MICROWAVE TOWERS, HOUSING DEVELOPS IN LOW LANDS and ENGINEERED MANSIONS ON barrier islands for the wealthy, and ETC. Your community has moved infinite volumes of water away from its natural drainage and evaporation geography to water AND SUBSIDIZE OVER DEVELOPMENT and FARMING in arid soil. Why doesn’t your community look at the damage you’ve created so that you can profit and land federal monies for more “scientific” research to advance your status. How about your community helping stop the Rocket-man from his nuclear ambitions. So instead of wasting your energy and talents attacking us naysayers, go after the “engineered” causes of this warming and put the blame where it belongs and end the government’s and scientific community’s manipulation of our environment to further their globalist goals. How about the engineering and scientific community pulling its head out their asses and helping change the course of “engineered warming.”….just sayin’…..

TJF
TJF
September 21, 2017 1:45 pm

Muck, Muck, Muck……I don’t know where to begin. Hopefully, you come through your affliction ok and make a complete recovery. I’m wishing you the best.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  TJF
September 21, 2017 8:04 pm

Muck is just funning us…he wishes to get 100
comments and beyond. Hot topic.

rhs jr
rhs jr
September 21, 2017 1:52 pm

Overheating will probably not be a problem over the next 30 years and maybe even the next 90,000 years. The amount of heat radiated from the Sun determines Earth’s temperature, not insignificant CO2 levels. If Greenhouse Gasses determined anything, why was there a Snowball Earth choking on CO2, CH4, and NH3 during the Huronian Glaciation starting about 2600 million years ago until the Great Oxygenation Event (about 2450-650 million years ago). Earth was a Snowball again before the Cambrian Period began 541 million years ago. Since Solar Cycle 21, each Solar Cycle (avg 11.1 years) has had fewer Sunspots (ie, a cooler Sun) and the Grand Solar Minimum (expected of causing Mini or Full Ice Ages) will probably arrive with Solar Cycle 26 about 2030 or 2040. Ice Ages are hell on Earth bringing Natural Disasters (earthquakes and volcanoes), Drought, Famine, War and Pestilence (ref Matt 24 and Rev 6).

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 21, 2017 2:04 pm

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/climate

climate
noun
1.
the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.

weather
noun
1.
the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc.

So does a hurricane happening during a single hurricane season happening in hurricane regions constitute climate or weather?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 2:07 pm

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 2:09 pm

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Vodka
Vodka
September 21, 2017 2:13 pm

The people who live and work on the sea know that sea-levels have not risen a single millimeter in the last 50 years. A fisherman from Massachusetts confronted Al Gore with this fact a couple of months ago at a promotional event for his new documentary. Al quickly changed the subject.

javelin
javelin
  Vodka
September 21, 2017 5:35 pm

Great point.
There is an underpass/low bridge that we cross under when we leave Solomon’s Island to head out on the bay to fish. We have been doing this for 20+ years.
There is a pole in the water which has numbers showing how much distance there is from the waterline to the clearance of the underside of this bridge ( with the clearance changing with tides of course).
The aged, stain from years and years of sea water shows 24 feet clearance at highest tide—that stain and high tide mark is the exact same spot on the pole it was 20+ years ago. Unless the bridge is somehow growing taller to coincide with rising waters and someone has been raising the pole–there hasn’t been even an inch in the rise of the Bay–and we’d see it first in an estuary.

BSHJ
BSHJ
September 21, 2017 2:18 pm

Was that a pic of an Idaho potato (with a shovel cut in it) ?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  BSHJ
September 21, 2017 2:34 pm

Actually it’s palm pollen found several hundred feet beneath the ice in Antarctica.

starfcker
starfcker
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 7:59 pm

He’s pulling your leg, BSHJ. That’s a pistachio.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 2:29 pm

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 2:33 pm

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The water level at the Rialto Bridge in Venice has remained unchanged for at least 600 years.

If anyone can explain how that fact fits into the rising sea level portion of the Global Warming Hoax, I’m all ears.

BSHJ
BSHJ
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 2:49 pm

Don’t you know….the levels are only going to rise where it causes the most economic damage…..it will never rise where only a pretty bridge might be damaged….heck, it might even go down there at the bridge when it goes up over in NYC (’cause of the tilt I think)

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 3:14 pm

HSF, Everyone knows that the Rialto Bridge has been slowly rising at the same rate as the seas. The effluent from local bovines has made its way into the canals and the resulting gas has buoyed the bridge. So it’s all bull shit.

