Cliché Series # 5: Perceiving Profiles Confined Within Certain Configurations

By Doug “Uncola” Lynn via TheBurningPlatform.com

Whenever anyone uses the term conspiracy theory or calls someone a conspiracy theorist in any debate, they are, in most instances, revealing their own contempt prior to investigation.  This is, in fact, an exemplification of prejudice even by those claiming their minds are open.  In truth, they are not willing to consider any evidence that might challenge what they have previously decided to be untrue, or unproven; these, of course, being two very separate prospects.

If people were intellectually honest they would acknowledge, at the very least, the POSSIBILITY of SOME truth behind what they designate as “conspiracy”. Or, should they wish to engage in the discussion, they would debate using opposing facts; or any additional contravening corroboration behind their perspectives and ideological positioning.

This, of course, requires some level of enthusiasm to discuss any given subject and a moderate comprehension of the elementary facts regarding the stated topic.  Sadly, for most people, they lack both, and when they cannot muster the energy to converse, acknowledge alternative possibilities, or present opposing arguments, they will then either engage in ad hominem labeling or attempt to characterize any perceived contradicting evidence as “conspiracy”.

Perhaps they do this as a defense mechanism in order to ensure the continuity of their worldview.  Or it could simply be the result of apathy, laziness, fear, or pride.  Or maybe most folks just don’t like loose ends.

Nevertheless, these are the people who comprise the majority of American citizens today. The same folks who swallow, hook, line, and sinker, that the September 11, 2012 attack on the American Embassy in Benghazi, Libya was caused by a YouTube video; and that the Russians hacked the 2016 Presidential Election.

Talk about conspiracy theories!

 

 

Yet, these same people will label others as conspiratorial tinfoil-hat-wearing nutjobs for questioning how Building 7 fell in its own footprint; or how donations to the Clinton Foundation came from Uranium One (even though it was reported by the mainstream media years ago); or regarding Hillary Clinton’s, and the Democratic National Committee’s, involvement with the phony Russian “Golden Shower” Dossier  on Trump.

How could this be possible?  Maybe because the word “conspiracy” simultaneously eliminates the need for both critical thinking and accountability; and, perhaps, “blind and stupid” is a simpler and more sedate way to live as the Sheeple march in unified lockstep; lemmings bound for the inevitable cliff.

Obviously, it’s because they fail to:

Read between the lines.

If they could, they would understand how the Mainstream Media, the Democratic Party, and the Establishment Republicans like John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Bob Corker , Jeff Flake, and others, have merged into a single entity. They would realize how the handful of corporations comprising the Mainstream Media has morphed into the Marketing and Public Relations arm for the Global Financial Establishment.  An entity comprised of the aforementioned lawmakers in Congress, the media, international banking conglomerates, monolithic corporate behemoths, Silicon Valley tech firms, the entertainment industry, and the entire deep state military industrial apparatus; all of whom have pledged their fealty to a small group of elite globalist billionaires and their sinister agenda of world domination.

 

 

The Mueller investigation of Trump and the special prosecutor’s recent indictments against Paul Manafort and others are the political equivalent of guerilla tactics in order to position for maximum political disruption against the Trump administration.  By means of vague innuendo and false accusations, the Political Establishment has conspired to utilize the Russian election-hacking lie in order to discover, or manufacture, any missing link that will legally stick to Trump so he will be impeached or forced to resign. This is also why, at the same time, the Lamestream Media downplays Hillary Clinton’s high crimes and misdemeanors.

It is all so obvious a child could see it; but only those willing to:

Read between the lines.

The globalists must divide America so she will fall. The United States Constitution is all that remains between 2017 and global hegemony.  By refusing to see with their own eyes, so many people have become gullible, useful idiots. They have no clue what is about to happen to them. They’ve been fooled.

But how were they so deceived?  The answer is simple.  They believe what they were persuaded to believe.  And, when one considers the concepts of “belief” and “persuasion”, it calls to mind the following phase:

 

“If you don’t believe in something you will fall for anything”.

 

This phrase might also be inverted to say:

 

“If you do believe in anything, you will fall for something.”

 

What then is the foundation underlying each of the above ideological positions? What are the dangers either way?  When considering these questions, one must contemplate the concept of “truth”.  Is there actually a plumb line of separation between truth and falsehood? If so, is it universal, or is it relative?

Unfortunately, so many people don’t care to know and this may explain why they refuse to question any “official” narrative presented to them by the Corporate Media.

Moreover, instead of thinking on their own, it has become apparent that millions of Americans would rather remain forever numb in an opiate-induced stupor.  This explains why President Trump, on Thursday, October 26, 2017, declared the opioid epidemic to be a national public health emergency.  Speaking from the East Room of the White house, he said:

 

Nobody has seen anything like what is going on now.  As Americans, we cannot allow this to continue.  It is time to liberate our communities from this scourge of drug addiction….

We can be the generation that ends the opioid epidemic. We can do it.

An astonishing 90% of the heroin in America comes from south of the border — where we will be building a wall — which will greatly help in this problem.

 

Too many, however, will consider this as just more buzzkill from a wall-building fascist; or bullshit artist.

Perhaps it is because so many Americans acutely realize the deception and corruption permeated all throughout the Western societies today and this is why they have turned to addictions, piercings, tattoos, faux wealth, video games, virtual reality, rioting in the streets, and whatever else for relief.  Maybe a significant number of Americans today are internally corrupt themselves and this explains why so many have desired to give Hillary Clinton a perpetual hug; even as they tar and feather Hollywood Harvey Weinstein.  It seems their hands have grown heavy with what they crave as they lead lives of rampant consumerism, or while dreaming of Democratic Socialism, both outward manifestations of internal black holes filled with silent desperation and raging despair.

Which raises a few more questions:  If so many Americans have chosen wrong, are they not doomed in the end anyway?  Does any of it even matter?  Or, in other words, what difference, at this point, does it make? What if America deserves to die?

Even so, if people would just open their eyes and see, they could:

Read between the lines.

Entire landscapes would come into focus.  Their perspectives would change and they would become more than mere puppets with perception. They would see a world worth reaching.

 

 

They would realize their entire universe had become an electric grid created by those desiring to enslave them.  They would choose the red pill. They would, in turn, see the Matrix:

 

 

Things are not always what they seem.  Our eyes can be deceptive. Just when we think we are reading the handwriting on the wall, we might, instead, see how we failed to:

Read between the lines.

 

 

Author: Uncola

I am one who has found the road less traveled while remaining a whiskered, whispering witness to the world. I hope what you just considered was worth the price and time spent. www.TheTollOnline.com

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Ouirphuqd
Ouirphuqd
November 2, 2017 7:14 am

And the Astros really didn’t win the 2017 World Series, wait a minute, let me check with the DNC!

Bilco
Bilco
November 2, 2017 7:35 am

Excellent article. I have found on many occasions when trying to open peoples eyes the deadly sin of pride rears its ugly head. We live in the age of constant news. When the narrative is controlled,and relentlessly fed to people. They will view it as the truth,and anything different must be a lie. This turns many people into thinking they know everything about everything,and can never be wrong. Then all they need is one or two others to laugh and ridicule your point’s As hard is it is to admit….Perhaps the author is right.When he say’s” Perhaps America is getting what it deserves”

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2017 7:46 am

“Whenever anyone uses the term conspiracy theory or calls someone a conspiracy theorist in any debate, they are, in most instances, revealing their own contempt prior to investigation.”

False!

You are making a HUGE assumption that the person crying “conspiracy” hasn’t already done their investigation.

You are in no position to assess if the person has “contempt’. Or, can you read hearts and minds?

When you accuse a person of “contempt”, it is YOU who is being judgmental. It is YOU who is shutting down debate right from the start. It is an insult to the other person.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 10:12 am

You are sensitive to mentions of Building 7. I think what Undermined wants to emphasize from between the lines (and I speak only from the impression I get from first reading) is how easily most people who consume the media product without regard for quality simply accept what they are told at first hearing.

My walking partner said there was another shooting at a Walmart in Colorado. We are being conditioned to accept a world where crazy people just fucking shoot people or run them down on sidewalks. If you go back just ten years and listen to an idiot declaring he was going to Fundamental Change this country and realize HE FUCKING DID IT by changing immigration laws, allowing his “people” to enter this country and start receiving stipends (they were used to getting those from the House of Saud you must realize… as long as they “kept it in the family” and were “pure Saud” they got a check. Is why marrying cousins is approved by Islam.)

I digress, which is what I do. Stucky, I get that you think people are too easily distracted by claims of conspiracy. Personally, I think the correct thing to say is that the Media are Lying Whores and everyone should do as I’ve done. Turn the Sluts OFF.

Now, my husband checks Drudge and his Cleveland Browns forum and I check here, Silver Bear and a couple other Christian forums for “news” and then I do what it is I do around here. Today, we are continuing to harvest flat rocks from the three dry creek beds on our land. Snakes are either underground or so sluggish they don’t coil and strike when discovered under a rock, so it is a good time to get some river rock and save ourselves a thousand dollars.

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Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 11:32 am

Wow Maggie that looks awesome! And a lot of hard work, too!
We’re headed down your way.. St Genevieve and Cape G.

Gotta have some fun now and then.

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
November 2, 2017 11:45 am

No Shit???

We are on our way to Cape right NOW.

If you are going to be in the medical park area, perhaps we might meet. If not, definitely a future date.

Check out Annie-Ems at Home on the River walk. She is my best friend’s daughter.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 11:55 am

It’s on my list of places to go.

We will be in St Genevieve later this afternoon. I think we are going to Cape G Saturday. Leaving Sunday.

Is an email exchange possible?

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
November 2, 2017 12:14 pm

Deleted

That is my incognito addy. Reply ok and i will delete.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 12:29 pm

reviews.birdeye.com/annie-ems-antiques-gifts-149153780235205

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
November 3, 2017 9:31 am

MC? Did you get my email, Addy?

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 9:47 am

Mags

Is it THAT HARD to type “address” instead of “addy”??? It’s just three more fucken letters, all of them grouped together on the keyboard, fer Chrissakes!

You Millennial wannabe.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 10:12 am

There, I fixed it. I AM a millennial wannabe. I wish I could just NOT care about what is happening in the world, fixate on my electronic filter with which to view the world and be blissfully unaware that the sky is falling around us.

I want to be like this guy, who misses the J-DAWG too.

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Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 6:23 pm

Maggie, no I didn’t. I just now had a chance to check my email.
Pretty dog. Is it Pyraneese?

RiNS
RiNS
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 6:50 pm

looking good Maggie! Post pictures when done. I would love too see how it turned out. Might do another project at Cottage next summer and the river rock is much more economical than the flagstone I just used at house.

MetaCynic
MetaCynic
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 2:12 am

Those who have done their investigation and are knowledgeable about a current topic of importance have no need to label a “conspiracy theorist” someone who challenges their belief. Confident in their knowledge, they should simply explain why they are right and the person challenging their position is wrong. The fact that they are name calling is reason enough to regard them as brain washed, ignorant and close minded.