BL
BL
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 3:42 pm

Looks the same to me HF. Ever notice nobody offers up a good reason for that when you post it?

I understand Muck’s frustration as he resides in Florida and they (MSM) are really taking advantage on the tv with these hurricanes and the damage.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  BL
September 21, 2017 8:08 pm

24/7 for weeks…MSM has a purpose!!

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 3:49 pm

The sentiments, & sentimentality, & self-pity, expressed in Trower’s Bridge of Sighs, is much older than 600 years. Why so unforgiving? Like Clint said to Gene, “deserving’s got nuthin’ to do with it.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g9Hs3rnd6s

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  i forget
September 21, 2017 5:11 pm

One of my all time favorites.

starfcker
starfcker
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 8:05 pm

I almost killed Robin Trower. True story. He stepped out in front of my car, and I almost splattered him.

Grog
Grog
  i forget
September 21, 2017 9:45 pm

In Venice the small covered bridge connects the magnificent Doge’s Palace, home to the city’s ruler and also the courts of justice, with the damp, dark, dingy city “new prison” across the canal. Criminals and traitors were sentenced in the Doge’s Palace before crossing to the prigioni nuovi where their lives would typically end in misery, illness and death.

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Grog
Grog
  Grog
September 22, 2017 1:19 am

I meant to mention, the bridge is known as “The Bridge of Sighs”.

Dan
Dan
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 5:08 pm

Port Arthur in Tasmania is another example of an old measure of sea levels, which demonstrates no rise since records commenced. Another fact that the alarmists avoid is the fact that water expands by nine percent when frozen and conversely contracts when melting by the same degree. The entire exercise is a hoax and our trees and plants need that nasty CO2 to survive.

Ammo
Ammo
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 5:21 pm

Brillant!!

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  hardscrabble farmer
September 22, 2017 8:46 am

Brooklyn 69th St Pier and old ferry terminal to Staten Island 100 years ago. I used to hang out on that same pier 50 years ago. There is a tidal water level gauge on the bulkhead in front of the building with the sign over it. The gauge is still there and the water levels haven’t changed in 100 years.[imgcomment image[/img]

Robert (QSLV)

BB
BB
September 21, 2017 2:40 pm

Muck I got your back on this one! You and I ( smart people ) both know who and what is behind all this weather but we are not telling .Even our Lord Jesus Christ said not to toss your pearls before pigs or something like that.
I have to ask what does it really matter ? ” In the long run were all dead anyways ‘ or something like that .I’m learning not to get stressed about earthly affairs since I maybe going to heaven sooner then I expected.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
September 21, 2017 2:55 pm

Okay folks, listen up.

I will now share with yall the secret to solving global warming. Are you ready? Come closer…

It’s…

nuclear winter.

JIMKI
JIMKI
September 21, 2017 2:56 pm

AGW Is a religion. It relies on faith and the high priest to tell you what is going to happen.

Like a religion it is being used to fleece the flock.

Core samples from the last 200,000 years of artic ice show CO2 levels rising and falling with very little pattern. Less than 12ooo years ago the Ohio valley was under 100 meters of ice.

Long story short. STFU and go elsewhere with your dogma. That dogma wont hunt around here.

hATE
hATE
September 21, 2017 2:59 pm

We dont even know how earths internal heater works that keeps magma flowing. Nor the effect of the suns cycles on our weather. Must be co2. Idiots.

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor
September 21, 2017 3:21 pm

I’ll go one step further on the Rialto Bridge point made by HSF…

It may indicate an actual lowering in sea level as Venice has been subsiding about 0.06 inch per year. (That’s the most recent conservative average across North and South parts of the city) I also recall reading sometime back that the total subsidence was 120 mm for the 20th century – – ’bout 5 inches.

What really drops the sand in my shorts with this level of stupid is simply this – – no ability to recognize the MACRO right in front of one’s face.

“Science” informs us that a good portion of the planet – especially familiar to North Americans – were not too long ago (maybe 20,000 years) covered with ice sheets ranging around 2 km in depth.