Stucky
Stucky
  MetaCynic
November 4, 2017 7:39 am

” … have no need to LABEL l a “conspiracy theoris”

LABELING is what humans do, ALL the time, all day long. A better word might be “categorize”. We humans are labelers and categorizes. It helps us make sense of the world.

Why do conspiracy folk get upset when other call them conspiracies? If the shoe fits, right? It’s just a “label” saying you believe that you believe the official story line is bogus. Why not view it as a compliment?

Yes, I understand the other side of the coin … that it just as easily can be used as a pejorative. In that case, just tell that person to go suck Diseased Donkey Dick. Lol

Hey, you also labeled people in your response, saying that the person crying “conspiracy theorists!” is — “brain washed, ignorant and close minded.”

And that’s exactly the recipe for a good shitfest. “You’re a conspiracy nut!”, it starts out. “Yeah, well, you’re a close minded ignoramus!”, responds the other lovingly. “Fuck you!!”. “No, double fuck you!!”. Lol And were off to the races!

Leland
Leland
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 5:19 pm

hey Stucky, you misread. Try reading the “in most instances” part to comprehend the authors
message. When finding fault is your self centered purpose, in most instances, you remain blind.

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2017 8:03 am

“This is, in fact, an exemplification of prejudice even by those claiming their minds are open.”

False!!

This is the universal cry of those who put forth a “conspiracy theory” that is met with skepticism …. “You don’t have an open mind!!!

This is pure crazy talk for the same reason given above.

You simply don’t know shit from shinola regarding my mind. More assumptions. More name calling. More shutting down the other person.

Accusing a person of “prejudice” and a closed mind can result in nothing except a subsequent shit fest.

derp
derp
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 12:24 pm

Shut up ya stupid whiney faggot. As if his article is a personal attack on you. Get a fucking life. You dominate every thread on this site, mostly with inane bullshit, what a fucking loser.

This site is really falling off the last year or two. Uncola pieces are one of the few things I still come here for and this jackass from New Jersey just can’t help himself from shitting all over this fine article detailing how fucking simple minded most people are.

Just like you other stupid fucks that get your panties in a bunch whenever someone talks about the human manipulation of/changing environment. You don’t know shit.

The idiot assholes that voted in/allowed the traitors free run of this country are getting everything they deserve. The sooner this fucker burns the sooner there is a chance for rational/natural life.

Virtually everything in politics and on grand scales is a conspiracy you fuckin twit. It’s one or more people deceiving others to benefit themselves.

IT’S THE WAY OF THE FUCKING WORLD.

Stucky
Stucky
  derp
November 2, 2017 1:24 pm

“You dominate every thread on this site” ——— twerp

Not even close to being true. Here are the current top 12 articles

IT’S JUST A RIDE — no comments from me

The Federal Reserve Strikes Again! — no comments from me

FM’s Quote of the Day — no comments from me

GOP Tax Plan “Talking Point” Highlights Released — no comments from me

Automotive Anomalies — no comments from me

MOTHER OF THE YEAR — COMMENTS!

Tesla announces worst quarter ever, Model 3 delays — COMMENTS!

Holy Name of Jesus, STOP WORKING Folks! — no comments from me

THE GREAT SNAKE OF RISK — no comments from me

Twitter Admits It Buried “Podesta Email” — no comments from me

THIS DAY IN HISTORY – Spruce Goose flies — COMMENTS!

WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT HAVE MADE? — no comments from me

——

Gee, the first 12 articles on this page, and I only commented on three of them. What can we learn from this? Well, 100 things;

1. You are a liar. A HUGE liar.

2. You are a snowflake, easily offended by imaginary things. Perhaps even your own shadow.

3. People here should ignore you from here on out … not that anyone really ever paid attention to you in the first place.

4. People should ignore you.
.
.
100. People should ignore you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 1:33 pm

I wish there was a feature identifying articles Stucky has commented on so I can focus on those.

Maybe another feature showing an article to be YoBo free, I’d check those out also, but that sounds like an impossible dream right there.

Imagine there’s no YoBo spam,
I wonder if you can..

M G
M G
  Stucky
February 17, 2020 3:54 pm

What can we learn from this? Well, 100 things;

1. You are a liar. A HUGE liar.

2. You are a snowflake, easily offended by imaginary things. Perhaps even your own shadow.

3. People here should ignore you from here on out … not that anyone really ever paid attention to you in the first place.

4. People should ignore you.
.
.
100. People should ignore you

Classic Stucky!

Stucky
Stucky
  derp
November 2, 2017 1:33 pm

“This site is really falling off the last year or two.: ——– twerp

Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Before you leave, let me first offer my deepest gratitude for all you’ve done here. All the awesome original articles you wrote. Such deep insights. All the other articles from other web sites you submitted. All the awesome comments. All the funny sayings and cute quirks you have. Thank you for challenging us, and making us think with your deep insights; on life, politics, just about everything. If we TBPers went to Maggie’s farm to eat, drink, and be merry around the campfire … I’m sure we’d we there until 4AM telling each other all our fond memories of you.

You are just THAT great. The greatest ever here. You will be sorely missed.

BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 1:36 pm

I miss jFish.

nkit
nkit
  Anonymous
November 2, 2017 2:48 pm

Alas, poor jFish…We hardly knew him…

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Stubb
Stubb
  nkit
November 2, 2017 3:21 pm

Good old Just Fuck It Shit Happens. Sometimes I think he’s still around.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stubb
November 2, 2017 5:45 pm

He otter let us know. jFish, if you can hear us, knock three times, old boy. We’ll do what we can to release tour spirit from the terrestrial bounds.

nkit
nkit
  Stubb
November 2, 2017 6:34 pm

No, he’s Uncle DL…He’s been resurrected. Seems that he is doing swimmingly, and moving upstream.

nkit
nkit
  Stubb
November 2, 2017 6:39 pm

Btw, good one Stubb

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stubb
November 2, 2017 6:46 pm

nutty, he was resurrected into Unresurrected. The prior iteration went away like Pirsig’s ‘Phaedrus’.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stubb
November 3, 2017 7:34 am

WAS a good one Stubb.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stubb
November 3, 2017 7:37 am

Me Hoe, tadpole is going on tour with Stucky in a back and forth article I’ve graciously offered to cut, splice and edit into a seemingly seamless masterpiece. It will be Master Bait for more readers to replace smerf.

Tadpole likes to play on words, dontcha know?

M G
M G
  nkit
February 17, 2020 3:53 pm

Okay, I was traveling back in time to check out some old spitfights and came across this gem of a thread from Long Ago and Far Away.

Is worth a re-visit.

I was just about to get real sick and am blaming the very bad otter joke and this picture (joke is below).

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 7:32 am

We do NOT eat, drink and be merry at deer camp. We are very, very quiet. Huntin’ you know.

By the way, I am hoping to MEET Mary Christine face to face in Cape Girardeau, Missouri this weekend. Any other TBPers close enough for a meet and greet? MC, are you up for a little face time? When Admin and a few met a few years ago, they drank beer and shot the shit. We shall go antiquing and chat about the lovely shops on the riverwalk. There is a lovely Italian restaurant there. People like the Cajun food around the corner from Annie Ems at Home on Main, but I love good Italian food that I didn’t have to actually cook and clean up for.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 6:28 pm

Maggie, I had to be polite and stay off the internet. We are with friends. Went to Cape G today.
Will be in Saint Genevieve all day Saturday, though.
I’ll try to check in later if you think you might make it there.

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
November 3, 2017 8:03 pm

I have a gmail email address (apparently Stuckmeister has an issue with using addy). [email protected].
I’ll leave it here for a few minutes, then delete.

St. Genevieve is a possibility… email me and we’ll figure it out.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 9:42 pm

Oops. I didn’t get back here. Oh, well. I rarely get onto that account anyway. It is just one I use for this sort of purpose. If I start getting tons of email from weirdo pervs (that I don’t LIKE to read) I’ll delete the account and start anew.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 9:03 pm

Another time, Maggie. Missouri is small. 3 hr drive and we can meet just about anywhere in the state.

Stucky
Stucky
  derp
November 2, 2017 1:37 pm

If only your father insisted on a blowjob, you wouldn’t even be here.

Ain’t that sumthin?

yup
yup
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 6:54 pm

To my feeble brain it is not what a man says or doesn’t say, what he reveals or doesn’t reveal, as an interlocutor or otherwise……but what he does. Universal comments generate inappropriate hostility from respondents seeking to minimize valid insight of a larger context which may not read 100% accurate in letter but scores a home run in overall content. Aren’t you getting enough attention at home? Have a fine day, bro.

Yuppers

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2017 8:04 am

“In Iruth, they are not willing to consider any evidence that might challenge what they have previously decided to be untrue, or unproven;”

Blatantly False!!!

Krist Almighty, more assumptions. How in the hell do you know they are not willing to consider ANY new evidence??

One problem with just about any “conspiracy” believer is that they present the SAME evidence over and over … hoping to convince the other person after repeating the same thing for the 123rd time.

Just look at the 9-11 stuff … has anything NEW appeared here in the last few years? Nope. Just regurgitations. And then when one doesn’t accept the same old shit heard a thousand times before … out comes The Accusation, “evidence denier!!”

—-

It’s also like the pot calling the kettle black. You’re projecting. Because it is a fact that the person championing the conspiracy is equally prone to not considering any evidence.

Consider just one aspect of 9-11. Building 7. Over and over Truthers will loudly cry out —-“Nothing hit the building!!”. Now, there are ample pictures and videos which show gaping holes and destruction from debris falling from the other tower. Will a Truther consider this evidence? Historically, no. So much for conspiracy folk willing to consider any evidence.

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 8:31 am

Stucky….did the jab at WTC 7 have something to do with your attack on the author?
It could be a normal (automatic) response to someone attacking your belief.

I think this is a good and fair question.

Stucky
Stucky

I didn’t make a jab about WTC 7. Just used it as an example.

I have ZERO intent on attacking the author, whom I like and respect. Just having a lively discussion.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 7:48 am

Stucky and Tadpole
Sitting in a Tree
Tee Aye Elkay Eye In Gee

One says Conspiracy
One says Prove ‘Er
All of us are watching
To see the best maneuver.

(Disclaimer: “To see who Moves the other” seemed a bit squishy. Maneuver is more of a battle word. More Manly.)

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 10:03 am

Stucky,

I’ve always believed that what we can plainly see and what is accepted generally as true with regards to politics etc is so strange that it (common knowledge) alone should cause enough pause for concern that we don’t have to engage in very much speculation to see that things are fucked up in our world.

But.

Anyone who thinks that building 7 collapsed into its own footprint at warp speed due to _some_ structural damage (mostly on the exterior) and a few fires is so ignorant of basic engineering and reality that they cannot be helped.

Interestingly, the MSM has done such a good job burying this topic that about 90% of the people I ever spoke to about it did not even realize a third building collapsed. Most were surprised when I told them.

To make my point a little further I refer you to this:

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Interesting that after the allies finished bombing Dresden that many of the buildings, all of which would have been built to lower engineering standards that WTC7 was, are partly destroyed and have sustained a lot more damage than WTC7 did on 911 but do not appear to have fallen into their own footprint as a result.

Go figure.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Francis Marion
November 2, 2017 5:50 pm

“Anyone who thinks that building 7 collapsed into its own footprint at warp speed due to _some_ structural damage..”

How did pancaked at freefall speed (32.174 ft/sec) turn into light speed (9.836e+8 ft/sec)?

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Anonymous
November 2, 2017 8:23 pm

Poetic license.

Maggie
Maggie
  Francis Marion
November 3, 2017 7:50 am

Bullshit Permit?

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 10:19 am

Potatoe, putatoe

Maggie
Maggie
  Francis Marion
November 4, 2017 4:29 pm

Tater. This is possibly 189.

M G
M G
  Maggie
February 17, 2020 3:57 pm

Good Lord, Bullshit Permit for Poetic License was really quite clever 2017 Maggie Me! I think I’ll use it again!

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Anonymous
November 4, 2017 4:35 pm

Actually 32.174 ft/sec/sec. Acceleration (rate of change of velocity), not speed. And speed is average velocity, which is itself rate of change of position.

INTJ mechanical engineer.

RiNS
RiNS
  Rdawg
November 4, 2017 6:43 pm

Nice of you to differentiate on that one dawg.

DRUD
DRUD
  Francis Marion
November 3, 2017 1:52 pm

Please everyone stop using the term Freefall “Speed.” It demonstrates a complete lack of physics knowledge which can easily be exploited.
Gravity is a force and forces applied create accelerations.
Gravitation accelertion in earth gravitational field is ~32ft/sec/SEC or 32 ft/sec^2.
Light speed is ~3 x 108 meters/second. This is a speed.
A light-year is a measurement of distance and not of time.
Today’s physics lesson is now concluded.

Maggie
Maggie
  DRUD
November 4, 2017 4:33 pm

I suggest the confusion about Free Falling is related to this video.

Rest in Peace, Tom.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 2, 2017 8:19 am

Last night my recently adopted sister and I were talking about my legal issues with Idaho DH&W when the subject of govt employees came up. She said that it must be a miserable life to have a govt job where even mediocrity is too much to strive for. I said that most govt employees probably start out with big ambition. At first they probably have the ability to see the problems (read between the lines) and come up with simple and effective solutions but are prevented from doing so by inane rules and procedures and other employees who introduce them to the concepts of “good enough for govt work” and “go along to get along”.

We both agreed that we’d rather dig ditches all day in hardpan than have a soul sucking govt job. At the end of the day though, most people are perfectly ok with the inanity and drudgery of such jobs in return for the pension and bennies for life ponzi scheme they don’t see because they won’t or can’t read between the lines.

Those of us that can read between the lines are probably about equal to the number of INTJ’s in the world. We’re the ones who can’t NOT read between the lines. Our lives, freedoms and values degrade because too many aren’t willing to rock the boat because going along to get along is far easier. We’re simply outnumbered by the meek. Even if you offered them a true red pill/blue pill option, most would choose blue all day long.

The concept of America does not deserve to die. What deserves to die is the govt that is “big enough to give you everything”. We don’t need big fixes to right the ship we just need to get back to the basics of the original intent behind America. However, our masters know that requires rocking the boat and the go along to get along sheople won’t be doing that. So…..we wait for collapse to thin out those who couldn’t survive the govt that “is also big enough to take everything away from you.” Maybe then the numbers will be in our favor?

I originally intended to do a post here about my experiences with Idaho DH&W but early on I realized that it’s not possible to convey the level of bullshit I’m dealing with even in a 10,000 page manifesto! All of it started with me asking what I had to do to be in full compliance with the rules. It went downhill from there and eleven months in, I still don’t know what I need to do to be in compliance. I even have a US Congessman that wants to help me out but it’s a State issue and the state just tells the fed govt to fuck off. The crazy part is that the Federal govt apparently has no say in how states administer federally provided Medicaid funds. Frankly I can’t see how the system functions at all. It must just be running on shear momentum from a saner time.

When the financial reality of the various govt pension systems finally sets in, the collapse in govt services is going to be horrific. Once the barely competent govt employees see that their pensions and bennies are gone forever, every nook and cranny of the “govt big enough to give you everything” will just cease to function. That is what preps are all about…surviving that 30-90 day window of pandalerium when the sheople lose their fucking minds!

Uncola
Uncola
  IndenturedServant
November 2, 2017 10:22 am

@ I.S. – I enjoyed reading your comment more than I did writing the article.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 2:00 pm

LOL! Not sure why that would be Un.

I was just struck by the similarities between the microscopic bullshit I’m dealing with and the macro picture of bullshit that is our fed. gov. and the citizens role in it. In my case a simple 5 minute phone call with a human being would solve the problem. The reality of the fed. gov. problem is damn near as simple to solve by pure application of the supreme law of the land. It just boggles the mind that real solutions are available to real problems but there is no desire to go there.

Maggie
Maggie
  IndenturedServant
November 2, 2017 11:06 am

IS…I was going to write a post here (with my husband’s help even!) about the incredible fraud, waste and abuse we personally KNOW about in the MIC. After a trip to the area to visit with a few old comrades still in and around the dirty business, a call to a friend in DC who might or might not be impacted by such a discussion, and a long conversation with my husband about a woman named HollyO and what my Irish friend tells me about internet surveillance and control in the UK, we decided it wasn’t worth it. After all, we were just two low level former enlisted toads who happened to know a few people who worked at the Pentagon and ended up with a few Stars on Thars, as Dr. Seuss once said.

We jumped off the gravy train and settled out here. We have enough stacked to pay our taxes until we can’t anymore.

When they come to take us away, we will make our stand with honor and dignity. And we plan to be able to say to our son(s) “Know that we died well, together as one, which is more important than living well in constant fear.” Or something like that… I will have to work on That Final Message. Hopefully, I have a few years.

Believe it or not, it is funny you mention digging ditches. My plan for the afternoon is to plant big rocks along the driveway. There are some really interesting rocks in those old creek beds. We are less than twenty miles from Pilot Knob, a Civil War Battleground site and we find lots of interesting things where there were camp sites at one time. We will clear the area and get metal detectors and see what we can find. I hope your issues resolve with the evildoers soon so you can harvest rocks too.

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Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 11:07 am

Dunno why the image is not there. And, guess it doesn’t matter.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 12:32 pm

Not a jpeg? Always enjoy your common sense.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  IndenturedServant
November 2, 2017 12:49 pm

Nineteen minutes after I posted my comment above, my mother died. It was expected as I discontinued medical care per her DNR and Living Will last Monday. There’s no need for condolences since she was a rather miserable old witch who refused to take care of herself and if anyone didn’t like it…..”tough shit!”

I can’t even feel sad about it. She burned every bridge with every person in her life. My only hope is that she’s finally free of whatever mental imbalances she had and can finally find some peace.

I’m sure my legal battle with IDH&W will continue to keep her in my memories for months to come.

Stucky
Stucky
  IndenturedServant
November 3, 2017 5:36 am

I think the loss of an immediate family member is a sad thing. So, I has a sad for you.

I think losing an immediate family always leaves a hole in the soul, even if that family member was not the most pleasant to be around.

I think you will miss your mom … at least to some extent.

I think I know how you feel, truly, because my mom (and, dad) also have some big issues …. being “miserable” and having “mental imbalances” are absolutely definitely something I (we) know something about. Death will be her sweet release — she says so herself more and more these days. Yet, when that sweet release comes, I will miss her.

Per your request, I shall not offer condolences.

However, I want you to know that my thoughts will be with you all day today. I couldn’t stop that even if I wanted to … which I don’t.

Think of your mom as she once was, even before you knew her … a bouncing happy little baby, full of life and joy. Then stuff happened … life happened …. and robbed her of that joy. Maybe her fault, maybe not. But, I know she loved you. A mother’s love for her own child is always there, even though it may be deeply buried. And I know you love her. I know this because of your writings these past years …. you are a GOOD man. A good son.

“But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.”

Peace.

Maggie
Maggie
  IndenturedServant
November 3, 2017 7:55 am

You have my empathy. I have great sadness and angst regarding elder care and I can’t even bring myself to discuss most of it with anyone but my husband, who went through it with his own mother, whose senility made her very hard to cope with.

I wish you a peaceful resolution to all things. If you are a Believer, I will mention you in my prayers. If you are not, it shouldn’t matter to you whether I do or not.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  IndenturedServant
November 3, 2017 10:43 am

IS,

I come from a big family on both sides. I have lots of old relatives (on my dad’s side of the family I am one of the youngest cousins). Most seem to live late into life, the few that die young seem to go violently. One got sucked into a hay bailer years ago, another trampled by horses more recently, etc, etc. There have been a few exceptions but not many. I have quit getting busted up about death anymore and have learned to take lessons from the lives of others rather than mourning their passing. In fact, I am to the point where I find excessive gushing and blubbering over death to be somewhat childish. The one pass I give is the death of a child. Parents that have to go through that schtick have a tough road to travel. I hope to never experience it.

I think your perspective is the healthy one. To recognize someone’s life for what it was and to learn from it may be the healthiest way to approach an event like yours. Perspective and personal growth are two of God’s gift to man in this world (along with several others). Death sometimes creates that for us.

My grandfather is 97. He fought in WW2, helped pioneer a community and raised a family of five kids. As of the last two years, he is rotting and suffering from dementia in a nursing home. It’s undignified and not the way he envisioned living out the remainder of his time here. As such I am reminded of Stephen King’s words from Pet Cemetery: “Sometimes dead is better.” Death, which is inevitable, certainly is not the worst fate that can befall us.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  IndenturedServant
November 2, 2017 5:56 pm

Sir, nobody ever asks what they need to do to be in compliance. You don’t need to be fully in compliance, you just need a damn signature that says your in compliance.

Pangloss figured it out a long time ago: Just do everything they tell you to do and eventually they will have to leave you alone when you’ve done everything they ask.

The bitter bitch captured the gist and spirit of that logic with this: I don’t comply, I just do it.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
November 3, 2017 7:58 am

Look who is talking about signatures? Me Hoe, you are beyond approach.

Yes, I KNOW it is reproach, but am playing with words, like our tadpole loves to do.

Anonymous (EC)
Anonymous (EC)
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 2:04 pm

A certificate of compliance settles the matter, it is sealed with a signature instead of wax. That is why I injected that instrument into the question.

Hey, Magita, loved you maneuver comment. I will have something for you in Mother article later.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous (EC)
November 4, 2017 6:53 pm

Mother article. Is that a puzzle piece or do you mean “another” article?

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 2, 2017 8:28 am

My observation has been that most people I come in contact with don’t even have a long enough attention span to understand a simple explanation of any current event. You can see their eyes drifting around or glass-over if you actually try to explain things. I’ve got some good spiels on the economics, but I have to talk very fast and with a lot of expression to keep their attention. Many people have never investigated anything by doing research on the web and god forbid they would take the time to read a serious book. We are doomed. Also Stucky I think thou dost protest too much.