Where were the humans responsible for this travesty of global warming that killed those glaciers?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Oh, and if “Science” about those ice ages is unacceptable to MA for some reason, then tell us what makes your brand of “Science” special and accurate?

Or maybe, the events were just too long ago so MA would protest that this time is different. Nonsensical, but I have seen people do it. Check out “Maunder Minimum”, if you have an open mind.

It’s effects are still with us in the ways that it re-shaped agriculture and populations in Europe. One can easily observe the historical record of it in both literature and art starting in the late 1600’s.

It’s not Trump or Pruitt need to get their heads out of their nethers.

Da P

Administrator
Administrator
September 21, 2017 3:31 pm

Climate scientist rebuts Hollywood hurricane hype: ‘This is what weather looks like’

Roy Spencer’s e-book ‘Inevitable Disaster’ refutes link between global warming, hurricanes

By Valerie Richardson – The Washington Times – Thursday, September 21, 2017

Sparring with celebrities and Al Gore over global warming may not be what Roy Spencer had in mind when he earned his Ph.D., but it’s certainly become a bustling sideline for the University of Alabama in Huntsville climatologist.

A month after rebutting Mr. Gore’s documentary “An Inconvenient Sequel,” Mr. Spencer has published another short e-book, this one challengingstatementsby Jennifer Lawrence, Bill Nye, Stevie Wonder and others linking global warming to this year’s active hurricane season.

Called “Inevitable Disaster: Why Hurricanes Can’t Be Blamed on Global Warming,” the 50-page book was released Monday, and like his August e-book, “An Inconvenient Deception,” it’s already made landfall on the Amazon bestseller list.

As of midday Thursday, “An Inconvenient Deception” and “Inevitable Disaster” ranked number one and two on Amazon’s list of bestsellers in the category of Environment & Nature, while Mr. Gore’s companion book to “An Inconvenient Sequel” ranked 100th.

Mr. Spencer’s latest book challenges the oft-repeated assertion that this year’s powerful hurricane season is “what climate change looks like,” arguing that the storms are neither an aberration nor a result of rising carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

“This isn’t what human-caused climate change looks like,” Mr. Spencer said in the e-book. “It’s what weather looks like.”

Hurricane Harvey and Irma became the first two Category 4 hurricanes to strike the U.S. coast on the Atlantic side in the same year, based on 166 years of record-keeping, prompting warnings from Mr. Gore, Pope Francis, Leonardo DiCaprio and others about human-caused climate change.

“This is an unusual time. Within the last two weeks, we have had two more record-breaking, climate-connected storms,” said Mr. Gore in a Monday speech at the World Economic Forum.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo weighed in at a Wednesday press conference, saying “we’ve had multiple Category 4 hurricanes come on land, more than ever before.”

A former NASA senior scientist for climate studies, Mr. Spencer said that having two hurricanes make landfall on the lower 48 within one year isn’t proof of climate change.

“There have been many years with multiple Cat 4 hurricanes in the Atlantic, but there is nothing about global warming theory that says more of those will make landfall,” Mr. Spencer said in an email. “While the official estimate is that this was the first time two Cat 4 storms hit the U.S., since Florida was virtually unpopulated before 1900, we probably don’t really know.”

Before this season, no Category 3 or larger hurricane had hit the U.S. coast since 2005 in what has been dubbed the “hurricane drought.”

In his speech, Mr. Gore said the record five-day rainfall from Hurricane Harvey constituted a “once-in-25,000-year event” and in some parts of Texas, a “once-in-500,000-year event.”

“We are departing the familiar bounds of history as we have known it since our civilization began,” Mr. Gore said. “And why? Because today like all days we will put another 110 million tons of man-made heat-trapping pollution into the atmosphere, using the sky as an open sewer.”

Those in the climate-change movement argue that while climate change doesn’t cause hurricanes, it makes them more intense, thanks in part to warmer sea temperatures.

“Often in the past these storms would churn up cold water from deeper down in the ocean and reduce the temperatures that drive the strength of these storms, but the heat went all the way down more than 200 meters to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, so it didn’t short-circuit,” Mr. Gore said. “It stayed. As many of the climate scientists are now pointed out, the melting of the Arctic is disrupting the northern hemisphere and storm track. You may remember the discussions last winter of polar vortex. It’s the same phenomena except it’s the summer.”