Dance Macabre Group
Diogenes

Vodka
Vodka
November 2, 2017 8:41 am

Just my inner-editor thinking out loud:

You make great points, but convey them with less than stellar writing. Too many commas. It slows the piece down.

Your spirit “rocks”. Let your prose “rock” too.

Let your writing have a Hunter S. Thompson ‘edge’ to it. If you do that, you might be great.

Believe it or not, I have immediate family who know about successful publishing.

Uncola
Uncola
  Vodka
November 2, 2017 10:25 am

Duly noted. Thanks Vodka

Maggie
Maggie
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 12:23 pm

Dully disregarded. If there was a market for written material we would all be rich and would charge by the word count.

Although I have a case of vodka too.

Vodka
Vodka
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 3:33 am

Maggs, quite a while back I accused you of being “a big bag of stupid”.

With every one of your keystrokes since then you have proven me correct.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Also: it’s spelled “duly”, not “dully”.

Maggie
Maggie
  Vodka
November 3, 2017 8:07 am

Vodka, thanks for the confirmation of my lack of intelligentsia . A big bag of stupid! I think you meant to say “quality red rope material.”

It will NOT impress you that I once told a very self-important person that if a few billion other people agreed with him about me, I might start to have a problem. Until then, I’m fine with “big bag of stupid.”

By the way, dully was a play on the words. Unedited likes his wit to be sharpened, while I prefer a duller version of humor.

Edit: I upvoted you, by the way.

Anonymous (EC)
Anonymous (EC)
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 2:09 pm

I took that misspelling the same way. Vodka is so demanding. He’s braised my britches on occasion, he’s been like that since he came out of rehab. I liked the old Vodka better.

Vodka
Vodka
  Anonymous (EC)
November 4, 2017 4:51 pm

I was total dick-head towards Maggie. I apologize. I’m prone to hyperbole. She’s certainly not stupid. When I reread her comment I realized she was not attacking me, but defending Uncola. That is admirable.

A softer, gentler Vodka will follow. Especially with the gals.

I will still braise EC’s britches on occasion.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous (EC)
November 4, 2017 7:05 pm

Well, Vodka has proven chivalry is NOT dead. Now, you will HAVE to be a kindler, gentler hombre lest you appear to be a dullard.

Is okay, Vodka. I do veer into silliness and sometimes I careen wildly into inane, especially when trying to be funny.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 10:10 pm

Maggie, I had to be polite and stay off the internet. We are with friends. Went to Cape G today.
Will be in Saint Genevieve all day Saturday, though.
I’ll try to check in later if you think you might make it there.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 10:14 pm

Maggie, I don’t know which is funnier, big bag O’ stupid or Mornoc Mary!

Not Sure
Not Sure
November 2, 2017 8:43 am

All hair splitting aside, the gist of the article rings true, as I have witnessed in my conversations with folks addicted to the media. Addicted? Yes, as some truths escape the confines and are unwittingly revealed that bring into question the official narrative, the junkies will become uncomfortable and spend more time on the media outlet du jour to become lulled into the opium like unreality of what they want to be the truth. In some conversations with the unfortunates, there will always be the background noise of some talking head on the TV offering another hit of somma to calm the uncertainty rising up in their consciousness. Unfortunately, there is no cure, except maybe a grid down scenario; but the I imagine the bewilderment and confusion of those going cold turkey will too hard to watch. Anyway I’ll probably be too busy with other things to care.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  Not Sure
November 2, 2017 12:34 pm

That’s “soma”.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  A. R. Wasem
November 2, 2017 12:59 pm

Without the book beside me, I was torn between somma and soma, as usual, I guessed wrong.

Thanks!

Stubb
Stubb
  Not Sure
November 2, 2017 1:14 pm

It could have been called somma because everyone wanted somma mmore.

Maggie
Maggie
  Not Sure
November 2, 2017 2:07 pm

Soma was what was given to folks in A Brave New World.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 8:11 am

https://www.drugs.com/soma.html

I was surprised to see there really IS a drug called Soma and it is actually addictive. Huxley was on to something.

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2017 9:07 am

” ..they would debate using opposing facts;”

I can hardly believe you’re mentioning “facts” and conspiracy in the same sentence. They’re practically in opposition …. conspiracy facts = oxymoron.

If you truly had indisputable verifiable facts directly applicable to the event …. there would be no conspiracy, or even a need for one. Think about it.

What you have are ancillary facts, coincidences, inconsistencies in the official version, assumptions, conjecture, and really a whole bunch of other stuff which causes a person to think — “I don’t believe the official story!” —- which is the very genesis of every conspiracy.

And since when do “facts” settle debates? Not often.

Me: “Fuck you! I have facts on my side!!!”
You: “Blow me! I have facts on my side!!!!!”

You have your facts, I have my facts, and never the twain shall meet. Facts are fodder for fukfests. Rarely does a “winner” emerge.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 9:39 am

Not necessarily true. It is a fact that thousands of scientists, engineers, mathematicians, etc. worked towards a goal of putting a man on the Moon. Those facts coupled with the claim by the ones who could actually ‘know’ doesn’t mean it happened.

There are just as many facts on the side of progressive ideologies as there are in opposition to them, the real issue is what is best for humans and what is best for you may not be best for me so the only determining factor as to policies is who wields more power and who is willing to do whatever is necessary to implement their vision.

Good people can do bad things for the right reasons- killing someone is bad, but if they are a threat to the lives of your loved ones, well… And bad people can do good things for the wrong reasons- see that the poor have access to food and shelter in order to get them to vote for politicians that don’t really care about them at all.

It’s complicated, this whole life thing.

Ben Dare
Ben Dare
  hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2017 10:30 am

“If you truly had indisputable verifiable facts directly applicable to the event …. there would be no conspiracy, or even a need for one.”

This would be true if the ones reporting on the event did not have an agenda. But they do so we have to read between the lines.

nkit
nkit
  hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2017 3:07 pm

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I’m pretty certain that we went to the moon. That’s how we found out that it is flat.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  nkit
November 2, 2017 6:54 pm

Those clamshell boots are a dead giveaway that the first man on the moon was Black.

Anonymous (EC)
Anonymous (EC)
  Anonymous
November 3, 2017 2:17 pm

On a serious note, given that the moon has no atmosphere, wouldn’t it require more than velcro to contain the pressure in the pressurized suit. If aircraft are pressurized, wouldn’t these folks need to have pressurized suits once they exited the moon unit?

DRUD
DRUD
  Anonymous (EC)
November 3, 2017 2:58 pm

Of course it was pressurized and no, it was not just velcro holding air in. Velcro for outer layer only.

By this post, are you suggesting that all space walks ever have also been faked? Are you also suggesting that all NASA engineers are complete morons?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  DRUD
November 3, 2017 10:35 pm

They brought back a shit ton of moon rocks. The surface of the moon there looks barren (devoid) of rocks.

Hammer's Thor
Hammer's Thor
  Anonymous (EC)
November 3, 2017 5:11 pm

No, we did not go to the moon. In fact, we never even sailed across the Atlantic ocean to settle here in North America, because everyone knows the world is flat and we would have sailed off the edge. In fact, we did not even build boats, because everyone knows that we did not even evolve from single-celled amoebas because that certainly could not happen. In fact, we are truly just amoebas imagining that we are here, using 21’st century technology, fighting online about God-knows-what. In fact, we are not even amoebas because that would be construed as life, and as we all know, life it too complex to just happen out of nothing, therefore we are just inorganic space dust that has no purpose and no will and no soul. Clearly, none of this even exists… it’s all just a conspiracy.

Therefore, we most certainly did not land on the moon. Duh.

nkit
nkit
  Anonymous
November 3, 2017 3:14 pm

That is actually the boot of Buzz Aldrin..

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  hardscrabble farmer
November 3, 2017 2:42 pm

Or else it’s based upon an objective reality and is uncomplicated so that, e.g., there are no “facts” “on the side of” “progressive” (i.e., totalitarian) ideologies. For another example – for a supposedly “intelligent” individual your disbelief in the Moon Landings is astonishing; we can actually see real-time images from the Hubble Space Telescope of the lunar lander modules still in place on the Moon’s surface. For yet another example “killing” is simply a value-neutral act; “murder” is the issue. I could continue but find it unnecessary. Your comment re “policies” and “power” says it all.

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
November 4, 2017 12:49 pm

“…so the only determining factor as to policies is who wields more power and who is willing to do whatever is necessary to implement their vision.”

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory’,” Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t- till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!'”

“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master-that’s all.”

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. “They’ve a temper some of them- particularly verbs: they’re the proudest- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs- however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”

Through the Looking Glass, Ch. VI

Words are “magic.” Magic symbols. Totems. Tokem if you got ‘em. ‘In the beginning was the word….’

Know the premise beginning in kiddie debate teams across the “civilized” world? Argue one side, & go for the jugular. Then, argue the other side, & go for the jugular. Truth, competing with “winning”? No contest. Send lawyers, guns, & money.

And no matter how many times the beguilers are amputated, & served poison mushrooms, there are countless in queue waiting to “move up.” Survivorship bias•tupid is strong.

I don’t think it’s complicated. It’s just slap-dash biology; poor “design.” Human condition is what it is. Was. Will be. And that conditional, competing with “the singularity?” No contest. The compulsion will not be denied, until it is extinguished. All king’s horsemen will be in pieces, too. When you believe in things that you don’t understand, then you suffer, cause suffering, superstition-symbols ain’t the way…except that it is.

Yet another remake…

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  i forget
November 4, 2017 4:20 pm

forgetful, You remind me of the poor Indian who tried to correct the word an English woman had used. She imperiously stated that she was English and therefore however she spoke was correct.

i forget
i forget
  EL Coyote
November 4, 2017 4:37 pm

EC, I was reminding of Lewis Carroll’s reminding about words. If I remind you of Lewis Carroll, that’s cool.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  i forget
November 4, 2017 4:46 pm

You should comment more, perhaps together we can drown out that abuser of words, KeisterSauced.

i forget
i forget
  EL Coyote
November 4, 2017 5:28 pm

I know who Keyser Söze is, now that he’s uncloseted himself (with a little help from his friends). But I have no idea who KeisterSauced is.

BB
BB
November 2, 2017 9:22 am

Indent Service ,you have a ” brand new sister ” that you have already ruined with your ideas of how this world should turn .You might as well go ahead tell her the story of getting sucked up in a spaceship by aliens.How it wasn’t your fault ,how you fought within an​ inch of your life but ” they ” still sodomized you.

Uncola
Uncola
November 2, 2017 9:24 am

@ Stucky – I write these pieces to test ideas and generate discussion. I also write them to examine my own positions and, to an extent, blow off some steam, so to speak.

This piece was absolutely not written with people like you in mind; that is, those who are awake and still, to a point, accepting of official narratives like the MOON and 911. Furthermore, if you read between the lines, you will see the word “we” is used at the end. That includes me (regarding Trump or whatever).

For some of my articles I have been trying to obtain a broader appeal, as opposed to solely “preaching to the choir” in a red-pilled echo-chamber. Although the Prisons of Pain/Pleasure piece on Orwell & Huxley remains a bona fide gift that keeps on giving to my blog (now seemingly growing via search engine hits) – my previous “Beast” piece from last week has already grown my e-mail distribution by 15% and had performed better on Facebook and Twitter than any other piece to date.