Mr. Spencer called the former vice president’s analysis “some sort of pseudo-meteorological gobbledygook.”

“What made Harvey rain totals exceptional was the system stalled next to the coast, which was due to a very temporary weakening of atmospheric steering currents,” said Mr. Spencer. “Virtually the whole month of August was below normal in temperature over most of the U.S., not what global warming theory predicts at all.”

He cited a graph of all major hurricane strikes in Florida since 1900 showing no increase in frequency or intensity as measured by wind speed. The worst hurricane on record to strike Florida was the 1935 Labor Day hurricane, one of only three storms on record to make U.S. landfall at Category 5.

If there is a trend, it’s that hurricanes seem to come in waves. The period from 1941 to 1961 was especially active for hurricanes making landfall, followed by a dip in the 1980s, then peaking again in 2004 and 2005.

Based on the frequency of Category 4 or higher hurricanes striking the continent since 1851, he said, “we should get two Cat 4+ strikes once every 50 years, on average,” which hasn’t happened in 150 years, meaning “we were overdue.”

Far more unusual is the 12-year hurricane drought, he said, which should occur based on probability once every 250-300 years, but so far nobody is attributing that fortunate happenstance to climate change.

“You can come up with all kinds of hurricane statistics which don’t mean much,” Mr. Spencer said. “Florida was hit by Cat 4 hurricanes four years in a row, in 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950. Then when Andrew hit in 1992, it had been 32 years since a Cat 4 hurricane had hit Florida. It doesn’t mean anything.”

AC
AC
  Administrator
September 21, 2017 7:03 pm

Jennifer Lawrence should stick to doing amateur porn.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  AC
September 21, 2017 7:52 pm

Actually she should greatly expand her work in amateur porn – and post it to her cloud account where everyone can get access to it.

Kauf Buch
Kauf Buch
September 21, 2017 3:32 pm

Poor, widdle Muck.
Must not get enough pizza, sex and sleep.
Try that, and I’m *SURE* your hysteria over
THEWORLDISGOINGTOENDWEREALLGOINGTODIE
will go away in good time.

“Thoughts and candles” for your speedy – and environmentally-friendly – recovery!

Subwo
Subwo
  Kauf Buch
September 21, 2017 5:41 pm

That has almost been said in real life situations. About 35 years ago a submarine was on sea trials after an overhaul at a navel shipyard. The ship almost pointed vertically downwards upon diving due to improper weight distribution. My leading petty officer announced as he stood between the torpedo tubes. This is Petty Officer (blank) I’minchargewereallgonnadie! Of course, no one did but as I recall he had a strong case of yellow fever. Something about Asian women and showers.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
September 21, 2017 3:35 pm

The US government holds 175 patents on weather manipulation technology. Those who will profit heavily from government force, government edicts, and government regulations being applied to industry and carbon usage, have been telling us for several years now that “weather will become more severe” with “climate change” (the new catch phrase now that global cooling didn’t happen and global warming didn’t either). Trump gets elected despite the best efforts of many of those same profiteers. Then he pulls us out of the Paris Accords. Then magically this hurricane season “produces” 3 Category 4/5 storms in a row that decimate huge swaths of two US states and one US slave colony (aka territory). Coincidence??? Follow the money. And if you don’t honestly think that the US government (and by that I don’t mean Trump, but rather the Deep State that ACTUALLY runs the government) would murder hundreds, thousands, or even millions of people to achieve their political and financial goals, then you must have missed the 19th and 20th centuries (and the first 17 years of the 21st century).

Lawfish
Lawfish
September 21, 2017 4:05 pm

Climate change has existed on this planet since it coalesced around 4.5 billion years ago. Hot and cold. Ever wonder what happens when the earth gets too warm? It expands and seismic and volcanic activity increase, resulting in huge eruptions and earthquakes, shooting billions of tons of dust into the atmosphere and creating an artificial winter, which sends the temperature back to cooling, which reinforces its effect as more and more ice form in lower latitudes until we reach another ice age.

Bubba
Bubba
September 21, 2017 4:08 pm

When the academic and government models get it something right I’ll pay more attention. So far not SINGLE model has been correct. I see this just another scam to generate money for governments.


In all of history, no government became more honest, less corrupt, or respected its citizen’s rights more as it grew in size. E.L. 2016

nkit
nkit
September 21, 2017 4:19 pm

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doug
doug
September 21, 2017 4:30 pm

Mr.Liberty gets the prize for best comment. Follow the money…..

Undeniable
Undeniable
September 21, 2017 5:03 pm

Speaking of patents:

Extensive List of PATENTS

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
September 21, 2017 5:17 pm

Geezus! Not this shit again.

I’d me infinitely more inclined to believe that intentional weather modification programs are to blame. Why is it that the man caused GW crowd never brings THAT shit up?

Explain the summer that never was in the Arctic this year. Howz aboot the lack of hurricanes in the past decade?

Even IF man caused the fucking problem, it only means that he had no fucking idea what he was doing then and NOTHING suggests that man has any fucking real idea of how to fix it now except to tax the shit out of us so that our owners can get richer and exert more control over us.

Humans are their own worst enemy.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 5:17 pm

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barefoot
barefoot
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 5:49 pm

Skies look real nice here in the NE the last few days, on the edge of the hurricane system, don’t they HSF? Sprayed right to shit and even if you can’t see lines at a given moment you can see that the sky itself is whiter with aerosol saturation than any clouds are!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 5:23 pm

Let me see if I understand the premise.

Human beings have altered the global climate and it is now up to human beings to alter the climate some more, only in a different direction. Because thermostats.

It takes a special kind of crazy.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  hardscrabble farmer
September 21, 2017 10:26 pm

Not just humans, Americans. Who else could be so fucking stupid but to believe it?

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
September 21, 2017 6:02 pm

Muck, btw, good job stirring up the monkeys!

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
September 21, 2017 6:02 pm

MA doesn’t listen/read.
The other day, he stated we (humans) are putting tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.
I replied that any excess heat in the atmosphere is expelled to outer space – this is proven.

Think about this Muck: Molecules of CO2 don’t stay in the atmosphere – there is a time limit, else the earth would have burst into flames a Billion years ago.

BTW, 96% of CO2 in the atmosphere is from Natural Sources; only 4% is anthropogenic.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

AZEK, how would carbon dioxide cause the earth to burst into flames? I suspect you didn’t read the instructions right on that deck installation. At least 2 other morans think CO2 is an oxidizer.

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
  EL Coyote
September 21, 2017 11:33 pm

Coyote….MA and Alarmists say that human emitted CO2 added to the atmosphere is heating the earth Catastrophically.

MA (and probably you) thinks this daily/weekly/monthly/yearly added CO2 will just accumulate to boil the oceans.

I was being slightly comical with the ‘burst into flames’. Didn’t you ever see the Al Gore pic with a huge ball of flame coming out of his mouth directed at the earth?

Mike
Mike
September 21, 2017 6:29 pm

If I can make you scared then I can sell you protection or a solution.

xrugger
xrugger
September 21, 2017 7:27 pm

Sorry Muck, but with regard to this particular subject, you are a boringly typical, kool-aid drinking, false-narrative buying, pearl-clutching maroon.

Besides, think of the upside just in case you’re right (you’re not): Musk ox and caribou frolicking in verdant Alaskan pastures. New shipping lanes in the far north. New ports with names like Hotenoughforya and Wheredidalltheicego. Lots of new jobs they don’t want for the Inuit (Eskimos for all you retrograde, knuckle-draggers out there). Beach resorts on the coasts of Greenland to which un-drowned spring breakers could travel. Iceland could change it’s name to…Noicejustland.

How about way fewer Bangladeshis?… Bangladeshians?… Banladeshites?… Bangladesherinos? How about way less people from Bangladesh. Fewer Dutch (and who doesn’t want that). Slack-jawed Appalachian hillbillies would evolve into lazy islanders and lazy islanders would evolve into…dead people.

Oh the possibilities. If only it were true.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 21, 2017 8:18 pm

Muck – I might be prepared to listen to global warming theories except for this:

The fucking scientists have been caught time and again manipulating and falsifying data, “smoothing” and re-calculating data, etc., time and again. Over and over. It is impossible to believe anything they say.

If they simply took the coldest temp of each day of the year in say NY for the last 100 years, and averaged it out and posted it, and it showed a trend, well, fair enough. Ditto for the hottest temp. And do this ffor say 100 points around the globe. No manipulation – just give me a fucking average hot and cold temp for 100 places from all over the planet over 100 years, and I will have a starting point as to see what is going on.