I’m just trying to cover the basics in the hopes of converting some blue-pilled, blue-staters, if that is even possible. Heir Stuckmeister is not (totally) in that category. ?

Maybe the next one will be more to your liking. Stand by…

Stucky
Stucky
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 10:49 am

Hey, hey, now! I never said I didn’t like your article.

I can disagree with portions of it, and still enjoy it … which I did on both counts.

Maggie
Maggie
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 2:15 pm

Underoos, I think most of us here appreciate being challenged in our positions. The rest don’t stick around. I knew you were a keeper, although in my eager quest for former military wimenz, I was wrong on susieq. Sigh.

It happens.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 2, 2017 9:31 am

Great article and the synchronicity with the Zman piece this morning makes it all the more interesting.

Let’s be honest about another important factor as pointed out by Diogenes (great tag line, btw) and Not Sure; the vast majority of people simply haven’t got the ability, nor the interest and are being intentionally distracted or dumbed-down at the same time. That doesn’t leave a whole lot of folks who are ever going to figure out even a few of the bigger pictures. The remainder capable of the level of curiosity and the time and resources to pursue those truths reduce the number substantially. Now take out the ones who make that list that benefit from the deception or who have a stake in maintaining the status quo and you’re down to a couple of hundred thousand at the very best. Out of billions.

Sometimes you just have to step back a few paces and see what you can do to effect whatever positive effect you can have to resist the natural flow of human malfeasance and duplicity. Then you do that as best as you are able.

Pablo C.
Pablo C.
November 2, 2017 10:09 am

This is another one of those “was the comments better than the posts” and in this case, I am voting for the comments.

It is impossible to open someones mind, with only words.
let that sink in.
If your mind is open, then words will be allowed to enter, and new ideas are a welcome mat.

I have finished trying to get others to “read between the lines”.
Some people are just prefer to wear pajamas.

Pajama people, boy they make you crazy…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Pablo C.
November 2, 2017 11:22 am

“It is impossible to open someones mind, with only words.”
YoBo’s is slammed shut.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Pablo C.
November 2, 2017 12:32 pm

Great Zappa Song. The lead in that tune is to die for.

Maggie
Maggie
  Pablo C.
November 2, 2017 2:18 pm

Pablo, do you know my friend Alejandro?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 2:31 pm

Let him go, Magita. We all have that high school crush we can’t forget. They all end up in the gutter and you realize you were lucky to lose them.

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
November 2, 2017 10:40 am

Regarding conspiracies:
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.
Carl Sagan

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
November 2, 2017 11:51 am

It too hard to type on a phone. So no long, well thought out reply will be forthcoming.

I will say that I love Uncola’s Cliche series! I hope there are more.

Does America deserve to die? I wonder that all the time.

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2017 11:58 am

Maybe Uncola can do a follow up QOTD —- “Why are conspiracy minded people SUCH FUCKING ASSHOLES?”

It’s true. It’s a fact. Woe to those who ever question their conspiracy, no matter how minor, no matter how innocent the questioning.

People here who are normally decent and nice and intelligent … turn into asshole, douchebag, snowflake fucken retards of the Zero Hedge kind. Insufferable. If I were forced into giving one thing I can’t stand about TBP, it would be you dipshit conspiracy nuts.

Stick that in your pipe and shove it up your ass.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 12:06 pm

Close Encounters of the Zero Hedge Kind.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 12:41 pm

It would appear that you’re not familiar with Quigley’s writing. To find evidence of actual conspiracies it is only necessary to follow the financial breadcrumbs.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 12:42 pm

Too much EGO involved in your becoming invested in the government line. Sandy Hook and the Las Vegas incident where FEMA drills. Put that in you pipe and smoke it. Also, I haven’t seen you questioning or disproving the points put out by “conspiracy nuts”, ( A term created by government agents to slander anyone who questions the government bullshit line). I just see call it bullshit, and then tell the person to perform a sexual act that your wife won’t do.

Dance Macabre Group,
Diogenes

Stucky
Stucky
  Diogenes
November 2, 2017 1:12 pm

“Also, I haven’t seen you questioning or disproving the points put out by “conspiracy nuts”,”

I am SO glad you brought that up. It’s a despicable thing about you types that I forgot to mention.

IT’S NOT MY JOB TO DISPROVE YOUR SHIT!!

Your arrogance and sense of entitlement is breathless to behold. You people throw whatever shit you want out there … and EXPECT others to prove you wrong?? Why, why, why the fuck is it MY job? Why should I be led on one wild ass goose chase after another? You got it all backwards you dyslexic dweeb. We owe you nothing. You owe us everything.

And then when a person like me doesn’t want to play your silly assed mindfuk games, you puff out your chests and proclaim –“Aha! He’s got nothing! We won!” Retards who suddenly thing they qualify for Mensa.

Get the fuck outta here and perform an oral function with an ill donkey’s reproductive organ.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 1:31 pm

Thanks for proving my point!

Stucky
Stucky
  Diogenes
November 2, 2017 1:52 pm

You had a point??? Surprising.

Are you referring to — “EGO … invested in government line”. That’s not a point. It’s an unsubstantiated comment.

But, I thank you, again, sincerely. And I mean it. You reminded me for another despicable thing about Conspiracy Nutters. That is …

…. if I don’t want to participate, for whatever reason, you people scream “BRAINWASHED GOVERNMENT DRONE!!”

If you can’t see how many “rules” of logic and common sense this breaks, then there is no help for your types. It is as already stated several times above, a name-calling debate-ending tactic. Again, you all feel sooooo proud that YOU are not a government stooge.

If you’re truly honest with yourself, you’ll quickly see that it’s the Nutters who have the bigger EGO problem.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 2:09 pm

“Again, you all feel sooooo proud that YOU are not a government stooge.”

ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!!!

Uncola
Uncola
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 1:38 pm

I appreciate Stuck’s honesty regarding his perspectives. This is the kind of discussion that needs to take place. Most definitely, before this pajama boy gets hurt:

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Stucky
Stucky
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 1:53 pm

Gotta get this bitch to 100 before nightfall!

Uncola
Uncola
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 2:07 pm

youdaman Stuck.

For some reason the pajama boy photo did not post above? Here it is:

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Maggie
Maggie
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 2:30 pm

Who wants to see that TWICE????

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 3:53 pm

It was your second warning.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Diogenes
November 2, 2017 7:40 pm

“Sandy Hook and the Las Vegas incident where FEMA drills.”
————
There were also “drills” on 9/11 (NORAD) and the Boston Marathon. And a DoD EMP drill coming on Nov. 4-6.

Hammer's Thor
Hammer's Thor
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 5:57 pm

>>>People here who are normally decent and nice and intelligent … turn into asshole, douchebag, snowflake fucken retards of the Zero Hedge kind. Insufferable. If I were forced into giving one thing I can’t stand about TBP, it would be you dipshit conspiracy nuts.

Stick that in your pipe and shove it up your ass.<<<

Too big. Won't fit.

ubercynic
ubercynic
November 2, 2017 1:27 pm

So there are no conspiracies, huh? The Official Story is always the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? That’s even more ludicrous than the ruling elite are actually reptilian space aliens in disguise, or the moon landings were faked, or government agents infiltrate internet forums to discredit critics and stifle dissent, or . . . uh, wait . . . scratch that last one.

. . . “conspiracy nuts”, ( A term created by government agents to slander anyone who questions the government bullshit line).
DAMN straight!

Stucky
Stucky
  ubercynic
November 2, 2017 2:07 pm

Either you are confused, or I am.

Official Story = 9-11 was an outside job.
*************** TRUTH ******************
Conspiracy = 9-11 was an inside job.

If I reject the Official Story, is a Conspiracy my only option?

If I reject Conspiracy, am I forced to believe the Official Story?

Can I reject both? I sure can! Can I accept both? I sure can! Because that elusive truth, which BOTH sides seek, is somewhere in the middle.

Much of the time, neither side wants to admit that. Both sides think only they know the real truth. Which it nonsense, because neither side can/will ever have access to all the data needed to arrive at truth.

card802
card802
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 3:27 pm

Pretty much the truth right there.

ubercynic
ubercynic
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 3:59 pm

Sorry, Stucky, but in this particular instance, you’re the one who’s confused – big time.

PS: For those who don’t bother to click the link, it begins: By the plain, honest dictionary definition of the word, 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Stucky
Stucky
  ubercynic
November 2, 2017 5:30 pm

You accusin’ me, Big Chief Wampum, of speak um with fork ed tongue? Well, are ya punk?

Jeebus! A girl can change her mind!

ubercynic
ubercynic
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 1:25 am

I take that as your charmingly idiosyncratic manner of saying I resign. 😉

i forget
i forget
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 2:27 pm

“It should be noted that Krause included the Nordic labyrinths in his sphere of investigation, thereby giving the problem a universal significance which – as we shall show – is of great importance to the history of art also. Certain labarynthine passages described in Icelandic saga as animal-traps are called Troy towns or Troy castles in England & Scandinavia. ‘The name Trojaburg (Scandinavian Trojin, Trojeborg, Troborg; English Troy-town or Walls of Troy; Welsh Caer Droida) has been given in northern Europe since ancient times to mazes (labyrinths) whose winding paths are closed with small or large stones or are cut out of the turf.’ These antiquities which are described as prehistoric by most researchers & have often been regarded as children’s playgrounds, seemed to have served for labyrinth dances similar to those reported from Crete & Delos. This labyrinth dance was called Troa & Troja, like the equestrian display dedicated to the goddess Spring. In the attempt to explain philologically the meaning of the Germanic word Troie, which should be read in extenso, Krause arrives at some extremely suggestive conclusions, of which we adduce here only those bearing on our problem. From the general use of the word “Troie” for castle, jerkin, & dance, he deduces a root idea of circumvallation, wrapping around, revolving. This is the root meaning that Klausen also gives to the Latin words: Troja (in ludus Trojae), trua, & trulla (stirring spoon & stirring pan); & even to troia in the sense of “sow” (Italian troja, French truie), referring in the last case to the animal’s circling round & round – that is, writhing in its birth-pangs. In Greek the kindred words beginning with “tro” are still more frequent, as for instance: trochos (circle, race-course, wheel, ring-wall, snake-ring); trochmalos, the stone boundary mark of a field; troullose, the cupola; Trophonios, master of circular buildings. Krause seems to assume “that (as has been shown to be probable in Kuhn’s Journal, Vol. 7) all these expressions (including Scandinavian tro, English true, German treu, Old Prussian druwis, German Glaube, Lithuanian drutas, German stark, & others) go back to an ancient Sanskrit word still in existence: dhruwa (from dhar, to hold), which means firm, reliable, trustworthy, & generally something permanent.” Now, as the root tro, troi, tru has taken on the meaning of turning, dallying, revolving, dancing, in Germanic, Celtic, Latin, & Greek, & Troi & Troyer also mean “dance” in Old Germanic, it is easy to imagine, in view of the ground-plan & use of the Troy-towns, that the English-Scandinavian expression Troy castle & Tojeborg, might be translated as round castle or dance-castle, even perhaps as crazy castle, since the conception of turning (Old German drajan, Gothic traian, Celtic troian, Middle English throwen – cf. modern English throe, German kreisen) melts easily into that of distorting, entangling, leading astray, & even bewitching. Then, too, the Roman priests of Mars (the Salii) seem to have called the labyrinthine sword-dance which they executed in Spring (March) Troa or Troja after the old folk-songs to which they were sung. This forms an interesting parallel to the Geranos dance in Crete & Delos which commemorated the obscure windings of the labyrinth – & does not Homer tell of the dancing-place made by Daedalus & the choral dance of Knossos?” ~ Otto Rank, “Art & Artist”

Sales 101: find the emotional buttons, push them, then supply the words justifying the predisposition, for the buyer to regurgitate later. Truth? Few are that curious. Or honest.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  i forget
November 4, 2017 4:49 pm

Few will read that fuckin’ wall of text.

i forget
i forget
  Rdawg
November 4, 2017 5:40 pm

Dawg…INTJ ghost in the machine reverse engineer here. See the post about editors. I guess you’d not be inclined to read either version of Wolfe’s masterpiece, as either are probably just text walls in your estimation…& if you climb a wall, you might fall, & who’d put you back together again, eh? Which is all fine by me. But, see my post about editors. That includes wannabe’s.

Just this morning was a discussion. A young man in the family had an opportunity to, possibly, manage engineers. He decided better to do more engineering before thinking about managing them. Smart. To turn wrenches on gearhead types, if you’re not already a sales psych adept, takes, at the least, apprenticeship.

I have sold to dawgs. But am retired. Done dawgin’. But our Aussie shepherd – & us – were sold almost instantly upon meeting. That’s one smart dog. Some will, some won’t, so what – next.

Perspective. Like Wilde. “Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about.” Life is the territory. Not wordmaps. Yeah, it is paradoxical.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  i forget
November 4, 2017 5:50 pm

If I want to read part or all of a book, I’ll do so.

If I want to watch part or all of a movie, I’ll do so.

I come to read people’s original opinions and thoughts; not the cut-and-paste works of others.

But that’s just me. Keep c and p-ing if it floats yer boat. Just know that few will slog through it.

i forget
i forget
  Rdawg
November 4, 2017 6:36 pm

I knew that before I “met” you, dawg. Trial & error sloggers just aren’t all that common. Rare too, in my dealings, were the engineers interested in original opinions & thoughts, but denigration of those by e-types isn’t rare at all. Anal retentiveness + (often) social awkwardness + (usually) above average IQ is often a catch-22. Thing is, where, or who, the originals come from is un-litmus.

And the punchline – that I appreciate you setting up – is that there are few original opinions\thoughts. There is a whole bunch of borrowed material, to which embroideries are sometimes attached, & some giants, upon whose shoulders others – some big themselves, some not – sit. Mostly, tho, it’s choirs & echo chambers, rules & regs, SOP(orific) manuals.

It’s ok with me if I bore you, but I’d rather not bore myself – whether that’s ok with you, or not.

Remember Masterblaster?

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Rdawg
November 4, 2017 7:01 pm

Denigrate might be a bit strong.

What you yourself write, I usually at least try to get through even though I often find it over-wrought and opaque.

I skip the lengthy excerpts. Not just you though.

Agree that there is really not much original under the sun.

Never saw the original Mad Max movie or the sequel. Maybe I will see the real life version some day, but I hope not.

i forget
i forget
  Rdawg
November 4, 2017 7:56 pm

Well, I’ve written a lot of words, read a lot of words, spoken a lot of words, heard a lot of words…& I followed all the word-rules, back when necessary, to get the grades, or ran ‘em through Flesch-Kincaide (my own internal version) to help get the sales. What if I just stopped quote-enclosing & attributing? Then they’d all be “my” words. haha.

I play with words. They used to play me. But then most are raised\played, lower case, to the words. I call bs on that. Suffer unto me the grooming & seduction of the little children, until the habituation is so embedded most spend lives with mattresses strapped to backs…or fronts. And don’t even feel it, know it, want to discuss it. Questioning wordy-mattress•plints-become-infrastructure becomes sacrilegious, apostasy, deviant (probably the DSM has a category of pathology describing this, & the drugs used to treat it), offensive, scary…do not take away illusions of solidity, strength, structural integrity.

Reading prose authors, & poets, who “broke” the rules (what rules, really?) clarified for me that training wheels are meant to be removed…if possible.

Reading Rank’s dissection of word-power was unexpected, but gratifying, as it meats the bones of my own observations & suspicions. I take the bits of glint, pocket them, wherever found. The history of “true,” in this instance, is shiny stuff, & not fool’s gold, either. Posting it was relevant to thread, but I’d transcribed it already, as relevant to my interests.

If Mad Max is taken allegorically, maybe you’ve already seen the real life version. I have. And in the real life version, Mel doesn’t win every time. In fact….

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 2, 2017 4:16 pm

Anytime somebody commits a premeditated crime, part of the charges is conspiracy.
What exactly is your point, uber?

ubercynic
ubercynic
  Anonymous
November 2, 2017 5:25 pm

Click the link – it’s only about a hundred words – and if you can’t find the point in the first sixty or so, I can only suggest looking on the top of your head.

Stucky
Stucky
  ubercynic
November 2, 2017 5:34 pm

25 moar to 100 !

100 comments.

100 down votes at me.

You got till 9Pm, then I’m coming after all yer lazy asses. And I don’t fuck around.

Stucky
Stucky
November 2, 2017 6:06 pm

Anybody know anything about the new Fed Chair ol’ Trumpy-poo wants?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
November 2, 2017 6:41 pm

The bankers love him.

Hammer's Thor
Hammer's Thor
November 2, 2017 6:13 pm

Several good points here already. Good article by Uncola, yet a very valid point by Stucky (he says grudgingly) regarding this:

>>>“Whenever anyone uses the term conspiracy theory or calls someone a conspiracy theorist in any debate, they are, in most instances, revealing their own contempt prior to investigation.”

False!<<<
I agree this is false because I think most people, esp. those who peruse sites like this that are outside the corporate media are truly seeking information and knowledge, that we understand we won't find on the typical channels. And we are finding it. Some of it is valid, some not, and I addressed this in an exchange with Stucky last week about finding ANY information sources that can be consistently believed. The jury is still out on that one.

For example, when I look at infowars, sometimes I laugh, and sometimes I don't. Some of his material is quite verifiable, and other stuff is, I'm quite certain, dramatic hyperbole. But it is a source of information, we just have to go the extra mile to see if what we [think] rings true actually does.

And the people are getting Maggie's point about the media being lying whores: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/02/america-fights-back-million-cord-cutters-freak-out-cable-industry/

Regarding WTC 7, I'm with Stucky. It collapsed due to fire. Period. Anything else is just wishful fantasy (conspiracy theory?). A pretty good article from earlier this year (which everyone will say just proves that I believe the narrative and am a gullible gov't drone sob): http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

There is a lot of shit to believe out there about what our government does to us, how it lies to us (where IS the story for the Las Vegas massacre, and all the additional shooters, and the four witnesses/victims who have died since, two in a Mercedes that crashed into a fence and burst into flames… didn't Andrew Breitbart drive a Mercedes?) and so forth. But 911 was exactly what it was… a criminally gross dereliction of duty by certain hacks at the FBI to put the puzzle pieces together (all of which were plainly available to them and anyone who was paying attention) and prevent the attack.

Regarding Uncola's writing, I challenge anyone to find ANY writing that is perfect. The fact that he takes the time to pen his thoughts like he does elevates him WAY ABOVE us keyboard warriors.

Does America deserve to die? No. The corrupt, swampy commies in DC, along with their lemming followers, muslim apologist antifa qwin-gender sycophants and Hillary Clinton deserve to die.

I personally enjoy my red pill echo chamber. It reminds me of how great my voice sounds when I sing in the shower…

Uncola
Uncola
  Hammer's Thor
November 2, 2017 8:48 pm

Regarding Uncola’s writing, I challenge anyone to find ANY writing that is perfect.

Was it just too many commas on this one? Or something else?

I will say this was a different piece from the start. I had the cliche in my mind all day. It started earlier with the ISIS truck in NY and then I started thinking about the shooting in Vegas. Then I thought about ideas in cages, and patterns formed by our own perspectives. So last night around 8:30 pm I searched for photos FIRST (not my normal modus operandi) and spent the next hour messing around with the photos and then placing them in order by gut feel. I took a break. Went to bed around 10:30 pm. THEN I got back out of bed and wrote the piece around the photos. 1,200 words. No sweat. It felt cathartic. I posted it around 1:30 – 2 AM.

I know this is a tough crowd so I read and reread. I thought the punctuation and grammar were correct, although I will concede to a pronounced predilection for commas and semi-colons. Is that what was off-putting for some readers on this one? Or something else? The premise? The assumptions? The flow? The cadence? Just curious.

Any sincere feedback from anyone will be gratefully considered. Thank you in advance.

Ray
Ray
  Uncola
November 2, 2017 10:11 pm

When Hammer Thor said this was false

>>>“Whenever anyone uses the term conspiracy theory or calls someone a conspiracy theorist in any debate, they are, in most instances, revealing their own contempt prior to investigation.”

The qualifier in that sentence is “in most instances”. It seems very accurate to me based on my own experiences. Just sayin.

Vodka
Vodka
  Uncola
November 3, 2017 4:24 am

It was a good piece of writing. The ‘too many commas’ kept it from being even better. I apologize if my earlier comment seemed overly critical.

My mom, an editor, always said that my writing was infected with dash-itis. The-bitch.

i forget
i forget
  Vodka
November 4, 2017 3:02 pm

Maxwell Perkins was a great editor. Thomas Wolfe was a great novelist. But editors are like David Geffen. And the creative talents are like Don Henley. Hotel California was “too long” (to pitch & sell). Look Homeward Angel was too long (to pitch & sell). The business side has experience taking not so good stuff – in terms of mass market appeal – slice•dice•editing it, & ringing cash registers. Eventually, if not sooner, everything is “not so good stuff” from get-go. When your only tool is a surgeon’s saw, civil war battlefields are all you can see\do….

*The Eagles refused to budge, tune was “as is” or not at all. Perkins chopped 60K words out of Wolfe’s manuscript. Eventually, the uncut version, O Lost, hit the market, & it is the best version.

Stucky
Stucky
  Uncola
November 3, 2017 6:05 am

‘Was it just too many commas on this one? Or something else?”

FUCK, COMMAS!!

I really NEVER know where to stick those worthless little motherfuckers!! Honestly.

I think SATAN invented them, just, to, fuck, with, us.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 10:24 am

Grammarly will tell you. It’ pretty effective that way.

ubercynic
ubercynic
  Hammer's Thor
November 3, 2017 1:52 am

A pretty good article [P.M. / WTC7] from earlier this year . . .

TL;DR version: If it looks like a duck and has feathers like a duck and waddles like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a lawnmower.