But n-o-o-o. What those motherfuckers do is manipulate data to fit their hypothesis.

And so, they “claim” that temps are rising. But ice sheets are expanding massively in recent years. How does that make sense? How can I trust anything they say?

Not to mention it may be just a natural occurring variation happening, as has happened for millions of years.

Maybe -maybe- it is man-made warming. But the damn scientists screwed the pooch by falsifying data.

In any event, I am located high enough I cannot give a shit if sea levels rise a foot or two. I will keep driving, and I am not turning off my lights.

Talk to the Chinese. They are the issue anyway.

Gator
Gator
  Llpoh
September 22, 2017 1:10 am

Come on, they are lying, changing, or manipulating any data. It’s called ‘seasonal adjustments’. Haven’t you ever read a BLS report?

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
September 21, 2017 8:27 pm

Muck, don’t know you, but you’re takin a beating here. Lived next to the ocean my whole life. Swimming and surfing . The ocean’s different. The waves are different, something’s wrong. The bay rises and floods with an irregularity, that’s weird. The marshes I grew up with are condos, the rising water has nowhere to go. Ten years from now these jerkoffs will need a boat to get anywhere. Too stupid to listen to you or envision what’s coming their way, Mother Nature’s freight train.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Dennis Roe
September 21, 2017 9:08 pm

But all those folks a couple feet higher up will be beach front. Winners and losers.

When CA falls into the ocean, same applies. Actually, come to think of it, that will be just a win overall.

Gator
Gator
  Dennis Roe
September 22, 2017 1:13 am

Associating flooding and water problems in places where morons built condos on what was until recently a swamp with global warming is stupid. You can agree we have done some really stupid things with developments in a lot of coast areas without hoping on board the global warming train.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
September 21, 2017 9:34 pm

I been fishing the Galveston Jettys since 1965 and I can still see them just fine.
I am a climate change denier and proud of it!
Also: On January 20, 1965, the high temperature in Houston was 72 degrees. While it is certain that Barry Goldwater lost to LBJ, who was inaugurated that day, it’s also certain that there was no (((GLOBAL WARMING))) back then either.
We called it Indian summer.

Huck Finn
Huck Finn
September 21, 2017 9:42 pm

Anthropomorphic global warming or climate change is a thesis of the hegelian dialectic. Basically what is going on is you have actors who pull the levers of power who would like to see a desired outcome like a communist one world government, who then either create or invent a problem, which causes fear and panic, then they offer a solution to the problem, which always furthers their agenda.

If you watch any of the propaganda being put out by the environmental movement concerning climate change the solution they offer is always more collectivism. Ownership of private property needs to be abolished, central control and central planning are needed to keep the stupid masses in line and not screwing up the planet. The environmental movement has been co-opted by collectivists, much the same way that the conservative movement got co-opted by the war party. (it’s unpatriotic to be anti-war you know).

If my idea of freedom conflicts with your idea of freedom then neither of us can be free until everyone agrees to be a slave.

Mustang
Mustang
September 21, 2017 9:48 pm

Hey Muck, the earth has been cooling and warming naturally ever since Jesus Christ created it 6,000 years ago. Maybe the one who needs to pull his head out of his ass is you!!!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Mustang
September 21, 2017 10:05 pm

I love it……some of you retards just make it too easy.

I’m not up on my bible studies as I’m not a big believer is sky spirits and such….to each his own. However, for you to come on here flipping Muck or anybody shit after posting that Haysus Christo created da Earf is the pinnacle of assclown retardedness.

I won’t even address the 6000 year old claim as your your first claim demonstrates that YOU are the one who needs a tractor and logging chain to pull your head out of your ass! Now slink back off to HuffPo or wherever you emanated from.

Hardhead
Hardhead
September 21, 2017 10:10 pm

I have been going to Marco Island Florida for 40 years and have owned 2 homes there. They were 10 feet 3 inches above sea level. 10 feet was considered flood level so your house had to be 3 inches above that.

Most homes are on canals built in the 40’s and 50’s. There has been NO
rise in the sea level relative to those homes and canals in 50 years. None,
zero, not a millimeter

Now 50 years isn’t a particularly long period but Al Gore had Miami under water by 2014 if I remember correctly. These warmers are
simply nuts!!