Uncola: Good job on the OP article, and the eyeball pic is WAY damn cool.

Stucky
Stucky
  Hammer's Thor
November 3, 2017 6:00 am

“a very valid point by Stucky (he says grudgingly)”

Agreeing with me on this subject is probably worse than getting an enema and root canal … at the same time.

Surprised you didn’t get 50 thumbs down.

Still, agreeing with me, The Fountain Of Wisdom on such things, couldn’t have been THAT bad.

I hereby elevate your status here as Old, Magnificent and Great (OMG)!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 2, 2017 6:37 pm

hammer in the shower:

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 2, 2017 6:53 pm

hammer is Stucky…….no doubt.

Maggie
Maggie
November 2, 2017 6:48 pm

I’ll do what I can, but I’m prepping deer camp for my cousin’s kid tomorrow. If they take* her, I will be adopting the twins. I will name them and I will hug them and squeeze them and call them Alejandro and George.

*take sounds so much better than kill, doesn’t it?

Also, am suggesting a theme song for Unpredictable’s next piece.

A.R.? My T-shirt says I wish Common Sense were more Common. Another coinky dink.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 6:57 pm

Retired, Extremely Dangerous

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
November 2, 2017 10:23 pm

The Acronym would be, of course Red. As in Rope.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 4:51 pm

SASQUATCH!

Hammer's Thor
Hammer's Thor
November 2, 2017 7:10 pm

“hammer in the shower:

https://youtu.be/6wz9CbuC–w

Nice find. That pretty much sums it up. I’m much better looking, of course. But the voice, yeah, nailed it.

“hammer is Stucky…….no doubt.”

Hey Stucky, is this true? Someone who is bravely posting as Mr. Anonymous says so. Is this a conspiracy theory, or fact?

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
November 2, 2017 7:58 pm

Another great article. I’ll post it on SLL.

Maggie
Maggie
November 2, 2017 8:09 pm

Did the count get to a hundred? Who won the prize?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 10:13 pm

That bipolar asshole, El Coyote.

Maggie
Maggie
  EL Coyote
November 2, 2017 10:28 pm

He is lucky I was busy getting the deer camp ready for a kid. In case you don’t realize it? I really do love making life fun and interesting for children. Of course, when they go off to college and realize life is harder than their mother suggested it might be, they resent it, but hey… at some point the little bird has to learn to fly on its own. Mother birds do NOT carry their little burdens. Only dogs and cats do that and that is for a limited time.

I am glad you stole the 100 prize, Me Hoe. If Stucky had taken it, I would have been suspicious of a conspiracy.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
November 2, 2017 8:29 pm

Doug, been to Wallmart recently? Believe me, I dig your shit…always read it with discerning eye. Most people, most motherfuckers…they want to be led, told what to do. It’s reassuring and it’s safe. Comfort doesn’t include reading between the lines. Media is successful because people follow, like sheep. Most sheeple want more shit, but they don’t want the ugly story of how the shit got to their door The ugly story will soon get a whole lot uglier, like a punch in the face, you’ll have their attention then, Doug, but it’ll be too late.

Stubb
Stubb
  Dennis Roe
November 3, 2017 2:49 pm

This is how I see Dennis Roe

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EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 2, 2017 9:09 pm

100, I win!

Alejandro
Alejandro
November 2, 2017 9:11 pm
Maggie
Maggie
November 2, 2017 10:53 pm

Ah, my old friend, I hoped you would visit. Do you remember the night you serenaded me with your instrument.

mi querido viejo amigo gracias

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 2, 2017 11:01 pm

I really am a funny gal. Just ask my husband. Well, don’t ask my husband. Take my word for it. Unapproachable? Me Hoe and I are bantering on your fine contribution. Like fishes out of water, we are.

EC… do you notice that the tadpole likes to be alliterative with his titles? I think that is a clue to who is true with you and who he knew when you and I went through to tame the shrew with one or two visits from Bea too.

Yeah… am not good at the alliterative shit when the wine is upon me. G’night Me Hoe.

DocKWill (expects getting slammed)
DocKWill (expects getting slammed)
November 2, 2017 11:46 pm

I’m going to jump in…
I will admit that I question everything I see these days. Does that make me a conspiracy person? Hell no….I just cannot trust, anymore what I’m being told. History could be a lie….yeah I tripped down the holocaust conspiracy rabbit hole….that was indeed a trip. Was it true? I don’t know – cuz I wasn’t there and I don’t speak German.
A LEO here told me once our local news only covers stories to get ratings and they twist the story…..I can’t explain that rabbit hole here but it was a HUGE case involving the death of a homeless person by cop. Who should I believe – the news or the LEO? Was he influenced by the Blue Brotherhood? Sure he was. No doubt.
I don’t have the time to go investigate every story I read. I wish I could. I am much less educated than you guys. People lie all the time about stuff. To further an agenda. I can never know their true agenda until said agenda produces the result “they” were looking for. Sounds like a conspiracy theory, right?
It seems to me that news/history is only about an agenda. Who’s agenda is my question. Who benefits from it? Does it affect me? Or is it a more global issue that will affect me later?
Even now I cannot tell…..it just goes on and on until I’m exhausted from trying to understand what the hell is going on.
Comments rule here! Keep ’em coming.
Now for that glass of wine I poured an hour ago…..

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 3, 2017 12:11 am

What the heck, is this wine night?
But to be fair, it’s dia de muertos part 2.
The first is dedicated to adults and the 2nd is dedicated to children.
I suppose that includes beloved pets.
If wine helps kindle the memories..

Stucky
Stucky
November 3, 2017 6:25 am

Uncola

115 comments, and counting. Very nice!

I reread all the comments. Let me clarify something.

In my own initial responses I capitalized “YOU”. This is regrettable because it appears — as one poster noted — that I am attacking … YOU!

I want you to know that this is NOT the case. I meant “YOU” in the sense of “conspiracy minded people in general” and not you specifically.

I really did enjoy the article.

I also generally meant what I said … I’m just not a yuge fan of conspiracies. At least I wasn’t just a this-is-a-great-article sounding board. Nice to have contrarian opinions, even if unpopular, if for no other reason than to stimulate discussion, …err, shitfests.

I’m rambling. Fuck. Anyway, please don’t take my bullshit as an attack on you. Thanks.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 2:25 pm

Uncola, I forgot to add:
P.S. I love you
You, you, you
You, you, you
I love you

Stucky
Stucky
November 3, 2017 6:54 am

Uncola

We have different opinions regarding Conspiracies. I have this idea ….

Suppose we are able to find another topic we disagree on. Then suppose we BOTH write an article supporting our views. Keep each article at around 1000 words. Then we submit it to Admin, and he can do a quick copy and paste to combine the articles … so people don’t have to go back and forth commenting (that would be too cumbersome and confusing).

It would be like a Pro/Con live debate article.

Just an idea. What do you think?

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 7:00 am

I gave you first thumbs up.and if Admin wants an ISO. x000 editor (I have no clue what any of the government process quality terms meant but it is on my resume that I am ISO x000 certified) to splice and edit he can send it to me. I am on a phone so do not judge my editing skill by thumb typing.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 7:57 am

That’s a terrific and gracious offer, Maggie! I’m sure Admin also appreciates it.

Nice little diddy of a poem! Rhymes just fine.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 8:22 am

I do apologize for never finishing my “Ode to Stucky” back in the spring. Losing my dog broke my heart. For some reason all the amateur psychoanalysts seem to think I am overwhelmed by grief regarding the loss of both mine and Nick’s parents in very sad ways and a relatively short time (3 years for all). I think they are probably right, but a good psychoanalyst is hard to find. And I’ll avoid the lewd joke about a hard one being even better to find.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 8:26 am

Are we at 200 or close? I’m off to walk and I’m afraid that coyote critter will sneak in here and steal another prize from me.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
November 3, 2017 8:38 am

Yeah, I was wondering what happened with that Ode. No big deal, I understand.

Stick around. By this afternoon I should be submitting a doozy of a QOTD … witch will offend Legions. Really.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 3, 2017 9:43 am

When my mother-in-law died, I was enraged by a crass remark by the other daughter-in-law and popped off an email that ended with me telling her that her name was Legion and that if I saw her face to face ever again, I would kick her ass without hesitation.

All the cousins laughed and laughed when her husband showed up at the funeral home AND the Cathedral AND the cemetery without her. Her husband mumbled something about back pain, but we all knew what kept her away. I had promised my Poppa Grooch I would kick her ass the next time I saw her. It made him laugh and tell me he loved me best. I miss him most.

Undemandable? even my best efforts at mindless banter won’t get this to 200. If you and Stucky come up with a topic and a list of (rough) points to debate, I really do have a flair/flare/flayer for word weaving Just ask me. (Don’t ask Vodka. He doesn’t appreciate my inanity quite yet. It is an acquired taste that many never develop. Meh… a couple billion people throwing stones might shut me up. Or, as Taleb might say, a Giant stone dropped on me would stop the noise.)

Uncola
Uncola
November 3, 2017 10:21 am

@ Stuck – I knew this piece was going to come off as sounding condescending and even arrogant given some of it’s premises and assumptions. But it really was written more for the Sheeple, some of who remain in my daily circle including one of whom I saw the other day wearing a “It’s MUELLER time!” T-shirt. No shit.

I felt honored by your shit-throwing on this post and seriously considered everything you wrote. This place is a process for me and more often than not I’m working things out myself; both by writing and by way of what comes back.

I did not take your protestations on this post personally (good alliteration, Mags?). As you have most likely gathered by now, I remain undeterred by personal attacks. It’s because of what Edward Murphy once so eloquently stated: “Karate men bruise on the inside”.

In closing, Stuck, when I read your post(s) regarding 100 comments by nightfall, I will admit to being skeptical. But ‘ya did it and I can’t argue with success.

And finally, I thought your words to I.S. were profoundly heartfelt above. I, too, has a sad for him.

Onward and Godspeed, my friend. Peace for now.

DRUD
DRUD
November 3, 2017 2:11 pm

Conspiracies exist…we know this. But too many assume conspiracy immediately upon hearing ANY news. The media is lying, it was crisis actors that hijacked holographic planes and crashed them into the moon, which itself is just an hologram cast onto the roof of our flat earth.

I commented late on some thread discussing the moon landing and here are some of the absolutely idiotic things I read there: 1)Space is 3500 degrees and 2)rockets can’t even fly through space. Do you see how any rational discussion evaporates almost immediately on these subjects.

Also, I posed the question there (too late for anyone to see) and I pose it again here. Let’s assume the Moon Landing was faked (making such assumptions is ALWAYS a good way to think critically).
Stanley Kubrick (to high level NASA conspirator): “Hol-eee shit. We pulled it off–I mean, I can’t believe we actually pulled it off. Godamm, people are stupid and I am gooood.”
NASA Spook: Yes. Now we have to fake it six more times.

I don’t know the truth with absolute certainty. I know the moon was orbited and that many times. So, I know the whole instant death beyond Van Allen belt argument holds no water. I know there are a lot of Moon landing was hoax arguments that also hold no water..and I know there are some that give me pause.

And, yes, I can admit that I have a personal desire for it to be true. My Uncle was lifelong friends with Neil Armstrong–who obviously would have had to lie to him and everyone else for decades.

Here they are in late 60’s:

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And again in 2004:

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DRUD
DRUD
November 3, 2017 2:52 pm

A pithier way to put it would be this:

The Moon Landing was obviously faked.

Oh..which one? There were six, you know.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  DRUD
November 3, 2017 5:37 pm

No there weren’t.

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Rdawg
Rdawg
  hardscrabble farmer
November 4, 2017 4:57 pm

Werner Von Braun shown in an exhibit.

So, if I have a photo of a dude walking among dinosaur re-creations at the Smithsonian, then dinosaurs are faked too right?

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 4, 2017 6:31 am

I’m sorry…butqui bono? Why fake 6?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
November 4, 2017 6:57 am

I have no idea, I try not to understand the motives of the pathologically inclined, only the actions.

That it was faked is certain, what drove them to do it will almost certainly remain shrouded in mystery.

DRUD
DRUD
  hardscrabble farmer
November 4, 2017 2:37 pm

A total cop out. You can attribute pathologic tendencies to literally hundreds of people you have never met but not speak a whispers of their motives. The question remains valid and unanswered.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  DRUD
November 4, 2017 3:06 pm

It most certainly was not a cop out.

Pathological is a term used to describe a specific behavior, i.e. compulsive gambling, chronic drug use, etc. It is observable, thus relevant.

Motivations can easily be concealed or falsely attributed and there are no means of definitive proof that what someone confesses to is truth or what the hide can be known.

I return to my original position that the motive behind the faking of the Moon landings is irrelevant, the criminality of stealing public resources by deliberately misleading the public is not.

They may have done it to help beat the USSR in the Cold War propaganda front or they may have just been greedy S.O.B.’s who saw an easy way to grift a buck. It may have been done for shits and giggles just so they have something to joke about at the Bohemian Grove soiree’. The motive doesn’t alter the act or the outcome, thus it has no real meaning.

Does that help?

DRUD
DRUD
  hardscrabble farmer
November 7, 2017 11:03 am

“Pathological is a term used to describe a specific behavior”

But you assume pathology to prove your assertion that said behavior occurred.
A circular argument if there ever was one.

So much of this is predicated on you making character judgments of people you have never met…I hold that motivations are a huge part of character. Furthermore, I see motives a critical evidence–as do all courts.

Stucky
Stucky
November 4, 2017 7:42 am

I believe we can get this bitch to 200 (!!) by tomorrow!

Let’s go people! Give Uncola some loooove!

At this juncture, it isn’t even necessary to stay on topic. Maybe Yo can post some Joo pics. Maggie, dead wabbits. An opportunity for El Coyote to post pics of the Beautiful Blond … naked. Llpoh ‘s dogs riping apart a wallabe. You get the idea ….

ubercynic
ubercynic
November 4, 2017 8:56 am

Sure, Stucky. No prob. I’ll even stay on topic: IMO, the whole ‘moon landing hoax’ notion is being deliberately promoted, wholly as a means of discrediting those who question the Official Stories which actually are bogus: Oh, you say 9/11 wasn’t done by Muslims? You don’t believe Oswald killed JFK? I suppose you think nobody really walked on the moon, either.

PS: I don’t entirely discount the idea that something happened and / or was found on the moon that they don’t want us to know about.

Stubb
Stubb
November 4, 2017 9:38 am

Climate change is based on real science and is 100% caused by man. But chemtrails are a conspiracy. Life begins at conception. Stanley Kubrick was involved in the moon landing but mainly to edit the actual footage from the Moon. The Jews are misunderstood because they are actually saving the world and most people are too blind to see it.

Stucky
Stucky
November 4, 2017 1:39 pm

#168

Gratuitous sexy ass pic.

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Stucky
Stucky
November 4, 2017 1:40 pm

#169

Typical rabbit on Maggie’s Farm

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Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 2:01 pm

I would never let my bunnies smoke cigarettes.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 2:40 pm

Shirley is due to have her kits this week. I need to get the nesting box in there with her.

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Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 2:46 pm

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My Nick took this photo of me a couple evenings ago. As you can clearly see, the moon is dancing around in the image, proving it is actually an optical illusion.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 3:38 pm

Hey, you look good from far away.

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JUST KIDDING!! you look great Lemme know when you wanna thump your Nick lol

Yeah, da goal is 200. Don’t think it’ll happen. No one is even popping in anymore. How do I know? Cuz my SEXY ASS pic above only has one up vote … and it’s mine.

Bunch of A.D.D. mofo’s here who can’t keep a conversation going longer than a day, or two.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 4:35 pm

Stuck, if you stare at the hooters for about 30 seconds, a moon begins to appear

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 4:49 pm

200, Maggie is a hottie!

Maggie
Maggie
  EL Coyote
November 4, 2017 4:52 pm

This picture inspired my husband to tell me she looks like the girl he married 25 years ago. I think this one is 200.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 4:54 pm

Shit. That was 199.

EDIT: THIS ONE IS 200.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 7:54 pm

I would totally let this guy breed my doe, Shirley.

Stucky
Stucky
November 4, 2017 1:43 pm

#170

Moochelle and Malia, Year One in the White House. Or, possibly, T4C.

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Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 2:29 pm

Stucky, are you trying to get this comment chain to 200? If so, let me help you out.

Heavy hopping hippo has her heredity hurry home holding histrionic humor.

When I was a child, I played the word games of children as directed by my teachers. I still like the word games.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 3:51 pm

“Heavy hopping hippo has her heredity hurry home holding histrionic humor.”

That’s actually quite good!

Here’s one of my favorites, ever. (I know you know it.)
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OK, here’s a word game; Q: What is the longest word in the English language?

Just so you know; it’s a joke. So, don’t be huntin and peckin through googland. I saw that joke in a Bazooka bubble gum wrapper, back when I was in grade school. I am NOT shitting. You remember words, I remember comics. Jeez.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 4:22 pm

I’m guessing… “language?”

I loved Bazooka Joe (https://newrepublic.com/article/110868/bazooka-joe-comics-pulled-bubble-gum-after-58-years).

Here’s a good question to ponder: What company made the bubble gum that was inside the package of baseball cards in the 60s? I LOVED that gum and, no kidding, would trade all the baseball cards (was it three or five) to my brother for a second stick of gum. It had a kind of licoricey flavor.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
November 5, 2017 5:26 am

Nope!

It’s “smiles”. Cuz there’s a “mile” between the first “s” and the last one! Get it? Hahaha.

The other one I specifically remember — I can even still see the picture frames in my mind — is: Q: “Bazooka Joe, why shouldn’t you tell a secret in a corn field?” A: “Too many ears!” Hardy har har.

You are absolutely correct about baseball-card gum. I also looooved that stuff.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 4:12 pm

The lovely T4C has not posted a selfie, per se (and this is the best way to use that phrase which means in itself) but she has used the opportunity presented by a pundit who posted a pic of a particularly pulchritudinous pooter to give us a peep at the prize posterior in her possession. Therefore, I protest, gorilla nuts, your crass attempt at humor at her expense.

Maggie
Maggie
  EL Coyote
November 4, 2017 4:25 pm

I figured you were lurking out there trying to steal the glory of posting #200. You are a sneaky, sneaky Me Hoe.

Stucky
Stucky
November 4, 2017 1:47 pm

#171

Cognitive Dissonance of Trump-eteers explained.

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I’m outta here!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Stucky
November 4, 2017 3:36 pm

This is not a defense of Donald Trump nor does it advocate support for any positions regarding the economy he may or may not take.

It is an explanation of the flawed logic above.

As a President he can change policies and sign new laws into effect that may indeed improve the economy. As a private business owner he had no such ability and laws that could have gone into effect that hampered his businesses and led to their failure would have limited his options or even caused his failure. Governments can do that and have, quite often.

It doesn’t matter if he went bankrupt before because he wasn’t President of the United States back then.

Not that I believe for one instant that he’s going to turn this Titanic economy around bigly, but I’ve been wrong before. It’s better to hope things work out rather than to sit around moaning about the worst possible outcome. Do you need reminding that it could have been Hillary Clinton down there in Mordor, going off in that fake stentorian tone of hers, in a $20K neon blue Lagerfeld Mao Suit.

*shudder*

Maggie
Maggie
  hardscrabble farmer
November 4, 2017 4:36 pm

#190. At least he is NOT Hillary.

Maggie
Maggie
November 4, 2017 2:54 pm

#178

I took this amazing photo of a doe a couple days ago. I even took a short video of her just standing there watching me as I rode past her on the quadrunner. I showed it to a friend and she said “You can’t possibly shoot that doe if she is so used to you she’ll just stand there.”

I can’t?

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Vodka
Vodka
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 5:39 pm

Maggie, this turned into a pretty good thread. Let’s root for 200. I left you an apology further up on an EC (anonymous) reply.

One last thought on commas: Mark Twain once said something to the effect that puncuation serves him, he does not serve punctuation. He also said that the difference between the right word, and ‘almost’ the right word was like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug. Or close to it. I’m going from memory.

Maggie
Maggie
  Vodka
November 4, 2017 8:03 pm

I like to quote Twain’s comment this way (and I’ve improved upon it as you will see):

The difference between the right word and almost the right word can be ILLUMINATED by the difference between lightning and a lightning bug. (Twain’s comment used “seen” instead of illuminated.) I think “illuminated” actually adds quite a bit and if he saw it, he would commend my editing. But if not, I wouldn’t argue with him… better to be thought a fool and you know the rest.

Vodka
Vodka
  Maggie
November 4, 2017 9:10 pm

Twain would surely go along with the “improved upon” quote just as you have stated it.

Uncola
Uncola
November 4, 2017 5:51 pm

On the road and just phone checking in. 67 (or 68?) Essays since August, 2016 and this was the first one to break 200 comments.

Waiter! Another round for one and all. Put in on my tab.

Cheers to triviality, frivolity, and the end of the world as we knew it

RiNS
RiNS
November 4, 2017 7:29 pm

Well you fuckers I am taking an airplane over the pond to Mamma Trump’s hometown in a couple of weeks and will use the flight to prove once and for all that the earth is flat.

Will have photo evidence as well….

Maggie
Maggie
  RiNS
November 4, 2017 8:06 pm

I am a last worder.

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Is it just me or did Jed Clampett sit for this poster image?

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Mary Christine
Mary Christine
November 4, 2017 9:42 pm

Sitting in a bar in Saint Whatever, Mo. .laughing at all you INTJ’s. My friends think I’m crazy. I’m not..right? Right? Hello?

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
November 4, 2017 10:34 pm

In St. Geneva, as in convention? LOL… Hello. We shall meet next trip. Yours or mine. Email me.

Stucky
Stucky
November 5, 2017 5:13 am

223 comments, and counting! (There’s that damned ’23’ again!)

You’re welcome, Uncola. (That’s assuming I played a small part in getting it there.)

And you didn’t even comment directly in my WWI-Maptorial. Go figure …

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